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Wednesday, 06 February 2008 12:44

Today, we have sent copies of THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION in both English and Bahasa Malaysia to all the 20 or so political parties that will be contesting the coming general election. It is up to them whether to reject or accept what we have demanded. But if they choose to reject it then they would have to explain why because our demands are legitimate and very credible.

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Raja Petra Kamarudin

It is now official. The Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS) will be contesting only 60 Parliament seats. Malaysia Today has been saying this for some time now but it appears this figure of 60 is not of much significance to most readers who have chosen to remain emotional about the Islamic State issue even before they start reading what we have to say.

Let us see if the anti-Islam crowd continues to whack PAS. PAS is contesting only 60 out of 222 seats. But PAS will need to win at least 149 seats to command a two-thirds majority in Parliament. Only with this two-thirds majority or 149 seats can PAS amend the Federal Constitution of Malaysia and turn Malaysia into an Islamic State.

In the first place, can PAS even win all the 60 seats it is contesting? At best, it can win only 45 seats. Chances are, though, it will be more like 30 seats, half of what it contests. And that too if the opposition is united and has got its act together. If not, then expect PAS to win less than 20 seats.

The bottom line is, PAS cannot turn Malaysia into an Islamic State. Only Umno can because Barisan Naisonal controls more than two-thirds of the seats in Parliament and Umno decides what Barisan Nasional does. Umno is Barisan Nasional and Barisan Nasional is Umno. There are no two ways about it. And the Chinese, Indian, Kadazan, Dayak, etc., running dogs will wag their tails and lick the hands of their Umno masters like how all good running dogs should behave.

The trouble is, Malaysians consider it their right to speak out. Granted, it is the right of every citizen to express themselves. And it is also the right of every citizen to say something stupid and make fools of themselves. Even Ministers like Nazri and Zam enjoy this right and they certainly exercise this right to the hilt. The only problem is, only we think Nazri and Zam are incoherent and fools to boot. They, on the other hand, imagine themselves as extremely clever in being able to coin 'witty' statements that no others in this world can come up with.

Opposition leaders are not exempted from this syndrome either. This, I normally call the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' syndrome. For example, long before the 2004 general election, we already told the opposition leaders -- once during a two-day convention in Melaka -- that the hate-Mahathir 'unity' would be very dangerous to hang on to.

It is not too bad for PAS. PAS is united by love; love for Islam. So those who love Islam would unite under the banner of PAS. DAP and PKR, however, are united by hate. DAP gets its support from the Chinese who hate the Malays-Islam while PKR gets it support predominantly from Malays who hate Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.

I suppose DAP can always claim that there would be at least some Chinese who will always hate the Malays or Islam, so they will always be assured of winning a spattering of seats. But what if Tun Dr Mahathir suddenly resigns and hands the reins of power to his deputy? Would PKR still be able to harness the hate-Mahathir support seeing that Mahathir is no longer in office?

Come hell or high-water, PAS will always get some level of support as long as there is a religion called Islam still around. But there will not always be a man called Mahathir sitting in the chair of Prime Minister. PKR, therefore, has to build its support not on hate, but just like PAS, on love. But what love factor can PKR start promoting to transform their united-by-hate support into united-by-love?

This was the problem for PKR just like what DAP would face if the Chinese suddenly stop hating the Malays and started hugging and kissing their fellow-Malaysians and call them brother.

PKR was advised to look for a new hate factor and to start shifting the focus away from Mahathir over to this new hate factor. Maybe the target should not be personalities but issues. Stop asking people to hate the person named Mahathir but instead hate the system that is not right. Personalities can come and go but at least if the system has not changed then you would not lose your supporters.

But the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' group would not listen. Speech after speech and statement after statement were targeted towards Mahathir. It was not a 'what we can do for the country' campaign but a 'Mahathir is an ass-hole' campaign. The voters were tired of hearing what is wrong with this country and with the leaders who are running it. They know what is wrong. They do not need the opposition to tell them what is wrong. What they wanted to know is what the opposition was going to do about setting things rights.

But, first of all, do we even have an opposition? The opposition is not united. They call themselves Barisan Alternatif (Alternative Front) but there is no 'front'. It is a collection of rag-tag political parties, some mosquito parties, that are always squabbling, refuse to sit at the same table, and have no common name, symbol or agenda. Where is the one party? Where is the one name? Where is the one flag? Where is the one symbol? Where is the one voice? All these were non-existent. In fact, most times the different opposition parties made conflicting statements and rebutted each other rather than rebut the ruling coalition. The opposition was beginning to look like a joke but it was nowhere near funny.

These are not new issues though. As far back as 1999 the voters had already indicated that they wanted change. But they were not prepared to go for change just for the sake of change. It has to be based on credible change. They wanted to see a united opposition. And they wanted proof that the opposition is united by seeing a common name, a common symbol, a common election manifesto, and so on.

But PKR, then PKN, was formed in April and the general election was called barely a few months after that. There was not enough time for the voters to familiarise themselves with a common symbol or common name. Even Barisan Nasional needed three years for the voters to get used to the new name and the new dacing symbol from the old Alliance Party and kapal layar symbol. And Barisan Nasional was the party in power, mind you. What more for the opposition which does not have any air time on TV?

So each party would have to contest under its own name and symbol. Nevertheless, they would at least present a common or joint election manifesto. This would give some resemblance of opposition unity. In time, a common name and symbol could be created and the voters would then be able to choose between two legitimate coalition parties, one in government and the other in the opposition aisle. But that would have to be something for the next election. For the 1999 election the voters would have to be contented with a loose coalition called Barisan Alternatif while each party would contest under its own name and symbol.

But after the 1999 general election the loose opposition coalition did not get formalised. In fact, it broke up when PAS launched the Islamic State Document (ISD) and DAP left the opposition coalition in a huff. Instead of advancing, the opposition was retreating. And the joint election manifesto that the opposition presented to the voters was placed on the shelf to gather dust. It was now insignificant. Yes, it was a beautiful piece of work. But it was of no use to an opposition that not only did not get into office but has taken its own life in an act of hara kiri.

The opposition thought it was better off divorced than married. It won two states in 1999. It denied Barisan Nasional its two-thirds majority in the Kedah State Assembly. And it had 42 seats in Parliament. In 2004, this entire scenario was reversed. The voters punished the opposition for its arrogance. The opposition underestimated the voters and paid for it dearly. Finally, the rakyat proved that they are the boss and the voters demonstrated this by giving the opposition a trouncing.

Yes, the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' group are not so clever after all. When the voters spoke they would not listen. They thought they were smarter than the voters. They thought as long as the voters hated those who walk in the corridors of power this would be enough. Let us unite because of hate, hate for the government. And if you hate the government then kick them out and vote us into office instead.

But it is not that easy. The voters' support does not come cheap. It comes with a price. And the price you pay is: we play by our rules, not by yours.

This time around the voters are going to be even more demanding. The voters no longer care about political parties. All political parties are fakes. The voters no longer trust politicians. All politicians are slimeballs and scumbags. The voters want to know only one thing. If we vote for you what do we get? What's in it for us? If we benefit, then we will vote for you. If not, then go to hell. Call us selfish, so what? It is our vote and we can afford to be selfish.

The voters have listened to promises before in 1999 and 2004 and voted based on these promises. In 1999, they voted opposition on the promise of the birth of a new opposition front and probably the emergence of a two-party system in Malaysia. After the election these promises turned to dust. In 2004 they voted ruling party on the promise of a new deal and the emergence of a new post-Mahathir era of prosperity, tolerance, democracy, and all the crap. The opposition did not deliver after the 1999 general election and neither did the ruling party after the 2004 election.

The voters no longer trust politicians. The voters no longer want the political parties to make promises on what they are going to do if we vote them into office. The voters now want to to decide how this country is going to be run and they will extract commitments from those running for office that the voters' wishes would be adhered to.

Malaysia Today, together with various personalities from civil society movements, has come out with two documents called THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION. The PDF versions of these documents can be downloaded at the following links.

