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Thursday, 09 July 2009 13:33

We are deeply concerned that two Muslim men acting on false information that the Catholic Church was converting Muslims into Christians had recently entered a Catholic Church service for the purpose of gathering information as to whether this was occurring.

They were also investigating whether the word 'Allah' was being used in church services. These men participated in the church service and even took part in the rituals that are strictly for Catholics and in doing so violated the sanctity of what Catholics hold very sacred. These men later wrote about their experience in an article entitled "Tinjaun Al Islam Dalam Gereja:Mencari Kesahihan Remaja Murtad" which was published in the May 2009 issue or the Al Islam magazine.

The men had consumed the 'communion' which is a white wafer which is blessed by the Priest in a Catholic ritual that dates back 2000 years. Via this ritual the 'white wafer' is supernaturally transformed into what Catholics believe to be Jesus Christ and when consumed allows Catholics to experience life after death. The 'communion' is held with great reverence and cannot in any way be mishandled or with a lack of respect. Even Catholics are not allowed to take home the 'communion' but are instructed to consume it immediately during the service. Catholics go through an elaborate process of preparing themselves to receive this 'communion' worthily and those who have not done so are advised to refrain from receiving it.

As such we are outraged that these Muslim men consumed it only to spit it out later, have it photographed and have its image published in the Al-Islam magazine. The total disrespect shown to what Catholics hold in closest to their hearts and believe to be most Holy strikes deep into our hearts and invokes much anger. While we are resolved not to allow anger to guide our actions and instead pray that these ignorant will be forgiven by the Allah, we want to know what has become of this most holy 'communion' and demand its immediate return to the church authorities.

We are further outraged that these Muslim men have violated our sense of privacy to freely worship. Would these men tolerate non-Muslims entering the mosque and violating the sanctity and holiness of their worship? We believe that all places of worship and the form of worship practiced in these places must be respected with the greatest sensitivity and reverence be they the church, mosque, temple or gurdwaras. Entering these premises with the intention to spy and worse to violate the sanctity of the worship only serves to incite anger and hatred that could lead to potentially dangerous consequences that would tear this country apart.

As such, as concerned Catholics, we have made a police report at the Patani Road Police station on 8th July 2009 and thereafter held a press conference at the same place. We requested that the police investigate this matter with great urgency and bring to books those responsible for acting to incite hate and resentment among the Catholic Community. We also call on the police to investigate both the Al-Islam magazine and the writers of the article.

Joachim Francis Xavier & Sudhagaran Stanley

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written by asguard, July 09, 2009 13:49:40
Don't worry about them, they will their punishment from almighty someday.
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written by Fight4Justice, July 09, 2009 13:54:37
When have those cheap buggers respected any other religion?
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written by wes wong, July 09, 2009 13:55:12
As RPK wrote before, plenty of muslims just play pretend by going to prayers and pray.
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written by garuda, July 09, 2009 14:04:16
Love them that hate you, they dont know what they are doing which seems pretty obvious so lets forgive them and let the lord have his say with them, let us not judge or we will be judged, e live in times which is most unsure, thank god we are still able to have what we need
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written by thegodfather, July 09, 2009 14:08:19
If the government is fair these two racists should be arrested and put away under the ISA. But for all I know they may be hailed as national heroes and awarded medals.
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written by Surrhead, July 09, 2009 14:09:04
I am a saudara baru....Can someone provide me with on how to get in touch with these *******s from Al Islam (any webpage) or AL Islam itself??? I am in the mood to give a piece or 2 of my mind.......
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written by Surrhead, July 09, 2009 14:27:15
Majalah Al Islam adalah majalah berunsur Islam yang diterbitkan oleh Utusan Karya Sdn Bhd, anak syarikat Utusan Melayu (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd. (Shitload)...As expected,
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written by densemy, July 09, 2009 14:42:38
Muslims are paranoid... their paranoia stems from the insecurity induced in them as children to 'encourage' them believe
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written by densemy, July 09, 2009 15:03:00
Yeah... when your a muslim there always has to be someone more paranoid/corrupt/narrow minded/ than you
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written by Surrhead, July 09, 2009 15:08:30
Maisur,
that's international......nothing much can be done except send loads of comments on it's abuse....Or maybe the citizens of US should protest in front of FBI building as Islam is ridiculed.....BUT in Malaysia, it's still within our control and we have the right to tap the wrongs....Mawi, knowing Malaysia, if your statements are true, there would sure to be chaos if Islam is ridiculed openly...And we are not here to get used to these things BUT rather learn to respect other religions (THIS GOES TO ALL RELIGIONers...muslims, christians, hindus and all the others who get tensed looking for a fight rather than a resonable intelligent talk)......and i have my plans to talk to the Al-Islam reporters, if given the chance....
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written by jstom98, July 09, 2009 15:10:07
The CBS news item is about terrorist related activities - which is a security issue. Nothing in common with the local issue.
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written by maisur, July 09, 2009 15:17:25
densemy,
good. now you admit that there always has to be someone more paranoid/corrupt/narrow minded than the muslims. since you admitted it...just swallow it!

