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Friday, 08 February 2008 15:44

During the time the Muslims ruled over Spain the Europeans learned Arabic and migrated to Spain in search of ‘Islamic’ knowledge. They absorbed everything they could get their hands on and armed with this new knowledge they went home and translated all the Arabic books into their mother-tongue. And they taught their people what they had learned from the Muslims.

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Use Islam’s past glory to reach greater heights, urges PM

KUALA TERENGGANU: The past glory of Islamic civilisation in various fields should be used as a yardstick for Muslims today in order to achieve greater heights, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said last night.

Addressing some 10,000 people who witnessed the opening of Islamic Civilisation Park in Pulau Wan Man here, Abdullah said Islam had brought great development in the past and innovation was not alien to Muslims.

Therefore this legacy should be continued to achieve even more for Muslims aimed at building an Ulul-Albab society, a society that is with high values and superlative minds,” he said.

Abdullah opened the 23 ha. Islamic Civilisation Park, costing RM250 million, which is a project under the East Coast Economic Region (ECER).

The park features replicas of 12 mosques, the Al-Hambra of Spain, Jerusalem’s Dome of the Rock and the Taj Mahal of India.

Abdullah said the park was not only a tourist attraction but also a source of inspiration for Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Although the monuments are replicas, they reflect the architectural wonders of the Islamic world,” he said.

Abdullah also stressed that Islam Hadhari was based on principles of the Quran and was a universal approach that would not pose problems for non-Muslims in the country.

The Prime Minister added that the park, the only one in the world, is another icon not only for Terengganu but also for the country.

He said visitors from all over the world would be able to see the magnificence of Islamic architecture. (The Star, 4 February 2008)

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Najib waves stick and offers carrot

While promising several goodies for the Indian community, Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak at the same time today warned the community not to go against the ruling BN.

He reminded the community that their future was only bright with the ruling coalition. He added that only BN could guarantee a better socio-economic well-being for them.

Work within the system, he told them, not against it, he stressed.

Continue to place your trust with the Barisan. The Barisan is the future of Malaysian Indians and all Malaysians.”

The future will be better if you work within the system and not against it,” he said this morning when opening a one-day MIC special convention for branch chairperson at the Putra World Trade Centre.

The convention - attended by about 3,700 branch chairmen and MIC elected representatives - is to prepare the party’s grassroots machinery for the upcoming general election.

In obvious reference to Hindu Rights Action Force and the opposition parties, Najib also urged the community members not to be taken in by promises made by those who “stage street demonstrations”.

Do you think your future can be guaranteed by those staging street demonstrations? It is important to send signals to the Indian community that their future lies with the BN,” he said.

He added that the MIC and the community has always been loyal to the BN since independence and urged them to continue that loyalty.

He asked the community to work hard to ensure the BN gets the Indian votes in the coming general election. (K Kabilan, Malaysiakini, 3 February 200)

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I know many of you don’t go to the mosque for Friday prayers, Muslims included, so I thought, today, I would deliver my ‘Friday sermon’ straight to your PC or notebook. Of course, my sermon is nowhere near the sermons you hear in the mosques, which normally put half the congregation to sleep. And I mean they literally fall asleep, not figure of speech here -- and if you don’t believe me then attend the congregational prayers on Friday and see for yourself.

My ‘Friday sermon’ will be based on the statements by both our Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister as reported above by The Star and Malaysiakini. And what I have to say in reply you will definitely not hear in any Malaysian mosque. This, I assure you.

If Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad had been told the same thing -- ‘work within the system and not against the system’; like what Najib said -- then, today, none of the ‘religions of the book’ would exist. If the rulers of their time had told Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad to ‘work within the system and not against the system’ and if these four Prophets had listened and complied, today we would all be followers of only one religion. Considering that Hinduism predates all the ‘religions of the book’ would probably mean that all of us, today, would be Hindus instead of Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc.

But God did not say ‘work within the system and not against the system’; at least the followers of the ‘religions of the book’ believe so. God, in fact, asked us to fight the system, especially if it is a corrupt and oppressive system, argue the followers of the ‘religions of the book’. Abraham was reported to have gone against his own family. Moses was said to have gone against his own family. Mohammad was said to have gone against his own family. I am not too sure if Jesus too went against his own family but he certainly went against the system and Christians believe he was killed because of this.

So, are we supposed to follow what Najib said; work within the system and not against the system? Or are we supposed to follow what the four main Prophets of the ‘religions of the book’ did -- fight the corrupt and oppressive system? I am sure when Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad fought the corrupt and oppressive system rather than work within the system it was by order of God -- at least the followers of the ‘religions of the book’ believe so.

Therefore, be a good follower of God and fight the corrupt and oppressive system. Don’t try to work within the system. You cannot change the system by working within the system. The system, in fact, will change you instead. Only by fighting against this system can the system be changed. This is what God commanded. And this is what Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad did.

Abdullah is proud of the replicas and icons of Islam that were set up in Terengganu at a cost of RM250 million. Abdullah talks about the ‘Golden Age of Islam’ of days gone by. Sure, the Islamic society was once a great society. But then so were the Egyptian, Greek, Roman, and other great societies of their time. Every society has seen its greatness, once upon a time, even the Malays which had its great Malay empire. But all these great societies eventually collapsed. What we need to delve into is not how great these societies were, once upon a time. Instead, we need to know how these societies became great in the first place and what caused their eventual collapse.

Building RM250 million worth of replicas and icons of the once upon a time greatness of Islam is not going to restore Islam to its past glory. Even if you spend RM250 billion to build replicas and icons of the once upon a time greatness of Islam it is not going to restore Islam to its past glory. Money, replicas and icons are not what are required. What is required is proper education for Muslims on what Islam really stands for, which Muslims themselves do not seem to understand basically because they have been misinformed by so-called religious scholars whose very narrow minds have interpreted Islam in a very narrow-minded manner.

Abdullah said Islam had brought great development in the past and innovation was not alien to Muslims. Abdullah further said the park was not only a tourist attraction but also a source of inspiration for Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Abdullah also stressed that Islam Hadhari was based on principles of the Quran and was a universal approach that would not pose problems for non-Muslims in the country.

Does Abdullah really believe what he just said? Yes, the ‘Golden Age of Islam’ was the age of invention, science, engineering, architecture, arithmetic, medicine, and much more. Poetry, music, literature, etc., peaked during the ‘Golden Age of Islam’ and hundreds of thousands of books were written at a time when the European Kings and Emperors could not even write their own name, let alone read.

During the time the Muslims ruled over Spain the Europeans learned Arabic and migrated to Spain in search of ‘Islamic’ knowledge. They absorbed everything they could get their hands on and armed with this new knowledge they went home and translated all the Arabic books into their mother-tongue. And they taught their people what they had learned from the Muslims. Then they innovated even further and expanded this knowledge and did ‘reverse engineering’ and came out with improvements to the ‘technology’ they had learned.

Meanwhile, while the Europeans came out with ‘version 2’, ‘version 3’, ‘version 4’, etc., the Muslims, who were still stuck in ‘version 1’, went backwards. Instead of improving their ‘technology’ or keeping up with the new advancements and improvements in ‘technology’ created by the Europeans -- who in the first place took everything ‘second-hand’ from the Muslims -- the Muslims banned innovation and declared it bidaah.

That was the beginning of the end of the ‘Golden Age of Islam’. The Muslims slid backwards while the Europeans propelled forwards. Just a couple of generations before that the Muslims were performing brain surgery to remove blood clots in the head while the Europeans summoned priests with ‘holy water’ to chase the devils out of the heads of those who were suffering severe migraines.

