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Dear Erdogans, please don’t die now PDF Print
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Wednesday, 01 July 2009 10:24

My fear now is that the Erdogans will wilt for fear of earning the label of “tidak wala’”. The ten MPs who signed the statement protesting against the unity government have taken a very bold step to speak up. Nevertheless, the immediate response from PAS’ top brass to halt all discussions about unity government made it difficult for the Erdogans to continue their reform agenda, if they ever had one, without being seen as the enemies within. Even now the Erdogans are beginning to go quiet.

Wan Saiful Wan Jan, The Malaysian Insider

The article by Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad MP (The Malaysia Insider, 30 June 2009, Gagasan pemikiran kerajaan perpaduan: Mana silapnya?) makes a very interesting read.  The way he presented his ideas shows just how risky it is to speak up against the top brass in PAS.

Just look at the top half of Dzulkefly’s article. Even though he is a member of PAS’ central committee, he had to write twelve paragraphs just to justify opening his mouth. It was as if in PAS, freedom of expression exists only if you can justify it.

Obey, or else…

But the most telling parts are paragraphs six and nine. In paragraph six, he said disagreeing with the party’s President is not disobedience (tidak wala’). This is a very important point to note about the culture of the party.

Those who joined PAS in the understanding that PAS is an Islamic movement, especially  would know how much effort is made to implant the concept of obedience (wala’) into our heads. If one were accused of being disobedient to the leaders (tidak wala’ kepada pimpinan), one would be sidelined very quickly. Criticising the leadership in public could easily earn you the label of “tidak wala’”. For a politician in the party, it could be a career killer.

It is therefore understandable for Dzulkefly to be cautious. Just to be on the safe side, when he pens his thoughts in that article, people must know that he has a religious argument why it is not disobedient (tidak wala’).

And then in paragraph nine he went on to say that Hadi is a statesman. Hadi proposed the unity government agenda out of his great wisdom and love of the country. Dzulkefly even went on in the next few paragraphs to provide a half-hearted defence of the unity government proposal.

Dzulkefly’s praise of Hadi’s ‘statesmanship’ and his attempt to semi-justify the unity government proposition are painful to read. I don’t know if he even believes in what he wrote because the bottom half of the article more or less rubbished Hadi’s ideas and so-called ‘wisdom’.

READ MORE HERE: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com.my

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written by Milo, July 01, 2009 11:26:55
Religious hypocrisy at work is all what we need to know. If PAS willingness to sleep with UMNO is religiously okay with PAS leaders, what do this action tells us of Islam tenets and principles? They might as well tell everyone that in Islam it is okay to sell your principles when grabbing power is at stake! The ends justify the means - and that is Islam about? Okay, we get it now!
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written by Perak Boy, July 01, 2009 14:45:40

This Wan Saiful Wan Jan's view cannot be taken seriously. Just because he is a Director General of the Malaysia Think Tank and a Mursyid in HIZBI, his view cannot be taken outright as though he knows PAS (in/out) better than the members of PAS themselves. His analysis was almost totally made out of Dr. Zulkifli’s writings and assessed from his understanding of what Dr. Zulkifli’s was saying, personally.

Yes, in the past you never or perhaps unlikely to hear any lower rangking office bearers critizised or announced their disagreements/discontents publicly. Not that they hadn’t put forward their discontent or dissenting views, but all were done in the meetings, be it in the Central Committee or other meetings held at Pusat or Kawasan. Where there was any announcement or press statement to be made, it was done through the PAS President himself or his deputy, the Mursyidul Am and the Ketua Penerangan at Pusat. Certain issues you may heard it coming from the State Commissioners, as appropriate. Hence, you only hear the final decision coming from PAS as a single voice.

In the past, where matters are of very important, the President himself offered the ordinary members to give their collective views. This was done at all cawangans’ meetings and forward to Kawasan to form the collective view of the members of that constituency. And collective views of all the Kawasans were later submitted to the Pusat for a special committee and the President to arrive a final decision.

