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I am sure many non-Muslims are puzzled by the action of some people who participated in the ‘cow head’ demonstration on Friday. To understand what ‘true’ Islam is, maybe you can read the two pieces below by Karen Armstrong and Prof. Fazl Ahmad. This will give you an insight into what is supposed to be compared to what happened on Friday.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

Jerusalem was central to the spiritual identity of Muslims from the very beginning of their faith. When the Prophet Muhammad first began to preach in Mecca in about 612, according to the earliest biographies, which are our primary source of information about him, he had his converts prostrate themselves in prayer in the direction of Jerusalem. They were symbolically reaching out toward the Jewish and Christian God, whom they were committed to worshipping, and turning their back on the paganism of Arabia. Muhammad never believed that he was founding a new religion that cancelled out the previous faiths. He was convinced that he was simply bringing the old religion of the One God to the Arabs, who had never been sent a prophet before.

Consequently, the Koran, the inspired scripture that Muhammad brought to the Arabs, venerates the great prophets of the Judeo-Christian tradition. It speaks of Solomon's "great place of prayer" in Jerusalem, which the first Muslims called City of the Temple. Only after the Jews of Medina rejected Muhammad did he switch orientation and instruct his adherents to pray facing Mecca, whose ancient shrine, the Kabah, was thought by locals to have been built by Abraham and his son Ishmael, the father of the Arabs.

The centrality of Jerusalem in Muslim spirituality is apparent in the story of Muhammad's mystical Night Journey to Jerusalem. Muslim texts make it clear that this was not a physical experience but a visionary one (not dissimilar to the heavenly visions of the Jewish Throne Mystics at this time). One night Muhammad was conveyed miraculously from the Kabah to Jerusalem's Temple Mount. There he was welcomed by all the great prophets of the past before ascending through the seven heavens. On his way up he sought the advice of Moses, Aaron, Enoch, Jesus, John the Baptist and Abraham before entering the presence of God. The story shows the yearning of the Muslims to come from far-off Arabia right into the heart of the monotheistic family, symbolized by Jerusalem.

Respect for other faiths was manifest in Islamic Jerusalem. When Caliph Umar, one of Muhammad's successors, conquered the Jerusalem of the Christian Byzantines in 638, he insisted that the three faiths of Abraham coexist. He refused to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher when he was escorted around the city by the Greek Orthodox Patriarch. Had he done so, he explained, the Muslims would have wanted to build a mosque there to commemorate the first Islamic prayer in Jerusalem.

The Jews found their new Muslim rulers far more congenial than the Byzantines. The Christians had never allowed the Jews to reside permanently in the city, whereas Umar invited 70 Jewish families back. The Byzantines had left the Jewish Temple in ruins and had even begun to use the Temple Mount as a garbage dump.

Umar, according to a variety of accounts, was horrified to see this desecration. He helped clear it with his own hands, reconsecrated the platform and built a simple wooden mosque on the southern end, site of al-Aqsa Mosque today.

Jerusalem's Dome of the Rock, built by Caliph Abd al-Malik in 691, was the first great building to be constructed in the Islamic world. It symbolizes the ascent that all Muslims must make to God, whose perfection and eternity are represented by the circle of the great golden dome. Other Islamic shrines on the Temple Mount, which Muslims call al-Haram al-Sharif, the Most Noble Sanctuary, were devoted to David, Solomon and Jesus.

After the bloodbath of the Crusades, when Saladin re-conquered Jerusalem for Islam in 1187, the Jews (barred from the city by the Crusaders) were invited to return, and even the Western Christians, who had supported the crusading atrocities, were allowed back. In the 16th century, Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent permitted the Jews to make the Western Wall their official holy place and had his court architect Sinan build an oratory for them there.

So why the rejectionism that some Muslims in Jerusalem display today? In history, a holy city has always become more precious to a people after they have lost it. In the struggle for survival, the more compassionate traditions tend to get lost. As Muslims the world over feel that Jerusalem is slipping from their grasp, some espouse an intolerance that is far from the Koranic spirit. In an age in which religious atrocity occurs in nearly all faiths, it would be tragic if the Muslim tradition of inclusion and respect were lost to the world.

Karen Armstrong is the author of Islam: A Short History and, more recently, Buddha

Time Magazine,16 April 2001

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Omar in Jerusalem

The Caliph left Ali in Medina as his deputy and himself left for Jerusalem. He had only one attendant with him and only one camel to ride. Omar and the attendant rode the camel by turns. It happened to be the servant's turn to ride on the day when they were to reach Jerusalem. "Commander of the Faithful," said the attendant, "I give up my turn. It will look awkward, in the eyes of the people, if I ride and you lead the camel."

"Oh no," replied Omar, "I am not going to be unjust. The honour of Islam is enough for us all."

Abu Obaid, Khalid, Yazid and other officers of the army went some distance to receive the Caliph. All of them were wearing silk cloaks. This made Omar angry. He took some pebbles and threw them at his generals, saying, "Have you changed so much in just two years? What dress is this? Even if you had done this two hundred years from now, I would have dismissed you."

The officers replied, "Commander of the Faithful, we are in a land where the quality of clothes worn tells the rank of a man. If we wear ordinary clothes, we will command little respect among the people. However, we are wearing our arms underneath the silken robes."

This answer cooled down the anger of the Caliph.

Next the Caliph signed the treaty of peace. It ran as follows:

"From the servant of Allah and the Commander of the Faithful, Omar: The inhabitants of Jerusalem are granted security of life and property. Their churches and crosses shall be secure. This treaty applies to all people of the city. Their places of worship shall remain intact. These shall neither be taken over nor pulled down. People shall be quite free to follow their religion. They shall not be put to any trouble..."

The gates of the city were now opened. Omar went straight to the Temple of David (Masjid-i-Aqsa). Here he said his prayer under David's Arch.

Next he visited the biggest Christian church of the city. He was in the church when the time for the afternoon prayer came.

"You may say your prayers in the church," said the Bishop.

"No," replied Omar, "if I do so, the Muslims may one day make this an excuse for taking over the church from you."