1a) PEOPLES' VOICE (PDF IN ENGLISH)

1b) PEOPLES' DECLARATION (PDF IN ENGLISH)

2) DEKLARASI RAKYAT (PDF IN BAHASA MALAYSIA)

3) PEOPLES' DECLARATION (PDF IN CHINESE)

Download these documents and print them out and send them to the aspirants who will be contesting in your constituency. Tell them we will vote for them subject to their endorsement of these documents. Tell them we want them to become what they are supposed to be, Wakil Rakyat. Wakil Rakyat means the peoples' representative. They are called Wakil Rakyat because they represent us. And if they represent us then this means that we, the people, are the boss.

The political parties on both sides of the political divide can choose to ignore us. They can reject our demands if they so wish. But they do so at their own peril and at the risk of getting rejected by us.

It no longer matters from which political party our Wakil Rakyat comes from. Be they ruling party or opposition party we don't really care. The only thing we care about is that these people we elect into office understand that they sit in office at our pleasure and to do our bidding. And what pleases us is that they run the country and bring about changes and transformation according to what we have laid out in THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION.

In closing, I would like to inform all our readers that, today, we have sent copies of THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION in both English and Bahasa Malaysia to all the 20 or so political parties that will be contesting the coming general election. It is up to them whether to reject or accept what we have demanded. But if they choose to reject it then they would have to explain why because our demands are legitimate and very credible. There is nothing we have demanded that should not be demanded. And we have not demanded what we do not deserve. We have only demanded what is our right and what has been guaranteed in the Federal Constitution of Malaysia that was the basis of how we gained Merdeka on 31 August 1957.

HIDUP RAKYAT! LONG LIVE THE RAKYAT! THE PEOPLE ARE THE BOSS!

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written by alan cheong, February 06, 2008 12:59:13
it is hate all right, but hatred of injustice.
the fork-tongued maha-hypocrite will not live forever in this world. but WE still need to face and wrangle with his legacies.

WE are united by a love and yearning for JUSTICE.

DAP is NOT anti-islam or anti-malay, they are about anti-injustice, pro-meritocracy. we'll see wot anwar can deliver ... justice- and impartiality-wise.
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written by Melly, February 06, 2008 13:11:02
This article makes a lot of sense. For those weary of PAS, give them the benefit of the doubt. If you still don't trust PAS, at least TRUST RPK, I know I do, cos time & again he has proven himself to be true and sincere.
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written by mddanial, February 06, 2008 13:24:33
“Yes, the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' group are not so clever after all. When the voters spoke they would not listen. They thought they were smarter than the voters.”

Get the “recorded live” details here www.citizenthinktank.com/polit...Itemid=118

And also the reason why the current emperor is ‘haram’
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written by mddanial, February 06, 2008 13:35:48
We should refer start them as Yang Berkhidmat rather than Yang Berhormat.
We need to drill their thick skull, knock them to their senses and show them who is their real boss.

I have done and documented many things and have come to a conclusion that we do not need POLITICIANS to run this country !!!!

WAKE UP PEOPLE, our ship is sinking fast !!!


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written by mddanial, February 06, 2008 13:38:26
Sorry, it should be .. "We should start referring them as.... "
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written by sampalee, February 06, 2008 14:04:27
We can love peace without Having hatred for injustice.HATRED of any kind is undesirable.We can love our friends and enemy alike without any room for hatred.
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written by Wisdom above, February 06, 2008 14:35:50
..........' The people are the boss '

The wind of change has come.

It shall sweep throughout the nation positively & effectively.

Miracles & Prophecy will be fulfilled.

Remember, all events happened yesterday & today were all illogical.

' Malaysian Love Malaysian "
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written by Raja Petra, February 06, 2008 14:38:12
Dear cruzeiro, why don't you and bumi-non-malay just go vote for Barisan Nasional? That should make you both very happy. I have never seen running dogs cry yet so running dogs must be very happy indeed and I know you too will be happy.
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written by The dragonheart, February 06, 2008 14:40:29
To any Muslims who Believe and pious to Allah would have read this verse from the quran:

Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) verse 53which Says:"This, because God would never change the blessings with which He has graced a people unless they change their inner selves and [know] that God is all-hearing, all-seeing."


Yes, the rakyat are the boss. Only they can change their faith and livelihoods. If we keep on diverting our thoughts into hate and anti this and that, not being holistic... these rakyat will still be like a dog who barks at the mountain... until the cow comes home, nothing will change the mountain.

To make changes, we must do the first thing first. Vote for any opposition who is contesting in your area. When we get the new broom, it will sweep well. and meantime we will have to keep reminding them that the power to change are still in our hands. If they are not smart enough to manage the country in a trustworthy manner, they will get a boot on their butt in the next 5 years.

Lets us be together, not only to deny BN's 2/3 majority but even to deny their simple majority.

Vote for any opposition either for ADUN or MP. Hidup Rakyat!!
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written by teckkuan, February 06, 2008 14:51:47
good article. constructive and written straight from your heart. i do hope this one will change the many typical and narrow perceptions of the people
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written by rayfire, February 06, 2008 14:53:59
I would say agree to disagree and each opposition party should go on to compete themselves with their own agenda. What is more important is that the candidates chosen are really genuine and would like to see real changes happen for ALL MALAYSIANS!
The candidate should preferably be a professional with adequate economy know how to counter the possible crisis that we may be facing soon.
I for once, am not going to look at symbol ,as it is meaningless, there are scumbags in all parties you know, they only vary in the degree of scumbagness
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Anyway we can't afford to risk using feel good factor to decide on the vote.
We need real change, and this "people declaration" is a good start.
Each candidate who hopes to represent us should read, understand and acknowledge it before even considering nominating themselves for the seats.
I just hope all parties concerned, please , please ,please make sure you have WORTHY candidates for us to consider.
BTW, anyone noticed the CAMPAIGN ad launched by BN on RTM?, They associate Bersih, and opposition parties as bersubahat to cause arm to the country.
Please, can someone sue them please, the ad was conveniently broadcasted during news hour.
Must be handywork of Zam Zam.
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 14:54:32
DAP gets its support from the Chinese who hate the Malays-Islam
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RPK what make you think I hate Malay-Islam, when I don't get a chance to vote for them(PAS). I said it before, there is not a single 3 corner fight between BN, DAP & PAS seat. We vote for DAP/MCA not because we hate Malay-Islam. That is the choice we have. PAS said it themselves, they are only interested in the predominantly Malay seat. Common sense will tell you that we can't vote for PAS in the first place and PAS honestly speaking do not appeal to us. From your own word "If we vote for you what do we get? What's in it for us?"
Overall I like what you said. I think this is the way to go. RPK you rock.
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written by Raja Petra, February 06, 2008 14:54:59
Dear cruzeiro, for ten years since 1998 we have been explaining again and again and again the same old issues. And again and again and again people like you still raise the same old arguments. Some say they are getting tired of me writing on the same subject matters. But as much as I may write about the same subject matter so many times, people like you still pop up from the woodwork and raise matters that have already been talked about, explained and replied over the last ten years.

You choose to have blinkers. Anything Malay is foul. Anything Islam is foul. Fullstop.

Vote whoever you want to. I really don't care what you do. Just stop blaming others for your decisions even though that is your expertise.
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written by idham, February 06, 2008 15:05:47
No doubt BN will win again, just deny BN 2/3 majority.

We badly need for checks and balances in governing.

We need our representatives to debate the issue before approving / rejecting any proposal instead of rubber stamping.

We need Police, Judiciary, BPR, SPR, answer directly to People (i.e. Parliament) and BN will not do this unless we reduce their majority.

Trust me friends, BN wont change until we deny 2/3 majority.

Stop BN Madness!

Vote other than BN even it is RAT!!
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written by turun padang, February 06, 2008 15:10:07
The problem with most malaysian is that we (which include me) like to comment, comment & give critic here & there.. Everyone only good in coming out with 'high and mighty' statements or comments.

When in are we going to put it(anything gameplan) into action?

The only person who is actually doing something about it, is RPK & Malaysia Today.

Lets us all start doing something rather than just talk & talk till kingdom come.

"JUST DO IT" - action is anytime mighter than words.

