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The Gaza carnage and the undoing of the Zionist state PDF Print
Tuesday, 20 January 2009 08:34
The arch-imperialist, Winston Churchill, in making his rallying call to the US to take part in World War II concluded his speech to the US Congress with the following poem:

If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O, kinsmen! we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one death-blow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!

The poem encapsulates the essence of Palestinian resistance against the ongoing Israeli carnage against the people of Gaza. The Zionists and their US and European backers have simply not grasped the fundamental historical truth that where there is oppression there will be resistance. Neither have the quisling Arab leaders understood this truth as they hide under the protective umbrella of their imperial masters against the rising tide of solidarity for the Palestinians vocally expressed by the Arab masses across the Middle East.

The Zionists have proven to be masters of perception management and have a compliant international media through which they churn out their full-spectrum propaganda. They have parasitically advanced their cause on the back of a history of pogroms and the holocaust perpetrated by Europeans against the Jewish people. Their well oiled propaganda machine has managed to turn the aggressor (Israelis) into victim and the victim (Palestinians) into aggressor with the settler/colonizer Israeli state expanding its territory with each round of attack against the Palestinians and the neighboring Arab states.

This continuing victimhood narrative which Israel effectively spews out to the world is plainly a big lie. The principle justification for its ongoing war crimes in Gaza is that Hamas has been firing Qassam rockets on its southern towns and that Hamas, a terrorist organization, has not agreed to renew the ceasefire because it does not accept the existence of Israel, as spelt out in Hamas’ political charter.

To begin with, during the so-called ceasefire the Israelis made provocative incursions into Gaza as and when they liked and killed Hamas activists and civilians. More importantly and glaringly, the one and a half million people of Gaza have been herded into an area 40 kilometers by less than 10 kilometers, the most densely populated area in the world, with all access by land, sea and air controlled by Israel. Any Gazans wanting to leave would have to go through the Israeli controlled border and they have invariably been denied exit. The Guardian on 7 January interviewed a lady teacher of English whose relative had been just killed by an Apache helicopter gunship. She said, ” I’ve tried to leave Gaza for the past two years, but every time I’ve tried to leave we’ve been turned back from the crossing.”

This is a siege of one and a half million people. It is the largest concentration camp in the world with all medical supplies, food, fuel, electricity and all other necessities of life controlled by Israel. These items are allowed in drips and drabs in accordance with Israel’s whims, prompting the Israeli peace activist,  Uri Avnery, to observe, “Some time ago I wrote that the Gaza blockade was a scientific experiment designed to find out how much one can starve a population and turn its life into hell before they break. This experiment was conducted with the generous help of Europe and the US. Up to now, it did not succeed. Hamas became stronger and the range of the Qassams became longer. The present war is a continuation of the experiment by other means…”

On the collapse of the ceasefire, Uri Avnery wrote, ““As a matter of fact, the cease-fire did not collapse, because there was no real cease-fire to start with. The main requirement for any cease-fire in the Gaza Strip must be the opening of the border crossings. There can be no life in Gaza without a steady flow of supplies. But the crossings were not opened, except for a few hours now and again. The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.”

Under these circumstances, Israel’s claim that it is not an occupying power in Gaza as it pulled out voluntarily is another big lie. The pulling out of troops from Gaza while continuing the blockade imposed on land, sea and air on Gaza makes the pullout an empty gesture to serve Israeli propaganda. Hamas has just issued a statement that the Palestinians will be killed slowly through the siege as has been going on for some time, or they will be killed quickly through the ongoing military action by the Israelis. Either way is unacceptable and the UN resolution crafted by the US, France and Britain with the Arab quislings must include the lifting of the siege for the ceasefire to be meaningful.

When you are blockaded in a concentration camp such as Gaza, resisting by any means available is a most natural and justifiable act. In a widely televised BBC series on the Nazi concentration camps in the 70s, one of the main themes was the Jewish resistance in the concentration camps. Their weapons of choice did not include equivalents of Qassam rockets, but I dare say if the resistance had such weapons they would have rightly fired the rockets at the Germans. No doubt the Nazis would then have excused the holocaust on the grounds that the Jews had fired rockets at their people, just as Israel is justifying the ongoing holocaust of Palestinians because of the rockets fired on Israel by Hamas.

But consider the impact of these home-made rockets on Israel. In six years of rocket fire nine Israelis were killed. The maximum range then was Sderot. In the same period more than six hundred Palestinians, mostly civilians, were butchered by Israeli bombs and missiles fired from sophisticated helicopter gunships and artillery rounds fired from Markeva tanks called ‘god’s chariots’ by the Israelis. In the current conflict when Hamas fired eighty rockets before the invasion and hundreds of rockets since then, only five Israelis have been killed as against over 700 Palestinians deaths and still mounting, 30% of these deaths being children, and over three thousand injured, not to mention the starvation and humiliation inflicted on them by Israel before the invasion. If the civilized world absolved itself from allowing the holocaust of Jews to take place on the grounds that they did not know, they certainly do not have the same excuse as the holocaust is taking place before our very eyes under the full glare of the international media.

