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Scream about a 'one-Malaysia' by all means. Demand that all races be considered Malaysian and not Malays, Chinese and Indians, if that makes you happy. But make sure your actions match your words. And if you scream 'no compromise', then expect no compromise in return.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

I was at a party on Saturday night and one Chinese man who sat beside me commented that 'we Chinese are scared of PAS because we don't want Malaysia to be turned into Iran'. I then asked him what exactly is it like in Iran and he was at a loss for words. He could not reply to my question. I then asked him if he had ever gone to Iran and he shook his head. Had he even gone to Kota Bharu? No!

I then commented that if I see dark clouds in the sky and if I hear thunder, I can safely assume that it will rain. “Can I in turn ask you, what are the signs that gives you the impression PAS will turn Malaysia into Iran?” I asked this Chinese man. He muttered below his breath that 'this is just what we Chinese think'.

Sure, there must be a reason as to why Chinese think this way,” I replied. “What are the reasons?” He did not reply.

Okay,” I continued. “Why do the Chinese assume that Malaysia will turn into Iran (though this certain Chinese man had no clue as to what it was like in Iran). Why can't you instead assume that Malaysia will be turned into Turkey?”

Again, he did not respond. “Do you know that in Turkey they 'ban' the use of the tudung? One woman Member of Parliament was in fact told to leave the Parliament building when she entered Parliament wearing a tudung. That is even 'better' than Malaysia. In Malaysia, you choose whether to wear it or not. In Turkey, they forbid you from wearing it.”

The Chinese man shook his head and gave me a 'I did not know all that' look. He then 'closed the subject' by saying, “That is what the rural Chinese think. I am from the rural area. Maybe the Chinese in town think differently.” This was actually a no-answer answer but I thought I too would drop the subject because this certain Chinese man had no clue what he was talking about and merely expressed his views based on what he fantasised in his mind. In fact, many Chinese I have met share this same mentality. They make assumptions based on what they imagine to be the truth rather than based on what they have personally experienced. Most times it would be stories they pick up at coffee shops and restaurants related by so-called experts who not only have never visited a Muslim country but have never even been to Kelantan.

Another Chinese man who had been listening to the entire 'debate' stood up and, quite perturbed, said, “You people spend so much money flying all over the world but you never take the trouble to visit Kelantan to see the situation there for yourself. You believe all the government propaganda and yet you say that the mainstream newspapers can't be trusted and print lies.”

Chinese are quick to point out that this country practices racial discrimination and that Malays are racists. They refuse to wear a songkok because they argue that this tantamount to racial discrimination and they refuse to be forced to wear something that they do not wish to wear. Dressing should be voluntary, they will argue, not compulsory. And if the dressing is 'Malay', then certainly they will not want to be forced into wearing it.

When Chinese enter the Parliament building, even just as an observer, they will have to wear a proper suit and tie. A suit and tie is not Chinese dressing (nor Malay), but this appears to be no problem for the Chinese. A suit is not part of Chinese culture at all. It is Kwailo (Mat Salleh) culture. And the Chinese are being forced to wear something 'colonial' or western in Parliament. But never have the Chinese protested about being 'forced' to wear a suit and tie. The Chinese accept this as the mandatory dress code for entering Parliament. But if the suit happens to be Malay dressing or part of Malay culture, then the Chinese will protest like mad and will boycott Parliament until the mandatory dress code ruling is removed.

The bottom line is, the Chinese will protest only if the dress code is Malay. During APEC meetings, Chinese are made ('forced') to wear the costumes of the host country. But as long as it is Australian, New Zealand, Japanese, Vietnamese, Chinese, Thai, Filipino, etc., this poses no problem. Just don't force the Chinese to wear a 'Malay' outfit.

Are the Chinese opposed to being forced into a dress code and opposed to being forced to wear something against their will or are the Chinese just opposed to being forced to wear something 'Malay'? The issue appears to be that the Chinese are not anti-dress code but just anti-Malay dress code.

If you come to the National Press Club (NPC), whether as a guest or member, there is a dress code to observe there too. You can't wear slippers, shorts and slippers, which many of my Chinese friends like to wear. When they come to the NPC as my guest, I am forced to advice my Chinese friends to wear pants, a collared shirt and shoes. Many a time my guests came not properly attired and they were asked to leave. I had to profusely apologise to my guests and explain that the management is very strict about the dress code. It is quite embarrassing when I have to tell my guests to leave because they are not properly dressed. But they understand this and do not hold it against me. Some even go home to change their clothes and come back again.

One chap who came in shoes and pants but was wearing a T-shirt also faced the same problem. His only problem was the T-shirt though, so I asked him to buy a long-sleeve shirt from the club and that solved the problem. He was allowed to stay but the others had to leave because the club only sold shirts, not pants and shoes.

The shoes, pants and long-sleeve shirt is not Chinese. It is not Malay as well. But that is the dress code for the club so everyone complies without protest. No one argues about being 'forced' against their will to dress in a 'colonial' dressing. No one declares that they are boycotting the club because of the 'racist' dress code in spite of all of us having to look like black, brown and yellow Englishmen. However, I can assume, and I have good reason to assume so, that if the National Press Club dress code was a songkok, there would be many who will protest at being 'forced' to wear something that they do not wish to wear. But if the NPC changes that dress code to an American baseball cap then that would be accepted without protest though none of us are white Americans.

Yes, Malays are racists. Umno is racist as well. The Malaysian government is racist too. But the Chinese are no less guilty of being racists. Can I sum up by saying that all Malaysians, irrespective of race, are racists.

If Umno Melaka were to announce that there are ten datukships for sale at RM250,000 per datukship, 300 Chinese will rush forward and in ten minutes all ten will be sold. But datukships are a Malay feudal thing. A datuk has to pay homage to a Malay ruler. You will become the subject of that ruler. Isn't this undignified for a Chinese who now has to kowtow to a Malay just like how the Chinese had to do so in the old days when the British ruled part of China?

Then they receive the invitation cards to come to the palace -- or the governor's residence for states without rulers. And the invitation card stipulate the dress code. The Chinese recipients of these datukships will rush out and spend RM5,000 or so on a new suit so that they can go to the palace or governor's residence to accept their datukships. The dressing is actually very unique and they will proudly have their photograph taken and will hang this giant photograph on the wall so that everyone who comes to their house or office can see them dressed in these very weird clothes while receiving their datukships. And if they have to wear a songkok then they will wear a songkok. After all, what is a RM10 songkok compared to the RM250,000 datukship and RM5,000 monkey suit.

They are being 'forced' to pay RM250,000 for a Malay feudal datukship. They are being 'forced' to wear a 'colonial' Mat Salleh monkey suit to go receive their datukship. If they do not observe the dress code then they cannot go receive their RM250,000 datukship. But they regard it as 'observing' the dress code, not being 'forced' to wear something against their will. But if it is a songkok then it is 'forcing'.

How do you reconcile the mind and 'value system' of the Chinese? When does 'observing the mandatory dress code' become 'forcing'? Only when it involves the songkok?

The Chinese insist that we are all Malaysians. We must not be categorised as Malays, Chinese or Indians. We must be regarded as one race, a Malaysian race. But we still want to be Chinese and not 'forced' into a common identity. And the songkok is Malay, not Malaysian, as far as the Chinese are concerned. What then would the Chinese consider as Malaysian? If you are not supposed to be bare-headed and if your head must be covered, what would be acceptable to the Chinese? Would they rather the cowboy hat be the Malaysian dress code? Or maybe a baseball cap? What would the Chinese accept as the proper uniform to use on one's head? Anything as long as it is not Malay?

The Chinese have to take a long, hard look at themselves and ask whether they are equally racist. Dress codes are common all over the world. Certain restaurants will not allow you in unless you wear a tie and suit. They will even loan you a tie and coat if you walk in not properly dressed. Never have I heard that the Chinese will protest and boycott the restaurant that forces them to observe these dress codes even though this type of dressing is not Chinese but very colonial. Only if the restaurant stipulates that the dress code includes a songkok will the Chinese protest. And this is because the songkok is Malay. So is it the dress code that the Chinese find offensive or is it what they perceive as the Malay part of the dress code that they find offensive?

They defend their resistance by saying that this is not their personal feeling. This resistance is only to please the Chinese population who will feel betrayed if the Chinese they voted into office compromises with the Malays. Finally, they admit the real reason for the resistance. It is so that the Chinese voters will not think they have compromised with the Malays. It is all about not being seen to have compromised with the Malays. Do the Chinese, therefore, have any right to demand that the Malays compromise with the Chinese?

Scream about a 'one-Malaysia' by all means. Demand that all races be considered Malaysian and not Malays, Chinese and Indians, if that makes you happy. But make sure your actions match your words. And if you scream 'no compromise', then expect no compromise in return. And this entire piece is not at all about the songkok. It is about Chinese resistance to what they perceive as Malay and their stand of no compromise. To be honest, even I do not like wearing a songkok. But that is not because I am anti-Malay.

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written by kamal, March 17, 2008 09:10:11
RPK, you can't blame this chinaman. He has always relied on Malaysian medias, which distort the true picture for the benefit of BN and UMNO.

I totally agree with you that every race in Kelantan is well taken care. It is very easy to see the Menteri Besar of Kelantan, NOT LIKE, in UMNO States, where you need an appointment.

These elected SERVANTS treat the Malaysian rakyat like slaves.

This election has taught these 'FOOL' that the time has come and ENOUG IS ENOUGH.

Keep reporting and best of luck.

Read my blog KAMAL-TALKS http://kamal-talksmalaysia.********.com
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 09:16:42
But Yang Mulia, the cinaman you spoke to was 'ignorant' so please guide him, advise him.

To the cinamen who are 'educated', been round the block a couple of times, been there, done that but you STILL harbour racists thoughts - be ASHAMED! VERY ASHAMED!
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written by FFT, March 17, 2008 09:18:50
The root of the problem actually lies in UMNO dogma that

Malay = Islam

So a songkok, or whatever other Malay dress/costume, is seen to be an imposition of Islam.
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written by Walia, March 17, 2008 09:19:18
''Can I sum up by saying that all Malaysians, irrespective of race, are racists.''

true. Malaysians are one uncivilised lot.

Just mention Chinese, Malay or Indian in a western country, and observe the death stare u get.
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written by malaysianohope, March 17, 2008 09:21:36
Wah Abang Pete,

Still talking about the songkok thing ar.. Perhaps a slight correction on the issue of wearing songkok .. I think it's not the case of associating one with Malay thing but with a Muslim.

Regardless, I have to agree wholeheartedly that the Chinese shamefully go to such an extend to obtain a Datukship. That why the perception of people in general is negative on such title.
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written by loosecannon, March 17, 2008 09:24:20
RPK back to his usual self, I see. I must say I agree with your observations. Everyone has a bit of racism in him or her. Some are more extreme than others. In a way, we can put the blame on our brand of politics which keeps reminding us of our prejudices in form and substance.

Regarding the songkok, if the government want everyone to accept it they should declare that any body who wear a songkok should be officially addressed as a datuk. You can be assured that the whole country will be songkoknised overnight and songkok making industry will be the next big thing in the country. Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.
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written by Raja Petra, March 17, 2008 09:24:43
Dear malaysianohope, I already said that this is not about the songkok but about 'no compromise'. More Christians than Muslims wear the songkok so how can it be a Muslim thing?
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written by grant, March 17, 2008 09:25:52
my pt is so valid...chinese again... i am referring to the guy sitting next to RPK... damn ai bin. (show off, wanting face value)... open mouth wanna compare and condemn... cudnt help it.. read the 1 para had to comment d...

(fyi... i am Chinese also.. so i can bash and whack the chinese whenever i feel like it without having to fear a backlash because i, a chinese know other chinese too well)
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written by grant, March 17, 2008 09:29:16
need some clarification here... dont quite understand the last sentence.. of this man's intent...
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....Another Chinese man who had been listening to the entire 'debate' stood up and, quite perturbed, said, “You people spend so much money flying all over the world but you never take the trouble to visit Kelantan to see the situation there for yourself. You believe all the government propaganda and yet you say that the mainstream newspapers can't be trusted and print lies.”
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written by oster, March 17, 2008 09:30:47
There's also the simple logic that PAS can never gain even a simple majority in the federal parliament to force through its agenda to consider.

Too many people look at politics in broad brushes, pitting vague forces against vague forces, ignoring the details. The details clearly shows that politics is at the end of the day, a game of numbers.

cheers
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written by budakindia, March 17, 2008 09:37:15
May be he thinks if Pas took over, we would start buying nuclear weapons and defy all international regualtions about nuclear weapons! Maybe that what he means! smilies/grin.gif Oh wow still the old narrow minded! And yet we are talking about equal rights and whatever! How sad! smilies/cry.gif
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written by Raja Petra, March 17, 2008 09:39:56
Dear grant, he meant that this Chinese man obtained his information and formed his opinions by reading the mainstream newspapers, which distorted what PAS really stands for. But if he had taken a trip to Kelantan then he would not be thinking that way, as many of have gone to Kelantan have pleasantly discovered.
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written by informalaysia, March 17, 2008 09:41:12
Dear RPK,

You seem very upset about the whole songkok thing. Whatever the case is, I admit that most of us Malaysians are racist. But after 50 years of being labelled as "Ahmad, Ah Chong, Ramasamy", how could this not be possible?

I'd like to blame someone for the cause of this racistness of our people, but that won't change anything. Instead, all of us should admit to this and start working towards having trust towards each other. I'm pretty optimistic if we keep talking about this issue, it will get better from time to time.

I'm a Malay and I'd like to explain to my fellow Chinese friends that no, you do not become any less Chinese if you adhere to the dress codes of a Malay/Muslim. In fact, doing so will just increase our respect towards the Chinese for being such cooperative.

And to my fellow Malay friends on the other hand, we have to learn how to lessen our prejudice towards the Chinese and Indians, while at the same time the Indian and Chinese should prove it to the Malays that you guys can be trusted for real. Why?

Because you won't believe how many Malays are afraid that Malaysia would become like Singapore where Malays are oppressed if the Chinese ever come into power, just as much as how you guys are afraid if Malaysia becomes an Islamic state. Regardless, I hope both of these fears are nothing more than mere unrealistic imagination.

Last but not least, like what this title says, we should always remember that in every situation, COMPROMISE WORKS BOTH WAYS.
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written by asianguy, March 17, 2008 09:42:24
I think Malaysians of all races have become so sensitised to race due to the racist antics of the BN government over the past 50 years, so much so that many have become naturalised racists! This is especially so in older Malaysians. The songkok may be a reminder to these Chinese of their subjugation under UMNO's racist policies, in as much as the swastika is a reminder to the Jews of the Nazi atrocities. I wonder whether Malays would be just as willing to wear a cheongsam, or a saree? Of course, if offered to wear a cheongsam or saree for $250,000, I'm sure every Malay would wear one too!

We need to reverse this wrong mindset, which is why we face a big challenge in this new Malaysian dawn. I hope we succeed.
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written by Kuku Burung, March 17, 2008 09:44:14
I was with a bunch of friends mostly Chinese in Australia a few years ago. In a company function/party, we were asked to (in advance) wear national costume. All of us wore Malay costumes complete with Songkok, and one even wore a tengkolok. Everyone was happy. But when I asked them that would they wear the costume in Malaysia, their answer was "no, no". In Malaysia, wearing a songkok is synonym to being like a Malay.

After much though and listening to these people, my conclusion is that: Songkok represents Malay. The Chinese, being a "superior race in Malaysia, if not the world" can not lower themselves to the Malay level - it is a disgrace to their ancestors. They call Malay "Huan Kia" - which means, roughly, primitive, wild kind. So how can a superior Chinese be like a primitive, wild Malay? But when it comes to getting a datukship, well, it is a different matter. The datukship will somewhat elevates their status. Historically, receiving a "gelaran" from king, or emperor, is a big thing, never mind what it represents.
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written by franklyspeaking, March 17, 2008 09:49:29
RPK, can we have a wear-songkok day like wear-yellow-saturday? Once everyone wears one then it not un-common sight.
My wife wears baju kurung to work every now and then and it nice a pretty and no one ever commented. I like it too. smilies/kiss.gif. Just to share a story, my wife were stop by polis one day talking on HP while driving and the polisman let her go and compliement here baju kurung! To all..... that what I call benefit!! smilies/cheesy.gif
If I were to wear a songkok to work or to coffe shop or mamak shop, I think everyones head will turn and stare at me. Why is that so? I have nothing against songkok but I wont want that kind of attention on me.

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written by gtl, March 17, 2008 09:49:53
pete, well written and hope it woken up the chinese to open their minds while for the malays to be more understanding toward the chinese on why they felt this way.
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written by c53k, March 17, 2008 09:51:48
Hi RPK, words for thought smilies/cry.gif

Yes there're many racists of many kind in M'sia.

Some are born, some are been indoctrinated, while others are pure ignorant!

Majority of the lower educated/rural Chinese M'sian, due to exposure & example, behave exactly as you described. AND yet they're not racist! smilies/grin.gif

Just imagine that if you have been through 30 years of NEP-induced treatments AND most of the benefitualees are Malay M'sian, then their minds would work in such a way that ANYTHING Malay is somehow repulsive! Call this simple things please simple mind - or whatever. This THE perceptions. This is NOT Chinese Chauvinism!!!

So the wearing of the Malay songkok by some section of the Chinese M'sian has to be viewed with this perspective in mind smilies/cheesy.gif

Again look at the case of the ideology of Malaysia for Malaysian. What's wrong with that? smilies/shocked.gif

And yet the less educated/rural Malay M'sian will instantly reject it! What takes? smilies/smiley.gif This is NOT Malay Chauvinism?

It's the same all over the spectrum of M'sian life at the moment.

Similar debates of this nature can only fade away as time marches on & the M'sian as a whole takes pride as M'sian, first & foremost.

Hopefully in another 20 yrs time, then race & religion tags can only be a statistical measure of the composition of the nation - and only that. Nothing more nothing less.
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written by aiyomanaboleh, March 17, 2008 10:08:32
Conversely, there are also suspicion among Malays when they go to chinese houses .......

All these mindsets need time to correct.

Were there such problems during 60s?
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written by batsman, March 17, 2008 10:23:22
Difficult to turn the above ideas into a catchy slogan that can take off like wildfire. The shrunken balls thing didn't need much prompting to take off. Any talented copy writers out there who can dream up a catchy slogan for this?
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written by oster, March 17, 2008 10:25:24
BTW, DAP, PAS has been saying some really nice things about DAP of late in their blogs and Harakah. They really seem eager to foster good relationships.

But DAP seems to mostly mention PKR and has, from my view, not reciprocated this.

I suggest you do. Goodwill will only last so long.

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written by cruzeiro, March 17, 2008 11:00:00
Rozlan,
What you say is very true.
However, "they" wouldn't accept what you say, and will come out with a million "pig-headed" arguments like "songkok=pork" ......

The irony of it is, these guys are actually victims of the colonial "social contract",
that has been propagated by "some parties", that they themselves hate.

