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When PAS took over Kelantan in 1990, the state had debts of almost RM700 million. Today, after 18 years, Kelantan's debts are only RM11 million, which is actually just the interest on the loans and which the federal government is squeezing from the state -- the loan amount has all been repaid long ago.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

My latest piece in The Corridors of Power, Small things please small minds, appears to have attracted a lively debate. But the debate is focused only on the part about non-Malays, in particular from DAP, refusing to wear a songkok when having an audience with the Rulers, even if that audience involves getting sworn in as a State Assemblyman or State EXCO Member. This is Teng Chang Khim's latest post in his Blog in reply to my comment in that article. I have also published an earlier posting from his Blog dated 25 July 2006 plus a piece from The Star dated 11 August 2007.

 

Beware of the BN controlled media

Yes, I forgot to remind Raja Petra and his readers. Please beware of the BN-controlled media for digging up and pitting the old issues, including the songkok issue, against us.

Seek clarification among us, since we are in the same boat, before putting anything into writing. That will help to reduce unnecessary controversy.

Teng Chang Khim, Sunday, 15 March 2008

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DAP Sarawak roars

Proceedings in the Sarawak State Assembly has certainly turned lively with the emergence of the DAP 6 elected representatives.

The Sin Chew Jit Poh reported today that the 6 DAP representatives refused to wear the ceremonial dress, commonly known as No. 1 suit, while attending the opening ceremony of the assembly yesterday.

It has been the DAP policy not to wear the No. 1 suit which comes with a songkok. I have never worn one since 1995.

I had even protested when the invitation cards to attend the swearing in ceremony of Tan Sri Abu Hassan Omar as the Selangor Menteri Besar at Alam Shah palace in 1997 stated, unprecedentedly, that all the guests were required to wear songkok. Upon my protest, the directive was withdrawn.

However, the palace had later again imposed the ruling after the present Sultan came to the throne. Since then, I had never attended any official functions that required the wearing of songkok.

Teng Chang Khim, Tuesday, 25 July 2006

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Songkok ruling for Perlis honours recipients

THE Perlis Government has made it compulsory for non-Malays to wear a songkok when attending the investiture ceremony in conjunction with the Raja of Perlis' birthday, reported Nanyang Siang Pau.

The daily said that Chinese association and political party leaders who were honoured were caught in an awkward situation, and that some had declined to receive their titles at Istana Arau.

According to the newspaper, this was the first time such a rule was implemented. Those honoured had received the invitation and a letter that stated the requirement when attending the ceremony.

The Star, Saturday, 11 August 2007

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To be fair, not all DAP members abide by the anti-songkok party 'ruling' so it would be unfair of me to whack all DAP members and leaders across the board. The DAP Selangor Secretary, Lau Weng San, defied that ruling and did wear a songkok and some DAP veterans who resented Lau's action, which they view as 'trying to become a Malay' and 'selling out the Chinese', whacked him to kingdom come. Lau was brave enough to do what he thought was the right thing to do but had to suffer a tongue lashing from his fellow DAP members. He, however, just licked his wounds without any protest and chalked it up as just one of things.

Okay, if DAP has now modified its stand since it is no longer in the opposition when it first opposed the songkok ruling and now, since it is the government, it would like to tone down its anti-songkok stance, that would indeed be a most welcome move. But let us move on and look at the other points in my piece which no one has thus far talked about.

The four new states under opposition control -- Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor -- are soon going to join Kelantan in being starved of cash. The people of Kelantan endured 18 long years and it appears like they are prepared to face another 18 years without money and with little development. Terengganu, which has the same racial make-up and which fell to the opposition in 1999, lasted only one term under opposition control. In 2004, the state went back to Umno-Barisan Nasional and has remained under ruling coalition control ever since. In spite of the 8 March 2008 political Tsunami which hit most parts of the county, Terengganu did not shift. Umno-Barisan Nasional managed to keep the state and prevented the Tsunami from entering its borders.

That is a more important issue than whether non-Malays should wear a songkok or not. So, if DAP no longer wants to make the headgear matter an issue, then well and good. But that still does not address the matter of: when will the State EXCO be sworn in, who are those in the State EXCO, what portfolios will they hold, have PKR, DAP, and PAS come to an agreement on how many EXCO positions each of the three parties will get, what additional portfolios will the Selangor Menteri Besar get and are his portfolios too little or too many?

And even more important: what is the budget required to run the state to ensure that the operational costs, salaries, loans, etc. can be serviced?

When PAS took over Kelantan in 1990, the state had debts of almost RM700 million. Today, after 18 years, Kelantan's debts are only RM11 million, which is actually just the interest on the loans and which the federal government is squeezing from the state -- the loan amount has all been repaid long ago. And they achieved this without any federal funding. On top of that, the PAS Kelantan government also managed to pay all their operational costs and salaries. No one was retrenched or suffered a salary cut except for the State Assemblymen who are paid just RM3,000 per month, way below what the other states are paying their Assemblymen.

When PAS took Terengganu in 1999, the operational cost, salaries, etc., totalled RM600 million a year. A few months later the federal government withdrew the 5% Oil Royalty of RM800 million a year (now it is about RM1 billion). With the loss of this Oil Royalty, Terengganu's income got reduced from more than RM1 billion to just RM300 million a year. But it's operational cost was double that, RM600 million a year. So how to cover the RM600 million cost with the RM300 million income?

Terengganu slashed its RM600 million expenditure to RM300 million so that it could make ends meet. On top of that, they abolished the toll on the Terengganu Bridge, they abolished cukai pintu (house assessment), and they introduced a welfare system for the poor and needy so that no family living below the poverty level needs to become destitute. Of course, with this type of economic programme, and with the massive federal loans incurred by the previous Umno government also to be serviced, there was absolutely no mega-developments in the state. Unfortunately, the Terengganu citizens are not as degil as the Kelantanese, and in 2004 they decided to give the state back to Umno just so that they could again see development.

As soon as Umno took over in 2004, the Terengganu government reintroduced cukai pintu (they in fact tried to claim the 'back taxes' which had been waived by the previous PAS government but because of wide protests the government abandoned the idea) and now spends RM1 billion a year on frivolous and wasteful projects plus another RM1 billion or so on 'expenses'.

What are we going to see in Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor? Have the new state governments sat down to crunch the figures? Without federal funding, how much money is at the disposal of the states? How much does it cost to run these states and is the income, in the absence of federal funding, enough to pay the cost of running these states?

No, wearing a songkok on your head is not going to solve all these problems. You can even wear a songkok to bed and to the toilet and still you will never be able to balance a deficit budget. We need to know whether we have a government yet in Selangor, the most important of the five states under opposition control, and whether this new government has got its act together and knows what to do. We do not want in five years' time the citizens of Selangor do what the citizens of Terengganu did in 2004, give the state back to Umno-Barisan Nasional because they would rather have federal funding than a clean and efficient government.

Kelantanese are Kelantanese. Even Terengganu can't tahan like Kelantan. Come the next election, will the citizens of Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor act like the Kelantanese or like those from Terengganu? That is what needs to be addressed and can only be addressed once we stop squabbling over how many EXCO positions each party should get and instead get down to running the states.

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written by sampalee, March 16, 2008 13:47:19
The songkok issue is dead and done with,get on to the real business on the job given by us [rakyat].Run the state with care and responsibilities.If the fedarak govt resort to unfair pressue,we the BOSS will come up and assist you.
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written by Heikal, March 16, 2008 13:54:04
Since Barisan Rakyat states wont get any federal funding, then Kelantan, Kedah, Penang, Perak, Selangor, Kuala Lumpur might as well form together and become an independant nation/state. Since the central government is not going to give us developemnet projects, why shoul BR states rakyat pay taxes to them. BR had conquered the imporatant states in Malaysia, Kedah-most rice come from there, Penang and Selangor-the country's major indutrial hub and main gateway to the country(port), Kuala Lumpur-most companies in Malaysia is based there. If we can just separate us from UMNOsia the people on other states will suffer hunger due to Perlis is te only one giving them rice, and Johor is probably the only UMNOsia state that will survive.

Do not worry about Sabah and Sarawak, the oil is going to run soon anyway.
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written by Chuan, March 16, 2008 13:58:29
Yes, it will be much more interesting and constructive to look at how the new government is going to solve the funding issues.

Show the rakyat you are serious about shaping the future of fellow Malaysians, which is why your party has existed in the first place.

Remember, we are not just the BOSS, but we are a CUSTOMER as well, and a very fussy one at that!
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written by fireduck, March 16, 2008 14:04:03
What's the significance of the songkok, anyway? We voluntarily put on baseball cap, cowboy hat, etc., but if the songkok is just part of the official dress code, then go with the flow. No big deal. But if there are more to it, can someone enlighten us on the significance or the connotations, please?

I agree that there are much more important issues to be dealt with than the songkok issue.

Now, what I want to ask is this. Can the federal govt really withhold funding to the state govts? Is that legal? If that is possible, than can the rakyat choose not to pay federal taxes, but instead pay to the state? Serious questions here. While I was working in the US, I had to pay federal taxes, AND state taxes. But I get a rebate from the federal govt when I submit the amount of state tax that I pay. Perhaps we should push for this then.

And if the federal govt withhold the funding, then may I know what they are going to do with the 'extra' money in the federal coffers? I know what some of you will jumo up and say .... ha, its a loaded question.

If the federal does this to Selangor, Penang, and the other 3 states, I say we rakyat will have to work harder come the next election, and not just deny the 2/3 again, but deny the BN the majority. Period!

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written by krising1, March 16, 2008 14:16:16
Denying federal funds to the Democratic Corridor means that the rakyat is being punished for exercising their legitimate democratic rights. Make that an issue in the next election, whenever that happens. Bukan dia punya bapa punya duit!

Pak Bodoh's talk to respect the democratic will of the rakyat and heal the rift means nothing if federal funding is denied to the states in the Democratic corridor.

The MB of Negri Sembilan also said that he will not stop funding to the opposition constituencies. If he keeps his word, I will have more respect for him than previously when I dismissed him as mercedes salesman.

So let us wait and see. When DSAI comes to Parliament, we might see a few kataks from the land below the wind jumping to changes sides.