So he said his prayers on the steps of the church. Even then, he gave the Bishop a promise in writing. It said that the steps were never to be used for congregational prayers nor was the Adhan [call to prayer] to be said there.

By Prof. Fazl Ahmad who has written many books on Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the Caliphs

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written by garuda, August 31, 2009 16:48:23
You can say what u want but the UMNO muslims view us as haram and infidels to the core!! we are the worst animals for UMNO, and we are never to be allowed any freedom or even rights under UMNO at all.
My Malay friends are sympathetic and say they would be enraged if we did this to them, and yet they say we are indeed more patient than what they hv been taught!! u see in the end we are better off than UMNO as we live by our hearts and soul not by UMNO,s continued attacks on our freedom of worship, any fool will tell you that toyo is behind this, any idiot knows that UMNO is behind this and maybe thats why we are silent,,,in malay there is a proverb,,kerana setitik nila susu di tempayan di curahkan...guess who is the nila and who is the susu
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 16:54:30
Dear garuda, that is fine. I don't dispute what you say. My 'job' is to prove to you that what those people did on Friday is NOT Islamic teachings. And I do this by relating historical facts, not myths. Tabari, the greatest Islamic historian, also related the same story above. So, whack Umno if you wish. But don't blame Islam because true Islam is as I wrote above. And what I wrote is not my opinion but the opinions of respected authors accepted by the Muslim world and based on undisputed historical facts. Heck, even Time Magazine published it.
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written by veseti, August 31, 2009 16:55:12
wht happened on tht day was just stupid ppl going around parading with a dead cows head. its funny tht PM thinks he can erase this style of thinking before 2020.
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written by malaysian, August 31, 2009 17:06:54
Dear Garuda,

Rest assured that there are more good Muslims in Malaysia than UMNO pigs, but like good Malaysians of other races and religious beliefs, they are just powerless right now to stop these thugs. We must work hard for the 13th GE!
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written by sampalee, August 31, 2009 17:09:47
The event may be singular.but Tuhan teaches to the masses each according to what they required.To the demonstrator,they unveiled their own stupidity and as such it is no point hiding.To the evil umno,it shows that how well manged an evil plan will backfire.To the pr government,do not be complecent and hide behind excuses.To the masses,high time they wake up to the spin of politicians[both the secular and religeous kins].To the faithful,the Truth will prevail and nothing is going to change that.
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written by taxi90, August 31, 2009 17:11:19
If Sec23 was a 100% Malay area, i may still be able to stomach what happened. I may be able to convince myself that this is due to lack of intermingling, understanding etc etc. But no, Sec23 is not a malay island in the middle of the Pacific. Malays living there have Indians for their neighbors. A lot of indians, and definitely not since yesterday. And yes, they are not just UMNO supporters. Yet they can be 'tergamak' to do this.
For a moment I was daydreaming that March8 was a turning point in the Malay psyche, and that they are coming out of their cocoons. That illusion is broken. 50 years of warmongering by BN with their Islam ver. Hadhari and Malay supremacy has lead to irreversible brain damage.
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written by Vic, August 31, 2009 17:11:44
pete, more isa coming smilies/wink.gif
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written by Milo, August 31, 2009 17:12:24
The non-muslims have no issue with the Islam as pictured above. It is praise worthy to be in the presence of people who practices this form of Islam. There is simply little for others to critisize about. Non-muslims only tale great issue with "Islam" whose followers go amok at the drop pin.
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written by choong, August 31, 2009 17:14:21
we don't need bloodshed. we certainly need religious tolerance.

but isn't it true the section 23 folks argue that having a temple in a 90% muslim majority area is unacceptable? where do one expect religious minorities to build their houses of worship? by default, this country has a muslim majority. if they just broaden their scope of "area", we would never stand a chance to build any houses of worship anywhere in Malaysia.

yes, they can point to those still standing today. but didn't our population increase? don't our needs correspondingly increase? this is one of our deepest fears living in this country, whether we have, if any, religious freedom at all as the muslim population increases and we, the non-muslim minority, sooner or later constitute insignificant numbers.

all we can do is pray. Pray to God in preparation of the coming religious persecution while preparing ourselves to cope with it.
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written by cheehau, August 31, 2009 17:16:36
Pete,

I appreciate the fact that you try to make sense to the people that Islam is a religion of tolerance. But the fact is, in light of recent developments, we can no longer rely on people knowing what is right and wrong in their religion.

I have a suggestion. What about lobbying for a total revamp on our education system? Instead of telling the people what is right and wrong in accordance to their religious belief, we teach them what are the right values, values that are associated with being a true-blue Malaysian. We teach them that tolerance must be upheld in order to consider oneself as Malaysian instead of teaching values that only serve to benefit the ruling government's propaganda. Of course this will not be easy, but what about we start it step by step? Let us start by reviewing the capabilities of our teachers.

I believe when the people are well-educated, we no longer need the government to tell us what is right and wrong anymore. We can see it with our own eyes and think with our own brains. By then, leaders that do not come out and condemn the shambolic act of stepping on a cow head will be scrutinized to the core. And that include both leaders from Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat who, to my huge disappointment, did not even have the balls big enough to come out and make a stand in regard to this issue.
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written by Oscar Winner, August 31, 2009 17:19:00
It's indeed enlightening, dear Pete. I normally do not like to comment on articles on religion as I am not any religious scholar. If I am careless I may infuriate believers of a particular faith. These 2 pieces by Karen Armstrong and Prof. Fazl Ahmad, if I had read them correctly, show that once upon a time christians and muslims did actually live harmoniously under great leaders who truly understood the teachings of their religions. You have done a lot to educate the fanatics and munafiqs, and I hope more of such pieces will be posted on MT, so that not only readers back home, but readers the world over will get to read them. Hopefully eventually terrorism will come to an end and we have peace not only in Malaysia, but on earth. Keep it up, bro.
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written by fendyoasis, August 31, 2009 17:24:01
Well I said this before, and Ill say it again, the people who brought the cow head incident in Shah Alam all should be shot. A total disgrace to myself!
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written by Davy McChester, August 31, 2009 17:26:22
Well,that is the positive side of the story of the give and take of the three.And they marched on and ensured the buds are trampled upon............because God from the bush said so.The other two reformed,the third one needs to do something seriously to remove the contradictions,otherwise it would continue to allow the confusion to prolong for another 1400 years.Some among its adherents seek blood to unite while the majority become fearful of their own lifes.They stand afar and watch and write to defend its virtue in comfortable settings.The minority side issues edicts,the majority shy away,because from the same scriptures the violent minority can quote and justify its actions,that it also God sanctioned. About time, like the other two,the third one should have the guts to remove the contradictions
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 17:29:38
By the way, before anyone starts arguing that Hindus are not mentioned in the article above, Sultan Tipoo was the Muslim ruler of a Hindu state in India, Mysore, and he undertook to build Hindu temples, not tear them down. And there was no question about whether they must be far from mosques.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 17:41:30
Dear Vic, ISA? You referring to this part: Muslim texts make it clear that this was not a physical experience but a visionary one (not dissimilar to the heavenly visions of the Jewish Throne Mystics at this time)?
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written by cheehau, August 31, 2009 17:43:06
Educate.