However, they do not see it that way - over the decades of indoctrination to the "divide & rule" policies, they have been made to believe that they are only being "patriotic" to their ancestry, and are thus justified.

They'll never believe for a minute, that they are actually victims of hate-mongers' propaganda ..... and they'll unwittingly play the same game and rhetoric as their hated adversaries.

Poor little minds ....
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written by grant, March 17, 2008 11:05:11
Thanks RPK Sir... Just that after reading that para a few times I was thinking he could be contradicting himself... Anyways thanks again
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written by wongnoball, March 17, 2008 11:06:41
NONAGGRESSIVE STRENGTH

A skillful leader does not use force.
A skillful fighter does not use anger.
A skillful master does not engage the opponent.
A skillful employer remains low.

This is called the power in not contending.
This is called the strength to employ others.
This is called the highest emulation of NATURe.

Quoted from Lao Tzu's philosophy.
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written by penang1, March 17, 2008 11:08:17
DEAR RPK,

I am a Chinese, and please allow this Chinese guy to tell you how I feel.

It is not that I won't wear songkok, I just can't wear it !

I can't wear songkok not because it's a "Malay sign", but because, when I wear it, I feel like I have somehow become a member of MCA - Malaysian Coward Association - that I must do what MCA has always done, bow down and kiss the UMNO.

It has nothing to do with the Malay people in general, RPK. It has EVERYTHING to do with MCA.

If MCA had had backbone, if MCA dare to stand firm against UMNO when they did all those ugly racist things - hey, I, as a Chinese has no problem wearing songkok, pakai baju Melayu and sarong as well.

It's just that the MCA experience has so tarred me that I just can't cave in anymore.

MCA keeps on telling me that "MCA" stands for Malaysian CHINESE Association!

Precisely because of that, I, as a Chinese, feel extremely ashame of being a Chinese.

So, this Chinese as is ashame as he is, and has vowed to NOT repeat anything that MCA has done - wear songkok, etc.

Please understand how the Chinese feel, RPK, and please stop berating us. UMNO had done that much too often, and we really don't need you to join in the chorus.

Thank you, and have a nice day !
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written by jack little, March 17, 2008 11:13:41
Damn right Sir.
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written by wongnoball, March 17, 2008 11:21:12
Dear RPK,

Let put all things in a nutshell.
If the songkok is presented by people like YOU, I will definitely wear it in some occasions.
But if it is presented by UMNO, I will say sorry and THANK YOU lah !!!!
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written by Toyolbuster, March 17, 2008 11:33:51
Malaysian of all races have been cultured by the racist UMNO/BN government for 50 years. It will take at least another 10 years to re-culture them back to accept one another as brothers and sisters like in the good old days.

In China, just after they opened their "doors" to foreigners, it was quite impossible to do business with the chinese there then. But how can anyone blame them when they have been "cultured" into communism for more than 2 generations. However, today, they are very successful in business internationally.

Time will heal.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 11:46:20
This will be my only response to this tread:

In Malaysia, the songkok is a symbol of malayness and Islam is not without reasons. See below:

"Songkok is a famous traditional hat for MUSLIM MEN in the region of South East Asia. It normally in black, comes in different sizes, and sometimes accompanied with a beautiful embroidery batik design (with the gold thread) that one can either put it on or off." http://www.malaysiangifts.citymax.com/songkok.html

"The songkok became a familiar sight in the Malay archipelago around the 13th century when Islam began to take roots in the region. The rise in popularity of the songkok were apparently viz-a-viz the propogation of Islam, and this was quite logical because the religion encourages it followeres to cover their heads. In fact it is considered sunat (voluntary good deed) for the Muslim males to don a headgear provided that is is done in good taste." http://www.bruneiresources.com/bruneisongkok.html

If I am your guest and you cook spicy food, it would generally be impolite to refuse the food even if I really can't take spicy food. I may take the food because of that reason, but that doesn't mean I can stand the spicy food. In such cases, does it means he is selfish and uncomprimising just because he refuses them? Who should compromise? The host or the guest? Of course, it should be the host for the simple reason that it cost him no suffering at all to do so.

In the same light, the songkok, unlike a malay baju, is a symbol as the above extracts indicated, it represents malayness and Islam to many people. Just as there are people who cannot take chilli, there are people who cannot wear any symbol that represents things that contradicts their belief system. Although I feel the DAP reps should compromise for the sake of the overall good, I cannot fault them for feeling sensitive over the 'compulsory' imposition of the songkok or say they intend to be disrespectful to the Sultan because of that. That is just not true! It is also bad reasoning to equate what is happening as an example of hindrance to the "one malaysian" concept. If a controlling party understands and respects a politically weaker party who wants to respect him, he would be very selective in imposing rules and protocols that may cause distress to the weaker party members. Can anyone seriously say the DAP don't want to respect the Sultans? Hence, I don't think the issue here is not about 'compromise' or 'songkok', but about 'respect for others' belief system' and 'exercising power wisely'.

UMNO was so hated precisely because they don't care of others sensitivity even when it is brought to their attention clearly by their comarades. Because of they enormous power, they simply delude themselves with their own arguement. As we have seen, their comarades in MCA, Gerakan and PPP, including part of themselves, were nearly destroyed because of their blindness. Just as we are accusing the DAP of insensitivity, we should do a mirror test on ourselves whether we are in fact the one who is insensitive to their concerns.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 11:48:37
Correction: Hence, I think the issue here is NOT about 'compromise' or 'songkok', but about 'respect for others' belief system' and 'exercising power wisely'.
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written by Jarratt, March 17, 2008 11:50:48
I believe that our history of using the jarring word of "multicultural" is a large part of the blame. We are constantly referred to in tourism ads and regular articles as a "multicultural" country living in "peace and harmony". After all, if we are one country, one people, why would we have to live "multi-culturally" in "peace and harmony"? Although it's positive sounding, our separation suddenly become a badge of pride. "See, he's a Malay and I'm Chinese, and look, we are conversing and laughing...We are so peaceful". If we are all Malaysians, it should be no big surprise that we are interacting with each other without being aware that I am one stereotype and you are another. After all, Americans don't go, "look at us multicultural Americans living in peace". If you are an American you're American because you subscribe to a common set of beliefs, namely you believe in the Constitution, and you don't have to agree about anything else.

But what does it mean to be Malaysian? We can't even boil it down to some basic generic commonality (just living in the same country doesn't count if your world is predominantly Chinese, except when you go to get your roti canai, and my world is predominantly Malay, except when...I go to Penang). Do we all believe in the Constitution or some form of tangible description of being "Malaysian"? Let's take a step back, how many of us actually know the wording of our Constitution?

Now "we" don't know "the other" well and each of us are afraid of the other, that if we give up one inch they will take a mile. So we have become competing forces for fear that if we loosen up we will be swallowed whole. And this force is drawn on racial lines and not ideological lines. We blindly go, no matter what, we have to support the Malay/Chinese/Indian cause first then let the other pieces fall where they may. We are more ready to go "well...those Malays do this and those Indians do that" before we go "we Chinese should not be doing so much of this"

This is very entrenched in our system of "only Indians can truly represent Indians, Chinese " " Chinese, Malay " " Malay which is totally false. I remember Samy opening a school and saying "I came up with the plans because I'm an architect and because I'm Indian, I know what's good for Indians". Give me a break, are you telling me that Indians use different materials to build a building with rooms and order special "Indian" chalkboards and desks? It makes no sense yet people readily accept this reasoning. But our leaders haven't done this because they need to keep this fear among us so that they can rule by divide and conquer.

Japan, they weren't "Japanese" before the Meiji Restoration, they were Japanese because the government made them Japanese. Today sumo wrestling everybody identify it as Japanese in a second. But sumo wrestling actually only existed as sport in one part of modern-day Japan before it was promoted by the government among other things as a national identity. In America, they cannot teach a racial national identity because the majority is not racially American. So they build an identity based on the words of the Constitution and other symbols like apple pie and cheeseburgers. In Korea, their pickled vegetables "Kim Chee" was not a national food until one of their presidents said so because he wanted to make a "national food". But what does Malaysia have?

And finally Malaysia and BN have been one for the past 50 years. For most of us, we have known no other reality until March 8. The two are so intertwined that we cannot really separate when one is speaking or acting as a government official and when one is speaking or acting as a BN member. Is there a difference? When one says "the government" one is not talking about the institution, but in fact just BN itself. And so what's bad about BN is bad about "the government" and vice versa.

So we have to somehow get the people to believe in a generic "Malaysian" identity first. One that is not politicized and pried away from "BN". Of course, this identity will largely be influenced by the historical influences of peoples past of the Malay Archipelago and not necessarily of the contemporary Muslim Malay. And this will take a lot of push and pull from the different corners to work
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written by Sterilizer, March 17, 2008 11:54:28
Dear YM RPK, let me tell you why you may have a perception that most of the Malaysian Chinese are anti-malay/muslim. You only need to look at discovery channel & notice that elephants and lions in Africa are eternal enemies. Even as young as an elephant calf, they are being preyed upon but luckily, their thick skin saved them from being mauled & if not for their adults who come to their rescue, they would have been dead. Since early childhood itself, elephant brains are impregnated with a ‘fact’ that lions are elephant’s enemy & adult elephants even go as far as to disturb lions having their meal whenever they can & then try to bury their meals as well.

You can blame all you can that most Malaysian Chinese are racist & that they despise all that is malay/islam because that is the truth. Most are racist & most despise malay/islam. Malays/muslims are the people they face almost 99 times out of 100 when they need to deal with the government & what do Malaysian Chinese associate them to? Inefficiency? Corruption? Cronyism? Stupid? Indecisive? Easily forgotten (especially files)? Rude? Impatient? Disregard for cleanliness? & ESPECIALLY LAZY???

Hey! Malaysian Chinese are not blameless themselves for having traits that is inefficiency, corruptible, cronyism, stupid, indecisive, easily forgotten (especially files), rude, impatient, disregard for cleanliness & ESPECIALLY LAZY!!! In fact, you can see these traits are prevalent in even the most developed of nations! But why do we not keep saying that the mat sallehs are also inefficient, corruptible, cronyism, stupid, indecisive, easily forgotten (especially files), rude, impatient, disregard for cleanliness & ESPECIALLY LAZY??? But we associate them more with perhubungan seks secara rambang.

And you will not change a typical Malaysian Chinese who ‘see’ those traits in most malays/muslim of Malaysia by putting in 1000 articles on songkoks & why we must all compromise. In fact, you will not even be able to change even 1 typical Malaysian Chinese. The fact that we kept telling children to mingle with everyone & be friendly are all futile when we have little napoleons f******g around with having ‘ultras’ mentality located at all segment of societies, may that be school principles, imans, government customer service, director general of government departments, ADUNs, parliamentarians, deputy minister, minister or even the prime minister. These children will see adults being hypocrites & their recalcitrant actions speak way louder than words. Yes, it does reminds you of what anwar said in many of his ceramahs that pick pocket is a crime, bribing police officers of minor traffic offences is a crime but swindling millions of ringgits is considered as commission. So is it a crime if you steal sweets from a kedai runcit but not a crime if you claim tens of thousands from insurance companies?

It is impossible to make 1000 films in your life time & still expect 1000 of them to be a blockbuster. Yes, YM RPK, of your thousands or so articles, not all of them are blockbuster. And the fact that it isn’t does not mean that you cannot keep producing. The fact that you cannot change people’s mind doesn’t mean you cannot keep talking. But you have changed a lot of people’s mind because we saw a swing in the voting mentality. That is amazing, the work that you have put in, the ceramahs that you have put in, the lack of sleep that you don’t mind. Thank you very much for all that. But as you are also human, you should be happy that some criticism towards you are constructive (that your articles are sometimes bias & contradicts itself). Try as you may, there are certain things remain as they are today not because these people are racist. If only these people have better parents who will show them the beauty of KLCC & and then show them the slums where these people hardly make a living. Show them the aristocrat world of Europe & show them the sufferings in war torn Africa. Show them the Utusan Malaysia & show them Harakah. Some don’t even have the time to spend with their children! So why do they have so many, or even any, in the first place? But that’s a different story.

The story now is if you want a good football team, you must have a good youth team. That’s a fact. & you will never change people’s mind with 1000 articles of songkok. They will not compromise. They may even despise. But if we don’t correct the rot in the minds of the adults & make corrections to a crooked society, then leaving it to our children is very irresponsible indeed. Even though the education in schools never had syllabus that teaches us to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery but I do hope & urge that all ADUNs & parliamentarians to contemplate all your actions for the good of Malaysian Future. Good luck...
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written by patycy, March 17, 2008 12:03:20
Sometimes i am amazed by the hypocrisy by some people from my same kind. While many out there shouting to earn the rights to become Malaysian, 1 country 1 race, yet they just refused to respect and understand cultures beyond their ethnic.

They claimed they are not racist, yet when they are invited and offered to experience cultures/tradition from other races, THEY REFUSED because they have always been insulting other races and if they learn and accept others culture, they will be degraded!

When you put facts on the table. The usual response you might get is "I don't care lar", "Whatever la.. " and "Media's fault la... ".

Please, point your fingers to yourself first before you start pointing to others. I have been reading MSM, regardless mandarin, english and malay papers since young. I was affected by biased news in papers but that is no excuse for not being initiated to change!

Imagine, if you have close friends from all ethnics in Malaysia, you will definitely think many times before you utter any positive comment on race or generalizing them in a bad manner.

So, expand your social circles and reach out for other races. Change yourself to change Malaysia.
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written by Krazee, March 17, 2008 12:06:40
DAP traditionally have had their base from the poorer chinese and most of them are their die hard fans. Do understand these people are not net savy and depends a lot on the mainstream papers for their news. Especially those in the new villages the only Malays they meet are mostly or ppl in blue, and Govt officials. It does not take a lot to understand that their understanding of Malays is not something glorious especially the elderly who do not know much Bahasa Malaysia and it is not surprising that their dealings with such are not pleasing. Given such situation, if DAP were to be labeled as "become Malay" the songkok issue, DAP will loose out it's traditional die hard supporters....AKA 1999 elections. Give the chinese some time now that the coalition is in place. Let DAP, PKR and PAS show the people that the Malays are not all keris wielding and unreasonable corrupted people. Let them show these chinese that Malays are not out to ensure that Chinese are going to be exterminated thru riots or another 1969. Let them tell these Chinese that Malays are not going to sunat all chinese man ( forced to masuk Melayu ). Show these ppl that Malays do not snatch the bodies of their dead. In short, DAP will have to survive and have to take things one at a time. We who have access to information and have RPK to explain hopefully can see things clearly but give the people out there who had been poisoned for 50 years to slowly recover from the poisoning and do not shock them by our impatience..... my 2 five sen.
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 12:15:21
Dear Sterilizer

I'm totally moved by your comment! Excellent!
BTW you big elephant or small elephant? smilies/grin.gif
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written by orangmsia, March 17, 2008 12:19:19
Dear RPK,

A lot of people are quite disappointed with your last 3 blogs kept talking about the 'songkok' which wont help in the unity of the races or PKR/PAS/DAP coalition.

You should blame those people who wear songkok and create fear/hatre among non malay
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written by redwine, March 17, 2008 12:27:14
just wear songkok for angkat sumpah ceremony. respect the sultan lah.no need to argue this small issue.

Cheers.
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written by AlwaysMalaysian, March 17, 2008 12:29:45
Hi Pete,

I was once think like the Chinaman u met. When I was being blind by the racist strategy of BN. The key is, the opposition leader should not behave like the BN leader, then only they are qualify to advertise the Bangsa Malaysia picture.
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written by Tornado, March 17, 2008 12:32:29
If songkok became arguement topic, how about "Cuti umum"?? All malaysian especially for those who works with gomen are happy when being given "Cuti Umum" by not considering the type of "cuti umum".

Even jews wearing songkok/ketayap. Please don't arguing small things...
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written by HARIMAU BIN ABDULLAH, March 17, 2008 12:41:50
Bolehland people have indeed wasted a lot of their precious time over a period of 50 years, on unproductive activities, while the neighboring countries continue to progress.
10 years from now - Ringgit value drop 50%
20 years from now - Ringgit no more value
30 years from now - Bankrupt
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written by wongnoball, March 17, 2008 12:43:58
Dear Batsman,

I am lost. Can you clarify what are the Cinakui you are referring to ???
May I know what is 'nyiah, nyiah' lah ????
Thank you.
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written by nowinnofee, March 17, 2008 12:49:26
dear rpk,

I have to agree with some of the comments posted i.e many are dead set against wearing it because of UMNO, it has nothing to do with being as racist. If a person like to were to invite us and state the dress code, I am sure the whole of Malaysia will agree to this.

Perhaps many do not understand the difference between culture, traditions and religion and herein lies the problem.It boils down to respecting and being sensitive to ones culture and religion.

Have you noticed that most Indians will never serve Pork in ones house or even eat infront of a Malay/Islam friend or person. Infact many of us take the trouble to cook halal food and even cook in in a different wok for our Malay friends. However, can the same be said with one's Malay friend? they will serve beef and chicken on the same table and just say..oh by the way it is beef or sometimes worse..you will have to ask..is this lamb or beef? This is insensitive. Of course my Malay friends would say ...hey pork is haram but cow is not haram because you dont eat it out of respect.

Tell me would a Malay bear it, if I were to start a meeting with chanthing some hindu sancrit mantra and then start of the meeting? It would creat an uproar and I would be severely dealt with, however, if a Malay were to start a meeting with Quoran versus, many of non malays/ non muslem just keep quiet and are tolerant of it. I would say , that if they were sensitive they should actually recognise their non muslem friends and let them know. Anyway, Irrespective ..I call it being sensitive to ones religion and quculture.

Let me digress with relation to songkok but explain to you about my personal experience ,my brother married a Malay muslem girl and my parents were dead set against him marrying her...why..they said it was the religion and not her..why? because if they were do pass away, he will not be allowed to undertake the final rites of a son because Islam does not allow him to do so. My sister in law actually said, it is allright with her but please do it secretly..you know how insulted my parents felt? But that is not practised in Singapore, where you do not even need to convert.

UMNO has many ways intepreted the religion and has invoked fear, oppression and hate where Islam is concerned. not to mention BEING PARANOID .

Then again, the songkok thing is a simple manner, to me it is all about respecting the King's wishes..so what is the big deal..but please understand that non malays have become paranoid with the mere mention of Islam / Malay all because how UMNO had handled the religion.

However, having said that, I know of many chinese and indians have taken advantage of Islam and converted to obtain special privileges and that is really sad.

I will have to state however, I am not a chinese to have authority to comment on their culture or religion with regards to songkok.

Thank you
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written by nowinnofee, March 17, 2008 12:50:12
sorry, the first para second line should read "if a person like you......"
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written by Umar Rentaka, March 17, 2008 12:57:59
YM Raja Petra.
You are a racialist. Why do do claim that the songkok is a Malay creation when it is not.

Declare it boldly that it is an Indian creation. smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by ammoo, March 17, 2008 13:03:24
''Can I sum up by saying that all Malaysians, irrespective of race, are racists.''