Granted, not all the inventors and scientists were Muslims. Some were Jews and Christians living in Muslim lands. But the Muslims then saw no harm in trusting the Jews and Christians and learning everything they could from these people who had fertile minds and were able to bring new ideas and improvements to society. But when bidaah was declared haram and innovation was outlawed, the Muslims today inherit only memories of what once used to be the ‘Golden Age of Islam’. And Muslims relive these memories by building replicas and icons to remind them that the nation of Islam was once a great nation and that it is now no longer so.

There is no future in the past. What is past is past. Yes, the Islamic empire was once a great empire. What the Europeans know today they leaned from the Muslims. The Europeans did not even know what ‘zero’ was. With ‘zero’ we have minus-zero, and we also have decimals. The old European Roman numeral was impractical. You could never indulge in science using Roman numerals. You could not even calculate the Ninth Malaysia Plan (RMK9) using Roman numerals. Only with Arabic numerals and by using zeros could this be done.

During the ‘Golden Age of Islam’ the religious scholars and the rulers went through a power struggle. Islam, which was the foundation for the creation of a great empire, suddenly became the stumbling block to growth, so to speak. There are of course always two sides to the story in any conflict. Some say the rulers had by then adopted a very un-Islamic lifestyle. They said the religious scholars were uneasy with the wine drinking and womenising of the rulers. The rulers were cruel and corrupt, some argue. Many religious scholars were jailed or put to death, argue others. But the other side of the argument by those who disagree with this interpretation of history is that the religious scholars wanted a monopoly over Islam so that they and only they could interpret the ‘correct’ version of Islam.

I was not born yet then so I would never know what really happened save for what the two different sides have to argue. But then, as they always say, history is normally written by the victor, never by the vanquished. So it all depends on whose version of history you would like to believe. The British, who wrote Indian history, call it ‘The Indian Mutiny’. The Indians would argue that it was the Indian fight against British injustice. Others call it the Indian struggle for independence from Britain. But then, when in school, we were made to read Indian history books written by British historians. I wonder what history books we would have read if Nagasaki and Hiroshima had not been bombed and, today, we still have the Japanese as our lords and masters.

RM250 million is not really a lot of money. But it is a lot of money if wasted on replicas and icons so that we can nostalgically reminisce about the good old days of the ‘Golden Age of Islam’. That RM250 million would have been better-spent to conduct research as to what made Islam once a great empire and what caused its decline.

Muslims lack proper education. Muslim education is based on folklore, superstition and wishful thinking. Until today Muslims still talk about restoring the rule of the Caliph without even understanding the meaning of the word. They think a Caliph is a God-appointed ruler. Caliph merely means ‘successor’, nothing more, nothing less. In that sense Tun Razak, Hussein Onn, Tun Dr Mahathir and Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, all being successors to their predecessors, are all caliphs. So there is no magic in having Caliphs rule over us. There is nothing mystical or holy about Caliphs. But Muslims do not understand this because Muslims are not properly educated and base their assumptions on folklore, superstition and wishful thinking.

Forget about the past. Forget about reminiscing about the good old days of the ‘Golden Age of Islam’. There is no future in the past. We can never go back. Even if we can, that era no longer works for us today. Look to the past merely to understand how we became great and how all this got demolished later. That would serve us better to face the future.

The Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and so on, do not reminisce about how they were once a great empire and look for ways in how to restore that empire. They accept that the past is past and will have to remain in the past. And they realise one thing that the Muslims do not seem to appreciate. Corruption and oppression brought all these empires down. But while they transformed and became amongst the great democracies of the world, the old Muslim ‘empires’ went further backwards and became failed states, the whole lot of them. And you do not need RM250 million worth of replicas and icons to understand this.

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written by sheppardlight, February 08, 2008 16:18:43
RPK,
You should be the next caliph. i'll vote for you.
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written by temenggong, February 08, 2008 16:54:41
RM 250 million for a feel good park? Is it a replacement for Ayah Pin's Kettle & Teapot Park by the Imam Hadhari? It will be a white elephant in a few months time once the paint comes off. Besides the Taj is a mausoleum - burial ground! Is the replica of the twin towers built by the Mahafiraun there?
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written by malsia1206, February 08, 2008 17:06:00
Remember Barisan did not spend the RM250million. UMNO did. If they did not spend it, Samy would spend it on sinking highways or changing the Parliament roof. Or for payment of consultation fees to redesign some flaws in the original plans. MCA would use the RM250million to inject more stake in the STAR to conntrol the media and plot the headlines 365 days in the rat year. So this Nation would never save the RM250 million any way. The money has to spent. Ans spent specially just before the GE. UMNO gets first priority. What's left is allocated to MCA. Which of course is a very miserable figure. And MIC takes the crumbs. Even with the crumbs, Samy would spend it quickly even before the grassroots know about it. And where does this RM250 million comes from? From our taxes. From those raids conducted by Hasil Dalam Negeri who barged into your office with their SWAT teams and seizing all your files from A to Z. They act like warlords. They impose their penalties. They extort such a hefty amount to leave you sundry and dry. This is the tactics of the Barisan Government. They spend what they do not have. They are spending your money, my money, our money. Kick them out and VOTE OPPOSITION.
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written by The dragonheart, February 08, 2008 17:28:12
With RM250m, if the BN makes its as a RM250K interest free loan (through smart partnership business) each, for the people of Trengganu,... If my calculation is right, 1 million people can benefit. And Trengganu can have zero poverty.

These replicas are of no use to the poor people. Just like the twin Tower (KLCC).. the building belong to Petronas but the land (and the maxis tower attached to the KLCC)still belong to Ananda Krisnan. The richer gets richer. Its only a sybol but how many rakyat gained from the building?
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written by hakunamatata, February 08, 2008 18:04:32
RPK your are spot on.

AAB spends taxpayers money dwelling on history on architecture during Islamic period, whereas the poor fishermen's roof gets blown away during monsoon season - great RM250m usage.

Maybe Nagis wants us to follow his footsteps as well, thus the advice to work within the system. We by working with him will be able to procure weapons we see fit for the country as well as our pockets by the commission.

Great leaders in the likes of TDM,AAB,Najis,etc we have - great examples like how to waste others money and how to rob others legally. We don't need enemies.

We should have a hell of a lot of karma to be besotted with these people as our Leaders.
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written by Agahdemo, February 08, 2008 18:45:00
Najib said :“Do you think your future can be guaranteed by those staging street demonstrations?" Actually, I am not sure but I surely know that there is NO FUTURE in BN, a party that promote the division of the rakyat by RACE and RELIGION!!!
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written by Semuaok, February 08, 2008 19:09:18
RPK you go. Our PM is trying to use is lslam ( disgrace to Islam) to appeal to PAS voter in marginal state. PAS voter you need to know why now? and why not other state?. Islam believer what would you do to a person who uses Islam for his own selfish gain.

Najid is trying to take advantage of Indian good character/behavior. Najid believe Indian is easy to be frighten. They obey and respect what their master tell them. My Indian friend do not be afraid. Do not chicken out even if they charge you with murder again. This is their plot for Indian. Tian Chua is being charge for the same thing. He fight back like a man.