In international law as well as moral doctrine, proportionality is a fundamental issue. The principle of ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’ is found in the scriptures of Jews, Christians and the Koran. This remedy is very well explained by Reza Aslan in his excellent book on Islam, ‘No God but God’, as establishing proportionality long before the rule of law and modern jurisprudence brought forth more humane remedies. Unfortunately, God’s chosen people now ruling the terrorist state understand this to mean ‘one hundred eyes for one eye of the chosen ones’.

Hamas was elected by the Palestinian people in a most democratic election conducted in the region and verified by international observers. The Israelis and the US did not accept the choice of the Palestinian people from the very outset; colonizers always assume they know better who the colonized should choose as their leaders. They only accept leaders who serve the interests of Empire, the major stakeholder in the region. The totally compromised leadership of Fatah after the death of Yasser Arafat made this election outcome inevitable. The Israelis and the US/European leaders prefer Mahmoud Abbas for his ‘moderate’ and ineffective position.

No meaningful concessions have been made to him for his moderation either as Israel has continued to expand settlements on the West Bank against international law. Of some 160 Israeli checkpoints on the West Bank only three have been dismantled. Incursions to abduct and detain Palestinians are carried out routinely, including elected representatives and the Speaker of the Palestinian Assembly. More than 10,000 political prisoners, including children, are held by Israel and many of them tortured. On none of these violations has Mahmoud Abbas any bargaining power. The most popular Fatah leader among the Palestinians, Marwan Barghouti, is imprisoned by Israel so that Mahmoud Abbas will have a free run. Like a poodle, the Israelis and the West bring their favourite puppet to conferences around the world to ‘negotiate’ one plan or another to establish a Palestinian Bantustan. No wonder Ariel Sharon described Abbas as a plucked chicken. Is it any surprise then that the Palestinian people opted for Hamas leadership.

Hamas has made a very clear offer to Israel to withdraw to the 1967 borders in exchange for a long term ceasefire during which period negotiations will be conducted on the main contentious areas such as the right of return by Palestinians, permanent boundaries and so on. There is implicit recognition of a de-facto Israeli reality and is a very generous offer as such negotiations would lead to the likely removal of items in the Hamas political charter deemed contentious by Israel. The PLO charter too contained the de-Zionising, or destruction, of Israel as its objective, but this was later removed during the protracted negotiations.

This latest atrocity on Gaza with the full support of the US and most European governments, against the democratic opinion of their people who have been demonstrating all across Europe against Israeli war crimes, will certainly not succeed in destroying Hamas. It is as bad a miscalculation as was the attack against Lebanon. Any settlement must now include the lifting of the blockade against Gaza and having Hamas at the negotiating table.

Internationally, Israel is rightly reviled by the people for its neo-Nazi policies. It is also reviled for its war mongering in the region throughout its existence as a state. The New York Times reported today (10 January 2009) that, “George W. Bush rejected a plea from Israel last year to help it raid Iran's main nuclear complex…Israel's request was for specialized bunker-busting bombs that it wanted for an attack that tentatively involved flying over Iraq to reach Iran's major nuclear complex at Natanz, where the country's only known uranium enrichment plant is located…” According to the Times online edition, “Bush decided against an overt attack based on input from top administration officials such as Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who believed that doing so would likely prove ineffective and could ignite a broader Middle East war.”

Israel made the push for permission to fly over Iraq for an attack on Iran following its anger over a U.S. intelligence assessment in late 2007 that concluded Iran had effectively suspended its development of nuclear weapons four years earlier.”

Israel is also a serial violator of UN Security Council resolutions, having the distinction of violating the most number of resolutions and twice the number of violations committed by Saddam Hussein, ironically from a body that legitimized its statehood.

 The quisling Arab governments in the pockets of the Israelis and the US will continue to dance to the tune of their paymasters, but the Palestinian resistance will in due course, sooner rather than later, put a stop to the war crimes.

The Zionists in their propaganda endeavors have successfully taken from the pages of the Nazis. Who could deny the Israeli propaganda in their recent blitzkrieg on Gaza has all the ingredients found in Nazi speeches such as the following: “I shall give a propagandist cause for starting the war. Never mind whether it is plausible or not. The victor will not be asked, later on, whether he told the truth or not. In starting and waging a war, it is not Right that matters but Victory. Have no pity. Adopt a brutal attitude...Right is on the side of the strongest.” --Adolph Hitler, 09/22/39, Speech to high officers.