I agree with this statement. I am married to a Malaysian and I see racism permiate every aspect of society and amongst all races. This is to be expected due to years of partisian politics, bigotry, insularity, NEP, etc. In spite of the electoral results it will take much longer for people to walk the talk as it were as racism is deeply rooted in the Malaysian psyche. I understand this as I am Northern Irish and know that the older generation cannot change overnight. All the suspicions, fears and resentments of many years cannot be swept away so easily. Raja Petra your reasoning and logic is sound, your points valid but a change in views, perceptions and subsequently actions will take time. Hope for the future stems from the teaching of the younger generation. I am sure many of the older adults have grown up on a diet of racism and intolerance of other races but the parents of today have to teach their children not to consider,colour, religion, political views, etc when they deal with others. It took centuries in the US and many other countries, why should it be any different in Malaysia? Having said this, at least people are talking and being open, mindsets will change but don't expect this overnight.
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written by emastulen, March 17, 2008 13:03:32
Dear RPK, You keep on harping about the Chinese being rascist for refusing to wear the songkok and Malay attire but somehow you got the facts wrong. Have you not seen Chinese wearing the Batik? Chinese women wearing the Baju Kurung? Chinese men wearing the sarong and baju melayu? Are these not Malay attire? The Chinese have reservations in wearing the songkok because the songkok is deemed to be a religious attire. Is it not true that when you attend friday prayers you can wear any clothes but you MUST wear a songkok? Isn't this rule applies to ALL religious Islamic ceremonies? The Chinese are apprehensive about wearing the songkok is because we deem it to be a religious symbol of one who wears it are practising Islam. So I hope you try to understand the feelings of the Chinese and get your facts right, that is, the Chinese are not rascist just because we refuse to wear the songkok and that you are wrong to say the Chinese do not wear Malay attire.
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written by Umar Rentaka, March 17, 2008 13:04:22
Which is good because many Chinese girls in Penang wear Saree for Thaipusam festival. They even wear that to their offices. Many Chinese man carry kavadi also. So, just admit that the songkok is one of the last remaining vestiges of Hindu influence on the Malay culture.

Then all Chinese will wear the songkok with pride.
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written by gotterdammerung, March 17, 2008 13:13:09
This issue of the songkok is probably just an excuse. Chinese are generally business minded. They care less about the honor of receiving a datukship but more on the potential of more business opportunities they will receive upon the conferment of this title. So the songkok excuse is just a smokescreen. Business is business after all.
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written by gaman, March 17, 2008 13:15:38
YM RPK,

I'm a West Malaysian Chinese that came to Sabah in 1984. During that time I still remember Malay in Sabah can sit and drink only (no food) together in one table at a "Chinese Shop" which I think must be "MADNESS" in West. Unbelieveable isn't it? Yes, during those times....racial integration is SUPERB in Sabah. If we were to talk about national integration......West Malaysians should come over here to learn from Sabahans. I would say such harmonous integrations were destroyed by the UMNO goons the moment they set up their camps over here.
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written by wongnoball, March 17, 2008 13:15:52
Dear Rozlan,

You can keep on and champion your Malay style of Bangsa Malaysian.
Now is a globalization world, majority of the Malaysian Chinese have no time to argue with this type of issue anymore lah !!
In order to survive, the underdog Chinese have to know at least 2 languages, Chinese and English, or may be 3 or 4 more languages .....
If you read the book, The world is flat, by Thomas Friedman, you might have a different thinking.
I like the Nyonya food, but I don't appreciate that type of Chinese sub-culture.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 13:20:42
Attention Everyone!

Don't wear songkok = Racist = Don't respect Sultan

Beginning to sound like an UMNO formula or something spinned from the BN-controlled media. Common sense is not so common after all...sign...
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written by palmyra, March 17, 2008 13:37:47
I believe every races are racists. It's the severity of racist that differentiate among other races. Some are merely mild while others are too damn racist. So, be it the Malay, Chinese, Indians, Kadazan, Bajau, Bidayuh so on and so forth..they are racist. Reasons? To protect its own race or just being racist for no particular reason.
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written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 13:46:33
Arabs do not wear songkok. Malays, Indonesians and Bruneians are the only people who wear songkok because that is a cultural traditional headgear.

Besides, Balinese Hindus have its version of "songkok" called destar . They are not Muslims and they wear it daily.

Link: http://www.aisehman.org/archiv..._cock.html

Looks like Aisehman understands better:
Unlike the tudung, which is a religious head covering, the Malay songkok, like the Arab kefiyyeh, is a traditional headdress.

Some Muslim Malay men wear the songkok to cover the head, usually during prayers. It is not worn because Islam requires the songkok itself to be worn.
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written by TB Tan, March 17, 2008 13:51:06
Dear RPK,

I agree with you on the subject of respecting the host when it comes to traditions which obviously covers the dress code. You even have non-Malays in Malay attire in the offices.

But then again I believe that the resentment towards traditions that is Malay by non-Malays breeds from the way that Malay culture have been projected by the government. I am a Chinese and most Chinese will agree that we interact a lot with Malays daily and have no problem with that.

Most non-Malays are actually 'Malays-friendly' people and vice-versa. In fact, we would whole-heartedly support the government's call to help upgrade the standard of livelihood for the under-priviliged Malays, but if this is done at the expense of the basic rights or unequal opportunities for Malaysian citizens of other race, then it will create a resentment in everything Malay because it gives other races a sense that the Malays have rob them of their rights.

Two simple glaring examples ( my personal experience too ):-

1) education - having attained better results than my Malay classmates,and yet my Malay classmates get to enrol in a government university whereas I am denied the right. I am happy for my Malay classmates for being given the opportunity to higher education but I resent the fact that I was denied the same for being a non-Malay despite having better results

2) my Malay colleague and I draw the same amount of salary, we pay the same amount of taxes - when it comes to purchasing a home, my Malay colleague pays 5% less than me. Am a better off than my Malay counterpart such that I have to pay extra?

The root of this so-called anti-Malay culture is obviously a resentment towards the way policies are being handled by the government. Change this !!
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written by RasuahMinister, March 17, 2008 14:01:21
Hiyah you peoples, now we should concentrate not on racial/religious matters, what we should do right now is all races hand in hand, choose a nice Sunday, carrying big sledge hammers, drills and stuffs, and then all of us tear down unneccesary PLAZA TOLLS in Selangor area and other states.
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 14:05:49
heh SUV, long time indeed, u dah pegi mana?
i ada baik, u? smilies/cool.gif
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 14:12:04
written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 | 13:35:43
Ermm, Milo arrr .. It seems to me Malaysia Today also said we have to respect the Sultan in ceremonies by wearing songkok. Malaysia Today is not BN-controlled
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I said the formula LOOKS like it is from the BN-controlled media. For truth, we should be no body cronies, even if it is Raja Petra or Malaysia Today, (which is a media and someone I respect and agree with most of the time anyway). Just as RPK will rap anyone based on the truth, I live by the same spirit. My disagreement with some of his views do not in anyway cause me to disrespect him for what he stands for in my mind. He is human, and so am I. Both can err.
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 14:14:09
BTW SUV, de japs vely good genes/upbringing - polite considerate hardworking and vely vely honest. leave important bag in their train by mistake, no speak jap with station-master,draw picture and SM promise to get back at 9.23 and sure enuf on the dot, it's back! damn syiok and many many salutes! come back see attitude of our kastam guys, ptui!
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written by zonefinder, March 17, 2008 14:27:08
Yang Mulia,
I beg to differ from your opinion about the Songkok. Maybe its a perception that needs changing but I notice that every time there's a need to display Malay "supremacy" like during the Umno Assemblies or a rallying cry for Ketuanan Melayu, the attire is inevitably a baju Melayu and Songkok ( preferably with Keris). Is it surprising that the non-Malays will steer away or try to disassociate from this? Could be a reflex action conditioned by years of living as second class citizens in our own country.
As many of the bloggers have commented, there are many other ways of showing our Malaysian identity like wearing batik, enjoying satay, rendang or Malay curry or attending Malay weddings or Hari Raya open houses etc which most Chinese enjoy and loves. Many of us have also rallied together with our Malay brothers for Just causes eg Bersih rally.
While I will readily admit that the Chinese have lots to say about others ( we even talk bad about our fellow chinese ie hakka vs hokkien, bejinger vs shanghaiese, chinese vs barbarians etc etc for that matter we even talk bad abt our own family), I would definitely object to being branded anti Malays just because we refrain from wearing a songkok.
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written by Legion, March 17, 2008 14:31:18
Aiyah, songkok only what. While working at Brunei, I wear the upper part of a baju Melayu to work also no problem. Furthermore, the Bruneians are happy that I am embracing their culture. Give and take lah, why make such a fuss over traditional wear. Tell those old uncles be liberal a bit and dont always think of hidden meaning over clothing items. I am Chinese in case you wonder.
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written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 14:40:07
aikk Milo , that is sad. It is true that if one does not follow the non-religious protocol to meet the Sultan, indeed it is a disrespect.

Hi Legion, you are an open-minded person and that is good.
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written by sampalee, March 17, 2008 14:43:57
A slight fever could be the starting sign of a serious sickness.The songkok thing can be the surface sign of deep rooted discrimination and it will be unwise to dismiss it as trivial.This can be the moving reason why RPK revisit this recent subjest.Please let us do some real soul searching and clean our mentality from this cancerous biasness.
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written by FFT, March 17, 2008 14:53:20


The problem may be not so much getting the Chinese to "respect" or compromise on the songkok, but actually restoring the respectability to the songkok after being donned by imbeciles like the above.
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written by speakofthemind, March 17, 2008 15:11:39
and why can't we have ONE PUBLIC SCHOOL system ?
Our current school system is also one contributing factor to segregation of Malaysian.
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written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 15:13:54
smilies/cheesy.gif Hahahah, FFT, that "man" in the picture has already been removed from Jerai by the voters already .. LOL .... Indeed true, what you said make sense.
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written by tcng, March 17, 2008 15:15:25
Teng Chang Khim or any other non-Malay political leader should just wear songkok, Baju Melayu and whatever dress-code required on official ceremonies.Period !

DAP Leader of Chinese/Indian origin must come to term with the reality that Malay & East Msia bumi (I hate to use this word) make up > 60% of the population and one-man-one-vote democracy is about numbers !
In addition, this land is called "Malay'-sia..... ...we have nine sultans in West Malaysia. This is evidence that the Malay established themselves in this land earlier than Chinese and Indian.

You can argue that your great-great-great-grand-father already settled down in Malaka/Penang 500 years ago and you should not be treated as 'pendatang'.
You can argue that you are MORE Malaysian than all the new (illegal) immigrants from South Philipines or Indonesian (who would become Bumi-Putera),
you are not going to win .
So, accept the fact of the special position of Malay in this country, work within the system together the Malay leaders for the betterment of Malaysia, for the sake of ALL Malaysians. Tweak NEP to help the poor Malay in the rural area, but not the well-connected Umno-Putera and their cronies in MCA & MIC.

As I mentioned before, there is no future for a non-Malay-lead Political party.
DAP will never be able to attract large number of 'quality' Malay to join them as long as the Secretary General and the core leaders are non-Malay.
If DAP objective is to act as a watchdog to ensure the minority races's right are protected, than it is alright.
Otherwise, DAP should consider joining PKR enmass (assuming PKR is not just DSAI party, but a party consist of people with sharing the same ideals).
Race and religion is the most fundamental faultline of human being. Malaysians are far - far way from color-blind or religion -blind.
Malaysia would not have a non-Malay PM in the next 100 years... I bet my cent !

Let me make a comment that may antoganise many Malay.... i.e. if something is perceived by the public are advance/developed/progressive, than most would want to be associated with it. Visualise Mao Ze Dong wearing 'Mao' suits. Jiang Ze Ming, Hu Jintao wear western suits. PAS people in white robe outfit and Malay man wearing Songkok are suffering from image problem, to a different extent. Only development of the society will solve the image problem. If songkok wearing population is one of the most educated/enlighthened people in the world, with one of the world highest per-capital GDP, if songkok wearing population produce many scientists, writters, inventor,philosophers, doctors etc etc , the image of the outfit would changed. Everybody would want to be associated with Songkok....
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written by malaysianohope, March 17, 2008 15:16:21
On a lighter vein... just read the NST (borrowed from a friend) with a Lat's cartoon in page 23. Just notice 7 representatives sitting front row: 2 wearing songkok, 1 wearing a skull cap and 4 remaining nothing else.

This must be Lat's sense of humour about Pete's " Storm in a tea cup!"
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written by batsman, March 17, 2008 15:17:58
Dear wongnoball - maybe you can understand this - after 3000 yrs of cultural inbreeding, some mongoloid descendants of the great Chinese strategist Sun Tzu are capable only of identifying enemies by choice of dress code and skin colour. This must be the mother of jokes of 30 centuries.
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written by sampalee, March 17, 2008 15:40:49
It is all about dress code,like other codes covering traffic,engineering desigh,etc.This is not about personal preference,to refrain or not.If it is a code,you comply.If a road is mark 'No Entry',you abide.Chinese are not only racist,they are too clever to think.
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written by Raja Petra, March 17, 2008 17:02:20
emastulen said: Is it not true that when you attend friday prayers you can wear any clothes but you MUST wear a songkok?

No, it is not true. When you do your Haj you are forbidden from using a songkok. In fact, you are forbidden from using ANYTHING on your head.
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 17:23:52
emastulen said: Is it not true that when you attend friday prayers you can wear any clothes but you MUST wear a songkok?

No, it is not true. When you do your Haj you are forbidden from using a songkok. In fact, you are forbidden from using ANYTHING on your head.
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and there we are! It was merely ignorance over the symbolism of donning a songkok. No malice ever intended. Tak tau aje. Just kindly explain, educate, update the non-malays cukup.
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written by NCantona, March 17, 2008 17:40:12
Dear RPK,

It's been months since i last wrote a comment here. But looks like this topic you came out with has made me think and had to chip in my two-cents comments.

First question is y are we still fighting over a songkok matter while there are lot more important things to look at. Anyway, jst because the blog is abt it so i have to comment abt it.

RPK and fellow bloggers,

It's not only chinese who are afraid of songkok but also Indians. Even I was afraid of touching the songkok, because it was known to be Islamic and not Malay. This is because when i was still schooling my fellow muslim frens told me that a non-muslim cannot touch a songkok...cannot say assalamualaikum....coz if we say it's "haram".

Maybe it’s not the correct Islam, but that’s what is embedded in a child’s mind and heart. When it’s embedded within a child, even when the child grows 60, u can change it. Maybe this is becoz as most of u said how the divide n rule of UMNO worked so well.

Yes, it’s too good. Because they learned the skills from the British. Some of the bloggers said lets put all the culture together n blend it and come out with a Malaysian culture. As long, the Malaysian education doesn’t specify the songkok is Malay culture and nothing to with Islam, till then ppl would be sceptical about this songkok wearing thing.

If we can clearly define the line between Islam and Malay culture, then the nons would accept it. The problem is UMNO have made sure that
Islam = Malay = Islam = Bumiputera.

But for me, Malaysian culture is not only clothes but also on our behaviour. Mamaking (eating supper in a Mamak Shop) is a Malaysian culture. Never on time for meetings is Malaysian culture. Food in a meeting is Malaysian culture. Teh Tarik is Malaysian culture. This is what differentiates us from other countries.
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written by Chuang Tze, March 17, 2008 17:42:43
Newton's Laws do apply after all - For every Force applied there will be an equal force in the opposite direction, and inertia means that a body at rest will stay at rest until some force is applied to it.

Let me tell you my personal experience. I am Chinese and I was happy go lucky and I used to love studying all the subjects taught in school, then suddenly one evening, my family was just getting ready to go for a cinema show but received several phone calls to tell us not to go out because there were riots everywhere. I was 10 and that was May 13 1969. That event changed my outlook in life quite sometime until I "grew" out of it.

I used to always get between 96 - 100 marks for all my subjects but suddenly after May 13, my Bahasa began to slide and I needed tuition to shore up my marks, but it wasn't the fact that Bahasa was hard, but that my heart no longer was there for Bahasa. May 13 to me then felt like oppression to the max. and anything to do Malay-ness was automatically rejected.

This feeling has been gnawing at me ever since May 13 and being exacerbated when NEP was declared and the running dogs of a Gerakan deserted the Rakyat and joined BN ... all these made it even worse.

After many years of study, growing up, and having traveled afar to many places and meeting many people of different nationalities, my thinking finally matured and no longer harboured such deep feelings of hate for the Malays.

Finally, when I read about Nelson Mandela,, he became my role model, and I have striven to be exactly like him, placing the nation before petty personal feelings. So I can identify with what is going through that Chinaman's head (and heart) when he makes such misinformed and ignorant statements and can empathize with him, but also totally disagree with him and reject his view in totality.

Yes, I have been to Kelantan, and I know what goes on there, and all my Chinese friends there vote for PAS.

We need to leave our old emotional baggage behind and work together for Malaysia's future, and that is what all Malays, Chinese, Indians,
etc. must do !!!
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written by Negarakuku, March 17, 2008 18:19:41
Correct me if I am wrong. Songkok is not a Malay thing, I think is somewhere from India or Bangladesh. Is it topi haji, the tarbus and the kopiah are all of the same origin i.e. brought in by Arabs traders 650 years ago? If it is, it is Arabic culture not Malay (Malaysian) culture. Wearing sarong is Malay culture but maybe I am wrong because Thai wears Sarong too and in Myanmar you can see everybody are wearing sarong and inclusive their MP´s.

I also think that not only Chinese who feels reluctant of wearing a Songkok. This is the cause and effect of Islamophobia!
And we know that many Ulamaks and Politicians hijack Islam as their hidden agenda.

I wonder when Nik Aziz wears turban to swore in as CM before the Sultan of Kelantan, why no complain after all turban is not a Malay thing? smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
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written by Rhan, March 17, 2008 18:48:23
May i know if the education ministry issue a direction that all school children must wear a songkok on Friday, ok, not Friday but let say Monday, shall i agree or oppose? If i oppose then i become a racist? Don't tell me this case is difference, to me, the feeling and perception is the same.

It take the Chinese many years to decide giving our vote to PAS / PKR and we can't expect a immediate change in some of our perception on race and religion, this apply to the Malay who vote DAP, therefore could we compromise on what we agree first and slowly educate the Malaysian on the rest like songkok?
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written by Democrats, March 17, 2008 19:47:28
RPK, a great admirer of yours.

I think Emastulen is right in his observations.

I think in many of our preception, the songkok signifies more of a religious matter rather than race, like the kopiah. Somehow, its has always been synonymous with the mosque. The body hugging Kebaya is really sexy, the loose baju kurung look innocent yet creates a curiousity in people. If these clothings are mere fashion statements (of which only relates to race) i'm sure there's no problem among chinese and indians. However, I guess the education system never quite sort that one out - except the fact that most datuks have one somewhere . Wore once and have remained in display ever since.