RPK we need to play the game that they(BN) play. We need to appeal to the moderate Malay. We need to tell them how BN has hurt them and what BA can do to help them. "NEP IS BROKE AND BN IS GETTING RICHER" WE WILL GET IT FOR YOU FROM BN.
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written by budakindia, February 08, 2008 19:10:09
We are totally goners. We have body snatchers, temple demolisher, Bible snatching, wannabe tattoo artists. It takes another moron to be a suicide bomber aka assassin. Using religion for personal gain? Come on! And now the new creation of Islam Hadhari which is supposed to be moderate and promote tolerance towards religion? We the non-Muslims just don't see it! Can you point to us the tolerance, we can't see it anywhere! smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by Semuaok, February 08, 2008 19:42:52
MT have too many pro-opposition reader/view. This is the group who already decided who to vote for, from they one. And too bad this group will not help us change. You need to bring in pro-BN/UMNO, to listen to you. This is the group that is not going to like you (RPK they probably do not hate you), and this is the group that count.
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written by cruzeiro, February 08, 2008 20:34:12
You need to bring in pro-BN/UMNO, to listen to you. This is the group that is not going to like you (RPK they probably do not hate you), and this is the group that count.
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Yes semuaok - no amount of anti-corruption/ injustice talk will help change them.

The solution to that may be quite simple - show them that they can be richer and more secure in the long run through meritocracy, without the NEP(as we know it)/Ketuanan Melayu/Islamisation.

Easier said than done though .....
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written by The One, February 08, 2008 20:37:14
when i read Najib's speech, this phrase surfaced in my mind,

"The strength and power of despotism consists wholly in the fear of resistance"

by Thomas Paine
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written by Panca Indera, February 08, 2008 20:52:27
Dear RPK
>>so I thought, today, I would deliver my ‘Friday sermon’ straight to your PC or notebook.
So refreashing!How I love a thinking Man, a nonconformist, warts and all!
Hopefully you will succeed as King Bruce of Scotland did in his fight for his rights. Or you can try to be a martyr like Hussein in Karbala.

>>Abdullah also stressed that Islam Hadhari was based on principles of the Quran and was a universal approach that would not pose problems for non-Muslims in the country.

As a Muslim, AAB must believe the Quran is 100% correct and 100% complete, otherwise he is a hypocrite. Yes/no?
why then create Hadhari to be based on it?
If something is already perfect, why would you make something (imperfection ) based on Perfection?
Usually we make something based on something else, in order to improve the quality. So the proposers of Hadhari including AAB are through and through misguided(and corrupted), as simple as that.
Like what PAS said, that Muslims should not vote for Umno is more accurate, logical and sensible than for non Muslims not to vote for PAS because they want to implement Islam..

If you look at the Islam that had been practiced by the majority in this country (or most other countries) it has Hadhari all over anyway. So the Hadhari is just a cover to mislead further, that’s all.

E all should try to change the political climate by networking through the internet. Most college and university students have laptops or have access to the internet, get them to join forces, after all its their future as well.

Note: Last but not least, to the people who fear that their beliefs and rights will be trample under Islamic system, Don’t believe that bull. The one who really should be afraid are the criminals, corrupted and unjust only, So there!
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written by Semuaok, February 08, 2008 20:57:55
RPK it's not going to be easy to make(pro-BN/UMNO) them come. Here is a tip. Start telling how much you hate pro-BN/UMNO, tell them how they change Malaysia into racist lot, how they help BN/UMNO steal from Malaysia, tell them they are stupid,fool, & tell them to go to hell. Believe me they will come.
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written by united, February 08, 2008 21:18:16
...this is simply brilliant, wish i can have the writer lead my nation.
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written by datnari, February 08, 2008 21:26:13
If this is what the idiotic govt is spending my RM10k a year tax that i pay the IRB, then it is high time i do so tax avoidance.

The stupid umno and bn is screwing us of our hard earned money on crap and shit. We the rakyat are in for the long haul if we do not send these bastards into the ground come election day.
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written by Flex Tan, February 08, 2008 21:32:30
" Muslims lack proper education. Muslim education is based on folklore, superstition and wishful thinking...... MUSLIM'S FAITH IN THEIR GOD HAS ALSO BEEN CONFUSED BY HUMAN GREED.

SOCIALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY ....... THEY ARE REALLY CONFUSED PEOPLE.

WHAT HAS UMNO DONE TO THEIR BRAINS .... ???? OH GOD ....
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written by Loh, February 08, 2008 21:39:16
The idea is the RM 250 million project. Without project, their will be no leakage. In most projects, there must be an excuse to serve the people. It would appear that all the excuses have been used, and it will need creative thinking to make money well spent. At least some creative thinking is needed to come out with a project worthwhile for the mental energy spent on them; and these days, brain power becomes very expensive.

Creating replicas would not attract criticisms of the products, though questions would be raised on the need to do it. But then pride has gotten hold of UMNO who have achieved the success in showing the world that UMNO representatives as Ministers are the best rewarded in the world. The rewards include pay and power to use public funds as petty cash to enrich the families and cronies of UMNO ministers. Malays are made to feel proud that people of their race are successful. That was the raison d'etre for NEP, to make Malays feel proud of people synthetically classified as Malays, though as had been stated in this blog that Malay is hardly considered a race.

Having made used of NEP to make Malays proud, AAB thought that he could do no wrong to remind people of the greatness of Islam, in the past. Past it might be, that great it was. When AAB is sure that with the way Islam is being promoted through snatching dead bodies, greatness of Islam would not be seen, at least no during his watch in Malaysia. So he has a need to bash in old glory, and he thought that all Muslims think like him. Of course as long as he is the PM, he is the model for Islam, especially now that he has claimed that Malaysia is an Islamic state. There is no future in the past for all countries, and in Malaysia, the PM is looking for a future in other's past. What glory can spill on him when he comes after the glorious days. He can neither claim blood lineage to the great scholars of Islam nor of the prophets. He was just an ordinary Muslims where there is no qualification to work for to become a member, though he claimed to work hard as PM. That might be true to justify the mileage used for the need of the new jetliner.
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written by usurper, February 08, 2008 21:58:48
Dear RPK,
While there is no future in the past, I believe that there should not be any past in the future. Simply, I mean that all things Muslim, Chritian, Hindu, Jew or Parsi, should only be kept within the confines of ones belief and not to manifest as an imposition or seduction for the other. If I like my 10 year old underwear with many holes in it, I will wear it but I will not impose it on you to do the same. There is very little relevance in the propoundments of the victors in the past, as GOD or the qualities of the creator is within us. The truth is very easy to see but most do the cover-up just because of immediate gains. There is no need to be a Muslim , Hindu, Buddhist, Christian or Jew. We are all chldren of the Creator and carry within us the inheritance of GOD's Will. We all know what is truth and false, only many a times we close one eye to quickly reap the benefit. We are morally corrupt and the and fight against the forces of coruption would put us all back to the high grounds of morality.... the begining of a new age of quality human existence based on truth. Meanwhile religion is like my 10 year old underwear, I like so I wear it. It is also available for some who want to be followers!
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written by densemy, February 08, 2008 22:15:23
Replicas,replicas, replicas... cant Malaysia do anything of its own. Inspiration is dead under the present regime

Fifty years ago you had a perfectly good working replica of the British Education System, but like everything else you let it run down and decay. Then you killed it off completely by government intervention

The chances of another Golden Era of Islam is about as likely as Malaysia becoming a real space age nation... you cant buy greatness nor can you copy it
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written by Flex Tan, February 08, 2008 22:42:53
Loh,

YOU ARE RIGHT IN NOTICING AAB'S PROPAGANDA TOOL (WITH THE POWER HE HAS BEEN GIVEN)....

SIMILARLY, RPK DISAGREEMENT WITH AAB'S SPENDTHRIFT ATTITUDE (OF A CHILD)..... AS IF TOMMOROW NEVER END.