You are free to discount my opinion, Pete. But I sincerely believe many, if not all of the social ills besieging our nation can at least be addressed properly with the people receiving proper education, not just the eternal chase for numbers of A's in the certificate.

Perhaps I am using the word 'education' vaguely here, but education can come from many sources. I believe the articles that you come out with are informative and utlimately, it serve the purpose of educating the people and opening their eyes on the truth, or at least, the ideals that you believe are right.

Like I mentioned, we want the teachers themselves to act as the first line of role models for children at school. Teachers must be dedicated and feel proud of their profession for educating the next generation of leaders, and not just taking the job as a mean to existence.

Just to relate a personal experience to you, I was once caned by my discipline teacher for the simple reason of disagreeing with a teacher on a particular subject. This incident sent a very strong message to my fellow classmates that disagreeing with a higher authority would land you in hot soup regardless of your stand. This should not be the way. Students should be guaranteed the freedom to express their opinions freely in schools, where ideas flow freely. Sadly, this is non-existence in our education system, and this has led to a creation of a society that just follows the pack, or "Mou Chun Toi".

Based on this reasoning, I cannot see why education is not the single most important issue that must be addressed first if we were to move to a society of first-class mentality. Feel free to disagree with me, but at least that is what I believe in.
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written by truthbespoken, August 31, 2009 17:46:10
"Why the Shah Alam ‘cow head’ episode goes against the spirit of Islam".

Good, good. But I am still wondering what would have happened if the situation was reversed. If cartoons could get the whole world fired up and make some people fanatical and murderous, what about if they are the same people who strongly believe that a cow is a secret animal and a symbol of their religious belief? The cow's bloodied head was stamped and spat on and dragged along the streets! Could the same people in the whole wide world have protested in the same profuse and vehement spirit and run rampage over others? Think again on the reaction.

Hence, I totally agree with RPK that the cow-head incident in Shah Alam was not done in the true spirit of Islam and should not have happened. But then, what to do, it had happened and was publicly carried out by misled deviants and extremists from the UMNO party! It was more of a stupid political move than a religious outburst! I hope the Police as directed by the PM will not further delay appropriate actions and caged in the stupid buggers promptly. Otherwise, 1Malaysia will continue to ring hollow!
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 17:57:29
Dear truthbespoken, ah yes, but Umno must explain the seminar they organised where where Noh Omar and many other Umno Selangor leaders spoke saying that Umno must grab back Selangor to 'save Islam'. Then Noh Omar visited the Section 19 Hindu temple and said that he will apply for a court injunction to stop the temple from being transferred to Section 23.

This is all about Umno using the temple issue to 'unite' the Malays in an attempt to oust the Pakatan Rakyat state government. It is not, I repeat NOT, about Islam. It is politics all the way.
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written by uxzee, August 31, 2009 18:10:46
Yes, Islam does not permit Muslims to desecrate the religious symbols or house of prayers of other religions. Only half bake Muslim fanatics do this and there are plenty of such people in UMNO.

TG Nik Aziz is among the Muslim leaders who practise true Islamic teachings but then he is always misquoted by the UMNO MSM to look bad. Kota Bahru has a very big Buddha statue and Chinese business shops there display their names in big prominent Chinese characters which I do not see much in KL. I saw more Chinese girls wearing hot pants at the pasar malam in Kota Bahru than in KL.

The cow-head incident was created by UMNO & PDRM for many reasons, including distracting from MACC heat, distracting from reasons of by-election loss at Permatang Pasir, blame the Selangor govt and instigating another attempt to take over Selangor.
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written by tmf, August 31, 2009 18:18:58
Dear RPK, Sir, no right thinking person can believe that the despicable act of those involeved in the cow-head provocasion has anything to do with Islam. True muslims must rise against those bigots for insulting Islam during the holy month of Ramadan; they must be sent to the rehab center at Ulu Yam for deviant practice including grotesque display of cruelty to a poor cow to provoke others in the name of Islam.
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written by wahyu9, August 31, 2009 18:20:00
At least for me, it does not matter what "true" islam or "true" muslim is. No doubt all religions and all races had their good and bad moments.

What I see is an increasing terror in the name of religion by one group of Muslims. Anyone else like RPK had already been defined as outcastes. The rest with any conscience are reduced to murmur 'this is not true islam'.

The difference, in case it is not clear, is, Christian bigots in the USA are loudly contronted by other Christians. Same goes to Hindus in India.

I don't know whether those who I see as bigots are 'true' muslims. What I know is, world over, people of this religion are too meek and powerless to control the bigots and terrorists in their religion. Historically, once it starts rolling, it is near impossible to stop this bigotry. It might not be True Islam but definitely has something to do with Islam.

I do believe we are barking at the wrong tree in trying to find what is and what is not True Islam.