I think asking the chinese to wear a songkok for the majority, is like asking them to convert to Islam (datukship requirements exempted), no different from asking a Malay to hang a crucifix in the house, or a statue of buddha somewhere. Never meant as an insult. Education....start there to clear confusion between religion and race heritage to close ranks to form Bangsa Malaysia.
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written by mei yen, March 17, 2008 20:37:28
RPK, the palace protocol is western suit, so why are you so adamant about Chinese wearing the Malay songkok. You seem to enjoy pitting the chinese against the Malays and trying to ram Malay ideologies down Chinese throats. Stop being biased, people listen to you and some I must say very blindly without giving thought to whatever you are putting forth to them. To these people you are a leader, so act like a one, Bring goodness out of people without inciting hatred. For everyone's info, Chinese have a name for title of datuk ... soda cap, you know, like the cap on beer bottles. And to all the Chinese who think that wearing a songkok is just a cap .... well, my Malay friends go buy a green color baseball cap and ask these follow the crowd Chinamen to put the green cap on and then tell me that it's alright.
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written by noyawns, March 17, 2008 20:43:08
Dear RPK
I agree : 'Can I sum up by saying that all Malaysians, irrespective of race, are racists.' - in fact everyone in the world are racists - efining it as thinking whatever is not familiar/their own, is probably to be feared. I think our grandparents took a while to accept their children would wear 'Western' clothing, say 70 years ago?! But it gre on them, nd us.

There certainly are China Katak - but then again, you find so many non-Malay ladies choosing to wear baju kurung to office - keyword is choose - so when all these keris waving, second-class citizen, etc has faded away, perhaps you may see all of Malaysia wearing Malaysian costume - whether it is baju kurung/songkok or whatever. Let's give each other a chance to know each other better. But the Sultan's rules in His palace - if the rule is crawl in, then the visitor must crawl in if want to enter -otherwise don't go!

BTW - Turkey is a SECULAR republic - not an Islamic state...not great example to debumk the fears of PAS/Islamic state. Yes - I go to Kelantan frequently, so far so good - but then it's not an Islamic state either, ya?

Thanks for your continued efforts in spearheading Malaysia - if we got it all right, Singapore would pengsan!
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written by cruzeiro, March 17, 2008 20:51:27

While RPK is right in saying that all Malaysian are racists, it should be remembered that most people (not all) really are to variable extents - and that is the Gospel truth.

I'm truly impressed with the "passion" that many exhibit in demonizing cultures/protocols that they have little understanding about,
but harbour plenty of prejudice about things as a result of flawed education/ perceptions and thinking.
Nor do many care to really know or understanding their fellow citizens.
It is sad they choose to defend their prejudices and ignorance, so passionately.

Many don't seem to realize that this "syndrome" is the result of the colonial methods, which were further reinforced into the minds of the electorate (ala DEB, Ketuanan Melayu, "Islamization", HP6 education) - and are thus victims of circumstances.

Ultimately it is the ruling elite that chose to propagate ideas of cultural exclusivism via the education system and wierd/ archaic laws, that are to blame.
Not the Chinese/ Indian or whatever .....

The people have been fed with images associated with inanimate objects, that speak of hatred for other cultures (?xenophobia) for decades on end.
In fact these ideas are propagated in schools from a very tender age.

In Malaysia however, "R&R"(race/religion) was staple diet for half a century, and was institutionalized with pride by all parties. The common man swallowed the bull - lock, stock and barrel, to become chauvinists themselves.

Racism, prejudice and discrimination has been made out to be "Truly Malaysian" by the Alliance/ BN, in every aspect/ facet of Malaysian life.
It has been marketed to the public with the condescending "Tolerance" which implies that it isn't really "Accepted" - accordingly, the people tolerate and do not accept another culture.
"Tolerance" is looked upon as something so good, while the need for "acceptance" is disregarded.

To blame the chinese or indian man on the street entirely would be very wrong, as the malay to had a big role to play in evoking such sentiments - we have the "social contract" of MCA, MIC & UMNO (UMNO Baru) wise guys to thank for all these misconceptions, prejudices, discrimination and hatred.

Let us hope the leaders that we elect would have the grey matter to set right these wrongs, instead of justifying these simple-minded ideas for political mileage among those who have been isolated culturally.
Meanwhile, we can only hope that the people will not give too much credit to the wrongs, and select such chauvinistic leaders to "defend" the "R&R" - unless it is made necessary via confrontational methods of communication.

We all need to unlearn the "xenophobic" ideas of the "social contract", and discard our prejudices.
This goes for people of all religions, races and color - yes, me too.

Hope BR can do something to build trust among the people.
Peace guys.
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written by batsman, March 17, 2008 21:05:35
MCA fellows having a gala time here. Malays are cursed by subsidies and corruption. Chinese are cursed by MCA and DAP.
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written by AsamLaksa, March 17, 2008 21:23:21
The Chinese are always suspicious of people different from them and are very close-minded. I distance myself from the Chinese pettiness and end up behaving un-Chinese-like.

There are many examples I can give but I will give a small selection.

Chinese are generally untrustful of dark skinned people. Shocking? It's the truth. I had Chinese, Taiwanese and Malaysian Chinese telling me to keep away from certain persons and I asked them why which they can't give a proper answer but just that they are from a darker skinned race. How could grown ups still have this sort of mentality??? By the way, a Korean friend was even worse as she feared Africans even though she had never spoken to one. However take note that there is an experiment done in the USA which showed that fairer people trust darker people less but the result is restricted to America only.

Chinese are very very protective of their Chinese identity so much so that they become inflexible. The songkok is one example above but there's also the batik and Baju Melayu. When I wore a batik I get surprised looks from my Chinese friends. In fact I wore batik to a few formal functions in Malaysia because I hate wearing ties. Heck, I would rather wear a songkok than wear a tie! My father has songkoks he wears for formal events. What I don't have is red clothes. So come CNY, I don't wear red. There's double standards too as Chinese will abide with other forms of dress code but just can't be seen to submit to being Malay yet have less truck about wearing a sari.

The Chinese attitude towards BM is horrendous. Many of them who grew up and work in Malaysia have trouble carrying out a decent conversation in BM. Why??? It's your national language! Have the Chinese no pride in being Malaysians???

Don't ley me start on the Chinese school issue. Instead of fighting for Chinese schools, why not fight for better schools across the board?

So here we are after DAP, PKR and PAS did well in the elections. We all have seen sandiwara by BN leaders but here again we see sandiwara by especially DAP. What's all the fuss with a Deputy MB or CM??? Want to waste office space? If they create a deputy post just to please the various races, then I say forget it. If you want to please the races, then do a good work and forget about deputy posts.

With this kind of mentality, DAP will never be fully accepted by the Malays and will never be able to form any government on their own. Why? Because the Malays are the majority! Even in Penang, DAP alone do not have a simple majority. DAP would be nowhere without Anwar who allayed the fears of the Malays and Chinese in Penang. Champion of the Chinese? Yeah, right... more like pandering to Chinese close-mindedness which we do not need.

Anyway, hopefully the new generation of Chinese will not be trapped in this pointless mentality.
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written by harrbm, March 17, 2008 21:28:31

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With due respect, can a daring someone from PKR/DAP/PAS propose that all DYMM Sultans in Malaysia to defer their kedaulatan and their age old traditions where songkok is concern because some Chinese Malaysians are very sensitive about it.

My goodness YM RPK, what have we got here?

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written by harrbm, March 17, 2008 21:53:33

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Since some songkok sensitive chinese are it, why not propose a multi racial costume of their origin when meeting Sultans. Chinese wear Kung Fu clothes, Indian with their costumes and Malays with keris and all. Only reps of european origin will be allowed to wear suits.

how? can ? can la. only this way Malaysians will remain Malaysian of multi race and multi attitudes.

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written by AsamLaksa, March 17, 2008 22:03:46
Kent chong, what sort of betrayal is wearing a songkok??? Your ancestors did ok under the Manchu dress code.

Mei yen, you do not see the bigger picture. Songkok is only a part of the picture. Ask yourself what is Malaysia's national costume and does a shirt and tie fall under it? What is so wrong for a Chinese to wear a songkok, baju Melayu or baju kurung? Many Chinese already pakai sarong. I have seen Chinese students who wear the baju kurung style uniform on their own choice because it's more confortable than a pinafore. If you argue about freedom of choice you may win a point but freedom of choice do not rule out dress codes and national costumes when it's required.

Democrats, wearing a songkok is far far short of converting to Islam. If you believe it is such then the problem is definitely not with the songkok.

Rhan, if the Ministry of Education made it compulsory to wear a songkok on specific days, I would not oppose. In fact I'd rather have that than wearing ties during Monday assemblies at my old school. Heck, why not ask why is there a need for uniform in schools anyway? Why wear ties? It's a bloody Western concept that is forced down our throats yet you do not get complaints (except from me). The problem here is that you see songkok = Melayu. So it's not ok to be seen as Melayu but ok to be seen as Western.

I do not know how the songkok became a religious item. It never is. There is nothing holy or sacred about the songkok. It's like a hat. You can go to a shop and anyone can buy it. My father has at least 2 for formal functions and I have worn it for fun. I used to think kopiah = Islam but later I saw other faiths wearing similar head coverings.

Orangmsia, are you disappointed RPK make an issue about the songkok? I welcome it because I want true harmony and unity, not one where all is nice on the outside but people still suspicious of the others. Just like how Chinese fear PAS style Islamic state. I am all for basic freedoms (expression, association, religion, etc.) and rights, and if an Islamic state can uphold those, then I have no complaints. To me secularism and democracy is far from perfect and I'm still looking out for a better form of government. Saying that, I am still anti-Taliban not because they are an Islamic government but because they oppressed their citizens.
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written by AsamLaksa, March 17, 2008 22:08:49
harrbm
Since some songkok sensitive chinese are it, why not propose a multi racial costume of their origin when meeting Sultans. Chinese wear Kung Fu clothes, Indian with their costumes and Malays with keris and all. Only reps of european origin will be allowed to wear suits.


No problem. Propose it to the monarchs. Until they approve it, you have to stick to the old ptotocols.
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written by Tlau, March 17, 2008 22:08:58
This songkok issue is getting into the nerves of all these commenters. I think everyone has the freedom to wear what they feel comfortable with as long as it is decent enough. They should not be compel to wear something which they don't like.

Will a malay lady who is usually in tudung and baju kurung attire change to wear the chinese cheongsam with the sexy slit high up to the thigh if she has to meet the chinese emperor? ( if there is one ).I am sure the Malays will stir a big issue over it.

Same here with the songkok issue. If the chinese are not comfortable with wearing the songkok, don't make a big issue out of it. Don't compel.
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written by harrbm, March 17, 2008 22:17:32

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I am suggesting DAP or PKR or PAS to propose it for the sake of songkok sensitve Chinese Malaysians ADUN. Wouldn't it be brilliant political move?

oh my god, this is really entertaining.

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written by harrbm, March 17, 2008 22:35:50
Will a malay lady who is usually in tudung and baju kurung attire change to wear the chinese cheongsam with the sexy slit high up to the thigh if she has to meet the chinese emperor? ( if there is one ).I am sure the Malays will stir a big issue over it.

Ah Tiau ah... what a comparison ! You are so brilliantly creative la. I would want to see Rafidah doing this.

so, if Rafidah take the challenge, will you songkok sensitive chinese malaysians change your stand on songkok?

ha ha ha.

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written by Marcus, March 17, 2008 22:51:10
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Greetings fellow Malaysians and respected RPK.
As a chinese in malaysia that have lived in Kuantan for many years and "migrated" to Selangor and having mix friends of all races in both study and work, i would like to share some points here on my personal observation of this songkok thing.

I can only apply this to myself as i cannot speak for others.
If given a set of malay clothes, the kind that as you can see in the picture above of Hishammudin, i have no problem wearing it. So i will have no reservation to wear one , infact it seems like fun (i am 35 this year so its not some teen whimsical fad)

If i am asked to wear a songkok however, immediately there is this feeling of
uncomfortable and if i would analyze myself further, i come to the conclusion that wearing a songkok indirectly pulls some peer pressure from other chinese with their weird stare and gazes. This of course is imaginary pressure and not real, but since the mind cannot differentiate between real or induced images, feelings follow suit.

So, let me ask each chinese here honestly, what if, no chinese is around. Do you mind wearing a songkok? Heck, i wouldnt mind at all, might even wear a few design and look in the mirror for the perfect fit.

Thus i would conclude, at least on myself, instead of reacting to an uncomfortable feeling when asked to wear a songkok, face the real culpit, the imaginary pressure, and you will soon find that wearing a songkok is really nothing to be feared or uncomfortable. If the host house rules is to wear one, then by all means, wear one.

Peace on all Malaysians
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written by justice6, March 17, 2008 23:06:10
...most Malaysian need to reprogram their mindset.. cos all this while, in govt school, the govt have brainwashed all into racist.. this is the same as telling the racist to switch from win95 to winXP.... those who are already racist, they will never change 100%... the only way is to program our new generation to be anti racist... this start from school...
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written by greeneyesjelly, March 17, 2008 23:37:48
i would like to explain a bit on this so-called "songkok issue".

In my primary school days whenever i m to fill in the "religion" column in any form i was told to put down "Buddhist".

"Because i m Chinese so i m a Buddhist," i accepted this for a very long time, and i took the praying to patung-patung (served as "avatar" of various deities) in chinese's house (especially in kampung) and the rituals as Buddhism.

And only after i made friends to more enlightened seniors during my secondary school days that i know not all Chinese are Buddhist, and what i'd been perceived as "Buddhism rituals" in all those years are in fact not "Buddhism" at all. A lot of those patung-patung and the "rituals" are actually more based on twisted-interpretation-of-"Taoism" origin.

But this finding failed to impress my parents and other relatives because they have been doing so for so long that they think they are "Buddhist", and i bet there are still a lot of "Buddhist" Chinese tell you so.

A misconception of a whole generation.

Same situation applies to the songkok issue. A lot of Chinese still misconceive that songkok is a part of Islamic (read: religious) attire. Like a Muslim/Christain will resist to hold a bunch of lit incense sticks and bow to the patung-patung, the same can explain why Chinese resists to wear songkok (let's not starting the "praying to the patung-patung is not a religion thus uncomparable to Islam/Christian" debate).

Essentially, the "songkok issue" is more of a religious issue (to a lot of Chinese) than a race issue.

The action of the Chinese politicians are projection of the Chinese community's mindset, "people are the boss", remenber? With lesser and lesser Chinese youth wish to involve in politics (they might be the enlightened bunch), the politicians mostly answer to the senior ones and these are the people that have had such misconception for their whole life.

The root of the problem is misunderstanding, which i guess the previous governments know but did not wish to rectify because such actions are contradict to their way of ruling. And i sincerely hope the new government will do something, but of course not the "filem penerbitan negara" way.
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written by NancyL, March 18, 2008 01:46:46
Hi RPK,
I have a sis who used to work in UOB Bank in KL.... there were more than 90% chinese employees...I admit that she is quite a smart & determine lady ...however her workmates and boss always said that she is slow....lembab....malas...and they even said that she should not get the scholarship as there were alot of chinese who were more deserving.....basically all the while she was there they tortured her mentally and verbally...I remembered when my grandad died and she had to go back to Kuching...her boss only gave permission for one or two days off included weekends so my sis had to lie to her boss by saying that there was no ticket available...when that b***h knew she didnt come to work she went amok...my sis hold to her post for 5 yrs....then came a new chinese colleague...they gave her less works...and promote her instead of my sis... which was not fair compare to the tonees of workload that my sis had and her seniority...when they heard rumours that she wanted to resign...then they intend to promote her so that she wont leave....but when she insist on her decision her boss smashed and threaten her with nasty words...and said shes not grateful ...the section that my sis incharged with was closed now because none of them were able to handle the works like her......

There are lots of stories like this....everybody knows.....

RPK the big question is not about who is rascist ....but the question is WHO IS MORE RASCIST ....MALAY TOWARDS THE CHINESE OR CHINESE TOWARDS THE MALAY?
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written by red door, March 18, 2008 01:49:12



Chegubard has got no problem wearing Chinese Traditional Shirt.
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written by NancyL, March 18, 2008 02:03:44
To continue my story.....my sis now working in EXIM Bank which is predominantly Malay and a handful of chinese employees...she told me the Malays there are so kind to the chinese workers that during Raya when the office received lots of hampers and when the chinese asked for it ...they gave him the best hamper in the office.....thats when my sis and one of her colleague who had the experienced of working in the majority chinese environment made a remark that Malays will not be treated like this if it was vice versa....

so the question is WHO IS MORE RASCIST ....MALAY TOWARDS THE CHINESE OR CHINESE TOWARDS THE MALAY? TEPUK DADA TANYA SELERA....
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written by Beautiful Mind, March 18, 2008 02:06:16
Reading one or two comments here is evident that we simply cannot remove bigotry, racism and prejudice
easily. 50 years of Barisan Nasional rule has created a wide rift and gap between people of different race and this to some people has been orchestrated for two main purpose to divide and rule ie. to weaken the Opposition, and also to ensure it's survival. Unity among fellow Malaysian will mean the Barisan Nasional grip on power will slowly diminished.

Barisan Nasional will play with the sentiments of the Malay and keep bringing-up the infamous race riot only to scare the Malays what would happened if Chinese gain control.

That was 40 years ago and even after 4 decades Barisan Nasional still play the race cards. It is because of this, we all must try and bridge this mis-understang and the mis-conception so that we can work together and trust each other without a wedge between us. The songkok issue is a very small matter. Personally l dont think it is a big issue people make it out to be. The Chinese will not be seen selling their race if they wear the songkok during the Istana Ceremony. If the Istana protocol will require everybody including the Mat Salleh and the Aussie to wear the songkok...they will do that and they will do that without any problem...l bet. Why do we have make it such a big deal ?.

If you were to visit a mosque, a Chinese To Kong or an Indian Temple there are certain guidelines that people need to adhere to not because of anything political but people need to respect the rules and customs.

We all live in Malaysia and everybody must abide by the rules laid by the Istana. The Chinese cannot simply dis-obey them just to make a stance. They will make a nuisance of themselves and you know who..Barisan Nasional will capitalise on this and there will be mayhem.

We all must stay united and the birth of PKR is a god-send to us all. Every single one of us has a part to play to ensure that there is perpaduan among us, we can walk hands in hand and work for the same universal objective that is to create a peaceful country and ensure it's survival.

It is utmost important to keep the peace and stability of the country not just for us but also for our future generation. We all need to make sure that citizens have the right to practice their own religion in the way they are suppose to, the right to live in peace without harassment, the right to be treated equal – which is what PKR is trying to achieve.

We still have a long way to go to try and reduce friction and mis-trust amongst us and the ugly rascism. This will need to start from very young age, from school etc. The single race school like my former school at Jalan Cheras ( I believe it has now moved to Putrajaya) is certainly not a way forward. Children must be taught to mingle and mix with each other at a very young age. To understand each others' culture and way of life to respect the varied religion that we have and to see each others as being equal. Parents also have a part to play and if parents are racist themselves it is likely that the children will become one when they grow up.