It is also not far fetched if the MCA and MIC MPs switched sides. If they are clever and really want to serve their constitunents, thats the way to go!
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written by temenggong, March 16, 2008 14:16:52
Songkok issue should be left to the individual's preferences, as long as he wears a suit, baju melayu, chinese suit or indian nehru suit. Let us reflect our culture which is multi cultural and not monocultural as BN made it to be. All state events where the sultan is in attendance should have kompang and anglung, plus chinese lion dance, shaolin drums, indian nadesvaram and melam drums, sumazau and kulintangan ensembles, ngajat sapek and agung ensembles, as part of welcoming and performace ceremonies.

Luckily all the 5 opposition states do not have the resource-curse like Trengganu. There should be no problem for all these 5 states to balance their budgets plus save on wasteful expenditure. We could probably save RM 50 million from wasteful projects in Selangor alone. No more wasteful trips and seminars. Existing federal loans could be a problem though and has to be worked out.

Since bank interest rates are low there is no reason why these states cannot borrow some modest amounts to fund infrastructure and projects that repays immediately. The repayments could cover the loan. For instance these states could open up land for vegetables, flowers and fruits cultivation just like the Felda Scheme and repayment could be immediate within a year.

To win the people over quit rent could be abolished and assessments stayed. Corporate sponsorships should be sought for specific events.
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written by Jhimsi, March 16, 2008 14:24:13
Dear RPK,

I am glad you wrote this article. As of late, your site has become a hate site for the Lim father and son and the DAP.

I was wondering when are we the BR going to discuss more on the 'bread and butter' issues.

I am sure Husam Musa has something to do with this article. God bless Husam Musa.
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written by billykbk, March 16, 2008 14:26:36
As the stand on "songkok" taken by DAP Teng Chang Khim was in 2006, sometime at the height of anti-BN/anti-establishment period, it would be fair and constructive to let the matter rest. If Teng feels obligated to shed some lihght on his recent reaction and rejection, so much the better.

In fact, of late ppl in DAP have become more emboldened to express their views explicitly, without fear or favour. Hope this augurs well for the party. Teng and even Lim Kit Siang will NEVER be spared the wrath and brickbats of members like me. The fiasco early this week regarding LKS's infamous remarks and the ensuing responses fromboth DAP and non-DAP members exemplifies the prevailing trend......Stay alert and awake, my dear comrades. Your past laurels are nothing compared to your existing responsibilities.....Don't fail us!!!
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written by The dragonheart, March 16, 2008 14:27:21
The only why to survive is to work as a team. If Parties leaders are more concern about the number of seats they won and why they are not elected as MBs and forget about the two unsolved main objectives of the NEP, and questioning the rights of the Malays and Islam... the team will crack.

Everyone must put their pride aside and go and learn from Kelantan. They may be poor but they survive and able to pay salaries, maintain the state, pay all their debts and the Rakyat are always happy and thankful.

To me the first and foremost reason for the Survival of Kelatan for 18 years despite of been attacked, pressured and sabotaged by the federal government is because their leaderships' cohesiveness and teamwork and they always turn to Almighty Allah for guidance and help to strengthen their will power to stand on their rocks.


I hope all Menteri Besar and Ketua Menteri and all political leaders, are willing to work together as team players and moving forward holistically by helping each other. And with a strong numbers of MPs a greater pressure can be forced in Parliament against BN.
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written by temenggong, March 16, 2008 14:31:17
Teng need not address the songkok issue. That is his personal preferences on attire, and too intrusive for us to enquire. He either attends the royal ceremony or not.
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written by Wisdom above, March 16, 2008 15:06:16
Shall all 4 new BR (DAP,PKR,PAS) governments invite the Auditor General Office to audit all 4 State accounts of the Ex- BN states Govt? Federal Law provision.

Does the BN Govt action to withhold federal Fundings to all 5 BR states Govt 'Ultra Vires' the Federal Constitution ?

I appreciate all 'BR' Legal Advisers study all aspects of the Federal Constitution regarding Supply Bills tabled, debated , voted , passed in previous Parliament sittings.

So start cracking your heads, split hair if you have to.

In UK , US , by withholding Federal Funding, you simply fade away ..

Please think as a State Government.

..What I voted for is Barisan Rakyat.

..The collective voices of everybody has to continue

Yes , you are right.

I also cast my ballot for Barisan Rakyat.

Syabas. Barisan Rakyat.
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written by adisi, March 16, 2008 15:08:45
I posted this up on Jeff Ooi's Screenshot on what he could do with Penang's new state administration. I hope this piece would be applicable to all states as well. Hope we can have richer discussion on more important matters.

I would like to echo what RPK has iterated here. Please spend our time on more valuable discussions i.e. what value does it create out of this discussion. So, everybody, please learn to prioritise. Ask yourself are your inputs creating any value or is it just 'juicy' comments. Else, we are all virtually sitting in a meeting room, lazing off like the govt official who spends enormous of time in meetings but nothing happens after that. Action please! Not just talk cock!

Anyway, here's my input to Screenshot (I've deleted unrelated things for our readings here) :

1: Master plan
Persuade the new MBs/CMs to have a master plan of what to be achieved in the first 100 days. Checkout the best practices of new government coming into power. I'm sure internet savvy chap like you guys can find something on the Web. Worst case- Business Turnaround Plan by Idris Jala of MAS would be a good base to start with. Then, once a plan has been conjured up, everybody in the state can start to work towards it. Of course, please engage with people on the plan to get their buy in and agreed by people. This may be a challenge but your plan must fulfil the people's needs. Engagement, engagement, engagement. That is the very basis of how to become transparent!

When a new CEO of a big corporation is appointed, the first 100 days are crucial as it provides some direction to where he/she will be guiding the company.

So, this should go the same to newly appointed state officers (CM/MB & its EXCOs). If you have your plans for the 1st 100 days, kudos! If not, I’d like to suggest that you work it out. Quickly but not half past six kind of job! We’ve had enough of it.

to be continued...
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written by adisi, March 16, 2008 15:10:02
continue from my previous comment...

2: Org. Structure, Job Management & Pay Philosophy
Work on the Organisational Structure, Job Management & Pay Philosophy. Okay these bits are a bit technical from Human Resource (HR) point of view but I hope you would really consider this in coming out with new Org chart and the jobs that would come with it that would eventually put the state governance in good standards, at par with world class standards.

A good and strong organisation has a robust structure that can withstand the changes both internally and externally but still deliver what it is required to do. So, make sure you have a good org. structure.

Then, secondly, analyse each job in the org chart since different job would have different size (i.e. impact, decision making power, complexity of jobs/works need to be done etc). Get these jobs evaluated and pay people at that job accordingly.

With that, decide what pay philosophy (some call rewards philosophy) you want to engage on. This is where I’d like to highlight a little bit the success of Singapore’s government in wooing people into the government because Singapore gov’t recruit the best out of the best to run the government. I believe this should be the case too for our country but unfortunately, talents in government are not the ‘best of the best’ and are normally leftovers where the best ones have gone to private sector. So, in order to attract, retain and motivate the best talent in the government, you might want to really study what kind of pay philosophy you should be looking at. For instance, I think Singapore’s govt aims to pay the best in the country, even better than the private sector since their impact of the job is bigger. So, have a thought about it because the younger generation of people are quite money minded that you need the carrot and stick to incentive them. Reward people because of their performances. Once the talents are well taken care of, they will give you the best! Then you’ll have group of talents that are really performance based people that in returns should be fulfilling what the people expect out of the government. If they don’t perform, kick their backs out of the government like how General Electric does with their underperformers.

All of the things I’ve said above can be worked out with established HR consultants. And don’t worry; I ain’t selling anything to you because I am definitely not a consultant, but just a young fellow who sees the importance of these things in any organisation. For the sake of your organisation, have good thought of it. If all of this sounds very naïve & novice, pardon me but it works freaking well in big big big corporations.

All the above would address some issues related to the operational cost(OPEX) and best that we spend on putting the right structure/support in the state.

I hope any state leaders who reads this can consider the items I have raised above as it will definitely help managing the state better. Without the right talent, you'll never get work done thus fail to meet people's need - read that your voters. Then come next general election, we all can just be like our friends in Terengganu.
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written by SUV, March 16, 2008 15:14:11
kelante ada minyak gaih smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif..the rest must depend on fdi and entrepreneurship
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written by Milo, March 16, 2008 15:52:20
I think RPK has to understand the real underlying reasons. In particular the olden batch of chinese (and to a large extent even most of the current chinese), wearing a songkok is an insult as it implies selling out of that person soul to gain fame and fortune. To these people, the situation is much like insisting that a muslim must eat pork or eat food together with non-muslim who eat pork on the same table (and I know of muslims who like char siew, a delicacy made from pork) in order to get the job, which is no small matter. Just as it is wrong to brand a muslim small minded for not eating pork with the arguement that park is just food, it is equally wrong to say that people who do not want to wear a songkok is so. I can tell you that even for those who did wear it to accomodate the official requirement, they do so without comfort. I like to point this out so that all can get a clearer perspective on the 'songkok' issue.
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written by Raja Petra, March 16, 2008 16:06:33
Dear Milo, thank you, you certainly helped me look at the Chinese side of things. Yeap, wearing a songkok is like eating pork. I now understand why most Chinese would find a songkok jijik.
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written by aryn, March 16, 2008 16:17:15
What's this about songkok?. Bankrupt of idea that songkok pon nak di jadikan issue? Must I wear one even if I am not muslim? The Perlis govt should be sensitive to non Malays also. Nak pakai ke tak nak pakai ke it's up to them but don't force and make it a ruling.

Pleeeease lah. We have enough of this malays/non malays differences for 50 years now that I just want to puke. Why can't we just get along and respect each other instead of trying to shove down into one's throat something that the non malays don't want to.
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written by tsuchong, March 16, 2008 16:31:04
If they never wear songkok kena whack.
If wore songkok also kena whack. Mainstream media will play it up.

Hidup damn susah man.

But anyway, close that chapter and start getting to more important things la.
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written by Tan SN, March 16, 2008 16:56:41
Start doing recycling biz. The state is clean, and a way citizen contribute to state funds. Commodities are rising, trash are valuable.

Attract investment for resources exploration like coal (Hopefully, Malaysian company). I believe Malaysia is bless with many many many natural resources.

Reduce pollution, improve road condition, reduce crime rate, beautify landscape - thus increase land and properties value.

Get influx of ppl from neighbouring states to spend more in opposition states (KL - Selangor) by having sales event, community event, famous food highlight, games event.

Introduce inter-area competition in scope of efficiency, cleanliness, safety, pollution.