One more thing. Liberal Muslims begging the bigots to behave by saying "This is a multi-racial country" may not work. Like basically saying such bigotry is mandated but just infeasible.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 18:29:29
Dear wahyu9, and your point is?.......
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written by tmf, August 31, 2009 18:35:21
Agreed dear wahyu9, and if no firm action by any enforcement agency is taken against those bigots in the cow-head incident, the least we can conclude is that the future of this land is misty, unless all decent citizen unite and vote out this present federal government which is clearly against the welfare of the people.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 18:35:58
Dear cheehau, sure, and we place our tooth under our pillow and the tooth fairy will leave money. Life is not so simple. Do we really need to just educate and everything will be honky-dory? Some of the worst drivers on Malaysian roads drive BMWs, Benzes and other expensive cars. But they have no road manners in spite of the university education they received. The fishermen in Tumpat are better mannered.

Why do you think we need laws? Why do you think we have to disagree with the US and make it a crime to carry guns in Malaysia? Sometimes more than just education is needed. Sometimes laws are also needed. But many speak as if we do not need laws or banning or whatnot but just teach people to be nice and they will be nice.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 18:36:39
Sheesh....Malaysian r-o-a-d-s. See, I too am subjected to censorship.
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written by AtanSian, August 31, 2009 18:39:46
The Hindu temple was at the original site for many decades. Good enlightened muslims moved in, knowing of its existence and prepared to live next to it. Then some trouble making racist extremists demanded that it should be moved now that the area is becoming predominantly Malay. So it moved. Even then it had no peace. The same goes for Churches, and absurdly the height of the buildings. As if God cares who has the highest building in the vicinity, if his "faithful" are so narrow minded.
These extremists are not defending Islam they are deliberating abusing the name of Islam for the only purpose of causing trouble for their own narrow political advantages.
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written by wahyu9, August 31, 2009 18:49:56
Dear wahyu9, and your point is?.......

Do I sound stupid if I say I am not sure? Guess I am just thinking aloud and hoping others will join in and find a solution.

I know UMNO is behind the latest thing. But they are just taking advantage of the inherent behaviour of Muslims. I think one weakness could be with the muslim liberals who are rather meek.

I don't know. What I believe, reading articles here, those in myKMU.net, Malaysia-Waves etc is, arguing about true Islam or true Muslim ends up just skirting around a rising problem. A problem not only for non-muslims but everyone.

I admit I am thinking too much too fast these days after reading "World War Z". Sorry for getting irritated with this 'true' Islam / 'true' Muslim stuff.
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written by Saint, August 31, 2009 19:09:10
Sorry, RPK. One swallow does not make a summer.Your "moderate or true" Muslims kind are like one single swallow.Too late - changes cannot be made, not only in Malaysia but world wide.It will go from bad to worse only.
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written by Aria, August 31, 2009 19:51:32
Religion and race stirs up great emotions in Malaysian people. The BN government know it and they have used it to their advantage.
All it takes is a few people to stir up a crowd. BN probably had a hand with the stirrers of the crowed and instructed the police chief not to take any action on the cow head mob.
BN then comes out saying that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable and tries to show that BN will punish those stirrers involved. Does BN think that everyone in Malaysia is as stupid as them? The police are out hours before an anti government rally, so why not in this cow head issue? Maybe it will bring the Muslims closer to BN and make Pakatan look bad....eh!!

I don't believe that most Muslims in Malaysia would behave with such disrespect to another religion. I am sure that the Muslims would have first talked to the minister before doing such an inflammatory act (cow head). BN has got its finger print all over this cow head issue.
BN better realise this the more they play their racist games with the rakyat they will further divide this nation. BN should the locked up in ISA for this.
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written by cheehau, August 31, 2009 20:52:05
Pete,

Those terrible road users with university certificates do not represent the educated population as a whole, just like how the 50 (or 200, depending on which source you refer to) demonstrators on Friday were not doing justice to Islam and the Muslim population in our country.

No doubt that laws and legislations are important. I have never disagreed on that, at all. But let us not take the issue of education out of context. My point is just that with proper education, and by proper education, I mean education that ensures the people obtain knowledge and values that serve to benefit the society and greater good, the people will always be better off.

I understand that there will be issues raised on how different races or religions will perceive certain values differently. This difference is inevitable. But what we can do instead is to focus on the similarities that bind us together, similarities that focus on the greater good. Teachers must educate the young children that politicians are not omni-potent, that they are ultimately, public servants that call the public their boss. Young children must be taught that inciting hatred and stepping down (literally) on other religion are not acceptable, regardless of race and religion.

Notice how the government always play the race card when they find it hard to legislate certain bills that are universally deemed unfair. They play on the fear of certain part of the society in order to garner support. Now, when the people is educated enough to determine what is right and wrong, sophisticated enough to evaluate the issue itself rather than from the perspective of race and religion, do you still think our government will be as blatantly-corrupt and arrogant like now?

Without doubt, I will be criticised that my ideals lack any concrete reasoning and solution to it. Of course, it is easy to say that education is important but the hard part is to formulate an education policy that serve the ideals. But every revolutionary act will have to start somewhere based on one single ideal, and I believe from the ideal of ensuring the people obtaining proper education is somewhere we can start from.
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written by OVERLORD, August 31, 2009 21:05:41
Pete...why are these minority crazys making so much commotion in our beloved country? Where are the voices of the Liberal majority? who should speak up for them since UMNO and Pas can't seem to find the right balance....

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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 21:35:17
Dear Saint, which Islam? And you mean the KKK Christians type of Muslims? Or the Nazi Christians type of Muslims.
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written by Umm Adzka, August 31, 2009 22:02:46
one thing I've learned, we can tell the truth and try to clarify issues but we can't change people's mind unless they want to.

We can't control how people choose to perceive a matter or think over an issue. Garuda chooses to have his own perception, no one can change that but him. Let's see if he will like that idea of "sebab nila setitik rusak susu sebelanga" being applied to a reverse situation involving him or people of his race.

RPK has done a great job by highlighting this is the true version of Islam and that what 50 people have done (are they really from section 23 and are they at all locals?) during such incidents is not Islamic and would be strongly condemned even by the prophet Muhammad PBUH (for God's sake, the uncle whom he loved very much wasn't even a Muslim).

