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"In Lina Joy's case, she is being prevented from leaving Islam, while the Ahmadiyya are being forcefully kicked out and yet are still liable to punishment by the Islamic authorities."

By Shanon Shah, The Nut Graph

In a letter to the Ahmadiyya dated 24 Apr 2009 made available to The Nut Graph, MAIS said, "If [the Ahmadiyya] fail to comply with, defy or neglect the directive, the council will take legal action without any notice."

In a statement, Ahmadiyya spokesperson Ainul Yakin Muhd Zain said, "We ... feel deeply hurt and aggrieved at this unjust action to deny us our right to perform our religious obligations."

MAIS issued its directive on the grounds that the Ahmadiyya mosque did not get the council's approval first.

In December 2008, Selangor religious exco Datuk Dr Hassan Ali said that he was willing to negotiate with the Ahmadiyya community over seizure of land which they used for their mosque.

Khalid Samad PAS Shah Alam chief and Member of Parliament Khalid Samad elaborated to The Nut Graph over the phone: "We should engage and discuss with the Ahmadiyya to understand their perspective."

According to Ainul, however, no such dialogue has taken place between Hassan and the Ahmadiyya community.

"Besides, he is only willing to talk about the issue of land, not the issue of our aqidah (belief system)," Ainul said in a phone interview today.

"The way the Pakatan Rakyat government is treating us is the same as how the Barisan Nasional treated us," Ainul added.

The Nut Graph was unable to reach Hassan, but Khalid said it was important to clarify the Ahmadiyya sect's status.

"There are 1,001 religions in the world, so if they declare themselves non-Muslim, then the solution is easy for us," he said.

"The problem is if they insist that they are still Muslims," he noted.

However, Ainul said, "It is ... incomprehensible to us that we are subjected to this kind of treatment, as firstly we have been declared non-Muslims."

In 1975, the Selangor Fatwa Council issued a fatwa declaring the Ahmadiyya sect non-Muslim.

The fatwa also said that ideally, if the Ahmadiyya did not "repent and return to the true teachings of Islam, they should be killed by the Imam which is the King".

Acknowledging, however, that this was not legally possible, the fatwa then recommended that the Ahmadiyya be stripped of all special Malay privileges.

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written by ahmadneil, April 28, 2009 20:26:39

We believe in freedom of religion and it's guaranteed under our constitution. What crap is this! many worship demons and shit.It's their business.

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written by Raja Chulan, April 28, 2009 20:37:58

There are, of course, many enlightened ‘Muslims’ in the world, but, unfortunately, the majority of them have little knowledge of the subject matter, and if they do know, are threatened by death if they contradict the majority. There are estimated over one billion ‘Muslims’ in the world today, most of whom do not understand the Arabic language or know much about Arab and Islamic histories. Since the Quran is written with a high standard of the Arabic language - which is difficult even for Arabic speaking people to fully comprehend - it is hence almost impossible to have it understood clearly by those who do not know the language.

People in Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, for instance, although they profess to be fervent ‘Muslims’, in reality do not know more than the invariably one sided explanations, misrepresentations and misinterpretations perpetrated upon them by their religious leaders (Ulama).

- IQ Al-Rassooli

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written by my oumrie, April 28, 2009 20:40:23

Why so much fuss over this sect but no fuss at all over the Sheikh Nazim (or is it Nizam) sect? I think the Sheikh Nazim sect is more deviant from Islam cos they treat him as next to god and kiss his feet when in his company. When asked by a British T.V. interview why he allows this feet kissing, he said his followers want to kiss even though he said "no". Yeh, right, he must enjoy having his feet kissed cos he never stopped his followers from doing this un-Islamic worshipping act. BTW, some members of a royal house are also staunch followers of this deviant sheikh.

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written by ahmadneil, April 28, 2009 20:42:18

The worst of all muslims are the bodohland muslims.They belongs to umno muslim sect!All of them are worship Ringgit instead of Allah!

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written by miwaki, April 28, 2009 21:04:18

I do not like to comment about something that I do not understand,but I believe in "freedom to choose",a subject of comtemporary economics propounded by the great economist Mr Milton Friedman.

Be righteous whichever religion you profess and you will be safe.

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written by Old Man, April 28, 2009 21:24:03

Any religion that is peaceful should be respected.