Hope this will help

What the crap are all those comments?? Please, start contributing ideas than talking abt the songkok issue.
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written by temanmu, March 16, 2008 17:12:19
One more suggestion, other than cutting wastages, corruption & improving efficiency:

Go after the "big fishes" who gained from the years of corruption. Use the law to seize their ill-gotten gains. Hire good state lawyers & pressure the Federal govt, ACA & AG to take action, if not expose those cronies of all races!

Don't allow the AG to do a great job of being incompetent when the need arises!

Allow amnesty to small fishes ... they were led by bad examples!

Hit the BIG crooks where it hurts ... their pockets! ... and provide them free food & lodging doing time!

AAB, BR will help polish your Mr Clean image!
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written by temanmu, March 16, 2008 17:21:32
cont. ...Pls also renegotiate or cancel those nepotist contracts which are padded more fully that the "Maximiser".

Businesses will flourish with less govt interference... & BR should lead in this! Less unnecessary controls & permits which just aided corruption!
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written by TingMK, March 16, 2008 17:39:39
I agreed that we should not spend too much time on songkot issue.

But allow me to express some of my views. As I know, in Malaysia every Malay is born as muslim (please correct me if i'm wrong), although I did personally met with malay who is not muslim. So this may be the factor why it is hard for some Chinese to wear songkok, because to their understanding songkok is a symbol of Muslim - as female muslims wear tudung, so male muslims wear songkot.

So they refuse to wear songkot for two reasons. First, as for them songkot is a symbol of muslim faith, then they will feel that wearing the songkot is a unfaithful act to their religion, as for a Christian to burn incense in temple or a muslim to worship in a church. Second, they refused to wear it because they respect Islam. As we were taught, non-muslims should not enter into mosques, as it is disrespectful to muslims. So with the same logic, they also think that since they are not muslims, then wearing songkot is disrespect act to muslim.

So it is a need to really convince Chinese, by the experts in Quran, that songkot is purely a Malay custom dress, nothing to do with Islam. Then I believe most Chinese and non-Muslims are willing to wear it when necessary, as like many Chinese like to wear batik.
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written by chiongguo, March 16, 2008 17:56:21
Some 25 years or so ago when I was in University Malaya I decided to join the Kompang group. I had to wear the malay costume , including the songkok. My classmates and college mates of chinese extraction, I am chinese by the way, were very annoyed at my action. One of my classmates came to talk to me and suggested that I pulled out. These are tertiary students and yet could not understand that the songkok has nothing to do with islam. I was a christian then and none of my brothers or sisters in the faith advised me to pull out. You don't need a quranic expert to know that the songkok is a malay traditional head gear and it has nothing to do with covering the aurat. The male aurat is his legs......don't ask me why.

I have seen malays wearing chinese dresses and those beautiful malay ladies wearing the cheongsam look much better than even the chinese themselves
smilies/grin.gif . Someone should design cheongsam using batik. And btw. batik actually orginated in india smilies/wink.gif

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written by budakindia, March 16, 2008 18:04:20
But isn't songkok design is pirated from India? You can ask Zainuddin Maidin! I hope he won't answer it like in the interview with Al-Jazeera! Just try asking him questions that needed hi to say Yes or No! But he started his antics with Yes,yes errr..no,no,no! You might as well ask the Kimma guys! smilies/grin.gif
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written by harrbm, March 16, 2008 19:53:51

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well, come to think of it. Maybe what YM RPK is getting at is more than the songkok issue. Is it something to do with culture issues if the leaders of the state or this country is a non malay?

Culture and traditions are very important and is a BIG issue. I dont know yet, but we Malaysians must come to terms with different cultures that we have.

How ya?

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written by SotPlug, March 16, 2008 20:15:11
I partially agree with Milo. Yes, wearing a songkok can be viewed as an insult to some 'old school' Chinese. But it is never to the extend of asking a Malay to eat pork. A better comparison will be asking the Malays to wear Chinese clothes if they want to do business with Chinese. I'm sure there'll be some Malays who don't mind, and there'll be also some others who'll riot for a new May13.
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written by jolmy, March 16, 2008 20:28:54
Perhaps you seen that on TV news, during Hari Raya, the newscasters irrespective of race wear Malay costume, on Chinese New Year, they wear Chinese costume and during Deepavali Indian costumes.

In the end, it is just the mindset of people. I do agree some of these 'old school' Chinese have problem when being asked to wear Malay costume. But they dont have problem with Western costume.

I can even tell you, during festivals like Hari Raya and Deepavali, I as a Chinese wish another Chinese friend Selamat Hari Raya and Happy Deepavali, he feels weird why I wish him that and sometimes even say he is not malay or indian. But, they have no problem if being wished Merry Christmas (he's not a Christian).

Until the mindset of these people change, you can expect such issues will crop up from time to time.
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written by Milo, March 16, 2008 20:55:07
The issue at hand is not about wearing songkok by non-malays, but whether it should be voluntary or compulsory.

Looking at the problem we had over the chinese elected rep not willing to wear a songkok already demonstrated that the sensitivity is real – otherwise, there would have been no issue at all.

The pork example is just a metaphor to show why we should net generalise. Just as there are muslims who take pork (illegally as it is) or do not mind sharing food with people eating pork besides them, but we cannot generalise because of that that all muslims should not be offended if you take pork on the same table with them or offer them such. Of course there are those who would not mind wearing a songkok or even a tudung, just as there are more liberal muslims, but it is wrong to blame those who do mind.

In the 60's, many chinese parents (in my kampung at least) actually worry if the government may one day impose the compulsory wearing of songkok on their children. Perception-wise, it is like you will become 'malay' (I did not say 'Islam'), and this perception makes it uncomfortable for them. Again there is nothing wrong being more malay or even becoming a muslim, but it should not be forced. Similarly some muslims may feel it is less Islamic not to wear a tudung while other muslims do not – should we force every muslim to wear a tudung also?

Historically, the Manchus had forced upon the chinese to wear a pig-tailed or get their head cut off. Everyone did then because of the royal degree, but how many are happy? They can still wear a pig-tail today, and there is nothing wrong if it is on their own choice.

I often heard the statement that we should be sensitive to the malays' feelings (which we should), but why not also apply this principle to other races as well? If it is only a dress code as some said, why make it such a 'must' when it can be sensitive to some people with different value systems?

Of course, we can still insist that there is nothing wrong with that requirement or even demand that every citizen wear a songkok, but is that wise?
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written by Milo, March 16, 2008 20:56:31
Sagaladoola, Richard did it voluntarily, not forced. That's the difference.
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written by Milo, March 16, 2008 21:13:41
Sagaladoola, just because the headgear is not sensitive to Richard Brason does not mean it is the same to everyone. As a good example, one campaigning issue against Tengku Razaligh when he contested TDM was the headgear he wore is East Malaysia which is deemed a christian headgear although it is not.

Sensitivity means understanding some love chilli, others don't.
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written by DontPlayGod, March 16, 2008 21:18:50
If we have problems, or ideas, at least we can write into this blog and hopefully, the BR parties will read them and consider them. Or we can even write to LKS, or to the other party websites and say our piece. But with UMNO/BN, they are too aloof and high class for us to say anything to them. And that is why they flopped in this G.E. Any comments or suggestions is run down by UMNO/BN. And they will never apologize for their stupid mistakes, e.g. the leaking MP who passed a sexist remark but saw it unnecessary to apologize. That Bung Mokhtar MP who always like to call people monkeys or pass unsavoury, racist, and insulting remarks in parliament will never apologize. To them apologizing is something beneath their dignity.

And remember the UMNO cybertroopers attempt to insult M-T bloggers. If UMNO had really wanted to listen to the people, they too would have answered to some of the issues in M-T in an intellectual manner. But I suppose they had nothing to say, and hence all they did was try to harass and be a nuisance in M-T.
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written by nowinnofee, March 16, 2008 22:27:08
I wonder if these fellas ( sorry I will be calling the opposition this until they earn the respect of the citizens of Malaysia)have attended English lessons where they would remember the idiom " can see wood for the tree" . This is because that is what is currently happening. Really if they dont know that , than they dont deserve the positions we as the citizens have been kind enough to provide them with. What can I say..except...GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!
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written by nowinnofee, March 16, 2008 22:28:18
Correction, in my irritation with these fellas..i meant CANT SEE WOOD FOR THE TREES
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written by Catharsis, March 16, 2008 22:47:54
IF DAP REFUSE TO ADAPT TO THE EVERCHANGING POLITICAL LANDSCAPE DAP WILL BE IN A STATE OF OBLIVION IN THE DAYS AHEAD. WHAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR IS HARPING ON MINOR ISSUES WHILE NEGLECTING ON POLICY FORMULATION- EVEN IF THEY DO COME UP WITH POLICIES THEY ARE SO POORLY FORMULATED THEY FALL APART
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written by Milo, March 16, 2008 22:49:55
harrbm: with due respect dear Milo, you got it wrong again. The issue is whether to be sensitive or insensitive to the traditions of the Malay Sultanate. Whether it is good or bad political stand for now.
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Dear harrbm, You are making a wrong assumption about my personal stand. I would have wore the songkok and get the ceremony over with as it is not a big deal considering the more important issue at hand. In that respect we are both thinking the same. But just because I think the same does not mean I should not respect others with different value system as me. I am merely pointing out that making it compulsory can be a big issue with some people who are not malay or muslim. And for that matter, the sultans may not be aware of it, and should be made aware. Tradition can change, even if it is with the Sultans.

Imagine: What if the traditions of the Malay sultanate have been to require ALL Council members must pray in a mosque before they can be accepted? How would you have responded if you are a buddhist, hindu or christians? Of course, the issue at hand is not that serious, but the principle is still the same. Can we fairly say they are at fault for being insensitive to the Sultan's tradition?

That's why I ask for understanding when everyone is blaming these reps. If the Sultan is as modern and understanding as I hope they are, they can always carry on the ceremony without having to blame the reps for not attending. Cooperation comes from understanding. If we ask the collision parties to understand each other, we must walk the talk. As we do what we feel is right, we must understand why sometimes others cannot follow.
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written by GuaL, March 16, 2008 22:50:06
Hmm,

I don't want to get involve in the Songkok thing as it is too petty.