Incidentally, the poem quoted above was plagiarized by Churchill. It was written by a Jamaican-born Afro-American, Claude McKay, and twenty years before it was read in Congress by Churchill the Justice Department had censored it and Congress denounced it as inflammatory and seditious. In a few days, a black President will sworn in. Regardless of how he will perform, that remains to be seen, it is nevertheless a historic occasion and the long resistance by Afro-Americans against oppression has gone up another notch.

Victory to the Palestinians! Down with Zionist neo-Nazism!

 

- Shahidan Said

 

 

 

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written by Rozlan, January 20, 2009 08:48:08
The Israel incursion to Gaza were planned by Israel,USA,Egypt,Saudi Arabia and Jordan..Hamas was not the arab leaders choice.Their choice was AlFatah.They hope the attacks will weakenened Hamas..Little did thery know that Hamas is the Palestinian people itself.They exist because Palestinians fully support them.They expedct Hamas to crumbled within 2 weeks.Arab leaders were noticeable to be silent from condemning Israel.However when the war drag to 3 weeks,panic emerge among the arab leaders.They face pressures from their citizens to act.

So they issued cosmetic condemnation to Israel..AS far as I am concern the arab leaders were the most dangerous enemies to the Palestinians than Israel.They attack from inside

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written by ahmadneil, January 20, 2009 08:55:25
We blame no one but Hamas,becos this terrorist are link with Hezbollah and Iran.They are determine not to live in peace with Israel and rocketing Israel every now and then deserve the Israeli's fury.
I would do the same if they do it to me and my children.This is not taking side but they must sit down and find a comprehensive solution to a lasting peace in the Middle East,not for them,but for their children.Bombs and guns will not solve this problems and it only create tears and pain.
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written by krising1, January 20, 2009 09:20:28
Good man Shahidan. It is people like you that make compromise difficult because you do no mind people dying - even like dogs but no compromise. The problem is that the casualty are innocent people - women and children. The people who should be fighting and dying like dogs are those who talk from the safety of bombs - those like you.
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written by cheekhiaw, January 20, 2009 09:28:33
krisingh1,

You should go read up on the Oslo 'agreements' and find out about the last set of 'peace compromises' offered by Israel and see the insulting alternative available to those people.

xxx
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written by krising1, January 20, 2009 09:36:18
Yes, we all know about the agreements. What did the last fight give anybody but the carnage? Is dying like dogs the only alternative? Then die. Why all this fuss?
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written by Apek, January 20, 2009 09:51:53
This is indeed a difficult question and one that is often clouded by "Isreali propoganda" OR "Hamas Propaganda". Depending on which side one's world view leans towards, then such propaganda is believed and the other's disbelieved. War has never brought out the best in man... only the worst and in this bitter fight over a most 'unholy piece of land', the incriminations between the sons of ABRAHAM are very bitter indeed.

I have no evidence to say for sure that the Arabs did in fact conspire with the USA for the total destruction of HAMAS. But if Rozlan is right about the Arab governments wanting to work with FATAH, I must then wonder why would governments from the EU, the USA and the Arab world (except Syria and Iran) wish to work with the Palestinians under FATAH and not HAMAS? Does this not in itself show that there is something fundamentally correct with the Palestinian approach in government through FATAH rather than the approach taken by HAMAS? i.e taking care of the Palestinians in West Bank by bankrolling teachers, doctors administrators and building contractors v.s. purchasing rockets and demanding the total destruction of their neighbor and all those ARAB states that 'work with' Israel.

Which organizations would free and progressive governments work with. Organizations who want to improve the livelihood of their people or those bent on total war?

Shahidan Said's article is in fact based on his worldview and he is entitled to it.

However, I cannot agree with his declaration of "Victory to the Palestinians" - as it proposes the total destruction of another race and religion. Whilst it lambaste the seemingly Israeli approach akin to that of the "final solution" against the Palestinians, Shahidan makes no apology for the fact that he would do the same (or worst) to his neighbors if the boot was on the other foot - so to speak. It is this kind of attitude that scares even the Arab leaders in the region from wholeheartedly supporting Palestinian right - as they are seen as a very dangerous group who will stop at nothing but the total destruction of Israel and even Arab nations for what they believe to be their cause. I say this with the backing of evidence that HAMAS went on a killing spree and killed FATAH Palestinians JUST to take control of GAZA.

Solution (if it was so simple....)

Rather than shouting "kill them all" which has only driven the cycle of death and destruction, why not suggest this.

a) Israel withdraw from GAZA, lift the blockade and agree not to attack the sovereign land of GAZA or the West Bank on condition that
b) HAMAS do away with its intention of wiping the Israeli people from the face of the earth;
c) Simultaneously, funds from UN, US, EU, ARAB STATES and Israel be used to fund the rebuilding GAZA, the paying of doctors, nurses, administrators, lawyers, judges, police, civil servants, teachers, and professors - for the betterment of the lives of people in GAZA.