In Islam it is crystal clear - for you your religion and for me my religion and there's no compulsion in religion (not only in choosing the religion but also to choose whether to practise it and if so, to what extent).
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written by Umm Adzka, August 31, 2009 22:04:26
the above applies to other readers who share similar sentiment
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written by budakindia, August 31, 2009 22:07:30
We know the true spirit of Islam! It's just sad the followers are not! smilies/angry.gif
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written by harrbm, August 31, 2009 22:11:09
I can agree with RPK that the cow head incident is not the Islam way but it is in Malaysia as far as I am concerned. Protesting against the temple site is one issue BUT humiliating HINDU is another issue altogether! They have issued a challenge. They have made their demands clear. Their reasons is not important. What is important is the message. That Hindu and Hindu temple is bad for Islamic society IF the majority of the society are muslims. Not so if the majority are others. These issues must be confronted once and for all. Samy Velu must address this. Pas Nik Aziz must condemn the incident. BN must act.
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written by alarcarte, August 31, 2009 22:12:31
The cow head incident, Hotel bombings, Bali Bombing, Suicide bombers, Shia and Sunni going after each other throats in the Middle East, throwing stones at the Church congregation in Ipoh, went under cover consume Catholics Holy Communion and spat it out and wrote nasty stories about it, label fellow Muslims traitors, forbid the Malay Christians using the word Allah, is that Islamic?

If that is, I am afraid the bias against Islam in the western world are justified.
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written by ISA MANTEQI, August 31, 2009 22:20:22
Only when religion and politics are separated will this silly and dangerous games stop. Until then expect more of the same and continued religious strife.
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written by usurper, August 31, 2009 22:36:32
Dear RPK,
You have been for so long trying to send the message across to MT readers as to how fair Islam has been. Based on your many writings on Islam I fully agree with you. Unfortunately what is happening here does not seem to be Islamic but an act of a few people trying achieve a political goal using Islam. What is most upsetting is the many ball-less Muslims who are just bystanders watching this side show that derogates Islam. Are these Muslims really all munafiqs like you have said? Are Malaysian muslims so timid or just plain opportunistic to react? I have lost faith in the Malays as a race that can lead Malaysia into the future! As a race the Malays have failed miserably in all fronts. The Malays have allowed the mamak's and other Muslims to dominate the politics as they rob all the wealth leaving the majority Malays so much more poorer. These robbers have used a psuedo-Islam that makes idiots of the Malays like those we saw in Section 23. These fools are the worst kind of living creature that you could find in this universe . A cow is an animal and having to treat a dead cow as such only shows the mentality of the protesters on how inhumane they have become.No matter how much they have been paid or what is their political agenda their actions are simply dumbfounding. These Malays are idiots and those Malays who keep quite are bigger idiots. The Hindus will never be insulted by this absurdity and moronic act; only saddened by this surge of stupidity and convinced that Malaysia has been usurped by a group that would keep tormenting the others just to remain in power by using these stupid Malays.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 22:36:39
An Islam hater will remain an Islam hater never mind what I may say. 50 Umno people demonstrated against Tan Sri Khalid (PKR), Rodziah Ismail (PKR), Khalid Samad (PAS) and Dr Xavier (PKR and a Christian) and you choose to whack Islam just so that you can prove what Noh Omar said in his speech - that Islam is under attack from the non-Muslims in Malaysia. You are also part of the problem. You are helping Umno prove their point to the Malays.

I even see some of you asking that the ISA be used against these 50 people. And these are the same people who whack the ISA. But you don't mind it being used against your enemies. A bad law is okay as long as we use it against those we don't like. I suppose you also agree that Serbians and Bosnians rape each other's women since raping an enemy is acceptable? As long as it does not happen to a friend then okay.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 22:42:36
Dear usurper, yeah, right. And Umno is in power even with those very few seats because the Malay-Muslim MCA, MIC, Gerakan and Sabah-Sarawak (Iban, Dayak, Kadazan, etc.) parties give them that power. Yeah, blame the Malays when the largest number of opposition MPs and ADUNs are Malays.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 22:45:50
Dear alarcarte, which part of my article above do you not understand? You are asking the question to a reply already given. Do you need my article translated?
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written by tumbledore, August 31, 2009 22:47:42
dear RPK,
you have taken up a monumental task to teach the muslims the true islam.
I'd believe you if you said that once the evil UMNO is kicked out and the real islam is instituited normalcy will return(?) to Malaysia.
I sincerely hope and pray you are right!
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 22:51:45
Dear harrbm, and what do you want Nik Aziz to say? Say, again, that Umno's Islam is false Islam, like 'Islam plastic', like he already did? That make you happy if he repeat that statement? Maybe chant it 1,000 times to make you really happy. In the meantime HINDRAF can go form a new party that will not support either BN or PR like they said they would. That should solve the problem don't you think so?
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written by cheekhiaw, August 31, 2009 23:11:11
Don't know if it goes against the spirit of Islam but it definitely is in line with the idiocy of those that run the country.

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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 23:14:35
Dear tumbledore, and the Islam-haters are as much a problem as the Umno buggers that I have a good mind to just sit back and do nothing and let both sides kill off each other.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 23:18:17
And those 'concerned' Malaysians are really so concerned that today, Merdeka Day, KL was flooded with people wearing black. There were at least 5 people wearing black. Cakap banyak! You deserve what you are receiving from Umno.
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written by Saint, August 31, 2009 23:31:07
Dear RPK, The explosive form of Islam "visibly demonstrated" by the handful,and the vast majority who remain silent due to fear, thus taken as acceptance. The one or two "swallows" sitting in Indonesia, Singapore or US just make a "call" every now and than but powerless to change the dangerous handful. The system is not localized to institute change by the majority, but has become a global Muslim phenomenon. Any changes must start from a world Islamic prospective, but the Muslims are too "lost in their historical past" that they cannot understand present reality or even mutual compassion for fellow humans. I do not foresee any more "golden age" for this religion. More civilized people are going to distance themselves from this religion.
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written by Raja Petra, August 31, 2009 23:35:31
Yes, Saint, I know what you mean. I have the same feelings as you when I see what the Hindus are doing to the Buddhists in Sri Lanka. It's really sickening how religion is used to perpetuate violence don't you agree?
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written by Saint, August 31, 2009 23:45:53
But having said that Dear RPK, Islam by itself will not diminish or loose steam. Muslims are "forced" to be within it. The explosive few will not only cause harm to themselves and to the non-Muslims, but also to all peace loving Muslims. How any one is going to solve this is a million dollar question. I do not hate any religion, but only sympathize with the explosive few and at present Islam is having too many of them worldwide, for anybodies liking.
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written by mowadoha, August 31, 2009 23:55:34
As I see it .....