Anyway, these are my hopes for the new government, among others:

1) Food
We need to have cooperation from all basic necessities producers, especially the distributors and the retailers on not just being selfish by taking advantage of situation. Come on, a price hike of 10 cents in petrol doesn't augurs well with 10 or 20 cents hike in basic necessities like sugar, flour, milk etc.

2) Shelter
Ok, this is the hard part for me to even utter it out since it may seem "sensitive". Let me just use the bungalows as the yard stick, as that is the ultimate of Malaysian Malaysia if I read it correctly in between the lines. At the moment, if we take 1000 bungalow owners and group them in one place, and we asked someone to throw 10 pebble at them, chances are 9 out of 10 will hit a Chinese head. Now, the question is, how do we change this is such a way that maybe it will hit Indian heads 2 out of 10, and maybe 3 out of 10 to Malay heads, and the rest 5 hit Chinese heads. Then, we will all will live peacefully as Malaysian Malaysia.

3) Education
The price of books are still considered very (VERY) expensive compared to other nation. Some say we don't have economic of scales so that publishers can produce a specific edition for Malaysia as a country (paperback edition) like in Philippines, India, China etc. It goes back to the basic bread and butter thing where auxiliary expenses such as books are neglected. I would like to see how the new government can encourage the reading habit by reducing the barrier for the low income groups to get their reading habits installed and perfected on. Perhaps, the free public libraries can be utilized to its maximum potential by bringing in new and updated books, but it depends on how the budget is prepared. This is the basic necessity in education that I see, among others.

Ok, enough for now.
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written by GHT, March 16, 2008 23:06:09
Dear RPK,

BR politicians are required not only to lead but to educate so that a truly Malaysians Malaysia can be achieved. Successfully elected Adun Teng Chang Khim and members of DAP need not have to hold on to their old egos and create a non-issue of songkok for themselves. They have been successfully elected not because of the Chinese votes alone but because of the swing votes of the Malays, Indians and other races as well.

My mother and aunties from Penang used to wear nyoya attires ie baju Melayu, sarong batik, kerongsang, etc to weddings and other important functions during the pre and post Merdeka years without much problems. It was the essential and a proper dress code then. Due to the play up by politicians , after merdeka, anything to do with Malay became sensitive to the Chinese.

Due to the ruling party of the day i.e. UMNO imposing various Malay skewed policies i.e NEP, etc. the Chinese were afraid of losing their rights and customs, became suspicious and sensitive of all things that the government imposed on to them. The wearing of songkok and Malay attires are some of them.

Things certainly have now changed. My wife and children and together with their many friends now a days frequently wear baju kurong and even Panjabi costumes to work and outings. As for myself, wearing sarong to sleep is so much more comfortable.

It is true it is the politicians that are the culprits of the 'divide and rule' problems in this country. Adun Teng Chang Khim and members of DAP, PKR and PAS has definitely need to play their roles to lead and create a new racial bias free attitude among Malaysians. If we continue to hang on to the old biasness, it will be pointless to talk of race base free political party. Political leaders must, therefore not only lead but take the responsibility to educate Malaysians in their thinking and doing what is righteous and right for the country. Not only just thinking of short term popularity.
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written by Milo, March 16, 2008 23:06:57
mimag2005,

1. I merely say don't blame these reps because of the reasons given above. I didn't say I don't understand the Istana Protocol.

2. I happened to know quite a bit of Richard background and do admire many of his eagle brain qualities. But he is also a ADHD who is quite a womaniser and alcohol drinker, would any Muslim accept and follow his lifestyle too?
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written by sheppardlight, March 16, 2008 23:46:10
The baju Melayu worn by the Malays now originated from the chinese, modified to suit the culture here and the songkok from India. The Malays now eat dim sum keow teow, nasi ayam etc etc. And the chinese now eat satay, nasi lemak, lemang and almost anything from the malay dish. So whats the big deal about the songkok? Hai ya! If this songkok pun you cannot setle, how to lead the Goverment? Susah la ini macam!
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written by choong, March 17, 2008 00:16:36
Dear YM RPK,

The first thing that came to my mind if the Fed refuse to fund the States, the tax payers of the States should stop paying taxes to Feds but instead direct such funds to the States. Yet, we all know this is a federal offense hence it is not feasible.

So, the only other thing the States can do is to watch the finances well. Cut costs where possible. Yes, no more big time development. But if the Fed govt policymakers are smart, they should understand the impact of such stupid actions. To let states like Selangor, Penang and Perak to be starve off development funds will definitely affect this country's overall economy. imagine millions are out of jobs and businesses go bust while prices and crime keep going up. is the federal govt prepared to alienate themselves further?

they can mess with a rural state with little economic impact to the rest of the country. but to try the same trick on 5 states which carry substantial economic impact to the rest of the country? i wish BN good luck in the 13th general election since they will definitely receive the boot for economic mismanagement.
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written by renoir, March 17, 2008 03:51:51
Dear Milo, good arguments. Part of my posting under the previous RPK article "small minds....etc.)

LChuah
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To elaborate on an earlier posting:

>About the songkok, what a reader here says is correct: it should be voluntary .... the dress code is just something to emphasize in front of His Highness the unity of the rakyat. It has no other purpose.]]

Notice the first sentence: "It should be voluntary." Why is it important? Divorced from political context, it's a trivial matter. But NOT when seen against decades of blatant racism. This is the racism that, to put it briefly, permitted a few ruffians from one community to say they have the right to 30% of other people's private enterprises, that barred large numbers of qualified students from other communities from public colleges, that turned a civil service paid for largely by other communities in a single, ethnic-based organization, that, in an expression of perverse logic, treated all pleas for equity as anti-national and all demonstrations other than its own as terroristic. To add insult to injury, the communities that enabled this elite to build palaces inside the nation and own properties overseas were often called "orang asing" and "pendatang2." Further, contrary to the Constitution, the pendatang2 soon find themselves attacked for things such as keeping dogs, rearing pigs, and practising different religions. Their places of worship were often restricted, and some even destroyed. Their children couldn't bring lunch to eat at the school cafetaria, couldn't attend college commencement without a tudung, and often had to wear costumes identified with the dominant community.

Given such circumstances, if you're a non-Malay parent, wouldn't you see every instance of wearing a baju kurong as a surrender to racist oppression? Every instance of donning a songkok as a bow to unmitigated tyranny? Not to mention a sellout to your people, a betrayal to the rights of each community as defined by our Constitution? What if the reverse occurred - if Malays were told to cough up the bulk of the country's taxes, but not allowed to build mosques or use a small percentage of those taxes for vernacular schools. What if Malays were told that their children couldn't attend certain public universities or enroll in certain departments. What if a Chinese minister habitually took out a "kuan tow" (a kind of spear) to threaten the Malays and then lamely said that it's a Chinese custom? Then, under this kind of atmosphere, a Malay is told that in order to meet the Sultan he should wear a Mao suit or, in the case of a woman, a qibao? Even if that Malay were to accede to the request, wouldn't his parents, his friends and peers accuse him of selling out his race? Wouldn't shouts of "Takkan Melayu hilang di-dunia" reverberate all over the nation?

For some of us, wearing the songkok isn't a problem partly because we've to some extent survived the system. For myself, I'm very much at home with Malay food, sarong, songs and pantuns and everything else (my mom was a nyonya anyway). My love for this country motivates my call to fellow non-Malay Malaysians to be forgiving, to be magnanimous, to let bygones be bygones for, by the grace of God, the recent GE has given us some hope. Moreover, racism might be an UMNO trait, but that doesn't mean our sultans share that disability. For His Highness (and unlike UMNO), the dress code is simply a way to emphasize the unity of the rakyat.

But don't imagine for a moment that Teng - or some of those older Chinese citizens - don't have good reasons for rejecting the songkok. They do, and to understand that is the first step towards turning this country from its racist mire into a more tolerant, inclusive nation. God bless Malaysia and our royalty.

LChuah
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written by Beautiful Mind, March 17, 2008 03:55:35
Gentlemen, ladies too,

Let's get our priorities right. We have just caused a major upset in the last GE and it is time to get down to business.

I remember a year or two ago, the issue of 'azan' made headlines in the paper and in some blogs. Some were uncomfortable with the azan breaking into the dawn while most are still sleeping and this azan woke them up.

Now we have this 'songkok' issue.

My fear is Barisan Nasional will exploit these issues to get sympathy from voters as these issues are particularly close to the Muslims especially that of the 'azan'. We must never give any allowance for Barisan Nasional to see the weaknesses, the crack and the dis-agreement within otherwise as this may prove disaster for us in the future. Barisan Nasional and their intelligentsia (if they have some that is) will always look for this to attack us. Trust me!.

The job now should begin in earnest. That we all must try and get the economy moving, encourage foreign investment into Malaysia, encourage tourism, find ways to enhance the health and education services – these two are important to the rakyat, improve on the social services, better provision of housing, provide jobs for the unemployed, better policing and more accountability from the judiciary services, complete overhaul of ACA, take control of PETRONAS money and many many more that should be issues of top priority than a songkok.

Most importantly is that we can provide a better standard of living for each and everyone of us. Lets spread the money for everyone and not just a few.

Billionaires and Millionaires must give something back into society. I am sure they will not mind that much.

These are the bread and butter issues which will determine that we can still sustain the support from ordinary Malaysians up and down the country.

Remember the next GE is within 4- 5 years from now. If the rakyat dont like what they see in us. We will be out just like they reject the Barian Nasional in Perak, Kedah, Penang and Selangor.

Our aim now should be focusing on improving on achievements by the Barisan Government and win more States. If we sing the same song, stop the stupid, trivial and mundane arguments, we can achieve them within 5 - 10 years in comparison to Barisan Nasional 50.

Let's get cracking !.
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written by renoir, March 17, 2008 07:07:50
Dear RPK, mimag, and all: I never said the dress code could be voluntary, just the wearing of the songkok. In other words, the dress code could be made something like "either a songkok with suit or just the suit." Surprisingly, when I was a member of the National Press Club no one told me there was a dress code. I didn't find out because I never attended any of the functions - some of which were frivolous, such as learning how to dance the salsa(I think).

At any rate, I think BN's racism will diminish with time. Surely its recent electoral setback is sufficient warning to those still in power that they cannot continue to threaten to drench their keris in Chinese blood, or ignore pleas for a more liberal college enrollment policy. It's possible that with Anwar as the leader, the new coalition will be able to ensure greater racial harmony among Malaysians. The fears of older Chinese - and probably some Indians as well - still exist, I think, and it's difficult to get them to pretend that everything is lovey dovey. But we can do is, besides watching our speech and behavior, appeal to their better instincts. We must all reach out to one another, and a simple first step could be obeying protocol set by the sultan.