Workability

Para a) has been done before in the West Bank and in Beirut so it can happen again.
Para c) is presently being done in the West Bank and Fatah is doing well to improve the lives of Palestinians in the West Bank - through world funds.
Para b) is a problem indeed. I suspect, b) is going to be a little difficult as Iran (who is de facto boss) Syria and Hezbollah would not allow HAMAS to negotiate such a term - even if the Palestinian PEOPLE want it.

It seems so sad that Gazans have to die for the political goals of powers who are not doing the dying.
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written by cheekhiaw, January 20, 2009 10:09:41
Apek,

There should also be something fundamentally wrong when one side kills 1,300 for half a dozen of their own. What do you think is wrong with them and what do you suggest they should do?

xxx
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written by ksauyong, January 20, 2009 11:33:59
It seems the Hamas Leadership is out of touch with reality when they declared that they won a huge victory, and all we see on TV are dozens of dead Palestineans and their bombed out homes. The poor Palestineans know they are talking rubbish. Hamas seems to care only for themselves and their pride, and allow the Palestineans to suffer all these years by not making peace with Israel.
The rich Arab States on their part, should take the poor Palestineans into their states instead of leaving them cramped in Gaza to continue their suffering. All their monies given to Hamas are used to buy more weapons and to perpetuate the suffering of the Palestineans.
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written by *********, January 20, 2009 12:15:52
When we are protesting the war in Gaza, what are we really protesting against? The Scribe fears that we, Malaysians, are being duped and brainwashed into being anti-Jewish. It's all right to be anti-Zionist but to be anti-Jewish is another matter. People like Mahathir Mohamad and Chandra Muzaffar for example are nothing but racists and bigots who are anti-Semitic or simply anti-Jewish. These scumbags together with the demon ravaged groups like Umno, PERKIDA, GPMS, GAPENA, Persatuan Pengguna Islam Malaysia etc are turning us into Jewish haters.

These racists and bigots want nothing more than to see the State of Israel annihilated and all Jews killed. We Malaysians, are being used by terrorists such as Hamas to justify their cause. Remember, Hamas is not Palestine nor Palestine is Hamas...More http://*********.********.com

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written by Liberace, January 20, 2009 12:40:26
Down with terrorism! Down with Hamas! Down with anti-Semitism!
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written by Apek, January 20, 2009 12:48:57
Dear CheeKhiaw,

Oh dear…. I don’t profess to know the answer to your question but I venture to suggest that what the Palestinians and the Arab world should do in light of the gruesome ‘score’ of 1300 to 12 is to build their nation into a strong and progressive one in which the would be aggressor be deterred from starting anything that they cannot eventually win AND/OR that is destructive to peoples aims of progress and enlightenment (assuming always that such is the fundamental aim of people). In some ironic way, peace is obtained by deterrence.

I do not suggest that any one group hold violent rallies and demonstrations around the world expounding the “total destruction” of one group or the other – and including the other’s perceived allies – Arabs and Israeli alike.

Strong nations are able to employ the most capable and most efficient means of tackling the social problems of their time – including waging war which is also a perceived problem faced by one group as against another. The acquiring of knowledge and the application of such knowledge in the department of war is one “successful” area of knowledge that most western and modern nations have been able to harness for their own benefit – and to secure peace within and without its borders (Peace being relative and here I say is obtained through deterrence).

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written by Apek, January 20, 2009 12:49:57
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Maybe this point has been lost to most people; but when has it that an “Eastern Army” has conquered a Nation in the West apart from the raids made by the Mongols some hundreds of years ago. The Turks expansion till the gates of Vienna was not won by an “eastern army” of hordes of scimitar wielding horsemen. The Sultans of the Turks employed Bulgarian Cannon makers schooled in the arts of “modern” western siege warfare to destroy forts and walled emplacements – built for the very purpose of defeating “Eastern” steppe horsemen.

The application of knowledge in war by the modern nations is unsurpassed in modern time. From the beginning of modern history, it has always been that a “Western” or “western modeled” army that has taken the field in the far corners of the globe extending empire, trade and commerce to all those parts. Applied mathematics, scientific methods, chemistry, logistics, pasteurization, canning of food, rocketry, flight, navigation, aerodynamic, and many-many more branches of modern sciences have largely been developed in the west (rather than the east) and applied in war against the East.

The only way in which peoples of this world are able to stand up against the ‘score’ of 1,300 to 12 is not to send them headlong into battle as cannon fodder or Human Bombs (like what most naive jihadists do) (remember Omdurman?) but to learn the ways of the modern world, live in harmony with it, prosper from it AND to create institutions that will stand up as a deterrent against would be aggressors (and here the aggressor can be anyone and also mean once-upon-a- time Arab allies).