MY SIMPLE CONCERN IS HOW CAN WE WATCH SUCH WASTEFUL BEHAVIOUR, WITHOUT SAYING SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG SOMEWHERE; "THE VALUES" BN IS TRYING TO PROPAGATE ....


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written by uneminent, February 08, 2008 23:03:31
Paklah says, RM250million was spent for the project..
but 'insiders' say RM800 million.
there was no auditor and no transparent paperwork.
heck, there maybe no paperwork at all.
Patrick Lim is laughing his way to the bank now...
RPK,
care for a dig?
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written by Panca Indera, February 09, 2008 00:29:35
Open letter to our Dear PM AAB: (quotes from theSTAR)
>>I work hard to fulfil duties
>>Abdullah said as a Muslim, he had an obligation to fulfil his responsibility.
>>"It is God's will that I become the Prime Minister of Malaysia and I am very conscious that I have to serve the people although I personally do not benefit even one sen because of this,''
he said. “’
I just love the ways Politicians misconstrued statements coming out from their mouth! using God as an excuse for their wrong doings .
To say its God’s Will that he become PM, implied he had God’s permission, otherwise God will not allow AAP to be PM, right?
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
What “God’s Will” means here is God is allowing man (every free and independent adult) to act according to the Concept of Free Will i.e. to act stupid or intelligent. It DOES NOT means God is condoning AAB actions.
AAB should not abuse his position to make unqualified statements to confuse. The non-Muslims and Muslims with little understanding will use this statement to justify that:
1.Islam is the religion of the corrupted.
2.Muslim leaders whether corrupted or not are sanctioned God and therefore should not be Challenged.
If he is fulfilling his obligation, there would not be any corruption or mismanagement in his government after all these time.

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written by bn haramjadah, February 09, 2008 01:52:32
The problem with these arab wannabees they forget their own adat istiadat hey since when the malays wore turbans, the malays have their own headgear not turbans, I remember during my primary school days my malay classmates bullying a sikh boy by pulling his kondek and chanting kechik2 bola hoki sudah besar bola rugby, or ada misai ada jangut subrader singh,GUESS WHAT WHO ARE THE MISAI'S AND JANGUTS TODAY. than came the advent of hindi movies and D.J. DAVE and all of a sudden all the malay girls fell in love with our sikh friends, they didn't mind they were getting even, fump and dump than the ladies started dressing like sikh women, than malay songs started sounding like hindi music and if you notice even till today its still there,THAN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANT TO BE LIKE ARABS, which is still going on till today, see this video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...resting,
I have come to the conclusion that the malays actually don't have a CULTURE, THEY ACTUALLY ARE CULTURALLY LOST, why well with the recent demonstrations in indonesia as per regarding the cultural dances performed in japan and claimEd to be Malaysian cultural heritage actually belonged to the Indons, Take Wayang Kulit, what are the stories behind this and why were they Banned,Well the stories told were Ramayana and mahabharata, Like Mahathir said 'MELAYU SENANG LUPA" or pandai lupa or something to that affect, well anyway, ASK ANY MUSLIM WHO GOES TO SAUDI ARABIA FOR UMRAH OR HAJ, THE SAUDIS threat malaysians like africans, they look down on Malaysians, ask any haji, or hajja, Well it all boils down to insecurity and sense of being lost , they are neither here nor there, I asked my dubai Prince(royal family) boss when he came to Malaysia for business and he called them hypocrates, trying to out ARAB THE ARABS, Thats why you have them waving their puny manhoods ops keris (notice the chinese, indian, sikh, arab SWORDS ARE HUGE) ITS LIKE BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT, and before I forget even their Malay wariors might actually turn out to be chinese! hang Ye bat, hang Tu AAH, PARAMmeswara, so what do you get, qube worshippers becoming zombies (tojo) So the final line on my thesis is have pity on them they are lost, don't vote for them (Alah 50 YEARS cukup lah) let them migrate to aussie LAND AND NEXT YOU SEE THEM CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE THE PRIBUMI OF THE ori-bumi (aborogine) of Australia, well with them anything possible (dia olang sesat LAH) perfact e.g. our very own mahaguru sesat, and his khinzir neo nazi friend from APPIT.
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written by bn haramjadah, February 09, 2008 02:14:43
densemy,said " Replicas,replicas, replicas... cant Malaysia do anything of its own. Inspiration is dead under the present regime "
well they do....remember longest loti chanai, largest flag, longest tokok by ala kazam to al'jezeera", teh tarik/ main gasing astronaut, longest poster that wasn't, you see they did all the longest, tallest, deepest hole digging(anwar), by the time mahathir pass the baton to AAB no more ideas, so he comes out with HADHARI, PROBLEM on paper it looked like a good idea, but in implementation became another story, do you think he wants non halal pig eater kafirs(no disrespect to moorthy's wife & family), buried next to holy muslims, problem is the morons below, YES THE MORONS FROM THESE JABAN AGAMAS ran away with it, and once he has let this shit out of his mouth and it has stank up everything, he can't put the shit back, he has already shat, and hey they have eaten it smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif, they think they have card blanche to do as they wish, so he tries hard to do other things, but he is so stupid or unlucky or sleepy, everything he touches turns to SHIT, so WITH that BN IS UP SHIT CREEK smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif
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written by Daryl, February 09, 2008 03:49:59
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“The future will be better if you work within the system and not against it,” he said this morning when opening a one-day MIC special convention for branch chairperson at the Putra World Trade Centre.
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After 50 years of independence our leaders still threaten rakyat. BN leaders please go back home and do some homework on how to be a good leader and maybe a little bit later a good politician (not that I believe ther is any).
BA - this is a threat you have to highlight and bring to the next level. We rakyat cannot be threathen bluntly. You suppose to work for us not threaten us.
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written by sheppardlight, February 09, 2008 03:58:40
Dear RPK, you wrote

"Therefore, be a good follower of God and fight the corrupt and oppressive system. Don’t try to work within the system. You cannot change the system by working within the system. The system, in fact, will change you instead. Only by fighting against this system can the system be changed. This is what God commanded. And this is what Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad did.
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Yes, I would agree, work against the system. But as i see itthey are still working in the systems of the ruling government.Therefore they will never win.

All the four prophets as you said, worked against the system by the order of God. Of course, i think as they were Prophets of the ‘religions of the book’
they were guided by the book. And we are suppose to do the same.

Now which book are we and the oppositions are guided with?

I have yet to come across any of them telling or guiding us using totally any of the religous book as a guidance in this context of changing the system. There is definately some answers in the book to guide us how? I believe the books have not been used as the main guidance and strategy to win over this system.

Ok, PAS? Are they doing it right? Will they be able to strategise based from the Quran? I still dont see the light from them. Have they been able to make many to believe the Quran as the point of reference to the system? Even many among them have never really read the book to understand it well. How can you convince the non believers? Thats what all the prophets were said to be doing right? Before you implement, you will have to be a believer, and before that you will have to understand what you believe. Even amongst the so called ulamak who are supposed to be the "pewaris" have never really agreed with a common understanding. Or are they the actual ulamaks?

I still see that the oppositions are working within the system. The fact that they themselves are never united, and they still have the same problems as the rulling system.
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written by sheppardlight, February 09, 2008 04:16:57
Flex Tan, wrote
" Muslims lack proper education. Muslim education is based on folklore, superstition and wishful thinking...... MUSLIM'S FAITH IN THEIR GOD HAS ALSO BEEN CONFUSED BY HUMAN GREED.

SOCIALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY ....... THEY ARE REALLY CONFUSED PEOPLE.