Likewise .....

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written by leftygoodfella, September 01, 2009 00:05:56
Dear Pete, you and I are the same. People call us moderate muslims, but no we are not. We are the fundamentalists. Moderate muslims alter the religion to suits their needs with inventions (bid'ah), while people like you and I just follow what was mentioned by Allah in Quran and the teachings of Prophet Mohammed.
So is being tolerant of other religion is a sign of moderate Moslem? No, it is not. It is a sign of a fundamentalist Muslim, like the Prophet himself (and with your given example, Umar). By correct measure, Taliban is far away from being fundamentalist.
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written by Wakeupmsia, September 01, 2009 00:12:18
Some just don't understand the message being conveyed, Pete. On the whole, it's easy to blame religion rather than those 'politically inclined protestors'. We should think with our brain rather than with our heart. You are absolutely right to say that 'we will be playing into UMNO's hand by blaming Islam' Mowadoha pictures tells a thousand words. BTW, Pete, what are you? Human or super-human? Gee...past and present articles make so much sense! Beats me.
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written by harrbm, September 01, 2009 01:19:03
dear RPK

with due respect, Hidraft may do what Hindraft need to do. It doesn't concern me a bit. Hindraft objective is blurry. I see many so called marginalised Indians in expensive restaurants and pubs full of Philipino chicks ( and also in Thailands throwing their hard earn Malaysian Ringgits). If these Indians are in food centres, I can always, ALWAYS see a bottle or two Carsberg bottles. Enough about hindraft. They are nothing and wont help build this beautiful country.

What I want Nik Aziz to say ? I want Nik Aziz to condemn the incident just like you did. I want Nik Aziz to call for a mammoth gathering of Hindus to explain that the said incident is not the Islamic way.

Those protestors have gone beyond the limits. But let it be. We are all so powerless to do anything except write about it.

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written by Raja Petra, September 01, 2009 01:57:23
Dear harrbm, okay, then instead of bitching and moaning why not do something about it? Write an OPEN LETTER TO NIK AZIZ which I will publish in MT. Pour out your feelings about the matter in that letter. Request Nik Aziz to say something about the matter.

You people are such cry babies. Always grumbling about how the non-Malays and non-Muslims are victims of the big, bad, Umno, Malay, Muslim government.

Will you guys stop crying like babies and do something like proper men. All we ask is for you to do a simple thing - come out on Merdeka Day dressed in black. I hardly saw anyone dressed in black yesterday.

So stop crying like babies. You guys are pathetic. I actually enjoy watching Umno whack the shit out of you to teach you a bloody lesson you deserve.
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written by Raja Petra, September 01, 2009 02:01:36
Dear apa jadi, I suppose your solution is to post hate-Islam messages under false names. Great way to solve the problem, don't you agree?
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written by Raja Petra, September 01, 2009 02:06:24
Dear harrbm, read this:

Ahli Jawatankuasa Dewan Ulamak PAS negeri Kelantan Ustaz Muhammad Mustafa berkata, selain menyinggung perasaan penganut agama hindu, tindakan di luar ajaran Islam itu juga mampu mencetuskan ketegangan kaum.

"Apakah dengan membuat demonstrasi membawa kepala lembu tersebut satu cara penyelesaian? Ini akan menyinggung perasaan penganut agama Hindu yang mereka menganggapkan lembu sebagai seekor binatang suci. Islam tidak menyuruh kita menyinggung perasaan penganut agama lain," ujar Adun Demit tersebut.

Beliau yang hairan dengan sikap pihak tersebut yang mendakwa mereka juga Islam, namun bertindak jauh melampaui batas dan tunjuk ajar agama dan sering kali menjadi dalang kepada perpecahan Islam dan perpaduan kaum.
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written by Raja Petra, September 01, 2009 02:09:01
And this:

Para mufti sepatutnya bertindak segera untuk membetulan ajaran sesat yang menghina Islam serta memalukan umatnya, kata Naib Presiden PAS, Datuk Mahfuz Omar.

"Sebarang perbuatan yang mencetuskan provokasi supaya orang lain menghina Islam serta memberikan gambaran yang sangat buruk kepada Islam hakikatnya adalah perbuatan menghina Islam.

"Adakah para pemimpin Umno Selangor tidak terlibat dengan perarakan ajaran sesat yang memberikan gambaran buruk terhadap Islam itu?" soal beliau ketika mengulas penunjuk perasaan yang mengarak dan memijak kepala lembu di Shah Alam.

Beberapa NGO Melayu mengarak kepala lembu ke bangunan Setiausaha Kerajaan Selangor sebagai membantah cadangan pemindahan sebuah kuil Hindu ke Seksyen 23 Shah Alam.

Dari sepanduk-sepanduk bantahan mereka, adalah jelas mereka adalah penyokong Umno kerana melaungkan slogan yang sama dengan slogan yang dilaungkan oleh para pemimpin Umno.

Mereka turut disertai oleh beberapa orang yang mendakwa penduduk kawasan berkenaan.

Mahfuz menyifatkan perbuatan itu sebagai provokasi untuk mencetuskan api perkauman yang bertujuan menutup kelemahan dan keburukan Umno.
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written by PresleyP, September 01, 2009 02:18:07
For years, under Quota System and so on, I was "forced" to go "cari makan" outside Malaysia. And out there was where I see what meritocracy means.

Yeah, I once hated Malays/Muslim (forgive me for that ignorance), but it is through all the enlightening articles from MT and other articles that I started to look at things at different perspective. It is the small group of politicians who use the religion for their political purposes.

By logic, maybe I am wrong, it is very clear to see who is behind all these huh-hahs in Selangor. He wants to sobotage PR in Selangor, he wants to start bush fire in Selangor, so that the MB, MPs and ADUNs will be busy to put off the bush fire and had no time to kacau him and his Palace. And if he succeed in doing so, then he will be given a big reward by UMNO, either in terms of pangkat or $$. We can see the "poison letter" from MACC mentioned about his name too.