BTW, when I was in teacher training here in Malaysia, the dress code for our college library was casual shirt and pants plus shoes. I once went in with "Japanese slippers" and was told that "no one could enter wearing only sandals." So I went out, took off my slippers, and walked in barefooted. Somehow, the folks there thought I wasn't worth their trouble and left me alone long enough to finish my reading!

LChuah
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written by renoir, March 17, 2008 07:14:00
>But we can do is, besides watching our speech and behavior, appeal to their better instincts.]]

Sorry, was in a hurry and didn't sleep all night. Should be "But what we can do is, besides watching our speech ...."

At any rate, it appears that Teng didn't violate the code as he didn't go to the Istana - whether by design or due to something unforeseen. I'll wait for him to clarify.

LChuah
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written by renoir, March 17, 2008 07:16:37
And oh - I forgot, mimag, you might find many an older person couldn't care less about datukships. Some, like Lee Kuan Yew, even considered it an indication of being "bought" by the other side.

LChuah
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written by TruthSayer, March 17, 2008 08:36:13
Choong said :
"The first thing that came to my mind if the Fed refuse to fund the States, the tax payers of the States should stop paying taxes to Feds but instead direct such funds to the States. Yet, we all know this is a federal offense hence it is not feasible."

I am of the same mind. I stay in an opposition controlled state and if my taxes does not go to benefit the state i stay in why should i pay? Where is the principle of justice?

Perhaps, some legal minds here can give an opinion on how we can "legally" pay our taxes directly to the state governments. Withholding federal funding to opposition controlled states is s a form of persecution.

I for one would like to see how the BN controlled federal government will be able to prosecute 10 million citizens who choose to pay their taxes directly to their state governments so that progress and development in the state can continue.
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written by malaysianohope, March 17, 2008 09:01:59
TruthSayer,

Talking about withholding tax to the Federal Government... My suggestion unless anybody can prove me wrong... calculate the correct tax amount then remit it to the State Government (ones controlled by BR) with the understanding that it's for onward payment to the Federal Government. The State Government can then deduct their share and remit balance to the Federal Government. The State Government as our stakeholder will issue us a receipt with a proviso that it's for our tax payment. Just my view!!!
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written by Counterpointer, March 17, 2008 09:18:30
Perhaps you guys should just saunter over to this website on Royal and Palace Customs http://www.malaysianmonarchy.o... Functions to settle this issue.

For the most formal ceremonies, only this is stated:

Note: Malays should wear songkok for all the above mentioned functions.

For the Presentation of Letter of Appointment, Taking of the Oath of Office of PMs, DPMs; 'Dark Lounge Suit' is permitted with this stipultion: (vi) With Songkok for Muslims.


I would interpret this to mean that wearing the songkok would be optional for Non-Malays.

Or does the Perak Royalty has its own specific dress code for the swearing in of MBs?

Storm in a teacup ???

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written by alan cheong, March 17, 2008 09:22:31
Natch, REAL issues must be addressed.

However, forgive me if i miss the point, BUT, p'raps WE need to be educated about the songkok: its significance and its use.

Though an old issue, this can be replayed - and it's coming across as IMPOSING unwanted and unwelcomed will on others. Educate us, and let this be put away once and for all. Otherwise, wither the claimed and professed mutual respect?
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 10:22:11
This will be my last say on the songkok issue as I suspect BN cybertropers are invading this tread. A songkok is a symbol, like cross or a buddha pendent, and symbols carry deep seated meanings for people. You can ask a muslim to wear a chinese dress, but you cannot ask him to wear certain symbols which may contridict his belief system. The extracts below from the net (and there are plenty more}, says it all.

"Songkok is a famous traditional hat for MUSLIM MEN in the region of South East Asia. It normally in black, comes in different sizes, and sometimes accompanied with a beautiful embroidery batik design (with the gold thread) that one can either put it on or off." http://www.malaysiangifts.citymax.com/songkok.html

"The songkok became a familiar sight in the Malay archipelago around the 13th century when Islam began to take roots in the region. The rise in popularity of the songkok were apparently viz-a-viz the propogation of Islam, and this was quite logical because the religion encourages it followeres to cover their heads. In fact it is considered sunat (voluntary good deed) for the Muslim males to don a headgear provided that is is done in good taste." http://www.bruneiresources.com/bruneisongkok.html

People like L Chuah and myself are merely pointing out why wearing the songkok is sensitive to some people. Will a muslim pay respect to jesus if this is part of protocol when meeting the Queen of England?

Of course, we can choose to shut our ears to complaints when Hishammudin weaved the kris as part of UMNO's protocol, and everyone affected should numb their sensitivity. Maybe, in the spirit of muhhibah, it is not insensitive for me to insist a muslim friend asking for my help who vists my house to pay respect to my ancestor as part of my protocol (since my house is my palace). May be it will become common one day for christians, buddhists and hindus to wear songkok to their respective place of worship and for muslim to wear cheong sum to mosque. May be it is alright for people to dring beer in the road side wearing a songkok as it is not a religious symbol. May be one day all sensitivities will disappear once we tagged any activity as part of protocol.

If you can understand why all these impositions are sensitive to you, you can understand why what you imposed on others can be sensitive to them. Yes, I agree DAP should accomodate, but don't get angry with them for feeling the sensitivity just be cause you cannot feel or understand.
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written by damarwulan, March 17, 2008 10:43:01
Knowing that funding will not come from the Federal, is there any articles in the states legislature that allows the citizens and companies in that state to pay taxes or tithe to the states and deduct the same from the federal income or profit taxes? There are some qualified lawyers and 'peguam' in PAS and accountants that have knowledge on these that can advise the CM/MB of the Alternative Goverment.Please assist.
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 11:53:06
Dear Damarwulan

You reckon the federal gomen will further incur the wrath of the rakyat by withholding funds?
you reckon they will AGAIN choose to ignore the needs of the rakyat?
you reckon that by now, they are still lost as to how to win back the trust and support of the rakyat?
if so, say bye-bye to a comeback kid then!
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written by bananachinese, March 17, 2008 12:12:52
Which pill would you take, Teng Chang Khim?
Blue or Red pill?

http://mylivingwall.com/v2/blog/?p=66
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written by teo siew chin, March 17, 2008 12:27:00
when we have such storms abrewing, i kinda miss Otak Udang's 'philosophy' smilies/cry.gif
too bad OU's abandoned us!
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 12:43:26
Sagaladoola, I just can't resist responding.

1. You spin better than NST. I was talking about perception and you are talking about reality. I am talking about some people are sensitive, you are talking as if I said all people are sensitive to the songkok.

2. The picture you show is leaders wearing the attire that have no bearing on their belief system, that is why they wear it. Simple: If I tell you to wear a headgear with a cross, as a muslim, will you wear it (even when muslim also believe in Jesus)?

My friend, shouting, name calling and being rude will never make your arguement sound or sensible. The readers feedback through the voting system here is the real reflection on whose's views make sense. It is THE MIRROR!

Don't be like another Hishamuddin who argues the Kris is ONLY A UMNO PROTOCOL!
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written by cruzeiro, March 17, 2008 12:48:46
I meant BTW Saga, ...
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written by renoir, March 17, 2008 13:00:44
Milo wrote:
"Songkok is a famous traditional hat for MUSLIM MEN in the region of South East Asia. It normally in black, comes in different sizes, and sometimes accompanied with a beautiful embroidery batik design (with the gold thread) that one can either put it on or off." ]]http://www.malaysiangifts.citymax.com/songkok.html]]

The quote is a good reminder that not all cultural practices necessarily remain or are percieved as such for all time. Not too long ago, Christians found it offensive to be told not to utter the word "Jesus" during Christmas by an UMNO minister. It could be said that the UMNO minister did no wrong, as the origin of Christmas was after all pagan. But as time passes it became associated with Christianity, and therefore is considered a sacred occasion by at least some Christians. Same thing with arguments some months ago by some readers that most Muslim practices were actually cultural in origin, some Arabic and some even Hindu. The epithet "stone-worshippers" is offensive to many Muslims, even though some people have argued for the non-Koranic source of the Kaabah, or the stone's cultural origins.

Like race and ethnicity, the definition of what's cultural and what's religious are often fluid and subject to different interpretations. This is especially so with the passage of time. That some old Chinese might hold on to the songkok-religion nexus, and even more so to the songkok-oppression metonymy, is not surprising.

LChuah
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written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 13:12:01
Im confused. On one had, Malaysia claims to be a multiracial country and on the other hand the culture and traditions of other races are not officially accepted. Leaders whether the ruling party, opposition and even the royalty should accept and appreciate our diverse culture and racial make out. There should be no ruling that only malay traditional costume can be worn for official functions. This is showing blatant disregard for the other races. I think it should be up to individual whether they want to use a traditional comstume of any race or a suit. Previously the police already started this nonsense whereby non malays were forced to use tudung for marches. Not palaces are enforcing use of songkok. From reliable souces I have also been told that certain goverment bodies force the non malays to us only Baju Kebaya or Baju Kurung for official functions and other traditional costumes such as saree, salwaar kameez and cheongsam are not allowed. For heavens sake, if the government wants to promote racial intergration, they should not enforce one race culture and traditions on another. Instead we should accept and respect the culture and traditions of each other.

I hope all goverment bodies including the palaces will stop this racialistic way of doing things. Its an individuals right what he or she wants to wear as long as he/she is dressed decently and appropriately.
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written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 13:27:13
To some people this may be a small matter. But to some, its a matter of principal. Being a multi racial country unlike most other countries, we should respect the attire of all races and they all should be officially accepted. The malay baju and songkok is a malay traditional costume, not the national costume of Malaysia. Just as when I go out, if a child or beggar ask me for money saying he wants to eat food, as a matter of principal although I could just give him RM1 ringgit and send him off, I would ask him to eat whatever he wants from the restaurant and pay for it which of course would cost me more, but like I said its a matter of principal. If I give the child the money, an adult would probably take it from him and if I were to give the adult beggar money, he would probably buy a bottle of cheap whisky. So we all have different perceptions and principals.And its our right to decide to stand by our principals.