And Pete,

Please do continue to write in such a way so that layman/ average simple man like me can can understand what to do next and we (the lay men )will not just keep on talking or complaining tapi (balik balik vote back BN)

A lots of not so smart but yet not stupid people like me (out here in the street) would like to see changes and but we need direction!
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written by turun padang, February 06, 2008 15:16:34
And to the rest of the people in Reading articles in MT..
Let me ask you 1 QUESTION..

What have you done so far, to make malaysia better?

Me? I am still talking to at least 2 persons (friend or stranger) everyday, and ask them to come out to vote in this coming election.
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written by Raja Petra, February 06, 2008 15:24:15
Dear Semuaok, no, the reason PAS does not contest in Chinese seats is because DAP and PKR and both fighting over these seats and are threatening three-corner fights. If PAS also comes in it will be four-corner fights and guess who will win? The Chinese somehow feel only Chinese should contest in Chinese seats. And not enough with that, they must not only be Chinese but Hakka Chinese must contest in Hakka majority seats, and so on. The same with the Indians. Only Indians must contest in Indian areas. Actually the Malays are happy to contest anywhere. But the Chinese and Indians are not happy with this. But please, Semuaok, please don't start calling the Chinese and Indians racists because of this.
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written by journeyman, February 06, 2008 15:25:23
"And if I do, (even if it is PAS) it is becos of the racism and religious bigotry that is unaddressed by "very loving people"."

what is this? you want to vote for the opposition, shut up and just vote. giving justifications just goes to show the kind of person you are. you whack them if and when they show injustice after they rule. (a) pathetic show of inferiority complex.

"hypocrisy"," half-baked apologies", "they can keep silent in the face of injustices meted out to KUFR!"

"That's your language & hallmark..."

this is my languange: if you have not taken the trouble to check news and reports from authentic sources, and continue to rely on the star, nst, bernama, your penolong pengarah kementerian neighbour,cnn and the like, i suggest you emulate fft and put your head (the one which contains that pocket of air in between your ears, not the other one which fft's shit-scared of losing when islam rules the world) snugly into the water- closet bowl and press the flush button, for a deserved refreshing shower.
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 15:40:17
Opposition not only go against each other. They also commit act of hara kiri on themselves. This is the mother of all blunder by PKR. Anwar talking about abolishing NEP in a Chinese Town Hall. Anwar I repeat NEP is not the problem. You frighten the shit out of all those moderate Malay by trying to please a group of Chinese who actually don't mind helping the poor Malay. Here is what I think will work. I understand you are suffering, NEP is broke but BN is getting richer, BN has to go in order for NEP to be successful.
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written by Rhan, February 06, 2008 15:59:47
Cruzeiro, please lah, don’t keep on screening PAS under a microscope while blinded on the rest. Anyhow, most of us who tell vote or don’t vote PAS is not reside in a PAS contest constituency. Whether we like it or not, PAS is here to stay unless the boss says no.

Btw, I think it is okay for DAP and PKR not to agree on certain issue, or we like to see the same scenario whereby BN is UMNO and UMNO is BN?
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written by aryn, February 06, 2008 16:34:20
Boy oh boy! No wonder BN always capitalise on racial issue to divide and rule because Malaysians are easy prey. The BN had succeeded in its campaign to turn Malaysians into racist and now they are reaping the fruit of victory at every GE.

I should have thought that the educated people among us see this and put an end to it to create a Bangsa Malaysia but sadly, many here fell into BN especially Umno's racist traps.

I am (as always) voting for the opposition to give them a chance. We already tasted BN's rule and I want a change. Those who want change should just vote for the oppositions. Should they fail to live to expectation, we can always boot them out in the next GE. Period.
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written by malaysian2008, February 06, 2008 16:56:09
RPK answer Semuaok and wrote :
the reason PAS does not contest in Chinese seats is because DAP and PKR and both fighting over these seats and are threatening three-corner fights.

Just a fact here for both of you, In Kelantan's Kota Lama seat which is traditionaly a chinese majority seat - the cadidate is a PAS chinese muslim. YB annuar Tan. Try ask DAP or PKR put their candidate there and see they can win.

A good candidate is not just b'cos of race, but someone who can perform their duty in their constituent and work hard to fight for an ideology. YB tan has done that.
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written by nafis, February 06, 2008 17:01:33
Salam Raja Petra,

errmm where do the OKUs fit inside the declaration, sir? or, did you mean when you say "we" you have already included the OKUs? must have.....

but still, maybe you should put some emphasize on how the rakyat must look on the problems of OKUs as something very real and very "here to stay" [I am still reeling with anger over Rapid KL's STUPID AND INSENSITIVE ruling on the OKUs having to get themselves re-registered in order to be eligible for the discounted fares]!!
as if they were not having enough problems with Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat already! [sorry for the outburst]
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written by indianputra, February 06, 2008 17:03:53
RPK, things are changing and have changed. Non-Malays don't hate PAS anymore. Today, I can state in here that the Chinese and the Indians are supporting PAS because PAS at anytime is a lot better than the BN and people have realized that..

The senior citizens of Malaysia had problems with PAS because the UMNO and BN painted a bad picture about PAS that they are too Islamic, they will cut off the hands of people who steal, they will send back the Chinese and Indians to their home land etc. Today, the picture is much more clearer. PAS is a good party, a party where they have ethics, a party that resembles the values of Asians.

I know of several Non-Malays who worked in Kota Baru refused transfers to other states because they felt peaceful in Kelantan. As a brainwashed Malaysian, I was surprised at their attitude. I would have thought, they will run away from Kelantan at the first opportunity. But, they enjoyed the serenity, peace and life in Kelantan.

I think it is time, we Malaysians start respecting PAS. The latest development that they are only contesting 60 parlimentary seats is something that should be admired for they are giving the other seats for other oppositio parties to contest. That is magnanimous.

PAS, if you are ever standing in my constituency, MY VOTE IS FOR YOU!! YOU ARE ANYTIME BETTER THAN MIC!!!
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written by Visinic, February 06, 2008 17:10:13
To all those celebrating, i would like to wish u all a Happy Chinese New Year and may u all be blessed with wealth, health and prosperity......
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written by temenggong, February 06, 2008 17:57:55
Whether the oppostion parties accept the Joint Manifesto is inconsequential now, for they already have a pact for straight fights. This is unprecedented. Besides Pas is only contesting 60 seats.

WE HAVE A JOINT OPPOSITION!

The Indians and the Malays have already made up their minds on whom to vote and the die has been cast. Its up to the chinese, sabahans and sarawakians now. The chinese may keep Penang and lose the centre.
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written by Ben Nordin, February 06, 2008 18:15:17
Nice one, RPK. Only the government doesn't know that the Rakyat are actually the boss. I remember when Pak Lah said something like "Work with me not for me." I found it amusing then. Even now he still doesn't get it. He may be the CEO (Bad one at that)of Malaysia inc. but the Rakyat are the shareholders with voting rights. It's time to vote in a new Board with a new CEO. And if not cripple their management powers. NO 2/3 majority!
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written by grant, February 06, 2008 18:28:46
I commented (but I guess no one read and I dont care if I get a positive vote or negative one from the readers) but here I am again to say. Irregardless of the agenda or how split the opposition is, u need to continue to vote them. We need to consistently send the msg to the ruling govt that our rights, our needs i.e the Rakyat's rights, the Rakyat's needs need to be listened to. Need to be at least reviewed for the progress of the nation.

Even if one day BN happens to be the opposition because PAS or DAP or PKR is the ruling govt, I will still vote for the opposition. U hv to understand 1 simple basic fundamental. The ruling govt in power for too long will manipulate the Rakyat.

WHY? BECAUSE one day, when the ruling govt endorsses a bill where all the Rakyat has to eat shit for a living, WE CANT DO ANYTHING BUT TO HEED SO!
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written by grant, February 06, 2008 18:32:05
To tell u the truth guys. The opposition do not have to win the entire Msia or 2/3 majority. With PAS retaining Kelantan, winning back T'gganu, perhaps even taking 1/3 of Pahang and Kedah, DAP winning 1/3 of Penang and Melaka, sporadic wins of PKR here and there in important areas, BN will already tremble. Dont forget Swak lost more seats than expected in their last election. Didnt that send a msg to BN yet? Let us do it this round again... If all this doesnt sound as a wake up call to Bodowi, then he really is bodoh!
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written by Thomas47, February 06, 2008 18:37:12
Nice piece and judging by what you have written and the present scenarios that we see among the oppositions, I can't be that far out from my guess on which camp will be the subsequent victor. The people now are not what they were decades ago and I believed that they will know what to do and be the deciding factor come this GE.
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written by HJ Angus, February 06, 2008 19:02:03
Interesting heading but most of the time the people let the leaders lord over them and come election time are willing to accept peanuts while others get truckloads of goodies the rest of the time.