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written by lynn, April 28, 2009 21:40:01

"In Lina Joy's case, she is prevented from leaving Islam......"

Hate to rub this in, but let's face it: she has left Islam long time ago because her heart is no longer there.

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written by hamid, April 28, 2009 22:05:40

Acknowledging, however, that this was not legally possible, the fatwa then recommended that the Ahmadiyya be stripped of all special Malay privileges.

Now it is very clear, all the Muslim's are concern is they're religion not "race" or the "Ketuanan". What a bloody hypocrite!

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written by ST ALI, April 28, 2009 22:16:21

which is the true islamic teaching. there are more than 1000 versions of islam. so how can one say that they are true and the rest is wrong. everyone can interpret any religion in any way. thats why the are many denominations but one faith. no one can judge. let them belief in their version as long as they are not a threat. but then again ................

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written by michael chick, April 28, 2009 22:21:15

Here is a short list of all the available sects for browsing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_Islam

1.1 Sunni Islam
1.1.1 Schools of Fiqh (Law)
1.1.1.1 Hanafi
1.1.1.2 Maliki
1.1.1.3 Shafi'i
1.1.1.4 Hanbali
1.1.2 Schools of Aqidah (Belief)
1.1.2.1 Ash'ari
1.1.2.2 Maturidi
1.1.2.3 Murjite
1.1.2.4 Mu'tazili
1.1.2.5 Athari
1.1.2.6 Zahiri
1.1.3 Movements Within Sunni Islam
1.1.3.1 Barelwi
1.1.3.2 Deobandi / Tablighi Jamaat
1.1.3.3 Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimoon
1.1.3.4 Jamaat-e-Islami
1.1.3.5 Wahhabism or Salafism
1.1.3.6 Jamaat al-Muslimeen
1.2 Shi`a Islam
1.2.1 Twelver
1.2.1.1 Usulism
1.2.1.2 Alevism
1.2.1.3 Akhbarism
1.2.1.4 Alawism
1.2.1.5 Shaykhism
1.2.2 Ismailism
1.2.2.1 Nizari
1.2.2.2 Mustaali
1.2.2.3 Druze
1.2.3 Zaidi
1.3 Kharijite Islam
1.3.1 Ibadi
1.3.2 Sufri
2 Sufism
2.1 Qadiri
2.2 Bektashi
2.3 Chishti
2.4 Naqshbandi
2.5 Oveyssi
2.6 Suhrawardiyya
3 Other groups
3.1 Reformists
3.1.1 Islamism
3.1.2 Liberal
3.1.3 Qur'an Alone
3.2 Heterodox groups
3.2.1 Ahmadiyya
3.2.1.1 Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
3.2.1.2 Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement
3.2.2 Zikri
3.2.3 Nation of Islam
3.2.4 Moorish Science
3.2.5 Submitters
4 Related faiths
4.1 Bábism
4.2 Bahá'í Faith
4.3 Sikhism
4.4 Five Percenters
4.5 Nuwaubu

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written by Umno Slayer, April 28, 2009 22:28:32

What a shame !the Umno bn govt dont seem to understand anythings anymore- should as or listen to DR. Zakir Naik or Hussein Yee then or Abdul Rahim Green- Islam is the fastest growing religion on Earth.!!

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written by panca, April 28, 2009 22:58:18

Al umno.

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written by Aizad 234, April 28, 2009 23:42:34

to michael chick,

u forgot one more sect of Islam,... Islam Hadhari,the newest sect of all.hheheheh.
and Pak Lah is the founder ( how is Pak Lah doing? lama x nampak di TV.).

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written by Batangkali, April 29, 2009 00:02:26

What is wrong with Ahmadiya muslims ?

Its is probably better than UMNO muslims whose Koran is founded on the Ringgit, Seex, & Power.

Ahamadiya was founded before UMNO muslims, its is called Paki muslims or the real mamak muslims. At least they are Koran based.

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written by my oumrie, April 29, 2009 00:14:32

Everyones (Muslims & non Muslims) invited to attend talks by Ustaz Mohd Hussain Yee Abdullah at his organisation Al Khaadem in Jalan Cempaka, Sungei Kayu Ara. He teaches Islam based on the Qur'an & Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). English session every Sunday morning at 11am and a session in Bahasa Melayu every Monday evening after Isha prayers. There's extra classes,in English, every Wednesday morning at 10.30am, mainly for ladies but men are also welcomed. Come one, come all.