Being a multi racial country, its not easy nor fair to enforce one races culture and traditions on another although we respect each other culture and traditions and that should be the way. Any Malaysians having a party where friends of all races are invited would always ensure that the food is halal and no pork served. The same cannot be said for the Malays who when they have a party would still serve beef despite knowing that hindus and buddist do not eat beef. In fact when the company I work for used to have office parties, if its organised by Malays, very often most of the dishes ordered would have beef, but of organised by a non malay, the food would always be halal and no pork. And mind you, every staff pays the same amount of money for the party, but then the indians and chinese many not be able to eat the food, and may have to be content with the soft drinks and maybe some kuey. Is this what we want in Malaysia. Im sure all of us want a country where we all learn to intergrate and respect each others culture and traditions. But enforcing such rules that only Malay baju and songkok must be worn and for ladies only baju kurung and kebaya can be worn, it contradicts our whole concept of being a multi racial country.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 13:27:36
written by Sagaladoola: It seems you reflect more like him. I said songkok is for all to wear (no monopoly) while you perceive "Songkok is a Muslim protocol" ?
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Songkok may be for all to wear, but why force on those who don't want to for their reasons? By the way, the churches and temples are also for all to pray, why not you pray there too? You are really funny smilies/smiley.gif
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written by RasuahMinister, March 17, 2008 14:02:13
Hiyah you peoples, now we should concentrate not on racial/religious matters, what we should do right now is all races hand in hand, choose a nice Sunday, carrying big sledge hammers, drills and stuffs, and then all of us tear down unneccesary PLAZA TOLLS in Selangor area and other states.
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written by RasuahMinister, March 17, 2008 14:03:52
I believe there will be millions of Malaysians willing to do this job
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written by RasuahMinister, March 17, 2008 14:06:08
The fiest PLAZA TOLL I want to tear down is the Phileo Damansara one.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 14:32:34
written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 | 13:29:10

Hi LChuah,
Not being offensive....
Just a question, if the perception on reality is wrong, do you think we need to amend our ways to the correct interpretation?
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You cannot correct without understanding the other party point of views and why they hold on to this perception. You also cannot demand that others' are wrong just because you say so. Sometimes, if you hold that your thinking is so right, it can turn out so wrong. UMNO falls is precisely because of this arrogance.

Let me repeat: No one is against wearing the Songkok. It is just that it is an unwise approach to compel those who harbours sensitivity towards the hat to wear it. You cannot make a flawed protocol right just because of the power to impliment it, you can only right it by changing it in tune with principles like fairness, sensibleness and respect for others' beliefs and values.
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written by hellosunshine, March 17, 2008 14:58:42
I can't get Selangor's palace protocol but I did manage to get to the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong's site where the dress code is specified. See link - http://www.malaysianmonarchy.o...BI=Dresses for Ceremonies and Functions

It is stated and I quote
•Western Dress

Dark Lounge Suit

(i) Dark Lounge Suit;
(ii) White collared shirt;
(iii) Dark tie;
(iv) Black socks;
(v) Black leather shoes;
(vi) With Songkok for Muslims.


All said, if the palace protocol dictates that one MUST wear a songkok during official ceremonies, then one must abide by the protocol. If not, it is up to the individual's discretion.

Anyway, I think this is really a small issue and we should move on and see the bigger picture instead of harping and wasting everybody's precious time and energy on this small issue.

I wonder what's the real purpose for bringing up this issue again and again in MT. We all know majority of us are racists in one way or another, no thanks to the 50 years of BN rule and brainwashing.

Can we really be able to make a conscious effort to change our mindset and attitude?
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written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 15:05:17
Although I do not agree with Milo's analogy of eating pork and wearing the songkok, I do agree with him that it should be voluntary and not forced. Yes there is nothing wrong in wearing the songkok, but in the same token, there is nothing wrong in wearing any traditional costume as long as its decent. Yes as RPK said every function do have a dress code, even clubs have dress code but dress code can be stated as traditional or suit etc, intead of must wear songkok. They can enforce certain rules to the dress code, such as no sleeveless for the ladies, not revealing and nothing below the knee, no slippers and sandals etc, but after reading all the comments I still do not agree to enforcing the songkok or any traditional costume as I said previously, songkok is a part of a malay costume and not a malaysian constume. What if the US were to state that all people invited for official functions at the white house have to use skirt and blouse for ladies and suit for men. What happens to the muslim women who cover themselves, or the Arab men who are invited, what would they do. US is a predominantly white country yet they do not enforce such rules as its only right to respect the culture and traditions of all races. We should never enforce such things but there can be a proper dress code but it should not be that only a certain type of dress can be worn.

I remember many years ago, when my mum and dad was awarded titles from the Sultan of Johor, my dad wore a suit and my mum a saree, there was no issue then as all traditional costumes were allowed. Since when has the ruling changed that must wear songkok and must wear baju melayu for the ladies. If this ruling has been changed, then it seems our country is going backwards instead of forward and our leaders need to go through these rulings again to ensure it reflects our multi racial society. Many years ago, we were all open to our friends culture and tradition, we accepted it with open arms and respected it, now why the enforcements even on traditional costumes.

Maybe some of the bloggers who said they should wear songkok can enlighten me on the following :-

1. What if a sikh man who wears a turban is conferred a Datukship and is required to go to the palace for the ceremony of awards, would he have to replace his turban with a songkok? Wouldn't that be disrespectful towards his religion and going against his religion?

Its clear that although all malaysians of various races wear each others traditional costume especially the ladies, it is on voluntary basis, and not forced. We do it because we respect each others culture and traditions. I have malay friends who wear saree and salwaar kameez and I have chinese friends who wear baju kurung and kebaya, saree and salwaar kameez and I also have indian friends who wear baju kurung, kebaya and cheongsam.

Lets not try to disrespect other cultures and traditions by saying theirs are not accepted officially, as by not allowing every race to wear their respective traditional costumes for official functions, that is exactly what we are telling them, again going back to racial divide which Im sure none of us want.

We are all adults and should be allowed to make such decisions and stand by our principles if we feel strongly about something.

Yes this may be a small issue compared to all the other more important issues, but seeing from the number of responses, it does touch the hearts of the people as it directly affects the acceptance of their race, culture, traditions and religion in a multi racial country such as ours.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 15:09:46
hellosunshine, the last one very clearly states songkok for muslims, which means non muslims do not need to wear songkok. So why all the fuss. I think that is fair enough, they are not enforcing it on non muslims or non malays.
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written by Rhan, March 17, 2008 15:17:09
Not being offensive....
Just a question, if the perception on reality is wrong, do you think we need to amend our ways to the correct latest interpretation?

Yes or No ?

Of course YES but have you people did that? and how? Therefore we should start to educate the people and maybe here is a good start by telling the people including Teng wearing a songkok have nothing to do with religion. But, i am curious to know, are you very sure that all the Malay and Muslim agree with your perception? Have you check with them?
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 15:22:12
written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 | 15:09:46
hellosunshine, the last one very clearly states songkok for muslims, which means non muslims do not need to wear songkok. So why all the fuss. I think that is fair enough, they are not enforcing it on non muslims or non malays.
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I thought so as I read the line. Can perhaps Sagodala please explain?
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 15:31:19
written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 | 15:23:51
fairnessforall, sometimes palace may alter their rules and regulation according to state. I think if the alteration is not bound to religion, I think we should not do so much of "opposition" on them.
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So you see! Protocol can be changed! In this case, it has just changed from a non-sensitive one to a sensitive one. The question is why take this retrogressive step?
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 16:10:31
written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 | 15:55:14
Ohh Milo, that means you agree with DAP leaders boycotting the event so that the Sultan, which is the ruler and monarch of this land to change it instead of wearing a cultural headgear in respect of him?
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You are really a spin doctor. I said none of those. And all the threats given and pitting malays against non-malays is typical of a blue-blood UMNO cyper trooper. For you respect is based on rules, power and demand, not principles of fairness and respect for others. It won't work saga, people today are too smart as UMNO has found out. Your kind will found out too - one day!
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written by Rhan, March 17, 2008 16:11:15
But Sagaladoola, when i raise the same question, most of the reply is they are not very sure, how? We been criticize the running dog for umpteen year and now suddenly just by winning some seat, we all become bangsa Malaysia? All this while MCA did look at the big picture and why we give up on them? Can the Royalty help to look at the big picture also since they love their people so much?

I don’t think our Royalty has such narrow mind. Or Maybe I am wrong?
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written by hellosunshine, March 17, 2008 17:02:36
I always make it a point to check and hear both sides to an argument or allegation.
I checked Teng's site - http://www.tengchangkhim.********.com/ - and he made some clarifications on the allegations RPK made in MT.
I take it that he's telling the gospel truth in his clarifications and I suggest we all move on and not get all worked up over nothing.
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written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 17:18:58
written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 | 15:23:51
fairnessforall, sometimes palace may alter their rules and regulation according to state. I think if the alteration is not bound to religion, I think we should not do so much of "opposition" on them.
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So you see! Protocol can be changed! In this case, it has just changed from a non-sensitive one to a sensitive one. The question is why take this retrogressive step?

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Sagadoola, the issue is not why take this retrogressive step, although I feel for now, maybe he should just do it and get on with it and later address the issue by virtue of us being a multi racial country. But the matter is still something to look into. Fistly, there seem to be confusion as to what the songkok represents. While some feel it represents being a muslim, some feels it represents being a malay. The fact that the agung's palace dress code states "songkok for muslims" gives the impression that it is a muslim thing, they did not state "songkok for malays" but "songkok for muslims". Thus there seem to be alot of confusion here and each one of us would come to our own conclusion based on how we understand the statement.

Our constitution guarantees that all races will be allowed to practice their own religion, customs and traditions freely, so by enforcing the songkok on non malays/non muslims, this goes against their culture and traditions. And Im sure our royalty will not want to be seen as depriving non malays/ non muslim of practicing their rights and religion of which their traditional costume is part of. Im fact our lawmakers should uphold our constitution and the fact the Malaysia is a multi racial country and they should also be seen to be fair to all Malaysians. All malaysians give full respect to the royalty and of course we want our Agung and Sultans to be fair to all subjects and take into considerations the other races. I know its not the Agung or Sultans that come out with these rules and regulations but probably his secretary or whoever is in charge of palace protocol, thus these people should be careful when coming with such rules and should take into consideration that Malaysia is a multi racial country.