If people want CHANGE they must vote for it; otherwise the BN will never change. Why should they?
In the USA Obama has an important message for his supporters.
You must change before you can have change - don't depend on anyone else.
"You are the change you have been waiting for."

http://malaysiawatch3.********.com/2008/02/can-malaysians-change.html
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written by InEffective, February 07, 2008 00:10:29
Nice - believers of 'people are the boss' can continue the ideology of hope, opposition can continue their highly effective racial cooperation and collaboration efforts.

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written by Raja Petra, February 07, 2008 00:52:45
For ten years now since 1998 we have been fighting for change. We have lost all our businesses. We have been sacked from our jobs and positions. We have been detained and beaten up in the police station. Our homes have been raided.

It was like the marathons I used to run before 1998. The first 30 kilometers were bearable. The next 10 were torturous. The last 2 kilometers were hell. But we endured till the end in spite of our body having given up long ago. Our body no longer kept us going. Our minds took over from where our body gave up. And we completed the 42 kilometers then went home and collapsed. (Read the book 'Running with your mind').

We are now on that last 2 kilometers of the 42-kilometer marathon. Soon the general election will be upon us. 10 years of losing everything for the ideals of change will be decided in the 12th General Election. I have no time for petty whining and bitching from small minds. Can the small boys please step aside so that the real men can get the job done?
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written by Raja Petra, February 07, 2008 01:46:34
Dear sheppardlight, real fantastic quotes. Do you mind if I use them in one of my articles? I don't think I could have come out with anything better than that myself. By the way, just out of curiosity, how old are you anyway?

And what were you smoking when you drafted that little sermon on Islam? I would certainly like to try some.
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written by Daryl, February 07, 2008 01:57:31
GONG XI FATT CHAI to all Chinese readers and Happy Holiday to those that are not!!!

God Bless all our leaders both on the goverment and those that are on the other site!!!!

RPK I commended you for the information that I usually don't get from reading the newspaper like The Star online. Also, for you persistent about a more democratic Malaysia for the people not only for certain race or religion.
In a truly democratic country the legal system work for the rakyat and the rakyat will have to decide if they like what the current goverment does? If they do we give them another four years. If they don't the rakyat need to be strong and brave to tell them go kiss my behind.
However, the biggest problem is that other than the BN alliance the others are all amateur politician and parties because they are being selfish. These political parties are only interested in their own agendas and try to reach out to certain group of people may it be race or religion. So, what do we have as rakyat to choose from
1) BN - which have the money and can create any type of advantages to win the election. And of course they are more united when come to putting a front

2) Opposition Alliance - Even the name is wrong. Maybe it should be Alternative Alliance or something that sounds more positive. Next we have these parties competing against each other because of race or religion. So what are our alternatives solution. It should be one party maybe "Democratic Alliance for Rakyat" and with agendas that will appeal to all class of rakyat. Than start a united campaign opposite to BN political machine. Than maybe we can go somewhere with this.

Unfortunatly, in my humble opinion a truly united "opposition" is the only way we can win more than 1/3 of the seats without threat of race war or repeat of May 13th, 1969. I think with the current environment we are still very far from that. However, I hope rakyat in Malaysia can prove me wrong...
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written by bexe, February 07, 2008 02:55:44
PRK
I share your frustration about our Opposition Parties. United they stand and divided they will fall. Somehow we can't get this message through their think heads. Bn is exploiting this to the hilt. Tragedy!
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 04:23:00
RPK I hear you. You have to stop making me cry and expect me to write at the same time. I lost my parents and friends when I left. Luckily for me my wife (as usual standing behind her man) come along.

RPK it's not going to be easy but it can be done. We need to focus on what we have PAS, DAP, Hindraf and Keadilan and build on it. We need to know what the voter want, so that we can fight an organize war against BN. Every arrow has to target at BN/UMNO, not opposition. It you break their backbone(UMNO) the rest will evaporated including MCA/MIC/GERAKAN-they have no support.
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written by educationist, February 07, 2008 06:29:38
So, the needful has been done. Let's see the response of the BN. I'll lay a bet for............SILENCE
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written by SOS, February 07, 2008 07:50:34
Somebody said the otherday " Politicians are like Diapers " You need to change them often!

I say " Politician are like low performance Cars " You need to change those damn cars every 4 to 5 years, coz it's guzzling petrol and poluting the air with their fart/exaust fume.

After 50 years in this shit pool. Managing the country through Auto pilot system. It can not get any worse. Just vote anything as long as it's not dacing.

No politician is indispensible...I repeat No politician is indispensible. If they work for your interest, keep them. If they work for their self interest, kick them out. They got their pay through your hard earn tax money. You are the one who decide their faith.
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 07:54:08
Anwar you need to be a quarterback, you need to throw the ball to who(DAP, PAS Hindraf) you think can get the jobs done. You need to show your care & be generous to DAP as well as Hindraf & PAS. You need to believe If DAP, PAS or HIndraf win, It's the same as a win for Keadilan. Anwar you need to focus on UMNO seat(trust me DAP & Hindraf is not interested in this seats & PAS choose not to compete with you). This is the moderate Malay seat(60% Malay, 30% Chinese, 10% Indian) This is the seats UMNO win. This group of Malay need Chinese and Chinese need moderate Malay. The moderate Malays is mad now, NEP is broke, Oil, foods, necessity prices going up, BN is richer by the days. This group is up for grab. Moreover I don't think you have the resources to fight every seats effectively. Why not let DAP, PAS or Hindraf do the jobs.
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written by Angela Ooi, February 07, 2008 09:57:26
Dear Raja Petra, you are a great tactical general. When you wrote about how the BA should be going about for the coming elections, you gave very sound points but they wouldn't or couldn't take it. So currently Opposition is more or less in shambles. Then you come out with this "people's declaration'. Brillant! People, please promote it fervently.
Turun padang, I like and agree with what you wrote.

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written by Counterpointer, February 07, 2008 10:36:19
The voters no longer trust politicians[/quote

That's why it's now up to bloggers to impress on the voters to change. The opposition all seems to be talking about seats and we don't really know what kind of groundwork they had been doing to change the mindsets of those majority voters. These voters are so easily swayed by gifts and promises of development that they would temporarily totally forget about the corruption, the escalating crime rates, the gross abuses of power, the f*cked up judiciary, the racial polarisation, the pariah cabinet and ministers, the lousy leadership of Bodohwi, etc,etc..and after casting that vote they'd start regretting for another four years when the vicious cycle will start again.

This has all gotta change and if opposition keeps going the same way, harping on the same issues and tussling for seats, utilizing the same strategies, it's simply not going to work.

What we need to see is more of those 'people power' rallies to change voter's mindsets and break this damn vicious cycle. Bloggers should unite to make this happen.
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written by Raja Petra, February 07, 2008 10:45:23
Dear sheppardlight, yes, I am arrogant, I admit that. And it is my arrogance that makes me do what I do and makes me tell the government that if they don't like what I do they can go to hell and I don't care two ****s. Without this arrogance I would probably just post comments under fictitious names in other peoples' blogs.
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written by Jos, February 07, 2008 11:52:17
Dear RPK,

You are wrong ... The majority of Malaysians will vote for money, not for the issue..

There will be no major change in Malaysia if the majority still continue to maintain their "old" behavior .... So, we still need another 50 years ...

Politik Uang Lazim di Malaysia
Andrian Fauzi - detikBandung

Bandung- Jika di Indonesia praktik politik uang diperangi, tidak demikian di Malaysia. Pemilih di Negeri Jiran itu justru sudah terbiasa dengan praktek pembelian suara.