WHAT HAS UMNO DONE TO THEIR BRAINS .... ???? OH GOD ....
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Fex Tan, I agree with you. Just to add. The christians, buddhist, hindus are the same, socially and religously, and they are really confused too. What has happen? What about you? Which religion are you?
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written by Semuaok, February 09, 2008 06:03:34
Anwar do you know how much confidence the old man have on you? He is helping/challenging you that you can't finish off our PM. Knowing so well you hate him & he could go to jail and yet help you. And you piece of shit do not have a clue and sense of direction on what you need to do. The old man is waiting for you to help him finish off our PM. The old man can sense it while in the hospital. You make him do the impossible, going against UMNO himself. So much for vote of confidence in your f**kup strategy.
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written by Semuaok, February 09, 2008 06:34:44
Anwar you are no match versus the old man. He will fry you like goreng pisang. He is showing you how to win. You can't beat Badawi if UMNO is strong. You can't win when UMNO is strong. The old man know it, why can't you. There are a total of 219 seats. UMNO win 109. Why fight every seats when all you need is 55 seats. Isn't it a lot easier. Believe me the old man will help you finish off our PM even if you win 10-15 seats.
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written by Semuaok, February 09, 2008 07:22:58
RPK here is something for you http://youtube.com/watch?v=GPQr-f8YeOk She is amazing, cute & great, great voice. Pay attention to the lyric as well.
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written by sampalee, February 09, 2008 10:43:43
Our combined number one and two is no match for RPK.This is the type of leaders you get with the present so called democratic secular system.The proof of the pie is in the eating.The fact is it is actaully a good idea if the rakyat can make RPK a Calyph and do away with the silly election which waste millions of ringgit and we get leaderes that are best left in the zoo where they belong.Hidup RPK.
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written by educationist, February 09, 2008 10:55:46
Yes, there's no future in the past but many a lesson if learnt and then corrective action taken will surely improve the present. Najib will of course want the rakyat to work within the system for it means the BN can continue with their cronyism and abuses. Even if RM250 million is a large amount which could have benefitted many poor families in Trengganu, let's give them some credit in the sense that it's an economic project & will bring in some tourists ringgit
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written by harrbm, February 09, 2008 11:08:54

What a joke ! RM250 MILLION ?!!! FOR PAST GLORY?!!!

Why not for future glory?

I think, the RM 250 million would better be used to reward Malaysians for their life efforts or creations for a better Malaysia for Malaysians and the world. Something like the NOBLE Prize. Something for the future. Something all Malaysian can participate. Let all Malaysian study the book and reveal soem of its useful secrets for today.


As for Islam, keep an ongoing educations for all Malaysians about Islam the religion, Islam the way of life, Islam the science of life but not Islam for Malaysian Politics.

how?




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written by Panca Indera, February 09, 2008 11:12:33
Sorry People,Slight diversion from topic
From Usurper
>>Meanwhile religion is like my 10 year old underwear, I like so I wear it. It is also available for some who want to be followers!
Kah! Kah! Kah! Kah! Kah! Kah! Kah!................bring tears to my eyes, kah!kah!…..
>>If I like my 10 year old underwear with many holes in it, I will wear it but I will not impose it on you to do the same.
He! he! He!he! he! He! He! He!..................The best analogy on religion I have ever heard,
Ho1 ho! Ho!............

By the way, what brand is your underwear and has it got elastic band?
Or is it Sendiri bikin with nylon cord to hold it up?
You’re the Man! LOL (Very funny…..)
It does not matter if it was intended or un-intended, it is still very funny to me.
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written by Raymond, February 09, 2008 11:39:24
In 5 years the park will be baldly kept with rusty steelworks, peeling paints, untended gardens, broekn and chipped cement pavements & walls, and a whole lot of un-sightly mess. It will be planned for 250 mil, but costs about 400 mil to build. IT will take over 20 mil a year to upkeep the mess which will not help as none of it will be spent on the park. The company given the contract will have it's boss building a palace for himself (he must as he is likely the UMNO candidate). The park will have about 30 visitors a day if it's lucky.. maybe 100 in the weekends, but the numbers will be fudged to say "thousands of visitors" abound of "Malaysia Islamic Wonderland", and in 5 years nobody will remember it.
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written by Raymond, February 09, 2008 11:44:54
Try playing Sid Meirs - Civilization... Not many Islamic achivements for the latter progress of the game... guess religious indoctrination does not equal to civilations progress. That is why "developed" nations does not play the religion card.
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written by Admiral Tojo, February 09, 2008 12:59:40
To find out what Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the Prophet who received Quran actually did,

www.aididsafar.com

Let the failures of the past be a lesson for the future.

Shalom
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written by SUV, February 09, 2008 13:39:28
SALUTE RAJA PETRA!!!!
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written by SUV, February 09, 2008 13:41:12
btw pete,the concept of zero came frm india...indian maths geeks introduced it arab maths whizz smilies/grin.gif
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written by SUV, February 09, 2008 13:56:03
yes.. the prophets,avatars,messengers of gods,men of genius were all rebels...with a cause..

here in malaysia ,its very clear dat BERSIH,PAS,PKR..r in harmony with the supreme architect's blue prints..dats why they face enormous difficulties..on the other hand,UMNO& its lap dogs,MIC,Gerakan,MCA,DAP,cukang cacing bizmen and yes,even HINDRAF..r rooted in the past,n ruled by falsehood..not surprisingly these entities r afflicted,"looseh",greedy,"my race/dharma/religion rulez",violent,no harmony,and materialists..

October 11, 1969

(Mother first translates into French the messages she gave to Indira, in particular: "The value of the man is more important than the party to which he belongs .... The greatness of a country does not depend on the victory of a party, but on the union of all the parties.


Do you know that there's a passage from Sri Aurobindo that says exactly the same thing? ....

Really!


I wondered if we couldn't publish it too: "Men of free minds and free habits are too strong of soul to be the slaves of their party feelings and too robust of mind to submit to any demand for the sacrifice of their principles on the altar of expediency. It is only in a servile nation unaccustomed to the habits of freemen that party becomes a master and not an instrument.

This is fine! Where was it?


In an article entitled, "Party and the Country," in 1908. [[In Bande Mataram of 24 April 1908 (Cent. Ed., 1.875). ]]


Oh, long before I met him. That was when he wrote in newspapers ....


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written by SUV, February 09, 2008 14:07:03
note:indira is indira gandhi

there is one more person,a very important one who has arrived at the right moment..gee i hope he can take a decisive action for our country smilies/grin.gif
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written by bushfire, February 09, 2008 18:16:48
As with every religion and race, there are bad apples. These people use race and religion to further their own agenda.But the acts of these people do not make the whole barrel bad. I do not think that a blanket bashing of race or religion serves our goals. We are fighting to be known as 'Malaysian' irrespective of our race or religion. Working together to weed out the bad ones should be our common goal. We must stay focussed. So come on ppl. Let's not be so insensitive as to bash any particular race or religion. It makes us no better that those we seek to replace. Let's be objective and vote with our heads in the coming GE.
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written by oct, February 09, 2008 18:38:35
Today we have a report on an uncompleted bridge collapsed. It was only 2-3 months ago that a building collapsed. The bridge costs about RM200K. Everything is collapsing in Malaysia. It is scary that we can't trust our architect, engineer and contractor to do a good job. What is next to collapse?
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written by Rhan, February 09, 2008 20:36:16
While the people and labour walk on the street and some even walk all the way from JB to KL and many detain under ISA, the so call rebel of today is either sewing a love story with the corrupted collision or still fantasies of the greatness of their tuan and religion.

