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Friday, 13 June 2008 10:18

(The Star) - How effectively judges can raise issues without fear during the Conference of Judges depends on who the Chief Justice is, several retired judges said.

They said the conference was an effective forum for issues to be brought up until the removal of Tun Salleh Abas as Lord President in 1988.

They said this in response to the question why several judges have, over the years, resorted to making shocking revelations or disturbing statements either in open court, in written judgments or public speeches.

The latest was that of High Court judge Datuk Ian Chin who said he felt threatened by a former prime minister after making two judgments.

He also claimed he was sent to a “boot camp” in 1997 designed to indoctrinate judges and judicial officers to put Government interest above anything else when considering a judgment.

“In the years of former lord presidents Tun Suffian (Hashim), Raja Azlan Shah (as he then was), Tun Salleh and even to a lesser extent Tun Hamid (Omar), nobody would have talked down to us,” said Court of Appeal judge Datuk V.C. George who retired in December 1995.

“They certainly would never have told us how to decide a case. We were able to raise issues without fear and even debate them vociferously at times.

“During and after the Tun Salleh debacle, we were never given the opportunity to talk about that.”

Datuk Visu Sinnadurai, who served as a High Court judge from 1992-1997, said that whoever held the post of CJ set the tenor, standards or behaviour for the rest of the judiciary.

“The CJ’s role is important because it is his responsibility to ensure the independence of the judiciary and that the rule of law is upheld at all times.”

Datuk Shaik Daud Ismail, who retired as Court of Appeal judge in June 2001, said: “Judges should be more open and should not be afraid to speak out even though it may hurt (another judge) because it is for the good of the judiciary,” he said.

Asked where judges should take their complaints, he said the Conference of Judges was the only place to go.

Another former judge expressed the hope that Justice Chin would not be asked to resign over his disclosures or if that were to happen, he would not lose his pension or medical benefits as experienced by former High Court judge Datuk Syed Ahmad Idid who had written an anonymous letter alleging improprieties in the judiciary in 1996.

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written by ONGJJJ, June 13, 2008 10:52:43
It has been an open secret what DrM did to the judiciary. So what is the PDRM or AG waiting for? Please prosecute!
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written by gctham, June 13, 2008 10:53:00
Malaysian judiciary is dead.
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written by cwy, June 13, 2008 10:57:44
It was said that Madhathir has certain kind of charisma that people tend to submit to his demand. It was also said he had some secrets to mantain youthfullness. No matter what, he is just a human being, drag him to court if he is wrong, for God's sake!
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written by Democrats, June 13, 2008 10:59:08
There's only one law in Malaysia - UMNOlaw.

There's only one form of social justice - NEP.

There's only one form of freedom - NONE.
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written by ultraman, June 13, 2008 11:15:53
Now the UGLY TRUTH IS OUT!!! THIS ZAID AND PAK LAH seemed to buat tak tahu and let it be.
They are rather funny. So those bastards are left scot free. What has Islam Hadhari fgot to do with such injustice?
According to RPK , the righteious Caliph , asked that his hands be chopped if he is not fair.
Here obviously there is such injustice and we are not asking that the andsof those fellas be chopped. But at leat they musy be tried and send them to jail if found guilty.

I am waiting for what those former judges and Miniister have to say. they may say that the judges here are lying.
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written by cble, June 13, 2008 11:33:09
Hakim Jaka dan gula Hacks tak perasankah bahawa kamulah yang banyak mendapat menfaat dari pemerintahan Tun.
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written by Mustapha Kamal, June 13, 2008 11:40:06
I laughed with the disclosure that Judges who didn't toe the line had to attend "Boot Camp" to correct their thinking ! Is this the same rationale behind our crony-enriching National Service ? To turn out a simpering mass of "Yes" men and women, leading to an even greater erosion of the creative thinking for which Malaysians were once famous for ? Shit to BN, that's all I'll say.
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written by Batista, June 13, 2008 12:18:34
Mustapha Kamal,
Any Boot Camp or even NS are made to create a COUNTRY loving brain. COUNTRY is not BN. BN is not COUNTRY. The concept of Boot Camp or NS is good, only sometimes the methodology was corrupted. Trust me, if PR reign power, you still need to do a kind of Boot Camp to boost Love Malaysia mentality, not Love PR mentality, please...
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written by mikewang, June 13, 2008 12:26:35
"Another former judge expressed the hope that Justice Chin would not be asked to resign over his disclosures or if that were to happen, he would not lose his pension or medical benefits as experienced by former High Court judge Datuk Syed Ahmad Idid who had written an anonymous letter alleging improprieties in the judiciary in 1996."

This is directed to all those idiots who questioned why Justice Chin did not disclose this earlier ......
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written by InEffective, June 13, 2008 13:07:48

Judges could be impaired for many reasons:
- no backbone
- corrupted, incentives, influenced
- under pressure, threatened, intimidation
- incompetent, incapable, no confidence
- biased / prejudiced (color, origin, race, religion, sex)
- overloaded

How do your ensure that judges can dispense justice fairly, un-prejudiced, un-biased, timely ?

Got rotan ?

Tan Sri InEffective...
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written by chin, June 13, 2008 15:02:25
Judges are expected to disclose any form of cohesion or influence to their judgement. How else would there be justise.

Where the truth or even complains are met with punishment, will there be justise?
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written by scwong, June 13, 2008 16:49:16
Good2, better set up an investigation on this baseless accusation.


smilies/grin.gif See what others interesting things would pop up. smilies/tongue.gif
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written by malsia1206, June 13, 2008 17:55:09
And do not ignore all the Judges elevated and promoted in the 2 East Malaysian states. There's more than meet the eyes at face value. The talk on the ground is someone is playing the usual politics and calling the shots. And this someone is not a politician. He dons the robes.
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written by rainmanpj, June 13, 2008 19:31:40

former High Court judge Datuk Syed Ahmad Idid who had written an anonymous letter alleging improprieties in the judiciary in 1996.


Would this most honest and honourary judge please speak up?.
TDM is not around anymore
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written by Lim Lim, June 13, 2008 19:34:03
ask any man or woman on the street,who does not regonise the fact that malaysia judiciary is 'dead' for a long long time??
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