No one has answered my question about what if a sikh guy wearing a turban has to attend a ceremony. Would an exception be made in his case? Seems no one has an answer.
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written by fairnessforall, March 17, 2008 18:20:17
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written by Sagaladoola, March 17, 2008 | 17:48:03

fairnessforall : Our constitution guarantees that all races will be allowed to practice their own religion, customs and traditions freely, so by enforcing the songkok on non malays, this goes against their culture and traditions


Wearing t-shirt is a Western culture and tradition. It seems it is acceptable by people like you. Wearing songkok for official function is a Malay culture and tradition, it is not acceptable and considered enforced? Is that discrimination? I am not going to spin. You answer to yourself.

Songkok is cultural and not bound by religion.

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Sagadoola, I think u need to brush up your english language. Who is talking about acceptable or not acceptable. I said it should not be enforced and should be up to individuals decision as it still goes back to culture and tradition. And for your information, did the west enforce the t-shirt on asians, ur remark on this does not make any sense. What has using a t-shirt by own choice have to do with being forced to do something. Suggest you read and understand peoples comments, as Milo said, you are just spinning and beating around the bush and getting emotional. You are just arguing for the sake or arguing and without any substance.

Again, let me make it clear, we are not talking about acceptable or not acceptable, we are talking about what is right and fair to all malaysians by virtue of being a multi racial country where wearing or following culture, traditions and believes of another race or religion should be by choice and voluntarily done and not forced. If I choose to wear a Baju kebaya, its my wish, but no one has the right to force me to wear it. Forcing ones culture on another is just not acceptable, whether its connected to religion or not, does not make any difference. As a multi racial country, we all have our own culture, traditions and believes. I believe that I have given enough examples to proof my point, but you are just arguing for the sake of arguing without giving any concrete examples and without substance. I dont know whether you are purposely misunderstanding peoples comments or you really do not understand what they are saying.

Anyway, its a waste of my time arguing with someone who thinks he only is right and only he has the right to have opinions. To each his own. So your have your right to ur opinion and I have my right to my opinion. The sky is no purple just because you said it is.

Even if you say songkok is cultural and not bound to religion, so what you are saying is that its ok to enforce ones culture on another? Suggest you think what you are saying before you pass such ridiculous comments. We are a democratic country not under communist or military rule.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 19:38:20
Sagaladoola, ok we are on the same side..so let's discuss issue civilly...no names calling. I shouldn't too.

One the songkok issue, you should stop writing as though "I don't get it!" about the protocol which is compulsory. I have said more than one time I would have wore it and get on with the job. Clear?

The thrust of my arguement is, just because it is official protocol issued from the palace does not mean it is a wise thing. The palace have the power to exercise its rights, no doubt, but if it touches on people's sensitivity, our ruler know. A wise ruler would wants to know that anyway, and he is suppose to exercise his discretion wisely. As his 'subjects' in a modern world, we do not want to behave like the UMNO stooges who are only there to please the PM and make him feel he can do no wrong. If the Palace do not wish to change despite knowing, then it is up to them. But anywhere in the world, you can never expect respect if you do not respect other's sensitivity, that you are the ruler notwithstanding.

The saying "if you do not stand for something, you will fall for anything." applies. You can even see people defying the power (BN in our case) to stand against evil doings to the extent of willing to go under ISA. (Now please do not write I equate the Ruler's protocol to evil deed, I did not, and the action does not amount to that.)

The wisest thing to do is not critisize and threaten those who held such sensitivity, but to influence them by understanding them and through proper education.

If it is clear, let's move on.
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written by Milo, March 17, 2008 22:50:34
Yes, you are right cruzeiro, it will come true one day unless we get rid of people like those in Umno and like You. Everytime someone disagree with a percieved unfair imposition and unnecessarily intererance of their right, they (and people like yiou) will say it is "confrontational". In your opinion, we better don't question anything and act like stooges. Fortunately, these types of dinosaur thinking is on the way out.
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written by sonofman0, March 17, 2008 23:55:57
No wonder ALIENS from OUTER SPACE prefer not to reveal themselves to earthlings!

Let's put ourselves in their shoes. All this fuss over something we put on our brain box!

Now we know for sure why the United Nations is so often in a shambles!
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written by Mimi, March 18, 2008 00:10:06
Wow...i had no idea what a powerful tool a songkok is!!!! I ve read nearly all the comments posted here and I can see that despite the replies, retorts and slip slap...the issue somehow is not resolved. AND its all started with a SONGKOK. Damn, I ve been taking that piece of songkok in the cupboard for granted. Didnt know what it actually reflect.

Now..how in the WORLD are we gonna be united to rule and conquer if we cannot resolve this SONGKOK issue...hmmm..for all we know while we are busy arguing here about this little black/darkblue velvet thing u put on the head, BN and their kuncus wearing their SONGKOK are planning a coup de tat BEHIND OUR VERY BACK!!!!

FOR GODS SAKE GIVE THE SONGKOK A REST WILL YA!!!
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written by renoir, March 18, 2008 00:38:11
>The wisest thing to do is not critisize and threaten those who held such sensitivity, but to influence them by understanding them and through proper education.]]

Well said, Milo. Right from the beginning, I'd said, like you, that I'd no difficulty wearing a songkok. And in my postings on this matter, I'd proposed that those who'd felt the brunt of racial discrimination should nevertheless be magnanimous and "reach out to one another, and a simple first step could be obeying protocol set by the sultan."

The only difference between us and those who want the same thing is a call to understand why certain older-generation Chinese reacted to the songkok the way they did. As you said, "the wisest thing to do is not critisize and threaten those who held such sensitivity, but to influence them by understanding them and through proper education."

This group of older generation Chinese reacted to what they perceived as racial discrimination by rejecting customs and mores - religious or racial - from the dominant race. That's not something we condone, though in a sense such reaction is much, much, milder than Hindraf telling the whole world that our government is pactising "ethnic cleansing." There were even allegations that Hindraf had connections with the Tamil Tiger terrorists, though I haven't seen any proof of that. Despite such rumors - mostly baseless, I think - I'd supported the demonstrations because that's about the only way the marginalization of Indians could be brought out into the open. Whatever the case, here are two different reactions to racial discrimination: one by rejecting the norms and culture of the dominant group, and the other by organizing and encouraging demonstrations all over the world against that group, to the extent that charges of ethnic cleansing and religious extremism were thrown against the said group. Both the Chinese and Indians should understand that perhaps, just perhaps, they can get what they want not merely through passive rejection (in the case of the Chinese) or through active demonstrations (in the case of the Indians), but also through reaching out, showing goodwill, to the other side. For the older generation Chinese, this would include acceptance of certain Malay cultural elements as national culture. For Indians, it would involve self-restraint in throwing mud against the Malay authorities with accusations of ethnic cleansing and religious extremism.

LChuah
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written by Milo, March 18, 2008 11:14:49
written by Sagaladoola: Yes, there are sensitivities but shouldn't a leader do a research before coming to a conclusion for a false sense of sensitivity?
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My friend, research will give you the facts, but the result of your evaluation of the facts will depends on the types of lens you have. Even as you browse through these comments I am quite sure you would have noticed almost all the writers (including you, me and RPK) have sensitivities to a certain degree, and our sensitivity might have been considered frivolous by others. If not why are we making a fuss over a songkok?

True understanding starts with embracing this principle, and understanding that this is the source of bias we all have.

By claiming others have a "false sense of sensitivity" itself is merely a view of the world seen through your lens, and that judgement could be considered by some to be your very own false sense of sensitive reaction to another's sensitivity.

When we judge someone (like Teng), we are only basing it on what we heard from the medias. These info are seldom complete and often spinned. Shouldn't that make us more careful when commending (if we wish to be fair)?

Malaysians have this kiasu attitude. Now it is no longer limited to Singaporeans.
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True, it is a common traits for many people, especially here. Otherwise, we would not have spent so much time responding to each other's disagreement to our views.


However, I do believe I will only forgive anyone that is worthy.
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Sir, forgiving others should be unconditional, otherwise it is insincere. And worthiness is in the eyes of the beholder.

Anyway, I sincerely think LChuah's writing is quite fair for all. We need more of such Malaysian.
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I am glad you realise. He is one of the best here. His thoughts and reasoning are expressed clearly, precisely,fairly and non-offensively. I enjoyed his writing much.

Regards
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written by Rhan, March 18, 2008 11:18:11
Malaysia is situated in the Malay Achipelago Region.


Sagaladoola,
Read some of the comment like i quoted above, if this fren of yours says as Malaysia is situated in Asia and all Asian should learn to embrace each other culture, i believe most Chinese would be more willing to accommodate to some deemed sensitive issue. If people like you and cruz keep on criticize us without any convincing fact by saying this is Malaysia and therefore you must this and that, how could you expect any positive result?

Leader is also human, i don't see they are differnce from me and you. You may criticize Teng but To me, he is doing the right thing.
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written by cheekhiaw, March 18, 2008 13:04:36
Much ado about what covers the head when what is needed for the country is what enlightens that which is within it.

Throughout history, all cultures (political and religious) in power deemed themselves honoured when their subjects are made to wear their costumes.

What got to be on the head was apparently especially important to those 'powerful' people of the dark ages whether they were from Europe, Middle East or Asia.

As an example, to the arrogant Manchu rulers of China a century or so ago, wearing their hairstyle was the epitome of overlordship (they had their own NEP system too) and was to be compromised only at the price of the head.

The Qing, of course, gained more lasting infamy than respect from that antic of theirs.

History seems to show that it is the arrogant vile that feel most honoured if others ape after them, and most exalted by their one-size fits all version of 'only my way or nothing'.

The US of George Bush Jr. is just the latest ‘global’ version of such arrogance.

Today we see first hand how our own version of such a 'My Way' attitude by an M character had on the Malaysian Dilemma he created.

Forcing others to wear his stupid notions in their head is far worse than that of forcing outfits on others, but they all have small beginnings.

It may start with a book, a hat, or a megalomaniac's dream.

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written by JackWang, March 18, 2008 14:27:37
On the songkok, I am not quite sure if it is part of Malay culture or an islamic symbol. Some clarification would be good. If it is part of the Malay culture, why should there even be a debate on wearing it? If it is a religious symbol, then good neighbourliness would suggest that one does not insist on another who is of a different religion to dorn one's religious symbol.
DAP would be wrong to reject all things Malays. After all, some of the non-malay students do wear baju kurung uniform to school. And I remember that prior to the 1969 election, Tan Sri Khir Johari was photographed wearing a chinese costume and he reportedly got whacked at the ballot box. We need to get away from such narrow thinking views.