Hal ini disampaikan oleh Ketua Pemilihan Rakyat Malaysia Tan Sri Abdul Rasid Rahman saat melakukan studi banding ke KPUD Jabar, Selasa(5/2/200smilies/cool.gif.

"Ya, hal itu juga ada. Biasanya partai-partai berkuasa yang punya uang, membayar pemilih. Masyarakat kami juga tidak mau kalau tidak dibayar,"ujarnya menanggapi pertanyaan dari Ketua KPUD Jabar Setia Permana.

Lebih lanjut Abdul Rasid Rahman menjelaskan proses pemilihan dan proses demokrasi antara Malaysia dan Indonesia juga berbeda.

"Dari proses demokrasinya, kuasa ada pada pusat, tidak ada KPU daerah. Untuk pemilihannya ada dua pemilihan yakni di tingkat federal dan ditingkat state atau negara bagian," paparnya.

Bulan Maret 2008 Malaysia akan mengadakan pemilihan umum, yanganggarannya disebutkan Abdul Rasid Rahman mencapai 5,6 triliun rupiah.Pelaksanaan digelar serentak, dan pemilih akan memilih wakil untuktingkat federal dan negara bagian.

Awalnya KPR Malaysia akan melakukan studi banding ke KPU Pusat,menjelang pemilu di Malaysia pada Maret 2008. Tetapi karena di Jabar sedang berlangsung proses pilgub, perwakilan KPR Malaysia yang terdiridari tiga orang, ingin melihat langsung. Rombongan yang tiba di Jakarta Senin, (5/2/200smilies/cool.gif, rencananya akan kembali ke Malaysia, Rabu(6/2/200smilies/cool.gif. ( lom / lom )

http://www.detikbandung.com/index.ph...49/idkanal/486

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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 13:55:09
got problem aah between PAS n PKR?haha,i dont think so!!!In fact i am goin 2 attend a joint PAS/PKR ceramah!! d prob is wit DAP,who imo, r just like the UMNOs,MICS,Gerakans!1No difference at all lah!!D othe prob wit DAP is they always like to tunjuk jari and menyalahkan parti/orang lain..one cina fella told me the reason DAP dont want to bergabung with the rest of the opposition is because tengku razaleigh n s46 betryed DAP in 1990 smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif..c lah folks..hotak udang!!
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 14:02:56
kaysean cruz..nicely kena sepak frm rpk.... ..man,doc cruz,sudahlah..go vote for the materialist,sick_ularits,bible waving,text book junkies robotos smilies/grin.gif
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 14:14:40
sentimen orang india ialah "VOTE 4 THE OPPOSITION"...
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written by The dragonheart, February 07, 2008 14:16:15
Sheppard light Said:
…..I dont think PAS is united by love. I think they are as equal as DAP and PKR, by hate. And i dont think that PAS really understands Islam. The fact that PAS is trying to gain control by participating in this system of election called democracy, is not Islam.….I can see that PAS wants to bring Islam (peace) back to order. The problem is they are doing it the wrong way. It is not the way of the Sunnah…..
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Dear Sheppard light,

I know that you are young,
I know that you’re learned,
I know that you feel that you’re matured,
I know that you think you know everything…

My dear Sheppard light, PAS is united by love, but not love like what a teenager have in mind, not love like what a businessmen wants, not love like what a power seeking wants…

PAS is united by love of their God, their Prophet SAW and the way of life Islam thought them. The rest is inclusive.

If you think PAS should draw their swords to gain control over the country that practices democracy as their means and the citizens are less than 50% Muslims, then you are very short sighted.

Some people might say I am wasting my time writing this to you, but I don’t care. I like your courage. I am more that 2 ½ times older than you. You have the courage to say what you had said. I disagree 100% of what you said above.

The prophet SAW said if you used all the water in the ocean as ink to write down all the God’s Knowledge, even if the ocean is dried up, yet you still have not finish writing them down. You’re just 19 years old, Yes, I am proud of people of your age to join us here to debate about our political issues. Not many “young” people like you (even those who are studying in the universities today) are interested in politics and the future of our country. The problem with young people like you is that you see things what you see and what you’re being taught. You don’t live in the real world 50 years ago. At 19, you are only exposed to what the Government school taught you at SPM/STPM level. If you think I am wrong, prove me your extra knowledge skills in this matter.

30-40 years ago PAS wants to bring Islam (peace) back to order as what you have in mind. Every time they make speeches only coconut and banana trees listens to them. PAS is as old as UMNO, in fact they were part of the 1946 UMNO. Most of them were the Ulamaks in the 1946 UMNO, they left because they felt that UNMO was not Islamic and not following the sunnah (as you said). For over 30 years PAS stood on their rocks but they were not notice. This is a multi racial and multi religious country. If PAS trying to gain control by participating in this system of election called democracy by some other methods, then PAS will always be a” stupid mouse deer” who will be stampede by the giant elephants and the eaten by the hungry tigers.

Like I said in my comment above, I quoted the Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) verse 53which Says:"This, because God would never change the blessings with which He has graced a people unless they change their inner selves and [know] that God is all-hearing, all-seeing."

PAS have changed. Because of the changes, PAS is beginning to be accepted by the other Muslims and non-Muslims alike. PAS must not be like The Taliban, The Al Qaeeda, etc…They are not! PAS is Malaysian and Malaysia is not PAS. Maybe if the other races have not migrated into the country and becomes Malaysian as we are today, maybe Malaysia is PAS, but the fact today it is not. PAS must have accepted this and this is what it is going to be. And PAS have settled that they are only contesting 60 parliamentary seat, which shows that they are not focusing to rule the country all by themselves. This mean that they want to work together with the other non-Muslim parties for the sake of LOVE and PEACE as what Islam wants it to be.

There is nothing great about the “mouse deer” you’re talking about. Almost 99.99% of the Captured smart “mouse deers” ends up in the cooking pot. Mouse deers are just cunning but never wise.


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written by The dragonheart, February 07, 2008 14:17:08
P.S.(just for sheppardlight)
Dear Sheppard light,


William Shakespeare, in "As You Like It" :The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

A writer named Naguib Mah fouz (b. 1911) once wrote :”You can tell whether a man is clever by is answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions”

A clever man
will always tell you answers. He will tell you things you may not care about. His purpose is to impress. To be more accurate is to see himself reflected in the reaction on your face.

A wise man will not try to convince you anything. A wise man is trying to build himself not to build you. He asks questions because he wants to learn more. He needs to learn more because he is aware of how little he knows about so any things. He is aware less of what he knows than what he does not know. A Wiseman will share what he knows. But you will have to ask. Otherwise he will be busy. He has his own quest. He will assume that you have your own.
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 21:22:51
http://www.harakahdaily.net/bm...n-pas.html

"Kami tidak akan lupa jasa baik kerajaan PAS yang memerintah dan banyak menyelesaikan masalah rakyat dan masalah masyarakat Tionghua,” ujarnya ketika berucap pada majlis tersebut.

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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 21:24:06
http://www.harakahdaily.net/bm...barat.html

Difahamkan Barisan Alternatif Pahang telah menyelesaikan pembahagian kerusi di antara PAS dan KeADILan, pembahagian kerusi tersebut akan merealisasikan strategi 'satu lawan satu'. - mks.
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written by rhyder, February 07, 2008 22:19:17
written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 | 21:51:37
I hate Islam because there is 2 sides......For those whose choose hate, go kill yourself.
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hope you don't follow your own advice. we'd miss the entertainment you provide.
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written by turun padang, February 07, 2008 22:25:22
written by The dragonheart, February 07, 2008 | 14:17:08

William Shakespeare, in "As You Like It" :The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
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Completely agree with this statement of yours... but i would like to add to it.. which is, after we learned, we should act on it. Theory & Pratical comes hand in hand.

for me, i will do my level best about what is within my control to make malaysia a better place, no matter how 'tak penting' others might say.

I honestly think & believe that: sharing with others (those that do not have access to online) of what we have learn (especially thru MT) will make a lot of different.

This is the least i can do for my country.
What can you do? and will you actually do it?

For Angela Ooi,

I am glad that you agree with me.