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written by Whatif, April 29, 2009 00:20:48

It is indeed sad that in these times and age, people could still be persecuted for their beliefs or non-beliefs.

What if this group declares itself non-Muslim, would they be free to practise their faith? I think not. They would not be allowed to use the mosque, not allowed to call Allah, could not go for Haj, etc, etc. The only peaceful way is to allow complete freedom of religion. Otherwise, people would be discriminated against, harassed, persecuted, incarcerated and everything not so nice.

Whenever such issues crop up, my heart aches for Makcik Kamariah Ali who is still languishing in prison, initially for being an apostate and then for not being convincing enough. If you do not wish people to leave the faith, jailing them is never the answer. You have to preach the goodness of the faith, show the compassion of your beliefs, demonstrate your love and humility; then people would not want to leave even if you force them.

For Allah's sake, let the poor old lady go in peace and live her remaining life in freedom. Would all righteous Muslims plead for her as Haris has fought for her?

So very very sad. I pray she finds peace in her solitude and not lose faith in humanity.

Amin/Amen.

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written by hamid, April 29, 2009 06:20:59

This is the problem when there is space to comment, sometimes people think it's okay to rape someone's wife and daughter or worship demons and shit. Destructive behaviour and comments are exactly what the much hated MAT REMPITS say and do. And some of you guys sound just like them. Maturity anyone???

Dear Nadal, don't you forget that the MAT REMPITS back ground is from true Islamic society, and not from demons or shit worshiper society !

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written by Pakyeh, April 29, 2009 07:35:38

There is a technical problem here.Ahmadiya is not Muslims because they belief in another prophet.However they can call themself Islam. In theori Allah sends prophets to teach Islam to every race.So if your phrophet is other than Muhammad just call yourself another name other than Muslims.
Lets unite under the banner if Islam.Any religion that does good and fobid evil is Islam.Allah's forgiveness is stated in AlQuran 6:22"Oh those who believe(Muslims), and those who are Jews,Christians and Sabians,whoever believes in Allah and the last day,and does right,surely their reward is with their Lord,and they shall not fear nor grieve."

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written by Fairminded, April 29, 2009 09:12:19

All these sects whether in Islam or Christianity or other religions showed one thing - it is not about GOD, it is about power, power over others. That is the reason why "religious" leaders founded sects so that they will be in charge of their flock. That, by extrapolation, meant that all organized religions, back to their founders can be called triads - more members meant more revenue and power. Why dont politicians leave religion alone to be the sole personal decission of the people. A clear separation of state and religion had to be enforced so that fake religious people cannot use God's name for their power grab.

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written by Admiral Tojo, April 29, 2009 16:49:05

Wah! so many GODs. Let these GODs fight amongst themselves lah. In the meantime do enjoy life to the max. Do not be carefree though.

Shalom

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written by Nadal, April 29, 2009 19:48:09

Sorry Hamid, MAT REMPITS are definitely not Islamic in behaviour.... Have to disagree with you there.

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written by rpremkumar2u, April 29, 2009 20:05:22

kiss his feet when in his company. When asked by a British T.V. interview why he allows this feet kissing, he said his followers want to kiss even though he said "no". Yeh, right, he must enjoy having his feet kissed cos he never stopped his followers from doing this un-Islamic worshipping ac Then how does one interpret Duli Yang Maha Mulia.. that's the dhul- dust of the sole of the feet?

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written by citizenmy, April 29, 2009 22:57:02

$$UMNO$$ worship is ok. Worshippers will see heaven on earth.

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written by temenggong, April 29, 2009 23:04:46

4 Related faiths
4.1 Bábism
4.2 Bahá'í Faith
4.3 Sikhism
4.4 Five Percenters
4.5 Nuwaubu

Sikhism? Five Percenters?

What about the ten percenters Samy told me about?

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written by Steven Ong, April 29, 2009 23:20:23

There is freedom of wordhip but not freedom of faith in Malaysia. All because of misguided self professed true Muslim. if they are really true Muslim who practice the teaching of the Quran, then the Quran should be carefully scrutinized and openly debated. But for the sake of peace ( because of the self righteous extremist) , we pray to the Almighty God, Who created the heaven and earth for guidance.

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