To all members of PAS, I am sure you still remember when PAS was to decide whether to open it’s membership to other races of different faith. The late President, Allahyarham Fadhil Noor instructed that the ordinary members give their views as well. I don’t remember such things happened in UMNO.

Being a member of UMNO once and later joint PAS and holding the post of S/U Cawangan and AJK Kawasan and Ketua Markaz PAS Zon, I can safely say that members are freely (without fear) to forward their views (be it in agreement or dissenting). However, being muslims ourselves and in line with Islamist Party, our dissenting views (if any) are presented with high respect and proper conduct. Despite of our disagreement, we PAS members always regard our fellow members (irrespective of post) as brothers and sisters. See yourself what happened to Tok Guru Nik Aziz (Mursyidul Am) and Ustaz Nasharuddin (Deputy President) lately. Despite those fiery words coming fron one to the other in the open, do you see them still fighting and treat each other as enemy?

I would suggest saudara Wan Saiful Wan Jan to pay a visit to PAS and interview personally with some of PAS leaders or perhaps members before making such an assumption.


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written by technoboy, July 01, 2009 14:48:06
PAS will surely doomed if they insist on working with UMNO crooks, all their credibility will be gone.
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written by temenggong, July 01, 2009 14:50:30
My post just disappeared. Censoring is back!
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written by maisur, July 01, 2009 15:38:03
dear perak boy,
the chinese and the indians know very well that they need PAS more than PAS needs them. without PAS' support, their struggle will go into oblivion. they will remain as the third class citizens almost indefinitely in this country (if i were them, i will pack my stuff and migrate to another country asap)

try to dispute the fact above if you dare.

with none of their support, PAS managed to win 27 seats in 1999, more than what PAS obtained in 2008. with the rapid demographic changes taking place in Malaysia right now, it is no brainer that the future struggle in this country is between PAS and UMNO (malay political power). the other parties will be merely reduced to spectators. wanna bet?

it is time for the chinese, the indians and DAP to choose side!
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written by fendyoasis, July 01, 2009 15:51:53
Milo,
U just jumped at any articles that criticized PAS dont you? Have U seen a mirror lately?

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written by Perak Boy, July 01, 2009 16:00:57
Thank you maisur for your responding.

No wonder RPK was so disappointed with most of the commentators here. They fail to realise that we (PAS) is not UMNO. We don' think like UMNO, We don't behave like UMNO. And we (PAS) are fighting hard to deny them the power that corrupts UMNO to the extreme. And the stupid thing about these people they just can't understand.

Sometimes I wonder what these people actually want. Are they wanting UMNO to be in power and treat them as pendatang all the years to come? By bashing at PAS all the time, do they honestly think it would help what they want?

Like you said maisur, if PAKATAN RAKYAT fail to deny UMNO in the GE13, they (these people) have themselves to be blame.

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written by No nonsense, July 01, 2009 17:46:40
Dear Perak Boy, One cant help feeling betrayed when your partner starts to have the idea of having things to do with your enemy. If DAP will to hold talks with MCA or Gerakan what will you think? Dont tell me it is all right. Think you all will be jumping like mad. I agree with you that not all PAS supporters are for it but dont forget some did bring this up . I do think some of them want to be like Amno. How many can be like Tok Guru? Hope you are one. All this time what is the aim of PR? Did you remember? To throw out the corrupt gorv. Instead of doing that some want to marry them. Hope you are not blind. I still respect what Tok Guru is and pray he will always be what he is. God bless him.
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written by Milo, July 01, 2009 23:47:56
Perak Boy, stupidity is not determined by going berserk on rhetorics but by looking at the facts. If I am stupid for critizing the PAS-UMNO unity dialogue, then I am in the same league as your respected religious leader - Tok Guru Nik Aziz. Is he stupid for calling for those top PAS leaders who are involved to join UMNO-PAS unity talk to join UMNO?

fendyoasis, Milo, U just jumped at any articles that criticized PAS dont you? Have U seen a mirror lately?
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No, not just any article on PAS that I will jump to criticize - it should be any article that have shown a public leader is acting stupid or acted in betrayal of the rakyat that I will criticize... it just happens to be leaders of PAS lately. It was UMNO is the past, and could be DAP tomorrow. If PAS elects leaders who act against the rakyats' interest, then it would invite criticism, otherwise, why have MT? The mirror test you suggested is most suitable for those who acted hypocritically....have you offered that test to Hadi?