If you look further up, who is the one who give the green light for this guy to pakat with MACC to destroy PR in Selangor ? It is quite obvious that the guy who went to Mecca to clean his sin is behind the whole drama. The same guy who can authorize to erase the evidence in Immigration Department.

When the MACC could not meet the dateline, he use Cow Head as the next strategy. All he need is to pay $1000 - $10,000 for each of the protestors to do the dirty work, with the guarantee that PDRM will not arrest them. They have such a good teamwork and strategy, I wish they could channel their wisdom into the benefit of this country.

What does this guy have to lose ? If racial riot gets out of control, this guy can just fled the country and go back to his home country and let the "stupid" Malaysians kill among themselves. I mean the stupid Malaysian, you and me !!!



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written by Raja Petra, September 01, 2009 02:19:19
Listen people, the whole problem is Umno is using your comments in Malaysia Today to present as 'evidence' to the Malays that Islam is under attack. Maybe I am causing more damage than good by allowing you to comment in this Blog. Maybe I should just close the comments section to avoid more damage and to stop Umno from using these comments as ammunition against the opposition. I think your comments are hurting the cause and, unfortunately, I am a party to that. I will decide in the next 24 hours what to do. I also suspect some of you are commenting with intentions to create a rift between the races so that the opposition is weakened.
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written by bakas, September 01, 2009 02:42:39
Too bad that only now people are realizing about this. When someone stirs an issue or create problems for the non-Muslims, non of the other religions are speaking up. But when it is their religion that is being "disturbed", then, they foamed at their mouth and swore and bash Islam to kingdom come. How true are these words by Martin Niemoller about the apathy of people. Note, I change it slightly, to better reflect our situation.


"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Catholic. Then they came for the Hindus, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Muslim. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."
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written by tumbledore, September 01, 2009 03:27:09
dear Raja Petra,

I agree with you unconditionally thats why I said that you have taken up a monumental task. I was born in 1951 and was there for the merdeka celebration. the then peace and tranquility is what I miss most today. why should it be a religion that segregates us.
why can't we be JUST Malaysians!?

after being in the MT community for the last two years I'm convinced that sooner or later the moderate Malaysians will get to have a say in the politics.

please let us strive for that day.

wish there were more of your sorts and the likes of Azly Rahman, Tengku Aziz and Nik Aziz.

I'm not a hater of any religion because religion and superstitions are the forerunners of a civilised community leading to the formation of government systems.
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written by Fairminded, September 01, 2009 08:11:05
There is nothing wrong and everything good in Islam just like any other of the world's great religions. The tennets of all religion are good. Unfortunately, religion is a very emmotional subject. As such it is up to the muslims themselves to educate these deviants because if the non muslims were to try to reason or debate about Islam with muslims we always meet with a defensive attitude - either , you are not a muslim and therefore know nothing about Islam or you are attacking Islam. The image of Islam in the world is not too good lately. So my muslims friends, do something about it. If nothing is done about this cow head fiasco then all Malaysians and the world will invariably conclude that Islam, indeed, is a barbaric, uncivil and out of tune to the modern times religion. Dont blame others for the negative image.
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written by tmf, September 01, 2009 09:25:43
Dear Sir, While Islam was much misunderstood by many in Malaysia, I do not believe that there are people in Malaysia who genuinely hate the religion. Your writings over the years have enlightened many of us, and we are grateful that you have consistently taken great pain to explain issues which otherwise would have been twisted by those with devious agenda.

The political agenda in the cow-head provocation is obvious to many of us, therefore the unusual calm. However, there are two groups of we need to address.

The first group consists of those innocent non-muslims who are not discerning enough and who do not read much but who are naturally very affected by what they see and eventually feeling very confused and fearful of Islam as a result of such cow-head incident. Regretfully, MT is not able to directly reach these traumatised Malaysians.

Then we have the perpetrators. Pressure should be asserted so that meaningful and prompt actions are taken against this group to alleviate the fear of innocent non-muslims and send a clear signal to the world at large that this is a political rather than a religious issue. This cow-head incident clearly endanger the security of our country and adversely affecting the well being of our economy. In this modern age of globalization, if such incident is not propably handled, will lead Malaysia to be perceived uncivilised. The rest of the world, like those confused Malaysians, may not be aware of the political undertone.

If the government of the day fail to take convincing action, and they are running out of time to do so, against those perpetrators, the incident will directly affect our tourism industry and certainly scare off foreign direct investment which had already noosedived.

So, thank you Sir, for explaining the insident from the religious perspective, but sincerely, we can do a better job by exposing the underlying political agenda just as you have also done in many of your reply to the many commentors.
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written by kavidibaku, September 01, 2009 09:46:28

One interesting thing is that Hindus pray to burung merak, tikus,ular, harimau, monyet and also singa. Jika mereka tu jantan betul, they should have paraded with harimau,ular or singa's head and not with some pathetic kepala lembu. MORONS OF THE CENTURY.
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written by imanj, September 01, 2009 11:21:55
A comment coming in a little late....

Why does every irrational act by an individual or individuals be because of the person by their race and or religion????

Why isn't any irrational act by an individual or individuals be because they are just people who are without the slightest respect for themselves,their families,relatives,friends,society or Country...??

Why would any demand for better life be about race and religion???

Is the air we breathe conditioned by race or religion?? Did it say in any teachings that the earth is conditioned by race and religion..??

This whole world seems the same,when wanting to act or react to any matter..it never fails to always brand an issue or situation with race and religion,culture and tradition..

If anyone is without sin,you be the first to cast the stone..The 'shit stirred by anyone is not only eaten by others,it continues to be stirred by more who didn't begin the 'shit' in the first place...!!!

Honestly if we keep this up,we are no better then the wrong we live and breathe in..!!!
Everyone seems to think agression is the way out..Be in charge with arrogant and instill fear to keep things in check..So is there anyone who doesn't want to be apart of it..??

This country needs a party that would have the strongest ammunition to run it peacefully and that is,never ever showing agression,be a party to it,get effected by it...!!