But for now, DAP-PKR-PAS has a huge mountain to climb not just to spread to good word on maintaining unity and understanding between us but also to ensure that the visions that we have promised to the rakyat be carried out at the first opportunity.
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written by renoir, March 18, 2008 04:33:56
Dear all, my response to Milo in "Storm in a Songkok" (below) might offer a bigger perspective on this topic.

The group I call "older generation Chinese" isn't really a monolithic entity. Just as not all UMNO or PAS Malays think in the same manner, and not all Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, etc, follow a common agenda. I'm in my 60s, and nearly all my life I've been on good terms with people I considered as genuine Muslims (I, myself, almost converted). I shared much of my thoughts with them, and was struck by their sense of decency. Once I had some correspondence with a PAS guy called "Shafie" and found him to be straightforward yet courteous (about 5-6 years ago he said he'd reprinted my article on PAS and Islam and distributed them to the Muslim community in London). Shafie said it would take decades before Malays would accept a Chinese PM. I think the results of this election might shock him!

Longtime readers know that I've always been an advocate of an Alternative Front with PAS as a member - just a few months ago I had long arguments with some people over the desirability of including PAS in this setup (in Dr. Azly's column), when most M-T readers agreed only on a DAP-PKR tie-up). What happened these few weeks, therefore, is most gratifying and I felt like it's time to end my participation in N-T, until all this recent problems about party representations start cropping up.

Anyway, here's the posting - readers are advised to ***** the article itself to see the many postings there about the songkok.

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>The wisest thing to do is not critisize and threaten those who held such sensitivity, but to influence them by understanding them and through proper education.]]

Well said, Milo. Right from the beginning, I'd said, like you, that I'd no difficulty wearing a songkok. And in my postings on this matter, I'd proposed that those who'd felt the brunt of racial discrimination should nevertheless be magnanimous and "reach out to one another, and a simple first step could be obeying protocol set by the sultan."

The only difference between us and those who want the same thing is a call to understand why certain older-generation Chinese reacted to the songkok the way they did. As you said, "the wisest thing to do is not critisize and threaten those who held such sensitivity, but to influence them by understanding them and through proper education."

This group of older generation Chinese reacted to what they perceived as racial discrimination by rejecting customs and mores - religious or racial - from the dominant race. That's not something we condone, though in a sense such reaction is much, much, milder than Hindraf telling the whole world that our government is pactising "ethnic cleansing." There were even allegations that Hindraf had connections with the Tamil Tiger terrorists, though I haven't seen any proof of that. Despite such rumors - mostly baseless, I think - I'd supported the demonstrations because that's about the only way the marginalization of Indians could be brought out into the open. Whatever the case, here are two different reactions to racial discrimination: one by rejecting the norms and culture of the dominant group, and the other by organizing and encouraging demonstrations all over the world against that group, to the extent that charges of ethnic cleansing and religious extremism were thrown against the said group. Both the Chinese and Indians should understand that perhaps, just perhaps, they can get what they want not merely through passive rejection (in the case of the Chinese) or through active demonstrations (in the case of the Indians), but also through reaching out, showing goodwill, to the other side. For the older generation Chinese, this would include acceptance of certain Malay cultural elements as national culture. For Indians, it would involve self-restraint in throwing mud against the Malay authorities with accusations of ethnic cleansing and religious extremism.

LChuah
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written by johanssm, March 18, 2008 05:03:30
Yup, Malaysian Chinese are a strange breed altogether.
Most of them do read the news everyday without fail but yet they do have a "barrier" in their head.
The Selangor MP from DAP by the name of Teng is a classic example.
While he and his DAP party fights about anti racist and "Bangsa Malaysia", he actually refuses to wear the "songkok" head gear just for a ceremony.
But i will bet all my marbles that Teng dont need to think twice about wearing or even to the extend of renting a Batik shirt to enter the Casino de la Genting for his favourite game of BlackJack !

Please do educate them, as just by wearing a "songkok" , i am sure JAKIM/MAIS/MAWI or whatever Kais Mais wont be coming to claim his body when he is dead.
Many Malaysian Chinese have the phobia.Islamophobia lah.
Ask any Chinese next to you RPK, ask them what is "AZAN " prayers and they will tell you that it is actually " Malay Kau " literally means Malay religion or ugama Melayu !

Ask them what is Allah and they replies never fails to be " Malay San" means Malay God !
But when ask about latest mobile phone in the market..they can tells you the model number and the brand precisely!
Funny eh ?
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written by Malaysian Abroad, March 18, 2008 06:22:12
Symbolic Importance of Dress

I think that there is an issue here not just for the Chinese but also for the way that Malays view people who are not Malay but who wear Malay dress. I was staying at a KL hotel with my wife, who is a Mat Salleh. She was wearing Malay dress and was terribly upset when a bellboy audibly made a mockery of her. This is because the Malay boy clearly invested a lot of feeling in the idea of his national dress, a lot of pride and possessiveness.


This kind of pride is completely understandable, however, it does present a massive barrier to other people who want to wear the dress as a mark of respect. Malays might also see that forcing other groups to wear ‘their’ dress or headgear is a symbol of their dominance. I can imagine how I would feel if forced to wear Chinese clothing.

Dress is an important sign of identity. I think that this might be underestimated here. Because of the tensions, it acquires even more symbolic importance and, as the fight over tudung in Turkey proves, the symbolic value increases exponentially as soon as it is forced or banned.
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written by Marcus, March 18, 2008 06:28:17
Nancy,

I am sorry to hear that your sister joined a company with a racist boss. But i doubt its fair that you use one case to make a racial view of how all other chinese-led companies do. You can visit my company for eg and interview the malay that i hired and ask them if they are mistreated in anyway, I hold equal treatment regardless of race. If you post your email address i would gladly email you my office address.

The point is, for every case that you brought up, there can be 10 other cases of the opposite given by the chinese, for eg, of chinese docs working in General Hospital that were never promoted in years and that a much younger and junior malay doc promoted etc, etc etc.

People tend to hold unforgiveness for many things, for eg, if a chinese fails to get a good job, he can blame it all the way to the university quota where he only qualifies for "pertanian" where-else his malay peers with equal results get to do "engineering".

With such mentality, when do you think this will end? Your suggestion that chinese are more racist than malay are exactly the kind of sentiments that needs to be cleared, you need to forgive and move on, the same goes for the rest of those chinese/indians that holds your views in the opposite direction.

The whole point of the electoral 2008 is to have a new beginning, having begin in unity, are we foolish to complete it in racial segregration? Have the people voted in vain? Nay,let us instead look towards the goal here and strip ourselves of these old baggages that will bog us down in our unity race for a true malaysian identity.

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written by Malaysian Abroad, March 18, 2008 06:31:27
Symbolic Importance of Dress Pt 2

… I’m actually a big fan of multiculturalism. There should be no difficulty in having a single nation of Malaysians, but comprised of a rich variety of cultures and dresses. Ideally, we should let Chinese, Hindus, Sikhs, Malays and others say what their most respectful dress would be, then let them wear it so that we can all enjoy the colourful spectacle. I realise that this would need to be done in easy steps.

Respect does not need compromise. It just needs tolerance and good will.
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written by teo siew chin, March 18, 2008 08:54:41
And that is why royalty deserves the high praise and respect from the rakyat.
They do not let trivialities get in the way of major tasks, like running a govornment.
They set the protocol, THEY are the ones to judge whether protocol is not adhered to, and THEY are the ones that mete out punishment, if appropriate.

Notice that there have been occasions where the songkok was not donned by non-malays in an audience before royalty. Did we hear "Off with his head!" ?

That is why royalty shall remain above us mere peasants.
DAULAT TUANKU!
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written by lokenpal, March 18, 2008 10:00:16
not songket but songkok lah...lol
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written by wiltda13, March 18, 2008 10:05:15
Banana Kwailo.. Haha!
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written by brancha, March 18, 2008 10:08:14
“Chinese is a superior race in Malaysia” – kepala hotak kau!
That kind of thinking is xactly the very ‘shit’ foundation of racism.

I read a book on the Soong sisters (Seagrave) – I must say it’s a good read to understand the character of the ‘superior chinese’ – and let me tell you…all I see is cowardice, betrayals, corruptions, gangsterism, and greed, self-interests, betrayals, self-interests, betrayals, cowardice, kow-towing to the west and the reds, greed and cowardice, and cowardice. Just can’t see any superior qualities.

And the book covers a broad range of personalities including the Sun Yat Sen, Chang Kai Shek, etc.

Read it yourself.

No wonder Mao Tse Tung had an easy walk-over.

BREAKING NEWS:
Your Creator said this:-
“O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! The noblest of you in the sight of God, is the best in conduct. Lo! God is Knower, Aware.”
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written by NancyL, March 18, 2008 10:08:59
Hi Marcus,
First of all I would like to tell you that neither me nor my sis hold any grudge towards chinese....to us that is normal.... it happens everywhere..it is to us a norm in life...thats part of experience in life that we must go thru...no hard feelings....anyway we ourselves have chinese blood ...we cant deny that....and we always believe that GOD is always fair...
Secondly....I didnt say that chinese is more racist...I just ask you guys to think further who is more?...just to have a thought...whatever it is, it is immaterial...
Thirdly....my main point was not about the promotion it was about the treatment of an individual to another....you have to admit that it is indeed a norm that their own people take care of their own more than the others when come to promotion or jobs ....but what about the kindness, the decency and the sympathy....anyway I didnt say just a BOSS...I said also her WORKMATES.....I have to admit that Malay are softer and kinder when it comes to how to treat people...

I am happy...honestly really happy that there are chinese like you....from your comments I know you have good and kind heart...but how many of us are like that?...how long will all the race think like you?....and whats the plan of the current government to turn around the way of Malaysians thinking now?....

You see… I think Malays they were not angry about the abolishment of DEB in PP....but the way of how the current govt handle it...how could a new govt. which is just barely a day in power set their first goal in office that is to abolish DEB when they havent even told the people of their new back up plan...is that professional??....if they have better senses they would have waited for few days then tell the people of abolishment of DEB and how their new system will fit in.
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written by lokenpal, March 18, 2008 10:21:36
I rather see our public servant wear a suit and a songkok, rather than only a suit. Perhaps chinese and indians style customes should be promoted. Maybe, Samy Vellu can start wearing vastee to work..lol but could be a good step for him to start repenting..mainly that malaysian indians are 8% and commit 50% of crimes; and too much more.
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written by brancha, March 18, 2008 10:42:54
Racism begets racism…discrimination begets discrimination !!
Question of who is more racist is moot and of no significance!

You beat me, I’ll beat you back. What..you think I’ll give you the other cheek? What do you think May 13 and NEP represents? You know it. I know it. You just won’t admit it!

It’s more like who started it first?
Who has it ingrained and tattooed in his black heart. I sure hope like tattoo however difficult it is to remove , can be removed. Takes a lot of scrubbing.

You ask yourselves that.

I think the malays howver poorly some of them have behaved lately and portrayed themselves as, are actually very tolerant and kind people. You know that, and I know you know that!
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written by noyawns, March 18, 2008 11:53:54
Dear NancyL - respectfully remind that Bernama was the one who screwed up the new Penang CM's announcement - he said he wanted open tender unlike in NEP, and our dear MSM screwed him and the public by saying he wanted to abolish NEP - just to mess up things.

Just trying not to inflame people again rgd NEP - a system where there is Meritocracy to spearhead growth, yet a Helping hand for those who need it should be acceptable to all, right? Instead of allowing a millionaire bumi to get his multimillion riggit home(s) with a 5-7% discount? Better give to all the displaced people. Hopefully with better governance the nation will progress further. I think BN lost its way, and now we are all left with the mess and prejudices - wasn't like this way back. Sabar la.
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written by teo siew chin, March 18, 2008 13:02:27
You said it Brancha!
Totally agree with you.
So people, better start scrubbing!
And many malays are indeed poor -
the population of the malays are the highest
and they are the most deprived
Yet there are tolerant and kind in their poverty
Just help them. period.
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written by cheekhiaw, March 18, 2008 13:22:13
While compromises should work both ways, people should bear in mind that there is a difference between trying to compromise with a one-option man and that with a man open to multiple options.

One of that is of course not really a compromise unless you redefine the meaning of that term.

xxx
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written by mook dawson, March 18, 2008 13:35:44
It's time that people, regardless of race, starts to change their perception towards each others.

People are racist because of their limited exposure and understanding to various culture and religion, and they obviously did not try to mix around with other races apart of their own. It had to do with their social upbringing, education (formal and informal) and as well as one's maurity in their thoughts.

Costume does not equate to religion but a mere identity of some community. I wear Baju Melayu with Songkok when i visit my friend's house during Raya. It is just a sign of respect, besides it was fun. Wearing a costume does not make me or someone a different person.

Having to say, options must be also given and should not made it mandatory. Compromise works both ways

Cheers. Just my thought
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written by cheekhiaw, March 18, 2008 13:53:06
People can choose to have fun with others' costumes but they should not get to choose to have fun with others' liberty.

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written by techhobby, March 18, 2008 14:32:19
I just starting reading your columns and I do respect your opinions. You are entitled to them; and looks like a lot of people agree with your opinions mostly as well.

However, I have to disagree with this article's premise. It is difficult for a Malay to understand growing up in Malaysia as a non-Malay. Imagine all your life, starting from primary school, all the way to university education, buying a house, owning a company, etc etc - where you as a non-Malay are treated as second-rate citizen BY LAW. It is not only discriminatory in practice, it is demeaning to non-Malay CITIZENS (Rakyat) who contribute just as much economically to building the country. Do Malays pay more taxes, is that why they qualify for better treatment by the government?

My point is: the government cannot expect all citizens to say "I am Malaysian" and think of the country first, race second; when in fact the government practices such discriminatory acts on a daily basis, and the same government threatens or jail its non-Malay citizens when such "rights" are questioned.

Opinions are like ass-holes. Everyone has one. I can see your point in this article, and since your opinion may influence a lot of readers, I felt compelled to share my thoughts as well, and hopefully can shed some light on the non-Malay's point of view. Are you willing to consider my opinion?

Hopefully, as concerned citizens who want the best for OUR country, we can put aside our racial differences briefly, and analyze the laws and regulations and "perks" in place, to see if we can elect a government that actually practices what it preaches: think of the Country first. (Not think of the Malays first.)
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written by techhobby, March 18, 2008 14:43:22
By the way, culturally I think most Malaysians are appreciative of our brothers and sisters of other races. Think of the festive Hari Raya or Deepavali or Chinese New Year holidays. Most of us have friends who are of different races and we enjoy visiting each other.

Culturally, wearing each other's traditional costume is a gesture of goodwill and respect. I support that.

In the current state of affairs in Malaysia though, a non-Malay wearing a Malay costume can potentially have political repercussions. Now, such cultural-exchanges have become tainted with ugly politics. That, my friend, is why non-Malays may be reluctant to wear Malay costumes. It's the political undercurrent, not the cultural aspect that people are turned off by.

By the way, I would bet that most Chinese and Indian and other non-Malays are actually more Malaysian than whatever their race is. Growing up as a Chinese, I still know and care way more about Malaysia than I do about China. China is where my ancestors came from - not my home. Malaysia is my home. I care about the future of this country for myself, my family, and my future children.

I would also bet that every reader here would have no problem compromising with each other and living in harmony. However, that would hurt the pocket books and prospects of a lot of our politicians who gain from our distrust and hate between each other. The more they can isolate us and make us hate or fear each other, the more they can use such sentiments to their profit.

We can stop this messy slide between races. We just have to decide to do so. Go outside and talk to someone from a different race. Try to understand their needs and thoughts of the current political situation. Share ideas and be kind to each other. We can succeed, DESPITE our political leaders.
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written by nonpartisan73, March 18, 2008 15:00:32
Hmm, to be Malaysia for Malaysian, it should start from as early as primary school. Stop all Sekolah Kebangsaan (C) & (T) and stay in one school. Then, build the spirit from there. Malaysia for Malaysian. Enough segregations.
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written by Sagaladoola, March 18, 2008 16:15:39
nonpartisan73 ... under the current national governance, I will not recommend that .... Poor governance of schools will make it national disunity instead of national unity.

Regards,
http://sagaladoola.********.com
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written by ksra, March 18, 2008 18:33:21
Hi Techhobby,
I believe your responses spoke the mind of many many chinese malaysia. Discriminations are not only in Malaysia but everywhere and there are many types of discriminations. Just to name a few, gender, handicapp, sex preferences and etc. However, what chinese and indian of Malaysia or any human being cannot tolerate is racism especially practice by government which is call institutional discrimination or second class citizen. I think abolishing the institutional discrimination should be the top priority of the government which include all the parties. It is my opinion that any party that does not support abolishing institutional discrimination is not qualify to govern Malaysia or will not be able to bring unity in Malaysia. Therefore, should be voted out in the next election.
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written by mrgoh, March 18, 2008 21:10:35
Please read my reply on the issue at:

http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/4594/1/
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written by AsamLaksa, March 19, 2008 05:41:21
NancyL, I symphatise with your sister's plight. If what you say it true and if it happened in the UK, she could sue for unfair dismissial as she can argue she left due to discrimination. What you have there is a bad boss and bad work system. It happens everywhere and the real question is what worker protection is there for your sister. Perhaps it's time to push for more worker protection in Malaysia.
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written by picadilly, March 19, 2008 10:57:01
RPK, just when we tought malays like you did not exist, we get to see millions of them.. just been camoflauged by UMNO and its forcing upon your throat all things malay during the mahatir era..

My uncle who grew up in a kampung was adopted by a Malay family who brought him up as their son, No, they didnt convert him They called him Man. (short of rahman) his name was raman. anyway cut the story short, he grew up with them but also came back to his estate during school holiday. both cultures were acceptable for him.

every year aidlifitri is celebrated with thier family, and you can see the closeness between them and their siblings with him, even though he married an indian and they celebrate deepavali..

This was something common 50 years ago. all sounds so natural, in fact 50 years ago seems more Malaysia than today. something must have happened in between..

why this rejection to anything malay?? how come 20 years ago, The indians who studied in sekolah kebangsaan are sending their children more to tamil schools..

what is the paradigm. why is the previous generation able to grasp and read jawi but the current generation is perceiving it as ARABic (which is not)

something has to be done. RPK, some study must be done. UMNO's way of forcing people to stay together in dorm of university campuses is not going to work.
It has to be cultivated from the young itself. The 'keling', 'Apek' & 'melayu kayu' retort has to go..

why did everyone in the previous generation share so much with P.RAMLI movies but unable to accept the movies my awie & erra?? my genereation was also into badul & OS but as we go to the future its becoming more divisional...

somehing is terribly wrong with this picture.
and the root has been sowed 50 years of UMNO rule..
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written by picadilly, March 19, 2008 11:14:10
one more thing on songkok,

I have seen songkok at a Hindu Temple at Tg.Tuan in Port dickson.
This was kept in the alter (maybe keramat) but always kept me wondering.

above the songkok is written on the wall 1316 M. (masihi?) how did this interwine, malaysians have lots more stories like this to share.
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written by techhobby, March 19, 2008 15:59:43
All, here in the US, the speech by Obama on RACISM in US is being heralded as one of the most important speeches in recent history. Just thought I'd share his transcript in case it is not shown in Malaysia.