Join me - talk to at least 2 person (stranger or friend) on why they should come out & vote.

Let do something, we should not just keep posting comment and show how smart we are.. we should - JUST DO IT
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 22:29:14
SUV you are a disgrace to Islam
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 22:53:25
Dear rhyder, you need to allow for some margin of error, or the world would have no fun
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written by The dragonheart, February 08, 2008 02:27:54
Daryl said:
I always believe in separation between politic and religion.
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I wonder how you can separate these two?

Aristotle tells us a simple truth when he says, "He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or God."

Man is born in society and he lives in society. No man is self-sufficient, and nature has not created one. His needs are many and purposes numerous.The general rule is that men live, and always have lived, in social groups.An organized society requires the presence of some individuals to enforce rules of universal application for uniform moral behavior and ensure their observance. Many of the moral behavior truth and sanctions are in religions.

I reject to believe that Secularism had been regarded as a universal good and beneficial to society.I strongly believe that secularism and atheism are the main sources of all society's ills. Only through religious in politics and culture would produce a more stable, more moral, and ultimately better social order.

To defend the idea of moral truths, we must require some sort of engagement with theology. Human beings do not make these truths, therefore there must be a relationship between ultimate truths and human life, and that can only be found in religious belief.In this score, religion cannot be eliminated and it is the best hope for a genuine alternative to combat with the immoral acts of the people in society.

Secularism is unable to provide a sound basis for morality, which requires the existence of transcendental, eternal, and absolute principles or values which are unavailable in purely materialistic philosophies. When social and political systems become morally empty — the social system is doomed to chaos, corruption, and destruction.

Islam is not just a religion (Agama), Islam is Addin which means a "way of life" following the shariat (the right and straight path). The Quran does not say just about the fradhu ain (Relationship between Man and God) but also about Fardhu Khifayah (Relationship between Man and Man).

The Scholars of the Quran have enumerated varying numbers of verses of legal injunctions. The number is approximately considered to be 500. Some examples of the injunctions deals with:Marriage, Fosterage, Contracts, Loans, Deposits,Weights and Measures, Removal of Injury, Oaths and vows, Punishments for crime, Wills, Inheritance, Equity, Fraternity, Liberty, Justice to all, Principle of an ideal State, Fundamental Human Rights, Law of War and Peace, Judicial Administration, etc etc.

For these reason No God Fearing Muslim (I don't know about UMNO) would agree that Politics is not part of Islamic Public Administration.
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written by temanmu, February 08, 2008 02:43:31
For the past 2 Chinese New Years, and the present one too, I have been asking my Chinese realatives living in PAS contested areas not so apprehensive abt voting PAS.

Let`s do our "house -to -house" campaigning for the Opposition these few days!!!
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written by sheppardlight, February 08, 2008 03:01:52
The dragonheart said

.....Dear Sheppard light,
I know that you are young,
I know that you’re learned,
I know that you feel that you’re matured,
I know that you think you know everything…
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Dear dragonheart, im sorry to say that you dont know anything about me.

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The dragonheart said
.....My dear Sheppard light, PAS is united by love, but not love like what a teenager have in mind, not love like what a businessmen wants, not love like what a power seeking wants…
PAS is united by love of their God, their Prophet SAW and the way of life Islam thought them. The rest is inclusive.

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dragonheart, im a teenager, and i love peace, and that was what in my mind when i wrote earlier. Is that against islam? And whats wrong with what the love a businessman wants? I thought the prophet himself was a businessman himself? And whats wrong with power seeking? Isnt this election is about power? From what i understand, one of the prophet's agenda was to take power away from Abu Jahal who was the governor of mekah at that time. Because with power and the support from the believers than only the system and order of islam could be put in place. Look at Kelantan, although they call it an islamic state but they could not implement the law of islam. Why? Because they do not have the power to do so!

Islam is about Power isnt it? See 24.55 "Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds that will, of a surety, grand them in the land, inheritence of power, as he has granted to those before them........

You wrote PAS is united by love? PAS has always in their campaigns talked bad about their rivals especially umno, to gain support. How can you say they are united by love than? Its against the teachings of islam isnt it? See 6:108. The malay translation.... "Dan janganlah kamu memaki-maki orang-orang yang menyeru selain Allah. Mereka nanti akan memaki Allah dengan melampaui batas.... Ah...Now I know why Umno shouts back at PAS?
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The problem with young people like you is that you see things what you see and what you’re being taught. You don’t live in the real world 50 years ago. At 19, you are only exposed to what the Government school taught you at SPM/STPM level. If you think I am wrong, prove me your extra knowledge skills in this matter

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dragonheart, i'll prove you wrong.

Yes i see things right in front of my eyes, and what i've been taught, and by what i read and listen. Isnt that what the quran says? Read (i think its IQRA') listen and see? See 16:78 "It is he who brought you forth from the wombs of your mothers when you knew nothing; He gave you intelligence and affection....
You said that you are much older than me, could be the age of my father or grandfather, and i suppose much wiser. But age does not matter, does it? Although i was not born 50 years ago, but i have eyes and a brain. I read about the history of malaysia of more than the 50 years that you have lived. So age does not matter. In fact if you read your Quran 2:170 it says ....."when it is said to them; follow what is revealed to you, they say NO! We shall follow the way of our fathers. What! even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidence?" So you see. We should not just follow blindly the ways of our fathers. And that was an order by God, not me. So age doesnt matter. I proved you are wrong, based from the Quran, well, if you believe the Quran. But i think it is logic, and it makes sense.

Thank you.
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written by sheppardlight, February 08, 2008 03:02:50
the dragonheart said

This is a multi racial and multi religious country. If PAS trying to gain control by participating in this system of election called democracy by some other methods, then PAS will always be a” stupid mouse deer” who will be stampede by the giant elephants and the eaten by the hungry tigers.
.....There is nothing great about the “mouse deer” you’re talking about. Almost 99.99% of the Captured smart “mouse deers” ends up in the cooking pot. Mouse deers are just cunning but never wise.

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dragonheart, i know this is a multiracial country and so was Mekah during the periode of the Prophet. There were many different tribes, form the badwis, the jews, quraish, millahs ibrahim, nasranis and many others. I think it is even worse than malaysia. But the prophet still gained control as i have said earlier. It was not through this democracy system, he was guided by the strategy of the quran, the way of god. The people of mekah and madinah accepted the system. And that is the sunnah, implementing the oredr of god. He was also campaingning, i think, logically. But his campaign was not shouting bad of others! How can you say that PAS is campaigning what islam has taught? So, you are right. PAS is the "mouse deer" you said.
The mouse deer i was refering to is smart, cunning, clever and wise. He impressed Parameswara. So much so the Malays used the mouse deer as the proverb "Pelanduk yang Cerdik" and made so many stories. I had fun reading them when i was a kid.

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A writer named Naguib Mah fouz (b. 1911) once wrote :”You can tell whether a man is clever by is answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions” ............
.......A wise man will not try to convince you anything. A wise man is trying to build himself not to build you.

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Dear dragonheart,

GOD said 26:214 "Dan sampaikanlah kepada kerabat2 mu yang terdekat" The wise prophet guided by this, (not by Naguib) spent 23 years convincing the Arabs. And he not only build himself but so many. I'll believe this, not Naguib Mah Fouz.


Thank you
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written by sheppardlight, February 08, 2008 03:14:19
Raja Petra wrote

Dear sheppardlight, yes, I am arrogant, I admit that. And it is my arrogance that makes me do what I do and makes me tell the government that if they don't like what I do they can go to hell and I don't care two ****s. Without this arrogance I would probably just post comments under fictitious names in other peoples' blogs.

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Dear RPK, thanks for allowing people like me to use your blog to express. im sorry if i said wrong.

By the way, i just remembered reading somewhere about the prophet during his campaign, inviting the people of mekah to join him, to win over that uncle of him who was the governer of mekah, the early stages of his prophecy, he did it secretly. And he is said to have 23 different names to avoid being tracked by his enemies. Even his close friend Umar, did not know it was Muhamad his friend was the one that was spreading the teachings of islam.