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written by Perak Boy, July 02, 2009 01:30:06


Dear No nonsense,

Thank you for responding.
Yes, I agree with you that one can't help feeling betrayed when your partner starts to have the idea of having things to do with the enemy. If you check my previous comments on these issues (unity talks/unity government) you would know that I was (and still is) against the move made by Haji Hadi and Nasharuddin, then.

The reasons being not only that PAS would breached the agreement with other member coalition parties in PR, but we (PAS) knows very well that UMNO doesn't have the will to change despite of what they say. If you follow closely you may find the difference between PAS and UMNO. There are a lot of differences although we happened to be of the same race and profess the same religion. UMNO practices MATLAMAT MENGHALALKAN CARA (the ends justify the means) and this is against Islam and we do not subscribe to that. That’s why UMNO couldn’t care less about the the kemungkaran (wrong doings) they did, disrespect rule of law, the doctrine of separation of powers and even the constitution it selft. But we (PAS) not only understand those concepts and principles, but subscribe to it as well. If not because of these, why would PAS took all the trouble to fight UMNO all these years since 1951? If PAS is crazy over the material things such as cabinet ministers and whatnot, don’t you think it is much easier to join UMNO itself rather than fighting against them?

Being malays ourselves, we know better what UMNO is and need not be reminded again, and again, and again .. especially via bashing. Let's face the fact that none of the member parties in the Pakatan Rakyat is perfect and free from all these problems. The downfall of Perak’s PR government was due to the ‘katak lompat’ incidents of one from DAP and 2 1 from PKR. Did you hear PAS members or it’s leaders going berserk and making press statements here and there towards DAP and PKR? Come on .. be fairlah to us. We PAS know if we were to follow what Mr. Karpal Singh(DAP) did by making press statement which sounded so strong, it would NOT help PR but more so to raise discontent among ourselves. See what I mean?

Last but not least, now that PAS has made the announcement that we stick to PR, why STILL you people keep harping on this again and again?

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written by Perak Boy, July 02, 2009 01:54:57
Dear Milo,

If you check my previous(past) comments on these unity talk/unity government in MT you would know where I stand on these issues.

What got me angered is that you and some others seemed to be harping on these issues again and again although PAS has made the stand. This is what I call overkilled.

Not that I am so happy to use the word STUPITY over you but you seemed to fail to see that we (YOU and ME and OTHERS) happened to be on the same side figthing against UMNO. Why do we have to hit at each other? Isn't that is what UMNO wants?
May god bless you, my friend.



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written by Perak Boy, July 02, 2009 01:57:21
Typo error:
STUPITY to be read as .. STUPIDITY
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written by fendyoasis, July 02, 2009 12:44:35

Ei Milo,
There must be some kind of burning sensation on ur ass right now. OUCH! call all ur monkey friends to vote me down again, plleeaasee.
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written by Milo, July 03, 2009 01:30:25
Perak Boy, of course I know there are plenty of PAS members who are not on the side of the unity talk - just as there could be many UMNO members who are pro-rakyat. You should not worry too much about overkill on the issue - you should worry about top leaders of PAS voted in the members who would said aloud not once, but at least twice in betrayal of the Pakatan vision. The betrayal is all the more hurting BECAUSE we are all suppose to be on the same side! And please reexamine your reasoning my friend; it is precisely because this STUPID act of Hadi and Nasaruddin and gang that split Pakatan in the middle in favour of UMNO!
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written by Milo, July 03, 2009 01:34:14
fendyoasis, there is little to be said about you...your fatuity shows in the way you argue. It will be reflected in the mirror if you dare to peek. Perak boy is at least worth some effort debating with.
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