An important aspect in his speech is regarding the anger held by both whites and blacks in the US. I feel that this is something we Malaysians can learn from.

By the way, there is something called "Affirmative Action" in the US, which is along the same concept as the Malaysian Social Contract, but not nearly as racist / drastic as the Malaysian version. In the US, companies are encouraged to hire people from all races, ages, genders, etc - diversity is something to be proud of. In fact many state contracts award to contractors who have a more diverse staff (sometimes racial diversity can be up to 20% of the score / requirement of the contract). In Malaysia, however, it is slightly different: we must hire Malays in key positions in order to win the contracts.

A bit of background in case you don't know: Obama's former pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, was televised preaching a fiery sermon, which included words like "God Damn America"... condemning the racial / political situation.

(In Malaysia, a speech like this, from a minority group attacking the majority race, will probably land the speaker in a nice jail cell. We as Malaysians really should try to learn from this important episode in US racial issues.)

Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...7908.shtml


=========================== Quote from parts of his speech ============

The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race. Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

Like the anger within the black community, these resentments aren't always expressed in polite company. But they have helped shape the political landscape for at least a generation. Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends.

============= END QUOTE ================
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written by fizzymat, March 19, 2008 16:12:53
RPK, u don't understand why Chinese scared of PAS turning Malaysia into an Islamic state? Well, I think non-Muslims just don't want Islamic values to be imposed on them. Did PAS really paint a pretty picture of Islam in Kelantan? Well, we hear about restrictions on entertainment, drinking, attire. In the Middle East, we hear of attacks on non-Muslims, on Muslims who convert out, of demolitions of other places of worship, of restrictions on other beliefs. Who's to know that non-Muslims' rights in Malaysia will not further deteriorate under an Islamic state?

Imagine, Malaysia being declared a Buddhist state, or Hindu or Christian state, for that matter. Would Muslims not mind it? Probably we get the same answers as to why non-Muslims do not want an Islamic state imposed on them.

About the songkok issue, lets reverse things around. Instead of the songkok, what if the Chinese round cap was made the compulsory attire? Wouldn't non-Chinese object? Why? Probably for the same reasons why non-Malays object to wearing the songkok.

Yes, we are all racist. But for Malaysia to prosper, we need to stop being racist. All policies and practices that differentiate people based on race should be curtailed or stopped altogether, so that we are all just known as Malaysian. And RPK has pointed it out correctly, compromise works both ways.
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written by Milo, March 19, 2008 16:14:40
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written by Milo, March 19, 2008 16:15:43
Reposted from another tread:

I take chilli but my son can't stand the burning sensation. I never understood why he is so different. Now, if I am in the Palace and all the food are cooked with chilli because the Sultan ordered so, I will have no problem, but my son will have.

More neutral than the Songkok, the chilli is non-religious, and even non-cultural, so will my son offend the Sultan by refusing the food?

Sensitivity, preference and liking are a group of very personal thing. I am not sensitive to the songkok does not mean I prefer to wear one; I prefer to follow the protocol to wear the songkok does not mean I like the protocol. Even if I like and prefer the protocol does not mean everyone must be and feel the same as me. Even if everyone do not mind does not mean it is fair to have such a protocol knowingly compelling others to wear something that is known to be uncomfortable in degree to some.

Like sex discrimination, it is never about sex, it is about power. Some do not mind being discriminated or even used as a door mat, some do in various degree.

If a protocol is unwise or unfair, having the power to demand its compliance will not change its character. I do not mind to go along because I think of the big picture. But for some, surrendering this right may represent THE big picture or it affects the future big picture of what they have in mind - equality, fairness and dignity! Since my Big Picture and theirs are framed vastly different, how can I judge them wrong based on my own frame?
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written by Ireland, March 19, 2008 18:07:23
Dear friends,
as far as i could recall, songkok or baju melayu does not in anyway resembling MUSLIM, but i believe that would be the same if there would be any muslim/malay would want to wear Indian or Chinese attire for formal gathering.... i don't know.... but this whole thing does not make sense at all.... we are all human anyway, aren't we....? what dress got to do with who you are when you born dress-less..... think about it...
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written by mykeyboard, March 19, 2008 18:54:42
RPK,

You made me laugh to the max with this one! Really love the datukship paragraphs! Ya la; check in The Star or any other newspapers after any Sultan's birthday!

I do believe though that the kampung Malays, kampung baru Chinese and the estate Indians; even Sikhs, have the tendency to disregard certain respect and values towards other races in their communities. How did this come about? Misinformation, mis-education and mis-representation, I think. It's all about the lies that had been widespread since long ago. That could also be the reason why when it comes to "vote anything else and not BN", it's only the west coast that went for it (except for Kelantan, of course). Johor, Melaka, NS and Perlis still have big areas of undeveloped kampungs of all races that needs to be covered and educated.

We urban folks are more receptive, more exposed, more everything. I know a pub that I'm at once a week in PJ; where Indian lawyers and IT people, Chinese advertising execs and workshop mechanics, plus a few Malays like me who hangs out at, and discuss race or politic matters that we most of the time laugh about. The Indians can condemn the Sikhs, the Sikhs can condemn the Indians back, the Chinese can ridicule the Malays and we just look at the whole thing as a way of living a peaceful community life. In the later part, we get serious to other matters more professional to our lives and that's it. Everyone goes home happy after that! (sure; the drinks helped too!) Mind you; there had never been a fist fight in there!

My ex-father in law in NS, disliked Chinese to the core! With every upcoming elections then, he'll try to pep-talk me into voting for PAS which I don't really fancy too. Yet, when it comes to buying groceries, he goes to a Chinese sundry store that allows him credit! And the weirdest reasons of all for him to dislike them was because they eat pork and they use toilet papers to wipe themselves off after their business in the toilet! What has that got to do with anything at all? The only fact I accepted then was that he was a 60 odd year old man who can just go on and on about anything. We still have a lot of these similar age group around the country who may be pep-talking their sons and daughters to have the same ill-feeling.

My wife now; a Chinese Muslim, takes cabs regularly and on a lot of occasions gets Chinese taxi drivers who'll also condemn Malays to the core as well! And these guys will usually have a Chinese newspaper next to their seat, and will be raising issues about Malays getting this and that special treatment from the government. Says who? I don't have any special privileges from then until now and I work my sweat and brains out to be where I am today! I too have Chinese features although with my slight darker skin, and once I was with a Chinaman cab driver who was blabbering away in Cantonese about a certain Najib's military project, I think (I understand; although I respond at a slower pace with broken phrases) which followed later to a lot of bashing of the Malays & NEP etc etc; until I spoke back to him in Malay! Macam cicak tertelan another cicak muka dia time tu!!

I do pity those individuals who feels they are second or third class in this beautiful country, but if it pleases you; I am a 100% percent Malay; son of a late policeman who was decorated with many, many medals during the Occupancy and communist times, who have not been treated to anything special by the government or any of its department, once rejected to enter a government teachers' college just because I excelled in Bahasa Malaysia, English, Geography but not Pengetahuan Agama Islam (ok la; I failed Additional Maths and Chemistry!), yet now running the operations for this business I'm in charge of for the whole of Malaysia. Come to think of it, I didn't even get a place in any university then!

All in all, I was never brought up to dislike any races and I intend to continue educating that to my descendants as well!
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written by Rhan, March 20, 2008 06:03:06
If the non-chinese object on wearing a chinese cap that is not religious in nature, then the non-chinese is racist....


The chinese who force the non-chinese to wear a chinese cap that is not religious in nature, then the chinese is racist.
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written by Rhan, March 20, 2008 06:15:29
Why it is always the rakyat have to compromise first and not the other way round? And we dare to call ourself barisan rakyat?
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written by Malaysiaputra, March 20, 2008 09:41:24
In Malaysia, Malay = Islam, this is the general perception. So Malay dressing is also considered as related to Islam. As for the songkok, one sees Malays wearing it when they go to mosques to pray so it has emotions related to Islam.

Also , in Malaysia, the govt keep on reminding one that one is a Malay, Chinese, Indian etc. So how can non Malays in general not perceive wearing the songkok as practicing Malay customs and linking it to Islam ?.
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written by batsman, March 20, 2008 10:13:49
Walk the talk. Some people like to quote ancient Chinese philosophers "Good leaders do not use force, Good fighters to not engage the enemy, etc" ad nauseum but cannot apply it to the Malaysian situation. The rakyat are the BOSS. The rakyat must show good leadership.
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written by Milo, March 20, 2008 11:25:58
Sagaladoola: Sexual discrimination => the power to discriminate another person based on his/her sex / gender. It is about both sex and power.
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Sex discrimination INVOLVES sex, but because it can involve either gender, it is not ABOUT sex but about power (control over another person which could be either sex). There are quite a few court cases on this issue, even a film made on it. (ps. Sorry for the education, I thought you needed some).

The point is, some people can tolerate discrimination but some don't, just like some can bear eating chilli or wearing the songkok and some don't. Also, some can see the point I am trying to make, some don't. Some are more emphatic and can understand others' sensitivity, some are fixated on thie views only and can't see beyond. That's the world we live of which some people can understand, but some don't.

If you introduce a rule, it is a right. If you insist that other's follow your rule, it about power. If you insist that other follow without consideration of their sensitivity, then it is the lack of tolerance and/or understanding in using the power. The degree of which power is applied this way will determine the degree of unfairness felt by the 'victim', which depends on the 'victim' background.

This principle applies, whether you are an ordinary person or the emperor. Why are we complaining on the BN and vote against them? BECAUSE they have the power and persisted in doing things against the principle of fairness, and without understand or caring about other's sensitivity.

The songkok is really a small matter (to me at least), but is it so hard to understand (like chilli) it is not a tolerable thing for some people? Have a Kit Kiat... smilies/grin.gif
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written by Milo, March 20, 2008 11:41:27
Malaysiaputra, you made a great point which needed a little revision. the formula: Malay = Islam is more than a perception, it is defined by MALAYSIA LAW! Just because some people, including the maveric Richard Branson have no problem wearing a songkok, it does not mean others have to.

For some commenters here, the wold 'understanding' is not in their vocab. I am glad Malaysiaputra, you are not one of them.
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written by Milo, March 20, 2008 11:48:12
batsman, the rakyat is the boss in the voting process only. The Sultan is the boss in his palace.It is perfectly within his right to impose anything in his palace, but I am sure he understands why some leaders standing on their own principle would not go there because of the imposition. I am also sure he won't describe them as a racist just because of that.
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written by Milo, March 20, 2008 13:38:45
written by Sagaladoola, As far as I know, rules, laws are enforced. Just like you must stop when the traffic light is red. Please think how would the traffic become if people do not follow this rule. I insist you to follow the traffic light rule as well.
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Obviously you have difficulty in interpretating what's told to you by commenters here. That's what I said. Rules is both a right and a power. Meaning, you can set it and enforce it within your domain of control.

Wearing songkok is not equivalent to victimising anyone. Neither has it anything to do with forcing a Muslim to eat pork or forcing a child to eat chilli.
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1. That's why I put '...' to enclose the word victim. Because there may be no intention to victimise, even though that person would feel victimised. You don't have a problem with englis, you have problems with interpretating other's comments correctly.

2. The chilli and pork are just analogies, BUT I just realised how your mental wiring do not allow you to see the connections. You are what I term a literalist.


Milo, are you suggesting that we boycott everything Malay?
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I merely state a fact (as I know) based on the law. Malay is define as someone who is malay by race and also a Muslim in Malaysia. I suggest nothing remotely close to what you said, which would make you sounds like a spinner and instigator (as almost always).

So, how could your logic Malay = Islam work these days? Care to clarify?
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Easy! In Malaysia, the law says Malay = Muslim; Muslim not equal Malay (meaning it could be chinese, Indians...). That's why the government do not call Indian Muslim Malay even if he/she is a Muslim.

I also just realised you need more than a mirror (to see yourself, how you are look upon by others), but also an education. I enjoyed the debate, but I have decided to stop.

Summary: I respect the Sultan and will abide by the rules. I also respect others who for good reasons and principles refused to adhere. Goodbye and have a nice day!
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written by Rhan, March 21, 2008 09:09:46
Dear Camillus,

Read through your stories, my opinion is that it has nothing with race. In the capitalist world, the spending power has the final say. Mat Salleh and Japanese are welcome all over the world especially if you are talking about dining and drinking. To them, most third world country is heaven. No? If you tips the waitress 100 and the Mat Salleh tips only 20 and look at the service for the next few hours, would the Mat Salleh complain that the waitress is racist?

Go and ask any Low Yat vendors who is their best customer? I am sure they will say Malay is the best because their buying habit is less bargaining, less calculative and are more willing to spend. I bargain like hell for almost half an hour to get my PDA phone price down to 1630 and the Malay next to me buy the same model at 1688 within 5 minutes. Can I tell this PDA phone seller is damn racist because he treats the Malay customer so well?

If all this Low Yat vendor have a choice, they would rather do business with TNB, TMB, Sime Darby and all the conglomerate and not sitting at the counter whole day making a commission of 20 ringgit for a 1688 PDA phone.

RPK also know the divide and rule game well, this is in his blood. Therefore don’t easily coma to a conclusion that his thought are well justified.

You are living in UK right? Can you help us Asian to whack all this British for the sin they did to us?
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written by Milo, March 21, 2008 17:50:28
Camillus,by generalising the character of the chinese race because of your person experience with some, whatever that you preach is tainted with the bias that springs from those limited experiece you had experience. Your points put forth are hollow because of the narrowness of the examples you gave, and the very nature of your arguement is divisive.

On you question: "Why did the Malaysian Chinese I met at the party only become friendly after perusing my business card and noticing a Latin name?", it could be because of your behaviour, looks or a variety of other reasons. Or it could be because these group of people is more responsive to a race they perceive to be more fair, freer and more open (which seemingly they are wrong in your case).

The fact is if you move along racial lines in mixing and doing your business without infringement of the rights of other races, you are not a racist. It is only racism when you cross that line. It is normal we feel more comfortable doing business with those that are similar to us, and race is one of the factor, though not the only one. Birds of same feather do move together.

The chinese, like all other races, generally only want to do well. They are not thinking people of other races have to lose for them to win. They are okay that those with a disadvantage be given a handicap. As in a game of golf, no sane person will feel okay if the handicaper group demands that they be given the handicap forever, especially when those who received the handicap are those who are non-deserving and the deserving ones do not get it.

In the first place the issue of compromise should not have arise at all if certain rules are made less sensitive and a little more flexible base on goodwill and commonsense. Why must any authority impose a purely discretionary rule knowing that it will be in conflict with some people's values or beliefs, and expect them to compromise what they hold dear?

I have no such sensitivity to the songkok because my beliefs and circumstances are different from those are sensitive. But it would be too narrow minded of me to brand those who are sensitive to the songkok a racist even though they have probably complied with probably 99% of the protocoal requirements anyway.

You should meet more people...you have obviously not met people like me.
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written by Rhan, March 21, 2008 18:48:37
Camillus,
What is wrong if you hit yourself if you know you did wrong? Just whack the British is more than enough, they are the second worst after US.

I never says MatSalleh tip the best, I only say they have a much higher spending power.

Why are all vendors in shopping complexes like Low Yatt Chinese? The answer is because Chinese is good in this type of business and they are willing to work hard for it. Furthermore this could be the only market left for them to compete. Sapura Communication is one of the agents for Nokia and Apple, why not they involve in retail until only recently? Because all this while they are comfortable with the business from corporate. How often do you see Allied, Affin and CIMB move into SMI loan? You mean Public and HLB control the market and price for SMI loan?

You are right to say I didn’t check the facts if this Low Yat vendor did do business with conglomerate or not, show me your facts please.

I don’t know what you print on your business card. Are you sure Chinese is the only one turn to become friendly or all Malaysian Chinese become friendly after they know who you are? You have the habit to present your card to Malaysian Chinese at party?

Petra write with a purpose but you read with bias emotion. You should tune your frequency a bit.

And, I do know racism is not confine to any race.
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written by SYXL, March 21, 2008 21:54:08
One doesn't have to go to Iran to form valid conclusions.

Iran is NOT a secular state, is it?
Can (not will) PAS ever govern Malaysia as a secular state?
Turkey is trying to turn from a secular state to a religion-based state. True or not?
The USA has committed countless atrocities, in no small part because of its powerful evangelical voting bloc and influence.

ALL religions do not use reason. The individual may privately reason out his/her religious beliefs but religious leaders (and their partners or masters) command power thru anti-reasoning dictats, punishment, fear and deception.

The USA and Western states preach democracy - good for Iraq but not good for the Vatican?

On a mass and organized scale, religion has always been and will always be a political tool and force - and all the evil that comes with using it as such. There is no non-political religion. It is the curse of mankind.
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written by saifullizan, March 21, 2008 22:41:14
I would like to get your attention about all this issue with the songkok and DAP. Please look at this link taken from BBC UK back in 2002. A scene at a prayer of Eid Fitr in Western China (the Mainland China), Chinese Muslim brothers praying in celebration marking the end of fasting month. Please pay attention to that Muslim brother in the foreground, he is wearing a songkok, and it does not make him any less Chinese. He is as Chinese as Jeff Ooi and Mr Teng Chang Khim are, and as Chinese as the rest of other Malaysian Chinese.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2546845.stm

If you attend the ceremony hosted by the Raja, you are going to his "house", and with all due respect you should abide by the rules set at his house. You don't go walking in with your shoes, when the host himself doesn't even wear shoes in his house.

It is time all Malaysians grow up and mature. It is not about being racist anymore, it is about building one nation, a nation of Malaysians who have high respect and tolerance for each other. Islam respects all religion, if you still don't believe in Islam, go sit down every Friday with Tok Guru Nik Aziz in KB where he delivers his Friday morning kuliah to the KB people and outsiders, just to know what actually Islam preaches about life and the respect for others.
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written by SYXL, March 22, 2008 04:52:25
RPK meant well, there is no doubt about his courageous and fair-minded view points. The story will never end if we recount instances of prejudice – on all sides. It doesn’t serve any purpose to argue over who is more or less tolerant.

The fact is there is prejudice, and the thinking should be to understand the causes, which is not the same as condoning, defending or excusing prejudices.

The anecdotes recounted in this thread show that personal experience is a factor contributing to prejudices. As is herd mentality. As is political brain-washing and manipulation. As are ingrained instincts (lions and elephants), as someone here wrote. Not least is symbolism because a symbol is a different thing to different people.

Wearing the songkok is symbolic of different things to different people – to the wearer and the observer. By far the most sensitive is religious symbolism. The Malays most often wear the songkok when they attend prayers, although it is also worn on other occasions.

Therefore, wearing the songkok should not be made into an issue. I think that, unfortunately, it cannot serve as a symbol of cultural integration because of perceived associations with this particular head-dress in Malaysia.

For example, it is clear that the batik shirt and the baju kurung do not carry the same symbolisms as does the songkok. The sarung is worn by many Chinese (at home) and Indians. All these essentially Malay forms of dressing have gained acceptance irrespective of race for a long time now.