Muhamad was a wise and smart statesman.
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written by sheppardlight, February 08, 2008 03:47:21
Dragonheart on what Daryl said:
I always believe in separation between politic and religion.

bla bla bla.....For these reason No God Fearing Muslim (I don't know about UMNO) would agree that Politics is not part of Islamic Public Administration.
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Dear Dragonheart, i am very much aggreable with what you wrote on the above.

But the problem is i dont see PAS which has control and Power over in Kelantan achieving towards what you said. I was in Kelantan recently, and with my own eyes i see "the way of life" there is not in accordance of the principles of islam. I still see Banks there which is still practising the Riba. I see the place there as dirty as in other town in malaysia, probably worst, with typoid recently. Pardon me for saying this.

And you call KB, the Bandaraya Islam? The place is in a mess. Please, dont insult Islam. I dont see it any different than other places. How many years has PAS been there?

But im not saying that PAS is against Islam, its just that i dont see it to be...
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written by The dragonheart, February 08, 2008 05:05:43
Dear sheppardlight<

Do you know what is a Federal Constitution?
Do you know what are the powers of a state and the Federal Government in legislating laws?
Do you Know what is effect of Ultra Virus to the Federal Constitution?

Does the banks in Kelantan belongs to the PAS?
Tell me, is the Current Islamic Banks, 100% free from Usury/Riba/Gharar?

Do you know know how much it cost to clean the Klang river in Kuala Lumpur?
How much money have the DBKL and Selangor State government had spent to clean the river? They have been cleaning the river long before your born. does it look clean? Do you think Kelantan Government have that much fund even to clean Kota Bahru town?

I would agree with you, that Malaysian (Muslims and non-Muslim alike) are dirty people. No place in Malaysia are clean, there Rats and rubbish everywhere. Most Malaysian have no civic minded about cleanliness, maybe only in their own house.

I think you do not understand my point of argument here. I am talking about secularism. Do you understand what secularism means in relation to politics, social and culture activities?

Please find out and read answers to my questions first before I decide to answer you. Like I said in my earlier comment, young man, be wise, but don't show your me that your smart. The cunning "mouse deer" will always end up in the cooking pot!
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written by The One, February 08, 2008 06:12:39
Dear Raja Petra,
dont u get tired of responding to various comments and critics?
i just hope that it wont pollute the way ur mind thinks.
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written by The One, February 08, 2008 06:40:54
dear Raja Petra,
arrogant comes from hatred.
i dont think if u base ur judgement with love that u would become arrogant.
u said PKR is base on hatred, and that all they do is targeting the weakness of the gov, and in the end, even their supporter would get tired of it.
But, isnt that is what this blog is about too?
and would ur readers get tired of hearing what is wrong with our country, but nothing's been done, that maybe one day, ppl just begin to accept this situation.

u think u unite ur readers under love?
think again...
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written by The dragonheart, February 08, 2008 06:48:41
Daryl,
Did I said one should force his religion on others? What I said was Religion and Politics are holistic in nature. Can UMNO, whose majority members are Muslim, can omit religion from its campaign? If majority of the people choose not to be secular in their personal lives would the secular party gets the support from the people who don't want to be secular? I believe almost 50% of Malaysian are Muslims, if 30% of the Muslims who are eligible to vote choose not to be secular, would the party omit religion in their political struggle?

secularism was originally developed within a Christian context and for the sake of preserving peace among Christians.The concept that there is a difference between the spiritual and political realm can be found right in the Christian New Testament. Jesus himself is cited as advising listeners to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's".

The widespread secularization was not caused by devoted Christians who were aghast at the devastation caused by the religious wars that swept across Europe in the wake of the Reformation. Over the long run, the Church came to be excluded more and more from political affairs as the people found that they appreciated having a realm of action and thought where they could be free from ecclesiastical authorities. This, in turn, led to an even greater separation between church and state.

Take note: I did not say Secularism does not believe in the existence of God. They do but they divide a line between What is God's and what is their's.

Secularism is no doubt contradicts Islam in every aspect. They are two different paths that never meet; choosing one means rejecting the other. Hence, whoever chooses Islam has to reject secularism. Secularism makes lawful what Allah has made unlawful.This is wrong in Islam.The Rule of Allah (Shari`ah) is compulsory and has basic laws and regulations that cannot be changed.Secularism is based on separating religion from all the affairs of this life and hence, it rules by law and regulations other than Allah's laws. Hence, secularism rejects Allah's rules with no exception and prefers regulations other than Allah's and His Messenger's. In fact, many secularists claim that Allah's laws might have been suitable for the time they were revealed but are now outdated.

As a result, most of the laws governing the daily affairs of life in the countries ruled by secular systems contradict Islam. Allah says (5:50): "Do they seek a judgment of Ignorance? But, who, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allah?" In this ayat Allah is denouncing those who reject His ruling and accept other rulings that are not based on the Shari`ah of Allah. Whoever does so is indeed a non-believer. Indeed, belief in Allah can never go with the acceptance of other than His rulings in one's heart. Allah says (5:44): "If any do fail to judge by what Allah has revealed, they are non-believers."

The status of secularism and its relation to Islam are clear. But the ignorance about the Islamic truth is still dominating the Muslim's mind. Most secular systems repeat slogans like "no religion in politics and no politics in religion" or "religion is for Allah, and the state is for the people." Such sayings portray their view of Islam as a religion to be practiced in the mosque only, and that it should not be allowed to rule life outside the mosque. Furthermore, they try to deceive people with democratic slogans like "personal freedom" and "people governing people." That means that people come first and no place is made for the ruling of Allah.

This is why for me I stand on my rock by saying secularism is clear Kufr, and this is why I say secular systems have no legality and authority and should be rejected by Muslims, Insya'Allah.

For you,Daryl, I respect your stand but I cannot agree with you for the sake of my religion. Period.
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written by The dragonheart, February 08, 2008 06:52:21
Sorry: 3rd paragraph should read: The widespread secularization was caused by devoted Christians...
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written by vineeth menon, February 08, 2008 08:20:52
written by The One, February 08, 2008 | 06:40:54
dear Raja Petra,
arrogant comes from hatred.
i dont think if u base ur judgement with love that u would become arrogant.
u said PKR is base on hatred, and that all they do is targeting the weakness of the gov, and in the end, even their supporter would get tired of it.
But, isnt that is what this blog is about too?
and would ur readers get tired of hearing what is wrong with our country, but nothing's been done, that maybe one day, ppl just begin to accept this situation.

u think u unite ur readers under love?
think again...
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Dear the one...
Let me give my views on this..
Malaysia Today is not a hate site nor a love making site ..
This is news portal/alternate media with different views.
Many are given the privilege to comment is to have a better brainstorming of the suject matter and this will enable everybody to evaluate the pros and cons..
If this is misused/misunderstood by anybody for hate/love making portal, then it must be an error.
It is very complicated and is the opinion/view only of the writer based on his/her knowledge and experience.This does not mean its correct/wrong and hence its subjected to commenting and further discussing.Even the question , who is GOD? is subjected to the matter of understanding based on each belief system.You could even face a group says, there is no god.

So called great religious teachers here should remember one thing. First understand your own religion first before condemning other religion.Or else.. keep quiet..Its acceptable to say good about other religion even though you have little knowledge but not bad..

Just my views, even this is open for any of you all to rebuke.
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written by JUST, February 08, 2008 09:43:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpsF_0-ta_A
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written by Raja Petra, February 08, 2008 10:04:32
I just love it when Muslims argue their point and offer 'proof' to support their point by saying Muhammad this and Muhammad that. Little do they realise that there are many who do not even think Muhammad existed and was a myth created by some people just like Robbin Hood or Aladdin. Muslims need to find better ways of arguing their case. Imagine if someone was to argue a point home to Muslims by saying Jesus said this and Jesus said that. Would Muslims consider that argument 'solid'.
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written by Michael Sun, February 08, 2008 10:23:30
Many Chinese don't hate the Malays becos of NEP. We hate the manner the NEP has been hijacked for personal enrichment by the BNputras. Race relations were very good at the time of Merdeka but UMNO classified us as Bumi/Non-Bumis. Later we were further classified as Muslims/Non-Muslims. Now we even have Muslim Bumis and Non-Muslim Bumis. It is time we reclaim the true Malaysia from these UMNO racist zealots.