The failure of the Arab world in adapting to modern scientific methods and the modern world is the key failure in which has befallen our unfortunate world. With more and more reverses, defeats and ‘humiliation’, the Arab world refuses to face up to the facts of the modern world and consoles itself in its perceived past glory – only to be found wanting the next time around and beaten into the mud – so to speak. The cycle continues. This cycle is not helpful to reverse the 1,300 to 12 ‘score’ or to deter would be aggressors in the future.

Some say that the Arab world can take on a thousand foes. I say, study the books first.

Let us ask ourselves today, what item of manufacture around you today that is useful to mankind is ever stamped with the makers mark “Made in Saudi Arabia”, “Made in Palestine”, “Made in Jordan”, “Made in Iran”, “Made in Syria”…. The Arab world makes lots of guns you say – the AK-47. But remember the science behind the AK-47 is Russian who actually copied it from the highly intelligent Germans in their MP-44 in WWII. So the AK-47 is not an Arab invention, it is a western design and cannot be counted.

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written by Apek, January 20, 2009 12:50:46
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Let us shock ourselves a little more. Superb cars are made in Japan, in Europe and in the U.S. That simple fact itself shows us that the Arab World does not have the manufacturing capabilities (and therefore the scientific methods required for that manufacturing capability) to stand up to the world. In a sudden war, these manufacturing nations (barring their constitutions) are able to apply that knowledge of mass production into the making of items of war on a large scale and thus win the war. (Remember U.S. weapons production in WWII that supplied two ‘fronts’ - against the Japanese AND against the Nazis?). The nations that do not have such capabilities have to rely on friendly sellers to guarantee their survival – tenuous proposition.

In truth, the miracle building of Dubai and UAE was not built by Eastern technology but by Eastern labour and Western scientific methods of construction. This is a serious problem of “catch-up” that the world (especially the Arab World) needs to focus on to avoid continuous wars and more wars.

So, to answer you (in the shortest possible way – and in no way comprehensive), Nations must put the highest emphasis on education, science and technology for its sake alone (and not for politics sake). Less emphasis into hot air, religious rhetoric (I see a potentially hot spot I have touched here brewing), aimless demonstrations expounding the destruction of one group or another OR indulging in fantasies of an age gone by. That may help.

Then again.... if the worlds problems were so easily fixed CheeKhiaw, I'd been the Guru for some years now....
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written by Malaysiaputra, January 20, 2009 13:01:07
Does Hamas really care for the welfare of the Palestinians ?. My take is that they care more for their personal agenda. They are willing to sacrifice innocent Palestinian lives as long as their objective is achieved.

Hamas knows very well that their continuous firing of rockets into Israel will evoke reprisal which will cost innocent lives, yet they go on doing it.

They have no qualms of making human shield of innocent Palestinian civilians by hiding amongst their midst and firing at the Israeli soldiers knowing very well that when the Israelis reataliate there will be innocent civilians that will be killed.

In short , my take is that Hamas is a cowardly terrorist group that will even sacrifice innocent Palestinians for their so called cause, which is not self defence in reality but to provoke the Israelis to retaliate. Their purpose is not for peace but for pepetual turmoil as they know they have no ability of driving Israel out militarily.
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written by mulut murai, January 20, 2009 13:34:46
Hitler killed 6 million Jews during WWII Holocaust.
When Nazi Germany was defeated, one would think that the Jews deserved to have half of Germany for given to them as compensation for the crime of the Nazis.

At least they could have lived peacefully among the civilized European neighbours.


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written by mulut murai, January 20, 2009 13:36:18
Typo, should read..

Hitler killed 6 million Jews during WWII Holocaust.
When Nazi Germany was defeated, one would think that the Jews deserved to have half of Germany given to them as compensation for the crime of the Nazis.

At least they could have lived peacefully among the civilized European neighbours.
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written by batsman, January 20, 2009 15:46:20
mulut murai - that could result in Germans rocketting the Zionists with much more effect than Palestinian rockets, but at least the problem would have remained in Europe rather than exported to the Middle East.
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written by cheekhiaw, January 20, 2009 16:21:35
Apek,

So to you, a people behind in certain aspects deserve to be killed?

I have also not heard of any great scientific achievements by the Chinese race the last 200 years. So your ancestors also deserved to be slaughtered by the Japanese in WWII, and the western powers in the Opium Wars?

Don't even dream you can ever get near to be a guru. You'd be fortunate not to be called something much lesser, given the fact that you contributed nothing to human progress. If you had, we would have heard of it by now. By your logic, you deserve to be whacked in your house by some bully just for that reason.

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written by Sabahfan, January 20, 2009 18:08:23
Who really attack who ooooooh? since biblical times they been at it.. first they fight with swords bows and arrows, then catapults now with modern weaponary...

who has the right to exist and who hasnt? People dont know how to share the world because each clan or race is multiplying faster than the earth can take....

and on top of that, each clan believes that their yahweh or allah is the true god..