Now comprehend a bit of rights start to call themselves rebellious and start to look down on others, the comical part is after losing a few elections start to climb back and cry for ma ma and pa pa. Cheh! malukan bangsa saja.
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written by sydput, February 10, 2008 01:47:56
be an independent candidate for titiwangsa RPK. I will be there to vote for you.
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written by Semuaok, February 10, 2008 01:50:01
1)Parti Keadilan Nasional, which had a disastrous outing in the just-concluded 2004 general election, has blamed PAS for the opposition’s massive defeats in the polls.

2)Another reason for the opposition’s poor showing, he added, was the lack of unity among the parties, especially after DAP left the opposition coalition.

PKR reason: Johor Keadilan chief Abdul Razak Ahmad a stalwart said PAS and DAP must reassess themselves in order to be more acceptable to the rakyat. They failed to see that Malaysia is a multi-racial country and they would frighten people

My reason:

1)PAS lost because PKR were unable/fail to bring them the moderate Malay & Chinese vote for the 2nd time around.
2)Not all opposition lost in fact DAP gain a few more seats. The Chinese see PKR as a greedy lot and when back to their root and refuse to vote for PKR. They stay home and watch Shanghai Beach starring Chow Yuen Fatt instead of voting for this greedy PKR. This is why DAP pull out of BA.
3)Voter are smarter now. Reformasi is for you what is in there for us????? When are you going to focus on us, the voter. In other word “REFORMASI MY ASS”.
4)When you fight for DAP & PAS seats, knowing that this is a multi-racial country (your own word). Did you realize your actions in these DAP & PAS seats can haunt you in other seats, like you said in Johore moderate Malay seats.

PKR/Anwar stop blaming other for your own failure. You lost because you where fighting for easy opposition seats, hurting not only yourself but also other. You do not know how to brand yourself toward moderate Malay. This group of Malay need Chinese and Chinese need moderate Malay. You need to focusing on this moderate Malay and also remember this group of Malay need Chinese. So you can’t hurt both of them.

Bloody hell Anwar I don’t know why I’m trying to help you greedy mother f**ker. I know I’m going to regret this when you grow up.
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written by anak kenyalang, February 10, 2008 13:43:01
Re Islam Hadhari...or whatever you want to call it...Christianity, Jews/Zionist, Islam...and this is my view on the above said religions, as explained succinctly by John Dawkins "one man delusion is call madness...mass delusion is call religion".


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written by Semuaok, February 10, 2008 20:48:17
Malaysiakini used “PKR members” in its heading. For all intents and purposes, Guan Eng was ****ed off by some middle ranking PKR leaders. The complete lack of respect shown by PKR towards DAP when one of the former’s vice-presidents announced that the party will be contesting for the Ipoh Timor parliamentary seat. The Ipoh Timor seat is held by Lim’s father, DAP supremo and Opposition Leader Lim Kit Siang.

Anwar, how do you think the Chinese feel in those seats and other? Where do you think the Chinese voter go? Penang is DAP targeted state. What do your feel if DAP also fill in a candidate in Permatang Pauh parliamentary seat? Remember EC have to do recount for 5 times in 2004. You would have nothing I repeat nothing to show.

Anwar do not believe DAP hate PAS and vice versa. DAP & PAS will at time go against each other. You need to understand where they are coming from. You have to stop reading Utusan Melayu, New Strait Times, The Star & etc. (Read RPK The Throw of Dice). Anwar you need to, have to grow up now or you and KPR will be finished this coming election.
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written by Semuaok, February 10, 2008 20:50:32
Dear RPK I'm sorry I mean PKR will be finish.
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written by ahmadbadrul40, February 10, 2008 21:42:59
Najib,

It is already known that you and your father is the father of all Malay racist. Your father brought back Dr.M into the party, because he knows that Mahathir is the king of all racist. And with DR.M, the Malays has become the most backward race in the history of Asia. And now you Najib fark head, is the king of racist mother farker.
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written by Panca Indera, February 10, 2008 22:07:05
Salam to All,
I’ll be blunt as I can>
As long as we Malaysians see ourselves as Chinese, Indians and Malays first and not Malaysians and as along as we go to Chinese, Indian, Malay schools and not National schools and as long as we segregate ourselves whenever we can, The Dive and rule policy will continue to be used and work.
As long as political partical are based on Ethnic lines, UMNO,MCA,DAP,MIC, PAS(most malays are Muslims). Malaysia will continue to live on the edge of racial conflicts.
The way I see it got three choices.
1.To Genuinely compromise work together and be united as one regardless of background to work toward unity.
2.To fight it out until one dominate the rest.
3.To leave the system as it is wait for until it gets out of hand and explode.

So who is ready to kick start the movement of respecting and working together for the benefit of all Malaysians, instead of pointing finger and screwing each other up.

One Thing for sure, When the bullets starts flying, it’s the poor, weak and innocent will be suffer the most. The Rich and wealthy has already stashed their monies safely overseas and they will be the first leave or they can pay for their protections.
Seen it all on May13th 1969 in Ampang, kampong bharu, Kampung Kerinchi, Datok Keramat, Chow Kit road.

So people is that what the future generation of Malaysians can look forward for. Or we want to change for the better.
The choir is ours to make. WE are given Intelligent and conscience not for destructive motives but for constructive goals. Use it!

Vote the Opposition for the change instead of living in fear and being blackmailed by the bullying BN.

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written by Semuaok, February 11, 2008 00:34:49
Bloody hell Anwar/PKR Chinese all I hear everyday is you continue to fight with DAP for Chinese seats. You greedy bastard when are you going to grow up. Why are you making those Chinese in the moderate Malay seat hate you. Give it to DAP (which I think they can do a better job). These are all BN/MCA seats not your. You have nothing to loose. You need to look for win win strategy with DAP. If both side is adamant and no solution is insight, offer DAP candidate to run on your PKR platform and vice versa. The candidate who agree to this should have the seats. And let see how the Chinese return the favor not only on that seat, also other seats.
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written by Semuaok, February 11, 2008 00:55:22
Anwar you need to force this PKR Chinese to work together. They are all ex DAP, they hate DAP like their ex wife. Chinese hate them. Chinese believe they are "running dog". Chinese will not vote for them. There is no use putting PKR Chinese candidates in any Chinese seats where the Chinese voter hate them. Do you understand. Opposition will stand a better chance if you offer to DAP candidate to run on your platform, and vice versa if there is a Malay majority. Remember win win. If both of you can leave your ego & greed a side. We might be able to see a better understand between both of you. Let start to make sense and start giving instead of fighting. Anwar you need to focus all your resources on UMNO seats that can make a different. You know you can't fight all the seats effectively. We are waiting for you to grow up
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written by sheppardlight, February 11, 2008 04:37:18
Semuaok, Bugger you, you should be together with PKR strategising for this coming election and consulting Anwar there. By the way, are you contesting anywhere? Will vote you. man.
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written by NancyL, February 11, 2008 08:22:05
Hi RPK,
Yes as a muslim when we think of what they had contributed to the world of science now...it was amazing....just imagine from the simple lab test that we did in school....the test of bouyancy....i.e the speed of fallen object in a test tube of water ...was created by muslim...and the 5 sense that we learnt ..i.e touch,smell,sight,taste & hear...that also from muslim...even the very early muslims scholars were talking about what happen if in the future where half pig and half human exist....they were discussing about the validity of their wudu'...that is amazing isn't thinking how advanced we were and how smart we were that time...MASYAALLAH....but now we are the lowest of the low in this modern world.....Yes I agree with Badawi to make a place for muslims to study but I too disagree of the money he spent on the unecessary aesthetic values of it.....but again thinking maybe the replicas that were done didnt take much of the 250 million!!!.....alhambra palace...was a grand palace...if you enter it...every corner of the building remind you of Allah....even in one section of the hall....the architectural design was so alluring that even non muslims were dazzled by it....BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS PEOPLE WHO HAD LIVED THERE?!!!!....That's the past we must learned from...but BADAWI stupidly couldn't understand it!....All the luxuries all the reminders of Allah....all the miracle of Allah is useless....if you are greedy!!!!....that's what happened to these people who once lived there....and now history repeats itself!!!...do you know that the arabs put their money and properties in USA of about 1 trillion dollars!!!!..but with that power did they do anything to help Iraq or Palestine? or Afghanistan ...no....as long as americans gave nice cars and pussies...they feel they are on top of the world!!!!....same as what happened in Malaysia...first thing Badawi did once in OFFICE....he made his family millionaires .... he forget his real duty to his people...that Allah has bestowed onto him...WELL HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF!!!!
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written by NancyL, February 11, 2008 08:34:27
Just want to add comment on what dragonheart said on 8th feb...."Just like the twin Tower (KLCC).. the building belong to Petronas but the land (and the maxis tower attached to the KLCC)"