I think Chinese can live in a moderate Islamic country. But which type? Saudi, Taliban or Turkish style. You find more girls wearing mini-skirts in Turkey than a veil in Istanbul. You find more bikinis on the beaches of El-Sharm in Egypt than tudongs. Perhaps, Tok Guru should have a visit at these places instead of introducing 5th Century Medina Arab culture and practices in Malaysia.

PAS shot themselves in the foot. After capturing Trengganu,they became arrogant and side-lined PKR instead of sharing the "bounties". They started declaring they want an Islamic state and frightened the shit out of non-Muslims. PAS must understand that Sarawak and Sabah have lots of Christians there and when they joined Malaya to form Malaysia, Islamic State was not part of the deal. Therefore, the political reality is that they cannot form an Islamic state. We can make use of Islamic values which are also universal values to govern. It is a question of "branding" and the BN thro the MSM has painted PAS black (or Islamic green) and DAP got painted together with them. As a result even DAP's icons Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh lost their seats in Parliament.

Whatever it is, let us pray that God will intervene in this coming General Election. HE brought down the walls of Jericho so can we, in prayers, in bringing down the wall of UMNO/BN.

Chinese need not fear the UMNO's threat of May 13. UMNOputras will lose more if there is a May 13 now. 55% of market capitalisation of Bursa Malaysia are controlled by them. 8 out of 10 banks are controlled by them. They have more wives and children to feed than the Chinese whose children have mostly working overseas.

Vote wisely. Vote for Change. "Just Change It" -DAP election slogan
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written by sheppardlight, February 08, 2008 15:42:40
RPK, Just to share some happy thoughts. You really made me smile about the myth you wrote.I think you have just helped me answer many things.
My parents are not muslims an indian and a chinese. I was born so confused, and im still confused. So i started reading so many to find answers about god, including the quran. I find so many similarities in all, but spoken in different MYTH. Yes thats the answer, even god speaks using metaphors. Im so happy. Many thanks again.

Now, lets vote and change.
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written by The dragonheart, February 10, 2008 16:30:50
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hahaha this is real funny
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written by talk2stop, February 10, 2008 17:28:59
The people are the boss that report to UMNO.
What I learn from RPK article and responds the election can be said "over and done". I can't see many UMNO & BN MPs becoming unemploy after the election. Can't see who can do a "better" job?
Malaysians should resign to that we have to wait for another 5 years. I think the closest you can get winning is with the current "softer" PM. If the current PM is replaced with another "Mahathir", you can kiss your luck goodbye.
I am confused and not knowing what Malaysians really really really want from life. You get what you deserved.
HAPPY VOTING....
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written by grant, February 11, 2008 09:01:25
hey guys.... some of u pls get ur facts right before u start shooting aimlessly...

Semuaok - obama won not because of black votes. u are partially right only. u think America has 50% of black population? he won in carolina no doubt because it is populated with blacks. but wat abt other states where the blacks are the minorities? the only reason why democrats irregardless obama or hillary is doing so well because they are tired with republicans esp bush. who wudnt? only knows and keeps attacking the middle east. on the other hand, mccain is doing well for his party because the republicans hv not learned their lesson well enough. they think he will do better than bush but that is definitely not right.

as i commented in why i kick ass article, no party in their right frame of mind will contest in a losing constituency. If I am a Chinese, I wont be contesting in a 90% predominantly Malay constituency. Similarly, PAS will not field their candidate in a 70% Indian populated area. As RPK said, BN does not care who they field. They can field a Chinese in a Malay area or even an Indian or Malay. The only difference is the number of votes they will be winning. Problem is - BN supporters hv already pre set their mindset to BN. Everything is BN. Nothing but BN!

Fyi.. when I was based in a pre dominant Malay district back in 1998/1999, I voted for PAS.. though I am a DAP supporter. That is the truth!
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written by journeyman, February 12, 2008 12:19:33
"RPK, Just to share some happy thoughts. You really made me smile about the myth you wrote.I think you have just helped me answer many things.
My parents are not muslims an indian and a chinese. I was born so confused, and im still confused. So i started reading so many to find answers about god, including the quran. I find so many similarities in all, but spoken in different MYTH. Yes thats the answer, even god speaks using metaphors. Im so happy. Many thanks again."

happy now, rpk?
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written by AsamLaksa, February 12, 2008 12:46:25
Joining the debate late as been busy...

PAS is a party of love... maybe... more likely than DAP or PKR. Nevetheless, what has PAS done to create a united opposition front?

I have no qualms about Islamic states that can protect the rights and equality of all the citizens. Malaysia can have it's own brand of Islamic state, different from Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc... but is Malaysia ready for it? The Islamisation of Malaysia is already happening. Like what you see so far? Would PAS do better and how would they do it differently? What of Lina Joy or Mr. Gan? As long as PAS can't address this effectively with the non-Muslims, it's a long shot to get most of their votes.

And please quit it about what the Quran says or what Muhammad says. Using these you are putting yourself in a position of Islam vs them. Think the non-Muslims care what they say? Hey, nice quotes by the way but... Just use reasoning that all can appreciate to get your points through and this have to work both ways. Don't alienate yourself. This also means if there is some points which challenge your beliefs, then you have to look deepr into it and not just argue for the sake of arguing (applies to everyone). Fixed ideas is one reason why BN is all powerful.

PAS will always be seen as an Islamic party for all their good intentions. I was disappointed with them when they announced their plans for an Islamic state without a feasible plan to carry it out. The effect of this is that they alienate the non-Muslims. Don't know why they did it. Maybe to wrest more Malay votes from UMNO. Maybe they are being honest and it's their main objective. Maybe they got arrogant after winning 1 or 2 states.

Whatever it is, PAS, DAP and PKR are ill-equiped to represent all Malaysians even if they won majority. Perhaps a new all inclusive party is needed but then again if they don't use the race or religion card, what are chances of getting the votes? Would Muslims vote for an all inclusive secular party? Why should non-Muslims be urged to elect an Islamic party when Muslims would not vote a secular party which someone here said is against his belief? Secularism to me is a compromise which pleases none and therefore I am not a big fan of it. It does however try to keep all religions on the level. But what are the alternatives? Show me something better.

So, we talk of voting the party with substance but there's not much substance on offer. We talk of voting PAS for the politics and not the religion but for PAS they are one and the same. We talk of DAP and PKR hating injustice but they have little plans for leading the country (maybe they are realists too). As I said in a previous post, Barisan Alternatif is not a good name.

Who to vote? Don't look at me for guidance - think for yourself.
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written by JJFoo, February 12, 2008 15:54:00
Dear RPK and all those who are concerned,

Another piece of fine work from you, well written. From your previous articles, other articles posted in MT and also through my own observation, in my own humble opinion, could not help but come to the following conclusions,

1)For the opposition just to win the next election - impossible.
2)For the opposition to win and govern effectively or let’s put it another way, number of voters expecting a new government to function/govern effectively- minority (majority would not even dare to consider to give the opposition a chance to govern, let alone to take this gamble)
3)Denying the 2/3 majority - near impossible.
4)Denying the 2/3 majority, eve with 55% vote for vote to the opposition - no guaranteed (due to gerrymandering, has been fully exploited by the ruling party).
5)For the opposition to work under a single unit - near impossible.

Seem like the oppositions are in a no-win situation. Possible scenario, oppositions take maybe 20~25% of the parliamentary seats this time, up from the previous 9.59% (that is a 100 to 150% increase). The opposition or “the people” may celebrate it as a “victory”. The ruling party may start lamenting about their poor performance but actually laughing “loudly” deep in their heart, they still have more than 2/3.

Personally this is unacceptable, expecting changes with 20~25% seat (if the opposition are lucky enough to get that much) divided by at least 4 opposition parties is unrealistic. Thing would be different if the figure is 40% or more, but than again not a very realistic expectation.

Seem like a “checkmate”. If we can acknowledge the above as facts, what other options do “the people” have? Please kindly contribute your idea.
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written by JUST, February 16, 2008 16:35:40
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written by JUST, February 16, 2008 17:30:13
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