When will the real GOD comes down and tell us who is right and who is wrong?

if he doesnot come then every fukking human is wrong and every religious leader is a bullshitter.... period....
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written by Sabahfan, January 20, 2009 18:10:40
Explain why when one side called a truce, the other said continue fighting... so who is at fault man?

Can i show sympathy to those who wants to continue fighting and at the same time ask the world for pity???
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written by renoir, January 21, 2009 00:50:16
Dear all, many of your points are discussed and in some cases corrected in Farish Noor's series of articles, beginning with:

http://www.othermalaysia.org/2009/01/13/gaza-and-the-liberal-conscience-why-we-cannot-be-confused-by-history/

Hope that helps.

LChuah
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written by Apek, January 21, 2009 10:32:07
Dear CheeKhiaw,

Your understanding of my article is very much incorrect.

I have made NO partisan view as to the present Palestinian conflict, to advocate the annihilation of one peoples or the other, to expound the justification of annihilation (be it Israeli or Palestinian) OR to justify the creation of an Israeli or Palestinian state based on one version of history over the other. Right or wrong very much depends on the particular worldview that one holds true to the exclusion of another and I have made no comment on it. I find the competing versions of history over this point unhelpful given the amount of Israeli and Palestinian propaganda on this issue.

You asked me what was wrong in the death ratio and the reasons for the un-proportional deaths. I shared with you my take on the ratio, the basis of such thoughts and proposals for workable solutions. That the present solution seems like an easy one (see my earlier proposal under a), b) and c)), what seems to be correct in theory very nearly gets muddled up and obscured by emotion on the ground - such as the refusal of the Jewish hardliners to even retreat from Gaza and the West Bank OR the refusal of HAMAS to renounce violence and pursue the advantages of progressive leadership in GAZA.

I DID NOT suggest that any person holding any point of view deserved to by killed. I have no idea where you have obtained that perception of “logic” from my article.

I was merely sharing with you some 'natural traits' amongst humankind. Bullies (in whatever color, creed or nationality) are by far opportunistic. Bullies like all persons also fear loss and death. Based on this, a bully does not pick on the strong but on the weak. At the twilight of the Roman Empire, the Huns (and their steppe cousins) failed to breach a strong China guarded by a Great Wall and thus moved on to easier prey in the West. Therefore the un-constrained strong have the propensity to bully the weaker. A strong bacterium un-constrained by antibodies in a body does have the propensity to ravage ones body until constrained by antibiotics (or an upgraded antibody) - for example.

So, based on the presumption that a) unconstrained strong have the propensity to bully a weak opponent and not a strong one; and b) that there are certain methods employed in the bullying, I therefore suggested that the Arab World (and the world at large) look closely towards the science and technology that would create a modern state unable to be bullied – or at least second thoughts employed before bullying.
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written by Apek, January 21, 2009 10:33:22
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In the case of the Arab World, you will notice (at present) a stark rejection of scientific methods, of anything perceived to be Western, or of the some western ethos for the mysticism of Religion. You are free to rebut this presumption but mind you, evidence show that whilst scientific methods and modern technology deliver laser guided bombs to its targets, Religion yields mobs of fanatics as cannon fodder. Thus, (in my opinion) the disproportional ratio of deaths that you highlighted earlier.

History does record that there are times that people are bullied and driven out of their homes (no justification or reason whatsoever – it just happened). In more brutal times history tells us that hordes of horsemen emptied out from the steppes to brutalize their neighbors without justification or reason. Here, we can learn a thing or two from history (unclouded by propaganda). Peoples of the past faced such dangers by re-organizing themselves to better face the hordes. In the process, they tamed the Steppes. We too can learn from this.

Funny that you brought up the issue of China. Much can be learnt from its history and equally applied to your disproportional ratio at Gaza.

When China emphasized science and technology, historical records show that China was strong and made it to the top of the heap of nations. Its science and technology was at one time so advanced that it was unsurpassed for a thousand years to come. History now tells us that China under successive inward looking dynasties rejected modern science and technology. As a direct result of such rejections, China saw themselves bullied, plundered and made to prostrate before foreign powers. The Opium Wars and later Japanese conquest of large chunks of China was a direct result of China being backward and staying there – lost in day dreaming of a long lost era that was not anymore.

The Japanese on the other hand realized Tokugawa’s 300 year mistake at the point of Commodore Perry’s naval guns and immediately went about re-organizing their society on western lines so as to be able to compete with the West on equal footing. To this end, it leant everything western in order to be free and un-colonized. Those societies that did not model itself after the most progressive and modern states failed to even keep their independence. Those that did, (more often than not) kept their independence.

However, you will also notice that the reverses that China suffered from the late 19th century till the 20th did evoke a nationalistic zeal to defend itself from further harm. Rightly or wrongly, the communists seized power and remodeled that Nation to what it is today – the institutions of government are not much different from those institutions in the west. That China is more or less ON PAR with the rest of the world and can compete with the rest of the world on an equal footing is clear testimony to the applicability of my suggestion that the Arab World also do “catch-up” to the modern world.