Well I dont really know about the Anand thing....but you cant compare KLCC with the replicas that were recently built....I know this sound absurd and funny....but if you live in a white men world who are proud people and think they are the smartest and think that asians are from the jungle....well...KLCC and KLIA help alot!!!! ...you can just tell them....Malaysia is better than any of your countries ....you have that pride in you....and this my dear Dragonheart....even money cannot buy.....you have dignity....you dont feel embarass of yourself becus you know you have what they have infact better!!...
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written by Semuaok, February 11, 2008 08:35:44
Dear Sheppardlight, would you work with a group of idiots. Who when from 5 seats to 1 seat and going toward extinction this coming election. And act like they are still in control & the opposition (DAP & PAS) own them a living. I have never come across a group of rocket scientist who is so good at chasing alway voters and then have the nerve to blame other on their failure.
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written by Semuaok, February 11, 2008 09:09:52
PAS always treat Anwar as one of their favorite son. And therefore allow this idiot to be a little naughty & give in to this greedy bastard, hoping that he can bring them the moderate Malay vote that they so needed. DAP was hoping this stupid fool could help them get out of this predicament(Chinese seat only) and eventually merge with them. Not only this fool can't deliver instead this stupid fool start to rascal their seats, using exDAP candidate. Anwar, DAP & Chinese voters are not that stupid like you believe. DAP & Chinese have never consider you a son, let alone their father or leader. Chinese treat DAP like their only family & MCA their business partner. This is how they going to vote. Chinese voters are looking at how you treat DAP as how you would treat their family. You not going to win beating up their family.
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written by Visinic, February 11, 2008 09:25:35
From The Star 11/2

Henna-tattoo trend worries religious experts

SEVERAL religious and cultural experts have voiced their concern over the growing trend among Muslims of using henna to “tattoo” their bodies, saying this is forbidden in Islam, although the use of henna is permitted by the religion.

Mingguan Malaysia interviewed experts who said the act of “painting” one’s body was wrong, particularly if the “tattoos” depicted animals or humans.

Perlis Mufti Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin said the practice, which was a current craze among young Malays, mimicked unhealthy western culture, adding that since tattooing was prohibited by the religion, they resorted to using henna to paint their bodies.

“Even the use of the longer-lasting henna is prohibited because henna is only supposed to last for a short period of time. This trend certainly does not reflect Malay or Islamic culture,” said Dr Asri.

Cultural expert Prof Dr Siti Zainun Ismail said the use of henna freely today was an abuse of culture.




Come on laa....u all have nothing better to do ah...?
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written by grant, February 11, 2008 09:29:21
there is this joke... Civic in the 1980s was a 2-door rounded shape. More of a rounded hatch back mini. Year 2008 we see an aerodynamic Civic, beautiful at the exterior and so does the interior with additional gadgets u wudnt be able to find in the 80s.

Proton Saga, its 1st model 20 years ago is the same with the latest model 20 years later (now). Speaking of invention, creativity and innovation, wtf??? There is nothing wrong with Islam, everything is wrong only in Bodohland! Easily complacent and bodoh-sombong. The day will come again when Proton will go on their knees to beg for VW for a joint partnership!
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written by grant, February 11, 2008 09:36:58
Has anyone read Aliran of late? Well for the benefit of everyone, the 2004 elections saw BN winning a handsome margin of votes and also seats (parliamentary and state both combined).

I may dedicate this to everyone. No hard feelings but the statistic showed that BN won because of a swing of Malay votes. While the Chinese had swayed to the opposition.. I might get my numbers wrong, but if anyone read Aliran or still clearly remembers the numbers vividly do correct me.

In the 1999 election, total of 20 over percent of Malay and Chinese voters voted for BN respectively. In the 2004 election though, only 14 percent (or less) of Chinese voters voted for BN. U do the math urself for the rest of it! The Malay voters who swayed to vote for BN amounted to a mere 40 percent of them as opposed to only 20 percent in 1999.

Many will say that then, AAB was given the vote of confidence as he had just embarked on the premier role. I agree. No disagreement to that. This round, let's see for ourselves.

The math is simple. Ths round we need only 20% Chinese, 20% Malay and definitely the Hindraf supporters plus DLL (dan lain lain) enought to dent BN's 2/3 majority.
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written by astina, February 11, 2008 10:21:33
YM RPK sir...actually all the kampung folks need the RM250 million replicas to understand islam ada had ada hari.
Come election day these are the group who will put the BN back in power.
All the unIslamic practises will flourish once again ..
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written by alan cheong, February 11, 2008 10:23:44
almost all muslims CHOOSE to remain in their rut, they and their descendant generations - those not by choice are forced/unduly coerced.

and barisan nasional continues to make good use of this unspeakably inherent herd mentality, cultivated and propagated throughout the ages, in their hearts AND minds: religion for political gain.

lemmings come to mind ... don't they?
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written by malgal, February 11, 2008 12:21:56
Symbols, Icons, Monuments ! Not forgetting our Angkasawan who got a ticket to ride by blasting a hole in our treasuries. How exactly has that one moment in time brought medical research and cures for cancers in gravity-less environment progress our learning?
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written by archie, February 11, 2008 13:51:10
In a three-corner fight between DAP/PKR/BN, most Chinese votes will go to DAP.
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written by cruzeiro, February 11, 2008 17:48:46
NancyL wrote:
..... how advanced we were and how smart we were that time...

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Get over it, and stop thinking of them as WE - think of them as scientists - "grow up" and move on in the sciences, instead if glorifying the era of victory over the Byzantine leftovers, with replicas and pride over nothing. Stop thinking Islam this, Islam that.