Cheers.
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written by Rhan, March 18, 2008 14:30:26
aiya, mimag2005, that should be my question to you mah, why stop at Malay Achipelago Region? The origin of the three major race in Malaysia is from Asia right? Talk ET pula.

Sagaladoola, your pass comment is very rational, i can't believe the songkok issue could turn you into a dualist.
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written by bumi non malay, March 18, 2008 17:52:47
milo - thumbs up

sagaladoola, mimag2005,- last finger thumbs down


Volutary = Freedom. If you subscribe to Freedom of Religion, Freedom from Racism and Freedom of Press and the People's Declaration then the songkok is an Option. That means Sultan and those Ka Poh Chee Keepers of Protocol should Chill Out and respect Human Freedom of choice!!

Protocol can be broken or changed.....there is no principle in protocol. I for one thinks the Sultan is Proud if he insist on songkok. Does he sees non-malays wearing songkok everyday?? Is it a daily attire of non-malays?? Is the Sultan not aware of the diversity now. We are not 1800's where population is almost 95% malays and songkok is part of the attire. I for one thinks its looks silly, does not provide any protection or cover. Songkok serve little purpose to the overall appearance except for a properly attired malay with sarung, keris etc....for weeding. Apart from that it does look silly on Richard Branson who will do almost anything for Publicity.

Time to Petition the Sultan and Agong to make wearing Songkok and Malay attire for receiving title, ceremony.....OPTIONAL!!....the People have spoken.

Optional = Voluntary = Freedom of Choice!! ...Give me Freedom over Protocol ANYTIME....and if that means foregoing a Tan Sri, Datuk, MB, Prime Minister.....so be it. There is Dignity in Life Too!!

Why is it its always the people who are Proud if they don't wear something for a ceremony?? A Sultan/Agong too can be proud with their new found power given by the people. Abuse it and Sultan/Agong too can lose thier stately role!! From this songkok case we will KNOW whether the Sultan is inclusive or exclusive of the People Choice...!!!

...Magna Carta!!! smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Milo, March 19, 2008 01:21:48
Sagaladoola, what you need is not a debate, but a mirror.
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written by bumi non malay, March 19, 2008 07:59:38
Milo – ha ha ha ha ha…..I think he is running out of mirrors.smilies/grin.gif

Sagalagola = the defender of Malay songkok.

You and your ILKS seems to have a problem comprehending Voluntary, Optional, Freedoom!! Out of your wisdom, because we disagree with this protocol, we who choose not to wear it are labeled traitor, small minds, insult to malay custom, and thus Sultan. The Sultan and his ILKS feels SMUG that he can removed the Deputy MB post due to his small mind songkok protocol.

Well that is certainly not the attitude to create a better Malaysia.

Besides I have seen Foreign Dignitaries receiving award from Sultan and Agong without wearing songkok. Millions have been to the Agong swearing in without wearing songkok. How is it that its applicable to some and not to others.??

Oh I see we are non-malay Malaysia and we have to “kow tow” to this NON Principle Sultan/Agong Protocol!!Prejudice Protocol if you ask me!!…I rest my case!!

We will choose NOT to wear songkok ...Thank You!!…and you can keep your title, deputy MB, ceremonial swearing duties!!…We choose Freedom & self impose exile from songkok and thus potential Tan Sri, Tun, Datuk, PM, MB…etc! A big sacrifice for maintaining Dignity in Freedom! Better to die with dignity than none!!smilies/grin.gif

Here we go, bring out your supreme stats. Yes we know malay = 60%…..but less than 50% when minus orang asli, sabahans & sarawakians. Yes Majority malays have the army, guns, rockets…..so we the minority race will just sit and be obliterated ala genocide over songkok. OK you win !! Hope you are wiser now!!

DON’T USE PROTOCOL TO DISPLAY YOUR PREJUDICE!!

.....that goes to Raja Petrta and all his Royalty-Sultan buddies!!

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written by fairnessforall, March 19, 2008 16:35:17
Sagaladoola, I do not wish to waste time arguing with you as you do not seem to understand what democracy in a multiracial country means. I have no problem with the songkok but at the same time, just as the songkok, all other traditional constumes should be acceptable for official functions. Its not the Sultan himself who comes up with these protocol. Obviously the person in charge did not bother to take into consideration of us being a multi racial country thus he was only concerned about the malays, without giving a care to respect the customs and traditions which include costumes of the non malays. Clearly these protocol rules indirectly state that the traditional costumes of chinese and indians or any other race is not acceptable for official functions, and thats the point Im trying to make. Not only palace protocol, there are also many government departments that come up with rules that ladies can only wear baju kurung and kebaya, and saree, cheongsam, salwaar kameez is not allowed. Some of my indian friends have been directly told that they have to wear baju kurung or kebaya and they cant wear their own traditional costume. This is very blatant practice of racism.

In any case, I will let the votes speak for itself as to what most malaysians feel.
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written by Rhan, March 19, 2008 18:19:59
I know there is one Cultural REVOLUTION during Mao Tze Ting era, but not easily elaborate to one shallow mind.
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written by fairnessforall, March 19, 2008 18:49:30
Sagaladoola, yes one vote per person, bt most of your comments received zero votes, so it speaks alot. I wont waste time with your other comments.

Oh yes, I have seen people wearing modern sarees and modern cheongsam in western wedding ball functions and no where it says only western evening gown is allowed, as long as its an evening gown even if its indian or chinese evening gown is allowed. Maybe you should watch more fashion and celebrity function shows including Ball functions.
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written by Rhan, March 19, 2008 21:03:23
It has been quite a number of years I don’t take teh tarik at mamak store. No matter how many times I told the mamak kurang manis or kurang kurang manis, my request fall on deaf ear and what I get is a glass of air gula. It seem this Mamak don’t care what I want. He cares only himself.

I now prefer to take tea at kopitiam with a plate of nasi lemak, I appreciate the taste of nasi lemak more than yong tau fu even I know it is not that healthy. But I am now being told that I must have that air gula otherwise I am not a good Malaysian.

How come mamak don’t sell yong tau fu huh? Memang aneh!
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written by fairnessforall, March 20, 2008 12:28:54
Sagaladoola said:
Yes, that is if the owner allows. I did not say I disagree that other traditional costumes should not be suggested to the palace. Currently, the practice is songkok must be worn to certain functions. Not wearing it because it is Malay symbolises racism.
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Yes and having rules that states any other traditional costumes beside the malay traditional costume is not allowed for official functions also symbolises racism. And this ruling has been set by many goverment functions and if its correct from what everyone is saying also palace protocol. If the government want the people not to practice racism, they should start the ball rolling and set a good example by accepting all traditional costumes for official functions.

I rest my case.
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written by donplay, March 21, 2008 01:46:22
Dear RPK

SONGKOK – I TOO OBJECT!

I, a M'sian Indian/Hindu, is like you, married to a M'sian Chinese Buddhist lady (17 years). Note that I identify myself as M'sian first, then ancestry and lastly, religion which has nothing to do with our birth. I refuse to use ‘Race’ when we really mean ‘People.’ No child is born circumcised or wearing a cross, a yellow Buddhist sacred thread on its wrist, a lingam pendant round its neck or yarmulk or songkok, on its head!

Therefore, due to my mixed-marriage, I am always conscious of the 'cultural and religious divide' and transgressing it consciously.

I hate wearing the western suite, especially the tie, given that in our tropical climate, it absolutely makes no sense whatsoever to put on a garb that has you breaking out in perspiration the moment you don it! I only do so where the dress code requires it, and then too, when I choose to attend the corresponding function.

So, we have a choice, either comply or use your right of dissent and abstain from attending.

But in M'sia, nothing is that simple. Like the Chinaman you condemn with such utter contempt, I too object to the mandatory requirement to wear the Songkok at Honours Investiture Ceremonies or for march-past at various Games avenues etc.

The problem is that in M'sia, Malay, by constitution means Muslim/Islam, and the Songkok has overt religious connotations. At least, that's the way I (and most non-Malays, I would guess)see it. So, I cannot agree with the requirement for its mandatory wearing at non-religious functions and events. The western suit, by comparison, is not a Christian symbol. With dress codes at 'The Dog', Lake Club and leading 5-Star Hotels, we have a choice - comply or take our business elsewhere where they are not so pompous.

To resolve this M'sian issue, I suggest that we have a National Referendum (including on other issues such as abolishing the ISA, Printing & Presses Act, the arbitary Rural Banishment order and unlimited police remand detention et al with voting on individual resolutions and not an omnibus resolution) and agree on a M'sian National Dress Code for such events as the award of Datoships at Royal Courts.

My vote will be for the Batik jacket and smart official wear (dark long pants, socks and dark leather shoes). The Batik jacket is uniquely M'sian, truly Asian, and smart-casual or smart-official, as you like it. No crash helmets! Much more manlier than the effiminate Phillippine see-through Barong Tagalog. For ladies, the Baju Kurung/Sarong Kebaya would be good.

Let's once and for all consign to the dust-bin the western suit and tie.

donplaypuks
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written by cheekhiaw, March 21, 2008 15:52:23
One can put whatever one likes on one's own head based on whatever reasons one can find or dredge up.

One should however not think that one had it all sorted out and thereforth to insist that all others should ape after him.

It is perhaps better that one knows where to cap it all off.


And do you think that unto such as you;
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew:
God gave the secret—and denied it me?
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that, too.
- Rubaiyat, Omar Khayyam

xxx
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written by gorshan, March 25, 2008 16:06:30
dear donplay,i agree with you for a referendum on this songkok issue.
ok, so,say they make it official garb after referendum.

so whats a sikh man supposed to do then?
wear the songkok over the turban or wear the turban over the songkok? smilies/grin.gif
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written by donplay, March 28, 2008 08:42:12
dear gorshan

there is no law that requires the wearing of songkok for ceremonial purposes, it is only a protocol being enforced by the HRHs and dictators in or those overseeing govt/semi-govt and sporting bodies.

so, anticipatig the problems we might face even with a referundum, i have suggested above that we make the batik jacket/sarong kebaya our national dress code. then the problem of songkok, turban etc will not arise. each wears whatever headgear they choose to or no at all.

donplaypuks

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