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written by Jit Dharma, September 01, 2009 11:48:07
Bro.RPK, you have a good heart. I am sure even in this time of distress
you were moved to tears by the outrage of these imbeciles. I often wonder
where is the art that can weld these disparate souls together? Heal and
put to rest the distrust that can only drive them apart.Our work is clear
and with shoulders to the wheel, we continue.
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written by teo siew chin, September 01, 2009 12:14:03
"...I also suspect some of you are commenting with intentions to create a rift between the races so that the opposition is weakened...."
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errrr YM RPK... wasn't that obvious?
it is so much easier to destroy than build.

What does it take to win the hearts of the people be it coming from the ruling party or the opposition? oops... the intention was not to win hearts but to break em!

I say, YM RPK.... surely you can come up with an article on some good deeds done by Malaysians in the name of Islam!
As always, the message of Islam has been pure and kind...only the messengers sully it! Such a shame.
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written by Steven Ong, September 01, 2009 13:05:12
Agree with you RPK. From the comments in MT, Umno sure can use some of it as evidences against you. I am guilty too. But to close the comment section would also be to silence the people's voices. This may be more dangerous than just letting the people vent their angers on the web. Whether there is or no comments, the power can also find other ways to prosecute and persecute their enemies.

With the comments we will know where we are and how to take the appropiate actions against it. This Umno could also use it for remedial actions and good instead to persecute the their enemies.
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written by wahyu9, September 01, 2009 14:48:12
Yes, Saint, I know what you mean. I have the same feelings as you when I see what the Hindus are doing to the Buddhists in Sri Lanka. It's really sickening how religion is used to perpetuate violence don't you agree?

I am really disappointed. If you want to mention Hindu religious violence, this example is totally inapplicable.

Please try to differentiate:
1. a.The Inquisation era wars where Counter-Reformation-Catholics killed Protestants. vs b.Lutheran Germans vs Orthodox Russians in WW2.

2. a.Iran threatening Israel for being a Jewish state vs b.Palestenians trying to get back their homeland with intifada or suicide bombers.

3. a.The Crusades vs b.Ottomans fighting British in WW1.

4. a.LTTE massacring Batticaloa Muslims simply for being Muslims vs b.Hindu LTTE fighting Buddhist-majority Sri Lankan govt.

No one have to take sides in any of the above issues but I just hope people can realise what is religious violence and what is not.

Historically, wounds of racial wars heal quite fast. The Germans and French came together to create E.U. Even May 13 is healing.

Not so with religious wars. Crusades is not forgotten while not many care that the British, who happen to be christians, fought the Ottoman Empire in WW1.
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It is not the cow-head procession which is the problem. Indeed, Khalid Samad and many others had come out and condemned it. The problem is the willingness of UMNO to let the genie out of the bottle. Considering how muslims all over the world are easily intimidated by radicals, it worries me.

While many spew anti-Islam here, I guess most are just worried but might not know why exactly they are worried; let alone how to express it.

As a person who we all look up to, I do hope you find better ways to educate and guide us. Your replies here are 'perceived' as rather defending Islam. Not really your fault but being non-muslims, I guess we sometimes cannot understand your POV unless it is expressed in our way.

Woe be the teacher.
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written by faridw, September 01, 2009 15:03:23
To the Selangor state government:
Please rename Sec 23 Shah alam as Kampung Kepala Lembu.
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written by Mirage, September 01, 2009 15:14:10
RPK,

Another for your leisure listening....

http://video.******.com/videoplay?docid=1296126090432829344
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written by Mirage, September 01, 2009 15:16:00
Not sure why the ***** appear in my previous posting.....its suppose to be ****** (g.o.o.g.l.e)
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written by BurnTan, September 01, 2009 16:13:53
The danger of religous is there is always multiple vision of it and followers tends to practice their own version.
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written by Milo, September 01, 2009 17:16:57
If the real issue is UMNO using the "evidences" to proof there are anti-Islam sentiments in MT in order to damage the opposition, then it might make sense for MT to consider closing the comments section as a strategic response.

As for branding commenters as haters, please note that the "item" being bashed is not Islam per se but perceived irrationality, immorality or inhumanity in some policies or act associated with the religion. It is evident that those muslims in PAS are much more genuine than those in UMNO as far as practicing Islam is concern. But being genuine, just as being the majority, is not equal to being right...ALWAYS!

Like wahyu9, I am disappointed on the position taken here. This is a real zipper. Yes, we can angrily proclaim that the NEP is not Islamic, but what is there to stop UMNO from claiming it is for the benefit of Muslims and hence Islamic? If discussing any policy with an Islamic connotation is not allowed, then UMNO can always say, "Hey! You non-muslims stay away from our business! The NEP is part of our Islamisation programme and we are the majority, so no reasoning with you needed!"
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written by pakasia, September 01, 2009 19:39:06
UMNO is like TALIBAN.

They use Islam to recruit members and fight to gain their wealth in the name of Allah. In Turkey, you will see majority of Muslims practiced Islamic teachings with open mind. Only those in the rural areas, less educated and exposed are still being manipulated by the few politicians using the name of Islam to fight for their personal gains.

I am glad, however, I see more and more Malays in the urban areas are getting matured! Allah is great to those who help themselves and love others. Not cut off cow's head and insulting others!
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written by SiHangChai, September 01, 2009 22:45:55
Just haul up those mad-cow disease patients and throw them in ISA. They done it and now they pleaded innocent and blaming others? WHat? Bodoh, we got your pictures and it can't tell lies, right??
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written by oneofthesedays, September 01, 2009 23:03:27
Nothing happened to the Malay journalists who desecrated the Eucharist.

Nothing is going to happen to these people either.

Don't you all get it yet?

The majority of Malays just don't care.

The majority of Chinese don't either.

Tun Sodomy really destroyed national unity while he was on his diabolical 20 year quest for money and power.
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written by Raja Petra, September 02, 2009 02:35:49
Dear wahyu9, don't be such a cry baby. You have just pointed out that all through the ages the majority ALWAYS oppresses the minority, Indians-Hindus included. The Malays are of course no better. When they are the minority they behave.
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