surrhead,
i was merely replying to densemy when he blanketly accused "the muslims" as a whole. if he is less "capoi" and try to narrow down his broad accusation, then you would expect me to narrow down the issue to malaysia only





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written by Surrhead, July 09, 2009 15:30:59
Mawi, if you have a link or a newspage ridiculing Islam, please post it on as i plan to talk to those a******s too
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written by Wisdom above, July 09, 2009 15:40:34
Bless them, Do not curse.
Feed them if they are hungry.
Give them a drink if they are thirsty.
Let's Fast and Pray for Wisdom, Revelation, Peace and Tranquility to prevail.
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written by maisur, July 09, 2009 15:45:26
dear surrhead,
how about talking to the sarawak tribune editor who reproduced the very insulting prophet muhammad cartoons?

takkan dah lupa kot?

and as a reminder, the newspaper was based in malaysia.
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written by aryn, July 09, 2009 15:46:37
For the two men who partake in the communion, may God have mercy on your souls.

Had it been the other way round, there would have been bloodshed. But many Christians, I am sure choose to pray over you two that the Lord would lead you to the Way, the Truth and he Life. Peace to all.
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written by 1351, July 09, 2009 15:48:25
Seems like there are no limits to the madness, violating the sanctity of a place of worship.

Muslim authorities under UMNO(statutory or self proclaim) of late, never fail to exert their position and all for wrong reasons. And as political currency, UMNO has encouraged many a number of ulamaks, we see today the emergence of a clergy class to rival that of PAS.

Worse than narrow minded densemy, these so called champions of Islam we hear a lot of today. Let me relate a tale that might question anything but good work that these champions of Islam fail to do.

My step mum is fairly comfortable in her wonder years, not in need of wants and does social work with her time. One of her projects/charity is the funding of safe house/s to provide food and shelter to young girls who find themselves in a compromising situation.

These safe houses provide the necessary care for single girls who often don't have other avenues where they can turn to for help and who can blame them. The stigma placed on an expectant mother is made worse if she is a Muslim and let me tell you first hand, the number of Malay girls that have found shelter in this charity out number girls from other races.

I'm not there to judge and the many volunteers who help staff the safe houses all play a role providing a safe surrounding and a guiding hand when needed. The expectant mother is advised to raise the child but many a time, there is no reconciliation between expectant mother and her family, forcing the need to find a foster family. This being M'sia, where the single Muslim girl is more likely ostracised, the last thing she wants is to face the wrath of Muslim authorities.

I see with my own eyes, and far from judging the conduct of religious bigot that surrounds those observant, I feel they could do much better. There is so much more JAKIM could do instead of facilitating their role to help UMNO disrupt society as we know it.

Regards as always.
Casper
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written by wongnoball, July 09, 2009 15:54:37
Well that is good...hope they get converted or the alternative will be Burn in Hell...message also simple for their no otak brain to comprehend......We are breaking thru the Muslim Iron wall crap....they fear the TRUE one! Otherwise why would such Lunacy occur...More Muslim now should convert out of Islam, they do not want you to HEAR the TRUTH.....in spite of RTM and MSM daily attempt to Brain wash you ...your eyes tells you Islam UMNO is doing too much wrong to feel right with God...and trust your instinct......you are right...the more you go to church the more you know who is at Peace with God!! smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
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written by carribeanking7, July 09, 2009 16:27:20
Please dont refer to them as Muslim men, I have many Muslim friends who will distance themselves from such unsavoury characters.
many thought that the Al-Islam publication was liberal, well apparently not.
As it happens Al-Islam is under Utusan publishing, and we all know Utusan is a crappy publication linked to UMNO.
There is no need to denigrate Islam because of the shenanigans of some ignorant people.