I believe I have answered you. I do not wish to engage you in childish personal remarks and will leave your other comments as they are.

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written by cheekhiaw, January 21, 2009 22:49:55
"Religion yields mobs of fanatics as cannon fodder. Thus, (in my opinion) the disproportional ratio of deaths that you highlighted earlier."

To you the slaughter is due to the beliefs and therefore the fault of those that got killed, and not the arrogant beliefs and sheer brutality of the perpetrator. A very non-partisan view your pre-emptory pretense cannot hide. And you are sharper than the UN and Ban Ki Moon.

Sure, being technologically strong could have tempered the situation. But what does history teach you about the strategic intent and an entire people's ability to make progress when they are forced to live in a hole, exposed to constant attacks, and their homes and lives destroyed once every few years by some barbarians?

What does history teach you about the strategic implications of living, by the sheer draw of luck, in a geographic area that expose them to threats from all directions?

How does that same factor accord certain others the advantage of relative geographic safety and thereforth the luxury to contemplate things beyond just survival, and from which to launch expeditions to rob others for the wealth to feed those they pay to produce their weapons?

Sure, history can teach a lot. That includes the lesson that childish historical learnings leave some people with the kind of comments they childishly come to think to be sharp.

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written by shahidan, January 21, 2009 22:53:29
Having read through the comments from some of the regular commentators on MT, one can’t help but be struck by the colossal hypocrisy and ignorance exhibited by the commentaries.

Most of these commentators are very vocal, even if somewhat inarticulate, in condemning the BN’s exclusivist race policies and repressive legislation such as the ISA. Yet, they see no contradiction in supporting Zionist Israel’s exclusivist race policies. Israeli citizenship is based on Jewishness, never mind that none of their ancestors in the past one thousand years ever set foot in Palestine. Palestinians, on the other hand, whose ancestors have lived in Palestine for hundreds of years have mostly been forced out of their homeland to make way for Jews from Europe and elsewhere to compensate them for the persecution they suffered at the hands of Europeans, causing a Palestinian Diaspora. In a word, Europeans persecuted the Jews but a third party, the Palestinians, are made to pay the price. Most of the Gazans were inhabitants of what has now become southern Israel where the Hamas rockets land.

Detention without trial is an unconscionable human rights violation and it should rightly be challenged. But if it is wrong in Malaysia, why is it alright in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel? It is bad enough that there are more than ten thousand Palestinian political detainees, including children, held without trial in Israeli prisons and many of them tortured, but even worse is the imprisoning of one and a half million Palestinians in a massive prison or concentration camp called Gaza. And these commentators think its okay and they blame the Palestinians for resisting these gross human rights violations.

The Israeli peace activist, Uri Avnery, has rightly pointed out that the Israelis had declared war on Gaza eighteen months before the recent aggression. He wrote, “The blockade on land, on sea and in the air against a million and a half human beings is an act of war, as much as any dropping of bombs or launching of rockets. It paralyzes life in the Gaza Strip: eliminating most sources of employment, pushing hundreds of thousands to the brink of starvation, stopping most hospitals from functioning, disrupting the supply of electricity and water.”
When you are forcibly evicted from your homes and your land, then kept under siege in a concentration camp, you either accept an undignified fate and starve to death, or you resist. The Palestinians choose to resist and that is why they made the democratic choice of voting for Hamas, seeing that Mahmoud Abbas was unable to deliver as Palestinian homes continued to be demolished and illegal Israeli settlements continued to be built on Palestinian land and those who resisted these demolitions were imprisoned.


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written by shahidan, January 21, 2009 22:56:07
The various UN agencies working among Palestinians have consistently reported on the appalling conditions of the people living under siege. UNICEF reported in November 2007 that the siege on Gaza was causing malnutrition among children, including anemia, affecting 22% children from the age of 5 to 12 years. UNICEF showed important indicators on the impact of malnutrition on children in Gaza, including that 14% of children suffer from height limit for those under five years, and 4.2% are suffering from low weight, to those who are at the same age. Also, 9.8 % suffering from emaciation. “The reality is that this current violence is already compounding high levels of trauma in children in Gaza,” said World Vision UK’s head of emergency affairs, Ian Gray. “There’s the initial impact on children, which we’re already seeing - frequent bed-wetting, nightmares, and a heartbreaking loss of hope - but there’s also the long-term trauma that will devastate for years to come.”

The Program Director of Education in the UNRWA, reported that 32.4% of schoolchildren at the primary and preparatory grades suffer from nutritional anemia problem…and that the implications of the siege on the Strip produced health problems among the UNRWA schoolchildren.