There are many things in Malay culture which are unique, very attractive and appealing to all the races except the extremists. Do not fault ordinary people for small misperceptions – they become big only if we make them so.

Malaysians - Malays, Chinese, Indians, and others - must not so easily fall into the trap of the Kerishamuddins and the like dregs of society.

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written by SYXL, March 22, 2008 05:02:48
Camillus wrote: "The perception I'm getting is that it's OK to bash the Malays - but not the Chinese or others - simply due to the fact that there is the NEP in place."

Perhaps you should re-think your perceptions. Some people hardly travel and speak only their mother tongue but they are very insightful and cautious with their conclusions about other races.

To "identify" the traits of other races for the purpose of comparison is generalising and stero-typing.
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written by SYXL, March 22, 2008 06:11:42
Camillus wrote: "I have both travelled and lived in multiple countries across multiple continents (and have met a lot of different people in doing so). Being fluent in excess of 10 languages helps a lot. The missus and I relish our time in China."

With due respect, it is not necessary to back up your perceptions and conclusions with the above badges of “qualifications”. No one is more “qualified” to preach on such matters than anyone else. The only qualities needed are self-examination and an open mind.

Unfortunately, many of your views here show a jaundiced view. To be blunt, your views smack of ingratiating oneself to a particular race at the expense of others.

Many of the root causes of racial segregation in Malaysia stem from colonial policies and exploitation - aggressive and manipulative policies. The British shamelessly clamour and fight for democracy for Hong Kong when they had to leave, but not when they ruled.

Western hypocrisy is an art form – why no clamour for democracy in Saudi Arabia or the Vatican, etc, but only for Iraq, China, etc? The Middle East carnage is the legacy of rapacious and cunning western powers, so are the origins of racial division in Malaysia. Africa inherited a heritage of western savagery and power-play.

But we distinguish between good and honest people in any society and race – including those westerners who are mighty freedom fighters against discrimination of black and coloured people in the USA and other western societies.

Given the history of western civilisation, exploitation, manipulation and cruelty, there is no place for western societies to preach and export their values to others. Genuinely good-hearted westerners combat the bigoted views in their own societies and help other nations by humane actions – no more preaching – because they are mindful of the continuing sins of their own kindred. Such westerners are true friends of Malaysians, Asians and Africans.

You may have visited China but are you aware and conscious of what it takes in a people to forgive and help an enemy that committed unspeakable atrocities on that people.

I am referring to the tens of thousands of Japanese babies and children (not mixed blooded) who were abandoned by the retreating Japanese occupiers in Northeast China. These children were taken care of and brought up as their own by simple Chinese peasants (who had personally suffered horribly at the hands of the Japanese occupiers, and who could hardly feed their own) - and today many of these children have chosen to live on in China and regard China as their homeland.

Jews sought refuge from the Nazis - in Shanghai and other parts of China. Brave and humane westerners in China were the saviours of many Chinese victims of Japanese savagery.

Please learn from Asians, Malays, Indians and Chinese while contributing your wisdom.
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written by Rhan, March 22, 2008 07:52:09
Camillus,

If you can’t rebut my comment, you may just ignore it, you don’t have to resort to name calling and try to act funny, this only reflect your very bad character. Read MT again and again, most Malaysian doesn’t do this!

You don’t have to tell me your wife is Chinese, this would indicate racial differentiation is planted deep in your mind and you have to keep on explaining to the whole world who you are. Most Chinese including me look down on people with bad character and low moral regardless what race you are, you may verify this with your Chinese wife.
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 08:36:35
Camillus wrote: Your first paragraph on generalising, it's called stereo-typing. That is the root of the problems in Malaysia - and of most of the problems the world over! Finally, someone sees the point! :-)
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Knowing the thesaurous for the word 'generalising' will not excuse you for recklessly grouping a race negatively just based on some dubious personal experiences.

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"The perception I'm getting is that it's OK to bash the Malays - but not the Chinese or others - simply due to the fact that there is the NEP in place."
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Your perception is terribly misplaced by a distance. The chinese did not bash the malays because of the NEP, we bash those who abused the NEP, which includes many chinese who are their partners-in-crime.

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I have both travelled and lived in multiple countries across multiple continents (and have met a lot of different people in doing so). Being fluent in excess of 10 languages helps a lot.
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People do not judge you by how many countries you have been or how many languages you speak, if you speak or write like a fool, you get treated like one.

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Again, why the 'assumption' that I need to meet more people? Hahaha! It's not like you know me. Can I say it is due to your very own perceptions based on my postings above? Which you could have very well misunderstood or misread? .....It is very unfortunate that your following paragraphs were then made on assumptions and further stereo-typing! Note how often I use the word - it is the key!
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There is no need to know you. Here in the blog, we evaluate you based on your posting. It is just like an exam; each time you make a mistake, we minus points, even if in fact you are a genius who speaks 10 languages and have a brain like Einstein.

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Moving along racial lines in mixing and doing business is - I'll say it again - stereo-typing. Stereo-typing is, in it's very essence, racism!
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That may be what your dictionary says, not mine or the official ones. Stereo-typing is pigeonholing, which is classifying people into groups. Everyone does it once a while. That I pointed out you did it when you unfairly generalised the chinese as a race because of some personal experiences, does not equal to saying you ALWAYS do it. On the other, racism is discriminatory or abusive behaviour towards members of another race. Preference of mixing with one's own kind is just that, a preference, nothing to do with racism.

Yes, I do recommend you need to meet more people no matter how many you have met in the past. More than that you may need to search within; that's where wisdom resides.
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 09:08:52
1). I was told that this was the "built-in" defence mechanism of the majority of Malaysians (I believe it is a human trait?) to play the blame game in deflection on the actual question(s) and difficulties at hand.
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So the responses here is "built-in" defence mechanism, which very well could be. But isn't that fair game if you want to add your comments? And what are your responses about? Not your defence mechanism or a strategy to deflect the difficulties at hand?



2). Malaysians have yet to learn to take constructive critism for what it essentially is.
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We all need to learn, of course. But as you write this sentence, have you considered the constructiveness of your own critisism or are you your own judge and jury? Or have you been taking others critisism of you constructively?

At least 3 unconnected persons here see fit to respond to your postings with similar tone. Does that tell a story? Or perhaps it will finally allow you to conclusively conclude "Malaysians are like that!". Rest my case.
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 09:48:32
written by Camillus: Indeed, stereo-typing is the classification of people. Classification of people onto groups... but based on??? This is the root racism and prejudice! It's not just about colour. It can be creed (Protestants vs. Catholics), etc.
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Racism definitely has elements of stereo-typing, but it is more than just stereo-typing (which can have either a positive or negative connotation on the person you stereotype) because it is always attached to some form of discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race or creed.

In no way did I "unfairly generalise the Chinese". I relayed several instances and then posed questions. As anticipated, these anecdotes were mis-construed as being racial overtones.
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From what I read, you do more than relaying instances of your experience, you actually draw stereo-typing conclusion from them, which is what those who responded are contending. If indeed they are misconstrued, it is for you to reconstruct them so as it does not convey what you have no wish to convey. You may not have those intentions, but your posts certainly did send a racially slurred message to the readers. The tone of the response would have given you the hint.
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written by educationist, March 22, 2008 10:38:18
Very informative and analytical piece. I admit I'm now converted in so far as standard dress code requirements are concerned even if it be wearing a songkok.
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written by nonpartisan73, March 22, 2008 13:13:21
haha, camillus, i donno who you are but man, you are a ok. Thats my 'perception'. Haha.
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written by fizzymat, March 22, 2008 13:22:09
Dear Camillus,

Please explain your paragraph:
Just pop over to Low Yatt? for some computing peripherals. Note that all the vendors are Chinese, and that no other race is allowed into the 'group'.

Did you mean the Chinese control whoever's allowed to open a shop in Low Yat? I thought only the government is allowed to impose quotas. Have you been to any place where there's no Chinese or only one or two? Then you have not seen Malaysia.

Readers, don't get me wrong. I'm all for mixing together with other races and helping whoever deserves help. I'm just not for favouritism to one group just because they are that group. Sometimes, this practice of favouritism for one group goes wrong. The rich gets richer and the poor remains poor or gets poorer.
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 18:30:14
written by Camillus, March 22, 2008 | 10:30:22
Camillus:That is your "perception" - and indeed, misread and misunderstood.
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That the world exist at all is indeed a function of our perception. Only a corpse do not perceive and hence to it the world is non-existence. By implying others misread your posting is a 'wrong' perception of your real intent, you completely disown the responsibility that you are the primary influencer of others' perception of you through your posting. In that case, there is no more need to debate or to defend a stand or statement as we need not bother of other's perception. So why are you vigourously defending and explaining, trying to get your point across when you are not responsible for influencing others' perception?


There is this parable about a father, a son and a donkey. Without delving into details, the gist is... one cannot please all the people, all the time. By re-constructing, I may inadverdantly fall foul of another group.
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If you feel no compulsion to re-construct to get your true message across, then is there a reason for others to feel they should change their earlier perception of you? The story you half-told is a but a poor attempt to shift responsibility to the perceiver. In communication, if their is a misunderstanding caused by your words, you take responsibility in correcting it, that is, if you wish others to understand you correctly. Pleasing has nothing to do with it.

The fact that the mere mention of the word "Chinese" instantly brought about racial perceptions, etc (see posts above). To a lot of people, "Chinese" is what you call citizens of China and there are no overtones of any such. Just like Indians are from India and the Japanese from Japan.
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The very tone of your explaination is you are still trying to postulate your earlier repulsive point, that the chinese are sensitive (and of course, your reactions, shows you are not!). You could have describe malays, indians or japaneses for all we care, you will still get such reaction if that is the way you view things around. That you were describing the chinese in this case and cause a rebute is just incidental. There are structures in fairness, truths and good judgements. Like a building structure, if there are flaws, cracks will follow.

By the way, the rebukes are not a judgement of the real you, but a judgement of the perceived you based solely on your posting. You could be a great guy for all we know.
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 19:07:36
written by Camillus: Isn't "Malaysians are like that" a form of pigeon-holing? The classifying of people (as you put it)? How can you so entirely contradict yourself?
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There is no contradiction. If you read carefully, the phrase "Malaysians are like that" is merely said on your behalf based on your style of arguement. Whether you will finally conclude as such, I don't know.




And then use the excuse of 3 supporting posts as justification. Disgraceful!!!
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The tone of those 3 posts are the same, to rebuke you in various perspective of your claims, but the points and emphasis differ. This is merely a fact pointed out to you in case your awareness of things in not too clear today, so that you may wake up clearer tomorrow. I may or may not agree with the substance of those rebukes, and vice versa...but that the arrows are pointed at you is clear as daylight.
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written by renoir, March 22, 2008 19:30:31
Milo wrote:
>Racism ... is always attached to some form of discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race or creed.]]

Yes. I recall that, during the 70s and early 80s, most college sociology texts defined racism with not merely stereotyping other races but also the POWER to discriminate and abuse another race. This definition is useful for several reasons. In pre-civilized communities, the Hobbesian state of nature was often the norm. Might, not right, was important for survival. Under such conditions, people were naturally suspicious of strangers and, consequently, attribute unflattering qualities to those they don't understand. This wariness of the unknown and the foreign is manifested among animals as well - popular term for it is territoriality. Wolfpacks would pee at certain places to denote their "ownership" and would be hostile at other approaching creatures.

Now it's true that as human societies progressed, acceptance of other peoples and cultures have become more common. Education is important in accelerating this process. But even in the most enlightened societies, this instinct that've evolved for millenia remains. Cunning people know this, and it's not difficult to activate it.

The best example I know is China, which has been under Confucianist influence for over 2,000 years. The Confucian idea of harmony - which is perhaps more advanced than "unity" - in diversity is well-known to all older Chinese. The analects were the first to say succintly that "within the four seas all men are brothers" (a saying that was also used for the novel Shui Hu Chuan or "The Water Margin"). Yet, the idea of race and thus a Derridean "differance" began to crop up in Chinese socio-political discourse sometime during the early 20th century (this was also brought up by a Middle Eastern writer - Tariq Ali? - a few years ago). Fortunately, it disappeared as quickly as it appeared from national discourse but NOT, I think, among sections of the Chinese people.

It's interesting to know why, after two thousand years of Confucianism, the idea of race surfaced among some Chinese. Unlike European literature, which was never freed from racist inferences, Chinese literature AND historical writings were full of the diversity that Confucius promoted. Nearly every Chinese knows that Bao Gong had a black face, and that Kuan Yu of the Three Kingdom a red one. The leader of the Eastern state in the same novel had Caucasian features. It was during the Tang and Han dynasties that the Chinese began to worship the great Buddha and later another Indian called Avalokiteshvara or Kuan Yin. Chinese tales of the Shaolin Temple proudly recounted the exploits of its Indian founder Damo.

To be continued
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Continued

However, as China degenerated under a series of bad emperors, the country was weakened to such an extent that it could not resist Western aggression. The Opium Wars show how the West used the Chinese inventions of the rudder and compass to sail to China and another Chinese invention, the cannon, to blast Chinese defenses to pieces. The Qing emperor was helpless, signing off one territory after another to the Western aggressors. The people wanted to fight, but not the government. It was at this time that early opposition to Ching rule began to take on a racist tone. The people who suffered most from the opium trade were from the South, mainly the Guangdong people (popular called "Cantonese" though Canton (Guangzhou) is just a city). These were among the greatest resistors of foreign rule. They were the ones who often volunteered to work in British-owned ships and then set them on fire. The idea of the "inscrutable" Chinese probably originated or became popularized during this period, as smiling Cantonese coolies would bide their time before they shout, possibly, "Tiu Nia Ma!" and kill the enemy (the first modern suicide bombers!). This was also the time when Chinese terms for any foreigner ends with the word "devil," such as Hongmo kwai (red haired devil). Very few Chinese in the north had such visceral hatred of the foreign and everything foreign. No wonder that the first successful revolutionary and founder of New China was Dr. Sun, from Guangdong.

It's an irony - to be repeated countless of times in colonial histories - that since the only way to fight the oppressor is to gain his knowledge of the sciences, Chinese who could afford flocked to the West for their education. Dr. Sun went to the University of Honolulu. His wife Soong Ching Ling (from Hainan) studied in Wellesley College in the US. Zhou En-lai went to Japan and then France (like Chen Yi, China's future Foreign Minister). Chu Teh, the great military strategist, went to France and then Berlin Military Academy.

But these and other Chinese not only learned the hard sciences: they also studied social science. Since the Age of Imperialism to the early 20th century, Western justification for the conqest and extermination of native peoples in Africa, Australia, and the Americas had been based on the concept of biological determinism, as exemplified in these lines from Alexander Pope:

Order is Heaven's first law and, this confessed,
Some are, and must be, greater than the rest.

And according to this line of thinking, the darker a person, the more inferior he is. The stage for black slavery and conquest of the world was set.

While few Chinese thinkers bought into this kind of "science," some did and, while not so common as in the West, still do.

But this is a digression from the songkok thing, which was mainly a reaction to UMNO's racial disrimination and which should now become a thing of the past. All the more so as we're now blessed with the Barisan Rakyat which promises to end the past policies of exclusion. We need to understand why some Chinese feel bad about wearing the songkok, and take steps to end that feeling.

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written by ksra, March 22, 2008 19:55:05
I do not know when this world, let alone Malaysia will have a society where everyone is being treated as individual regardless of skin color, religion, gender, sex preferences and etc. One can only be judged by its character or act. Taking steps to eliminate the NEP,which I consider a CANCER to Malaysia, is a good start. In parallel, separation of religion and politics should also be one of the top priority. Without them, Malaysia will never be harmony and competitive in the 21st century let alone achieving the status of a developed country.
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 21:58:39
Camillus, from your 1st posting:

"I arrived first and got myself seated, while waiting for the rest to pop down. I was totally ignored by the waiting staff. When my 'matsalleh' colleagues joined, we had three waitresses falling over to serve us! "

"The Chinese need to realise that WHEN we get rid of the NEP, they need to be open and not hold on to old nepotism and cronyism habits. The Indians need to get rid of the 'chip' on their shoulders and stop blaming other races for their shortcomings."

Camillus, from your 2nd posting:

"It had everything to do with race! Everyone present agreed so!..."

"Why did the Malaysian Chinese I met at the party only become friendly after perusing my business card and noticing a Latin name? Why not be like the Malaysian Indian couple at the same function who were just happy to meet fellow Malaysians (missus and I) and share thoughts?"



Camillus, from your 3rd posting:

"Rhan, Please re-read our earlier postings. I'm not going to continue a discussion with you - If I argue with a fool, then two fools are arguing! Hehehe..."



Camillus, from your 4th posting:

"The question was, "Why are all vendors in shopping complexes like Low Yatt Chinese?" I answer... they indulge in nepotism and cronyism and only let their kind in the game. By doing this, they can somewhat control the price."



Camillus, from your 5th posting:
1). I was told that this was the "built-in" defence mechanism of the majority of Malaysians (I believe it is a human trait?) to play the blame game in deflection on the actual question(s) and difficulties at hand.
2). Malaysians have yet to learn to take constructive critism for what it essentially is.
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Those above are all excrepts your postings, are they not? The very racism you try potraying others are, is right there cogently found in your own postings. You even can Rhan a fool! Really, there is another fool I saw here, and it is definitely not Rhan! How foolish can one be to tag a person who mixes more comfortably with his own kind be generalised to mean he would not mixed with others. But that is the kind of mind you have demonstrated to possess.... full of advice based on false wisdom.

Your last post: What I cannot agree is the linking of the NEP to Malays on the whole, and then the use of such a flawed linkage to reject things like the wearing of certain headgear, etc.
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You are the only one linking the NEP to malays on the whole. We hold no such silly bias and extremist delusion, or else, the voters of all races would not have voted in PKR-DAP-PAS. The are a million reasons why people don't do certain things, the songkok, being only one of them. Here is the proof that you are unnecesarily expanding a non-case to stir a race against another race as SYXL said you did.

Your skillful attempt to subtlely stir sentiments can only fool some people. Go learn the 11th language, it may make you wiser.
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written by renoir, March 22, 2008 21:59:43
I said:
>the songkok thing, which was mainly a reaction to UMNO's racial disrimination and which should now become a thing of the past.]]