Vijay Kumar Murugavell
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written by sara, July 09, 2009 18:04:05
christianity@christians not only preach about love and peace but they are the living as such. As a religion that is preaching forgiveness ,may god have mercy on these two.By the way, I was wondering if any body from Malaysia have accepted Sina's Challenge?
Yesterday, a teacher from told me a story about MJ.The pupils in her class are all muslims.The one and ONLY info they know about MJ is, he is converted to Islam.So, she being the die hard MJ fan,started to ask her pupils and I take this oppurtunity to ask the same here.
1.Did you witness the ceremony?
2.DO you know any of his songs?
3.Did he acheive all his popularity as a muslim or christian or etc?
4.Do you know his achievement in his this 50 years?
5.Which is greater, his 50 years life as christian or his 6 months stay?
6.Why he has been addressing people with folded hand like a Hindu?
7.Why he wore a red thread or cloth on his hand even during his last rehearsal?
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written by BobSam, July 09, 2009 18:34:52
Sara
MJ was not a Christian. He & his family are Jehovah's Witnesses.
They do not believe in Jesus & accept Jesus as the Doorway to God.
Plz dont bring MJ's religion into this discussion.
Thanks.
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written by BobSam, July 09, 2009 18:35:59
Correction: Jermaine married a Moslem girl, and converted (He is a Moslem).
If Jermaine was a Christian, or a Jew, he would not have had to convert.
Only in M'sia, the conversion is required for People of the Book.
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written by Bandit, July 09, 2009 19:32:17
The only religion that need "police"......to keep them in line....LOL smilies/grin.gif
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written by sarawakian, July 09, 2009 20:38:11
seems a lot of Christians/ Catholics here are no different than those Muslim extremists. i guess it doesn't matter what religion you profess if the common denominator is that you have extremist thinking.

maybe these Christians should really pay attention to the sermons in church before condemning those two suspects with hell and misfortune. who besides God can determine what will happen to them. as the wise ones said, just pray for them and beg forgiveness from God on their behalf.

even as Christ was being crucified, he begged his Father to "forgive them, for they know not what they are doing".

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written by jstom98, July 09, 2009 20:39:33
The judgment of God will be upon those who make fun of the Holy things of God.
1 Corinthians 11 : 27 - 29

Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
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written by sara, July 09, 2009 20:46:22
To all: What is Jehovah's Witnesses.
Follow the links below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses#Jesus_Christ
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2001/06/What-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Believe.aspx

I just use MJ as an example how pure their love is towards mj.If I am right not long ago a blog had been publishing photo of MJ compared to an ape,but the moment rumours started that he converted, all the bad things about him dissapear.I am saying this to point out that some people cannot love others for what they are.A human being love another human being.This people will first see who they want to love,their religion,their race their language and etc.For me this people are not human being at all.
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written by Sabahfan, July 09, 2009 22:47:55
THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE PROOF HOW INSECURE SOME MOSLEMS ARE OF THEIR OWN RELIGION...

I ADVICE THEM BETTER TO FIGHT AND LEAVE YOUR STUPID RELIGION
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written by asiana888, July 10, 2009 00:45:55
Hello Mawi,

If we were to learn from you muslims ... as you have put it! We will be frothing in our mouths ... running amok in the street and burning shops ... and putting on bomb vests. Sorry la ... we have nothing to learn from muslims (Iraq, Pakistan and closer to home Pattani is already fearful enough) ... thank you.

We would rather learn from Martin Luther King .... sabar!!!
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written by rocky, July 10, 2009 02:16:22
if it was done in a mosque, things would be chaotic and utusan will have a field day. lets face the facts, there will be threats to go amok etc. yes there are many sensible muslims unfortunately they are usually a silent majority.

as for the Christians, take it n your strides. You need to show how you will behave towards this case and set an example. Remember what jesus said, give him your other cheek...or something like that. Forgive them lo.
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written by imanj, July 10, 2009 04:02:41
To all Catholics,as a muslim-convert who was of the Catholic faith from birth,I do apologise to all if such an intrusion had taken place.

This surely are people who act beyond the teachings of their religion.It is disrespectful whatever the circumstances to enter any place of worship with malicious intentions..

So that's why,while I stil breathe with "GOD's" permission,I choose to keep my faith in my heart for me,my daughter and husband.We live in a world so cruel to itself and I choose not to allow the layman to dictate to me.

Peace to all good man...

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written by sara, July 10, 2009 15:04:25
To imanj,
I am just curious, are you a convert by choice or by marriage?You said ,I choose to keep my faith in my heart for me,It make me wondering.Can we be in touch.I am interested to get a first hand info on convertee.
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written by cheekhiaw, July 11, 2009 00:46:24
HOLY ESPIONAGE

Allah spying on Jesus.... so godly.

xxx
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written by Sutha, July 11, 2009 23:08:20
imanj,

you may have converted to being a muslim but you heart and mind are still that of a good catholic. That is why you want to apologise on behalf of the muslims for the intrusion. And look at the attitude of "original" muslims like mawi and maisur.

Probably, you should have remained a christian.

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