"WE" can then be great as innovators & scientists once again ....
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written by Sagaladoola, February 11, 2008 22:08:15
Hadhari, what is that? Building replicas of Greatness kar? Hehehe, what about Corruption Pak Lah?
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written by NancyL, February 12, 2008 00:24:56
Cruzeiro.....
I didnt glorify instead I said..."history repeats itself"!!!!...unfortunately the bad history not the good one!!!....AND I DO "GROW UP"....just because I talk about the good history you started to get irritated...but if I talk of the arabs history with their swords you will said muslims "ARE" BARBARIC.....EVENTHOUGH THATS IN history....you will definitely not said....hey that was hundreds years ago...."GROW UP"!!!.....but one thing you are right...WE CAN BE GREAT INNNOVATORS AND SCIENTISTS BETTER THEN THE PAST..... smilies/grin.gif
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written by cruzeiro, February 12, 2008 09:52:32
....just because I talk about the good history you started to get irritated...
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NancyL,
By what you said, you imply that I was irritated that you mentioned an Islam with a "glorious past", and would've relished hearing of their barbaric history instead.
You're sadly mistaken, friend.
I have no problems with scientific discoveries - be they from Arabs, Africans, Alaskans, Japanese, Pagans, Jew, Christian or Muslim. I give them all due credit.

What I was referring to, was that you identify them (the innovators) as Muslims - and not scientists. It only shows lack of regard for the sciences.
And just becos you think they were practicing Muslims (which you have no way of knowing), you identify yourself with "them" by using "WE".
What you need to understand is that that was "them", and you are "you".

The religion was only a political tool for conquest - not the sciences.
If the religion was a tool for scientific innovation, theocracies would today rule the world. But that is not the case.
Theocracies, Muslim or Christian or whatever else, with their deep-rooted tradition of superstitions (as in the recent pronouncement that lack of rain in Arabia is due to "sins", just as during the "holy roman empire") is the bane of scientific progress.

The Europeans (aka Christians cultures) progressed once again, when they opened their eyes to this fact during the "enlightenment". They never attribute their scientific progress foolishly to "their religion".
I fail to understand why Muslims insist on doing so, by referring to post-Byzantine innovations as Islamic.

It was simply Scientific - Period.
Until a people understand this fact, there is no way that they will progress.
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written by cruzeiro, February 12, 2008 14:56:28
Religious Politics - Seeds of Fascism?
http://cruzinthots.********.co...scism.html
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written by Commonsenses, February 12, 2008 15:04:15
Rpk, To my observation, in recent times islam as practised in malaysia is more on form over subtance. Speech by not only abdullah, but by najib lamenting over Pas not building mosques in kelantan and etc. Seems like building more mosques projects would bring back the glory of past civilisation or is it for the crony to make money out of the mosques constructions.
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written by megahyper, February 12, 2008 16:30:26
Go look at those replicas after 10 years or 20 (if they are still there).

You will realise the greatness of Islam and Malay.
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written by Semuaok, February 12, 2008 19:23:30
Can you all f**king leave you religion at home. F**koff
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written by sheppardlight, February 13, 2008 06:43:20
Dear Semuaok,why you so like that one? This is a free country maa! Can a litle more polite ahh? ...Oo never mind, you are a Malaysian right? Like me also, like to comment people being so rude la, corruption la, not transparent la and many more. But we also like them? How nice!
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written by grant, February 13, 2008 08:40:30
semuaok is hving his mthly period i guess... he is pissed... he must be a Muslim extremist or a Jewish suicide bomber .. oops sorry.. i mean a Tamil Tiger suicide bomber... or perhaps a Chinese drug smuggler!

Talk a bit of religion like monyet kena belacan.. FO la!
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written by yusuf m, February 13, 2008 10:42:08
>>written by Admiral Tojo, February 09, 2008 | 12:59:40

To find out what Abraham, Moses, Jesus and the Prophet who received Quran actually did,

www.aididsafar.com

None too subtle this time, eh tojo? That's right, uphold your commitment to your murshidul am, and keep it pure (arse).
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written by Admiral Tojo, February 13, 2008 11:57:02
Yusuf M,
No need to be subtle anymore. People already know globally now what the Pagan Arab Religion of Stone worship is all about. Still worshipping Stones, Directions and Prophet Yusuf m

Worship away till oblivion and yes do keep your arse clean.
Dah pegi sembah batu, pegi.

Salaam/Shalom/Peace
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written by AhSeng, February 14, 2008 08:18:04
"The time has come for us to walk the talk. The time is now because we are marching into battle with little resources. We need your financial assistance to help force changes to a system that continues to repulse and insult us after 50 years of independence.

I had intended to put up the appeal for support for DAP Election Fund together with support for a Fund for the Foundation for Justice, Freedom and Equality to promote the betterment of Malaysian society, including public litigation, publications, educational programmes as well as outreach to marginalised Malaysians, but the latter project will now have to wait until after the 12th general election.

Let us unite with single-minded objective - to turn the 12th general election into the electoral battle of the century to initiate meaningful change in Malaysia, first time in the nation’s 50-year history. For this we need your generous support for the DAP Election Fund." Lim Kit Siang

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2008/02/13/time-to-walk-the-talk/
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written by grant, February 14, 2008 16:09:13
I go and visit to all holy places just in case u didnt know Semuaok... I go to the mosque but obviously I cant pray. I go to the Kuil, Temple and Church. I pay my respects because each and everyone is driven and guided by their own religion. But there is still only 1 God. If u are writing for a purpose to counter and to shoot only by all means u can go ahead but u will just be an empty barrel. Let me tell u 1 thing. Even before RPK wrote an article about religion dividing us, this fact of a matter was already established 90 over yrs ago. And 1 of them was Jiddu Krishnamurthi. Knowledge comes from reading and mixing with ppl. Dont write and turn out to be portraying like one of the UMNO farks. U get nowhere!
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written by reign, February 15, 2008 14:14:56
written by Panca Indera, February 10, 2008 | 22:07:05

Salam to All,
I’ll be blunt as I can>
As long as we Malaysians see ourselves as Chinese, Indians and Malays first and not Malaysians and as along as we go to Chinese, Indian, Malay schools and not National schools and as long as we segregate ourselves whenever we can, The Dive and rule policy will continue to be used and work.


I do not see myself based on my ethicity and my child is also brought up like that and we can only speak in English and Malay, where ever we go we say we are MALAYSIANS first then followed by our parentage but I will never ever send my child to a NATIONAL SCHOOL. I dont want my child to be in a racist school that will discredit her based on her skintone. No matter what anyone says I know for a fact being a non-BUMI in a national is like a curse, and I am not willing to sacrifice my child to that situation.


I am a single parent and my child goes to a private school, sometimes it's hard to make ends meet but I push all limits to ensure fees are paid and if it means only 1 meal for me so it will be. I dont care what 'smart school' crapshit the Education Minister can come up with but I will not submit to racism and I will make sure that my child will not grow up to discrminate others based on their skintone. that is one bladdy hard task to take on given the current situation but I will ensure that will be done before my last breath on this world.

I am not suprised that there is an increase of 30% intake in Tamil. and I dont have to go further to explain why it has increased. we are all smart enough to know the reason.


I attended a national school and til today my best friend of 28 years is the same Muslim girl. Race or religion back then didn't matter to us but today it's all different issue.

REign

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written by panca, February 16, 2008 03:29:29
Umno is Barisan Nasional, Barisan Nasional is Umno.

This is all about them, the ruling gomen, who is responsible for your unhappiness vice versa?
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written by aykf9439, February 19, 2008 20:15:17
The Moron PM just dun understands the value of RM 250 millions , right ???

Spending on REPLICAs , my goodness !!!! This nation is heading to doomed dy with this joker at helm !!!
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written by HJ Angus, February 19, 2008 23:15:04
Building replicas of ancient monuments for such vast sums is sinful when we neglect building our human capital.

One can really learn a lot about human frailties by visiting places like Angkor Wat where really huge temple complexes were built by egotistic rulers and then destroyed by conquering armies.
www.malaysiawatch3.********.com/2008/02/lessons-from-cambodia.html
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