In the posting above on the sociological definition of racism, I mentioned Milo's apt reference to the abuse that accompanies it. This implies that racism is more a group or state rather than an individual matter, and that POWER is an inherent part of the equation. As I said, this is a useful definition, for while this evolved characteristic is common to all peoples, it seldom by itself does much harm without group or state support. It's when the state gets into the matter that the Holocaust occurred. In this country, it's when Ministers start waving their kerises and warned of May 13 IN SUPPORT OF THE NEP that racism became a deadly (no pun intended) issue. Thus, it's understandable - though not commendable - that some older and/or more conservative Chinese linked racism with the Malay-based UMNO, and even with Malays as a whole. This is especially so when other incidents such as the compulsory wearing of the tudung during college commencement are taken into consideration. For this section of people, refusing to wear what they see as another instance of Malay hegemony is the only correct thing to do. Yet, given the changing political landscape and, more important, the different mindset of progressive Malays, it surely is time for all to take what I said earlier: a magnanimous view of the songkok as belonging not only to some oppressors, but also to those who're now fighting for minorities such as themselves. Here Milo is surely right in not only understanding the reasons some Chinese had for rejecting the songkok, but also talked about educating them to go along with the current trend of inclusiveness. It's time to forget that the same political setup that has tolerated ministers who threatened to drench kerises in Chinese blood WITHOUT A WORD OF DISAPPROVAL is also the one who seems to insist that people wear the songkok during official functions. The politics of race, started and magnified under UMNO for the past 50 years, must end.

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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 23:11:23
Camillus,

In case you have not noticed you had made another foolish assumption, I read every single comment in this thread that you and others wrote. I have participated here long before you do. Not all your rants are foolish so not all are quoted. Fair? But the general tone of your comments are unmistakably racially bias. Rhan is certinly not the only one who felt it. And of course, I understand even a fool can have an opinion, and in defence may even call others a fool to preempt others identifying him as one.

Words like "fool" "Typical" and "I am wrong to have high expectations of MT readers" fill your vocabuary and comments, and demonstrate the type of blind racialistic arrogant person that somehow may have eluded your notice. I though by quoting some for your attention, it would invoke some realisation. Obviously, it didn't work. I should not be disappointed, should I? What is racialism to you are merely your own shadow you see in others. That you cannot see it will rightly invite the type of respose you are getting now.

My only consolation is you may not be the type of meathead you have projected yourself to be here when you are with people in real life. Have a kit kat!
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written by Milo, March 22, 2008 23:18:37
LChuah,

What you said certainly carry a lot of wisdom. But most realities are such that the most effective party to heal the wounds of the past lies in the hands of those with power and not those who had experienced the oppression. Perhaps what we need is time, as they say, time heals everything. Thanks for sharing.
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written by renoir, March 22, 2008 23:38:40
Hi Milo,

I certainly understand that real change could be instituted only by those with power. At this juncture, we cannot do much but assist those progressives by going along with less important issues but standing firm on other crucial ones. This flexibility and goodwill on our part, however, should never be taken as a sign of weakness. How one side behaves will determine the behavior of the other side. With luck, we can get into a circle of ever-increasing accomodation, one that might result in a fair, just Malaysia. Time can indeed be an ally, so does international events. An increasingly globalized world will not tolerate the exclusiveness that'd typified the ruling class.

Great to hear your comments.

LChuah
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written by Milo, March 23, 2008 05:48:30
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You are very right indeed. I finally see your point. You last post is very telling and says it all. By virtue of participating and posting on MT longer, you are "in the right".
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There you go again! Do you always have to add words to other's statement to fit your world? Where did you get the notion that I said being longer here would mean I am in the right? I merely said that (in response to your call) to tell you I am long enough here to have read all your comments and others too.


Then there is the statement on it being OK to mingle within one's own race. Why? to remain in one's comfort zone. Opening one's mind through travel, worldly experiences, etc. is not OK. The
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Wow! Before I can take another breath, here you go again, putting words in other's comments to fit your world! How did you know I don't travel more than you? Your wife told you? Isn't this jumping to conclusion, the 'advice' you kept asking others not to do?

Why shouldn't people feel comfortable mixing with their kind when most if not all their relatives are of their race? You mean you don't feel comfortable with your kind? What's wrong with your kind? Did your parents abundant you? You mean you can't see this how people behave everywhere in the world? Wow! How weird can you get!

And please show me where I said I can't mix comfortably with others just because I said, I am comfortable mixing with my clan. Do I need further proof you tend to add words and meanings to other's comments? I said I have preference for meat, does not mean I don't eat vege. That's just your weird method of extrapolation.

And you define comfort zone as though this is what it meant. Which part of the world did you learn this definition from?

Yes, keep changing the meaning of words and soon you would have a dictionary of your own.


It seems that it is fine call people "meathead", etc
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Why not? You are the first to names call by calling Rhan a fool, and branding other racists. Why souldn't that invite an equal and opposite response? Hey! Whether I am a wanger or a tosser is for others to judge, but the response thus far suggest you seem to fit these words more.

That these words kept flowing out of you in every of your posting tell a story, no? Go review what you have commented here and do some deep reflection. You never know, it could make you wiser than learning ten languages and traveling all over the world.

Let's drop the debate and waste other's time!
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written by Rhan, March 23, 2008 09:48:51
Dear Milo,
To those who are with MT long enough know well I have a poor grasp of English and I use to make a translation of my thought direct from Chinese. Never know that by doing this, I am a fool, an instigator, and now even become a bird.

As LChuah said it, it is great to read your comment but why waste time debate with one immature mind?

Btw LChuah, my stand on the songkok case is a simple one. If Teng disagree to wear it doesn’t mean he is a racist, but if he change his mind and wear it on Monday, doesn’t in anyway indicate he is not racist.

“听其言觀其行”
Listen to what he says and see what he did over the years in order to judge one person.

“听我言观你行”
We have been suffered long enough when the leader forced us to listen to nonsense and being observed on every move we made.
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written by lawling, March 23, 2008 11:27:14
RPK,
You assume that secular Turkey is Istanbul! Not so! Inthe smaller towns like Konya, people are still very conservative and islamic. Do you know that in some high schools in the smaller towns, they check to see whether female students are still virgins? This was reported in their newspapers and not some western media. A few girls were reported to have committed suicide.Inthe smaller towns,ifa restaurant is seen to be favoured by young male and female patrons chatting together, the townfolks regard the restaurant as encouraging vice and will boycott the establishment.

Of course, In bigger cities like Ankara,blue film cinemas can exists side with mosques! And Turkey produces very good wines!

as for Kelantan, Kelantan is not Iran nor Tehran! I worked in Iran for 4 years during the period of Khomeini
as well as the Gulf War. The first thing I did upon my return was to visit Kelantan to dee first hand whether it was like Tehran at all!It was not like whatthe Central Government want us to believe. I saw pork being sold in a back lane. Only at the supermarkets was there a similarity where I observe male patrons checking out separately from female patrons.

Temples are allowed to operate whereas in Iran only churches of certain denomination are recognised.Temples are not.
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written by lawling, March 23, 2008 13:54:40
RPK,

On the issue of the songkok, in Turkey, they have one which they called the "Fez". When Attaturk
made Turkey secular, he banned the use of the Fez on grounds it was symbolic of Islamic dressing.

On the use of tudong, of late, this has been allowed and is no more an issue! However, it must be pointed
out that any journalist writing anything derogatory about Islam may incur the wrath of militant zealots
who will not hesistate to kill him. One famous journalist was killed for writing articles critical of the religion. They set a car bomb in his car and he was blown up in Ankara some years ago.
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written by Milo, March 23, 2008 14:03:14
Dear Rhan,

You are right of course (regarding this Camillus fella). The purpose of my postings are not for his consumption alone, as I know a bigot won't change his views even if cogently and rationally pointed out to him they are misplaced. It is for M-T readers, many of whom are rational and disagree with him (like you) but are not (like us) in a position to rebut. Haha, let's just say we are here to "defend" the truth on their behalf, and perhaps also for some serious fun.

Camillus even commented in another thread, quote: "What's needed in Malaysia is a total mentality shift. A shift away from race-based stereo-typing. A shift away from the above-mentioned parallel-worlds. There's this comment on another thread that says it's OK to stick to one's own race. That's it OK to do business amongst one's own race as one feels it "easier". Bollocks! (pardon my anguage again)."

Noticed how he conveniently changed my key words from "mix" to "shift", and in his later sentence, again substitude the word "comfortable" with "easier", and in the process changed the entire meaning of my two averments! He probably consider marrying another race makes him more open than others, and give him the right to judge and equate others who don't a rclose minded acists. By carrying his baggage from this thread to another and spinning the facts and meanings (basically lying), he lost the moral high ground to ask Malaysians to "totally shift their mentally".

I also share your views on Teng. Branding him a racist by his one act of refusing to wear a songkok is surely unfair by any standard. Moreover, there are plenty of chinese (as one commenter put it) who consider wearing a songkok as symbolising "masuk melayu". Non-chinese may not be aware of the seriously implications of its implication to the chinese race. Like religion, it is very hard to "just ignore" such deeply entrenched cultural norms that has its roots in chinese history (and constantly reinforced in TV series!), where those who choose to be a "court official" on such ground are considered to have sold out their race. That's why this is no small matter to them.

However, I also do share LChuah's and RPK's concern that Teng by reason of him holding on to his "principle" may jeopardize the bigger mission of the moment, that is uniting the fragilly composed opposition collition into one solid force. In comparison, it would make more sense to make a small and temporary sacrifice of one's principle for the sake of something more important and larger. After all, so much hard work has been put in to bring us to where we are today. It is for this reason, I would not object to wearing the songkok not only in ceremony but even in other occasion if the cirsumstances needed it. In this context, I do not blame RPK for being so worked up as he is a key factor to making today's achievements possible.

What you and I adopt is similar in that we should not blame Teng for holding on to his principle. Under other circumstances, most people would have admired leaders like Teng who hold on to their principles in wake of such rebukes from so many people.

It is nice sharing with you.

Milo
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written by Milo, March 23, 2008 14:17:18
corrections:
..."mix" to "stick"...

..equate others who don't a close-minded racists.
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written by Milo, March 23, 2008 14:31:27
written by lawling: However, it must be pointed
out that any journalist writing anything derogatory about Islam may incur the wrath of militant zealots who will not hesistate to kill him. One famous journalist was killed for writing articles critical of the religion. They set a car bomb in his car and he was blown up in Ankara some years ago.
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That is the reason why many people (including myself) do not agree with an Islamic State in Malaysia, despite all the assurances from PAS. For similar reasons, I would also not agree to the formation of a Christian, Buddhist or Hindu State.

All religions are necessarily divisive (if allowed in the Public domain) as the basis of beliefs(except for one or two) is derived from faith (which by definition is blind trust) and not from reason. Hence, no amount of reasoning will change a religious leader views as they are boxed in by their religious teachings which cannot be question. Since each faith holds on to different "truths", how can we unite people of different religion together without asking them to give up on their "truths"? Religion and state should always be seperated by this very reason.
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written by lawling, March 23, 2008 16:51:39
If you look at Iran,the leaders there have great integrity! When Khomeini died, he left behind only a prayer mat! They really believe in " Blessed are the poor, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven!" The present Iranian President sleeps on the floor, not even on a bed. He is driven by his beliefs and not by wanting to amass wealth!
The Iranian Revolutionary Guards are equally dedicated to their faith and cannot be bribed.

For this kind of honesty and integrity in our part of the world, I would say our Mentri Besar Nik in Kelantan
Aziz of Kelantan shines like a beacon for others to follow.He is a good example of a Man of God.
The present Chief Minister of Penang, LGE, is also walking a straight path. So is the Mentri Besar of Selangor!
With such examples,we are sure to have a better tomorrow! Alhamdulilah!
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written by renoir, March 24, 2008 02:34:54
Rhan wrote:
>If Teng disagree to wear it doesn’t mean he is a racist, but if he change his mind and wear it on Monday, doesn’t in anyway indicate he is not racist.]]

I agree. Wearing or not wearing by itself cannot be used as a yardstick to measure racist intent, or the lack of. And yes, it's what Teng has done over the years, and not this one specific refusal to comply with certain dress codes, that one should use to evaluate his "racism" or the lack of.

I also wrote that those who think Teng didn't have reasons for his action (or non-action) are mistaken. As an individual non-Malay citizen, he knows the discrimination he faced in terms of access to higher education, government loans, civil service jobs, etc. As a politician, he knows that such discriminations are not necessarily enforced for the sake of deserving bumis but more often than not, for the privileged, the rich and powerful. And he knows too, that laws involving etiquette or dress code, what to wear at college commencements or functions involving royalty, are often made by the same group of privileged people. As such, it would be natural for him to resist what he sees as further erosion of his rights not merely as a citizen, but also as a human being. What more when a significant number of people in his constituency share this worldview.

If we look at the situation as basically that of, on one side, people who devise and enforce rules, and on the other side, people who are told to obey rules, then it's really difficult to argue that disobedience is racist, while promoting and enforcing the rule couldn't be racist. Resistance to any rule, even right ones, is never racist, for it's by definition passive and does not directly infringe on the rights of anyone. Coercion - whether by law or custom - often could be, for again by definition it necessarily impinges on individual or group rights. And if this is true of "right" rules, what more can we say about rules that are seen to privilege one community over the rest.

If what I say here makes even a bit of sense, one should already be more careful before hitting Teng with the "racist" tag. For if we place the case of the non-bumis, regarding their citizenship and indeed rights of simply being human, to the rest of the world, I've little doubt that the racist label would be attached to those in power, rather than to those on the receiving end. This is partly why Hindraf's actions has managed to resonate in large parts of the world.

Milo wrote:
>What you (Rhan) and I adopt is similar in that we should not blame Teng for holding on to his principle]]

And I share that position with you and Rhan. My regret is, as you noted, the slight setback it might cause to the present momentum Malaysians have achieved in their march towards inclusiveness. We can, as Lincoln put it, "nobly win or meanly lose," our latest attempt to save the nation. Luckily, as RPK characterizes it, it's really a storm in a songkok, without much effect - either way - on our famous coalition of the just.

LChuah
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written by Y2TE, March 24, 2008 10:24:42
I just can't get thru my comments, tried few times but still failed. ???
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written by Y2TE, March 24, 2008 10:36:52
Dear RPK,


I agree with you absolutely wrt your comments on "that Chinese man " and all you wrote wrt the attire & dress code as required by the NPC and many other similar clubs in our country. However, that " Chinese man " and many other Chinese for that matter the Non - Muslim have all their reasons to be afraid of the " Islamic State " not only because it was suggested by PAS but also of this being elaborated by UMNO, and carried on by the Chinese - based ruling parties. They are all politics talks ( including that of PAS ) for their own political mileage, in which they stated in the press on banning this and banning that; and chopping hands and others which frightened the non-Muslim ( I believe it frighten many Muslim as well )


I have stayed in Tanah Merah Kelantan for over 3 years from early 1985 to end 1988 during the PAS rule in Kelantan. All the races there and then were ( I believe they still are ) good friends and neighbours though I cannot say that they are like brothers. I do not object the wearing of songkok as I did wear one in my AMS award in year 2000 ( & I still keep that songkok ). So I can say that I am neither afraid nor phobia of songkok nor PAS rule. However, the " Islamic States" issues put up in the Chinese papers ( by the Chinese - based Political parties ) have definitely achieved their missions; and hence you may not be that annoyed or upset to " that Chinese man " ( and many others ) for those issues if you were to read from the Chinese newspapers wrt to the imposition of " PAS Phobia " therein. You may just imagine that DAP were also / have also been dragged into the Islamic state issues ( and hence they have tried to be seen to dissociate with PAS all these whiles though most of their leaders are much much politically aware of the same than me ).

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written by Milo, March 24, 2008 13:05:02
Dear Sagaladoola, I could easily answer your posers, but really, we have been on the songkok issue far too long. What ever needed to be discussed are already well-discussed. If you still cannot get the essence or still in a fault-finding mode, there will be no end on how to satisfied your thirst. It is all right, but you will have to find other people to discuss the subject I do not wish to drag on this issue and bore the readers here. However, it bears to know we are on the same side and I do appreciate you are contributing well to this thread. Keep up the good work.

Milo
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written by Milo, March 24, 2008 13:08:48
In case you misread, those of my postings you quoted are meant for Camillus and not targeted at you. So let's give the debate a rest.
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written by Milo, March 24, 2008 20:03:13
Sagaladoola, I am narrow-minded indeed, and you are of course broad minded. I am sure every one in this thread can agree. So I cannot help you. I do recommend LChuah as your mentor, is he acceptable to you?

And yes, as you imply, we made a mistake voting for PKR-DAP-PAS. They are so racist, stupid and imperfect. They should learn from you, and follow your way to perfection. Please Sshow them your way of right governance, be their consultant. Advise them the importance of the songkok. We should put the songkok above everything else because it is a non-religious item. If they do not listen to you, let's just turn around and keep the BN in power for the next 50 years. Why should we give the opposition a chance when they are so imperfect? I totally follow your logic now, it is so undeniable only a fool can miss it. That's the way forward....waste no more time...let's support Badawi and wack these useless opposition. You lead the way!
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written by letsbefair, March 30, 2008 08:04:09
The human race is by nature a great copycat and this very behaviour is what makes us all better or worse. But if we use our brains and only adopt what is good and resist what is not we progress.

For several hundred years the most powerful people are from the West and they literally controls everything thus in order to become relevant we must learn from them and the Chinese are no exception. The Chinese would even include Western names to address themselves even if some of the names are Jewish! Thus we would find it "fashionable" to be called by names like Elizabeth Wong, Terresa Kok, Tony Pua, Jeff Ooi but you will not get names like Rafidah Wong, Nurul Kok, Hishamuddin Pua or Najibbulah Ooi... smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
Christianity is also more acceptable than Islam for the same reason. Clothing, need I have to say more?
Unless there is very good reason like getting a Datukship no one would want to put on a songkok and a Datukship comes with it priviledges... smilies/wink.gif
Non-Muslim Chinese convert to Islam for love and not because of anything else.

My parents put me and my siblings in English medium schools because they believed that we would have better futures. But today me, my brothers and sister without second thought enrol all our children in Chinese schools for the same reason.
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written by Milo, April 02, 2008 15:43:30
letsbefair, your sharing above has a few telling points that I support.

1. Humans do act according to what we belief to be best for us or our children. For most, the maintenance of our culture is very close to our heart. Any action that threatens (imaginary or othrwise)to corrupt our culture will usually met with resistence. The reaction to to wearing the songkok by non-malays is precisely because of this factor.

2. The use of english names is popular because it is convinient, felt stylish and modern - and most importantly, it does not make us felt we have lose any part of us. It tends to lift our status rather than to lower it. For those who uses an english name, they do not feel they have "masuk English" just by using the english. Even then, most of the non-english in Malaysia do not use an english. This tells us that there are those who belief the use of an english name (stylish as it is) do affect our chinese or malay or indian value system. This would also tell us why people resist using a malay name (which is strickly speaking not a religious issue), as it neither gives us a stylish or modern feel, though it equally give us the convinient, e.g. David Wong v Ahmad Wong.

The above arguements apply to the songkok issue, and explains why it is not an issue with the same people (who resisted wearing a songkok) have no problem wearing a base ball cap. Those who argue on the "fact" that wearing a songkok should be a non-issue for everyone as it is "merely cultural" item, obviously do not understand that the world revolves around perception and not facts/ realities/logic alone. Look arond us: Why do companies advertise their products? Is it to influence perception or logic of using their products? i too send my children to chinese school, not because I am racist, but because I want them to learn three languages rather than two - and learning mandarin is useful because China is already one of the most influencial market in the world!
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