The Director also pointed that…”among the health problems that schoolchildren suffer from are: Idiocy, underweight, as well as the inertia and Pallor, Yellowing face and low achievement and school dropouts.”

Richard Falk, the United Nations rapporteur for the Palestinian territories, was refused entry into Israel and he has written "There is a consensus among independent legal experts that Israel is an occupying power and is therefore bound by the duties set out in the fourth Geneva convention. The arguments that Israel's blockade is a form of prohibited collective punishment, and that it is in breach of its duty to ensure the population has sufficient food and healthcare as the occupying power, are very strong."

In view of all these reports by officials of various UN agencies working on the ground in the occupied Palestinian territories, should we not at least question the propaganda churned out by the pro-Zionist international media? Just because these propaganda mouthpieces for Zionism and Empire define Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran as terrorists does not make them so. Calling your adversaries terrorists while you commit terrorism is a classical diversionary ploy.
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written by shahidan, January 21, 2009 23:39:04
The basis for a long term solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, as spelt out by Uri Avnery and published in the Jewish-American publication TIKKUN can be summarized as follows:
1 A sovereign and viable State of Palestine will be established side by side with the State of Israel.
.2 The border between the two states will be based on the pre-1967 Armistice Line (the “Green Line”). Insubstantial alterations can be arrived at by mutual agreement on an exchange of territories on a 1:1 basis.
3 East Jerusalem, including the Haram-al-Sharif (“Temple Mount”) and all Arab neighborhoods will serve as the capital of Palestine. West Jerusalem, including the Western Wall and all Jewish neighborhoods, will serve as the capital of Israel. A joint municipal authority, based on equality, may be established by mutual consent to administer the city as one territorial unit.
4 All Israeli settlements – except any which might be joined to Israel in the framework of a mutually agreed exchange of territories - will be evacuated (see 15 below).
5 Israel will recognize in principle the right of the refugees to return. A Joint Commission for Truth and Reconciliation, composed of Palestinian, Israeli and international historians, will examine the events of 1948 and 1967 and determine who was responsible for what. Each individual refugee will be given the choice between (1) repatriation to the State of Palestine, (2) remaining where he/she is living now and receiving generous compensation, (3) returning to Israel and being resettled, (4) emigrating to any other country, with generous compensation. The number of refugees who will return to Israeli territory will be fixed by mutual agreement, it being understood that nothing will be done that materially alters the demographic composition of the Israeli population. The large funds needed for the implementation of this solution must be provided by the international community in the interest of world peace. This will save much of the money spent today on military expenditure and direct grants from the US.
6 The West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip constitute one national unit. An extraterritorial connection (road, railway, tunnel or bridge) will connect the West Bank with the Gaza Strip.
7 Israel and Syria will sign a peace agreement. Israel will withdraw to the pre-1967 line and all settlements on the Golan Heights will be dismantled. Syria will cease all anti-Israeli activities conducted directly or by proxy. The two parties will establish normal relations between them.
8 In accordance with the Saudi Peace Initiative, all member states of the Arab League will recognize Israel and establish normal relations with it. Talks about a future Middle Eastern Union, on the model of the EU, possibly to include Turkey and Iran, may be considered.

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written by cheekhiaw, January 22, 2009 01:08:53
But childish idiots in Malaysia do not know all these...

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written by Apek, January 22, 2009 10:26:42
Dear Shahidan,

Thank you for your input into the matter.

As I have said before, I do not trust the propaganda of either party in this conflict where peoples (selective) memories are long, the hurt deep and emotions high. I will tell you why. Uri say that the Israeli blockade was a declaration of war on Gaza 18 months ago. Turn this argument on its head and ask yourself, what about the open declaration by HAMAS tens of years ago to wipe Israel off the map and to kill every Israeli there? Is that not an open declaration of war and genocide as well? So, I must urge readers to focus on the solution rather than the conflict that would create more conflict.

Although I do not agree with Uri's view, I am attracted and in agreement with the 8 points for long term solution as you have recorded (although you must agree that you and I are not in the position to implement it). However, as I have said before what in theory is simple to implement, almost always gets muddled up in practice - in Palestine. I have earlier given the example of the Jewish hardliners abject refusal to retreat from Gaza (what more dismantling their settlements) on the one hand AND the abject refusal of HAMAS to do away with its aim of wiping Israel and all Israelis from the face of the earth.

That both are willing to die to achieve their aims in itself shows that many a people are not using their head in this matter but rather relying on one version of history or propaganda or the other - to the exclusion of another version or good advice from the world community.

That this proposal and many hundreds of initiatives have gone before the UN and the Secretary General of the UN but fails to find any footing in Israel or amongst the Palestinians is in itself a ratification of my earlier argument that peace initiatives always gets muddled up on the ground due to emotion. It almost seems as if the two parties do not want peace but have a penchant for bloodletting!

I am sure you would agree that amongst people of goodwill, it is very easy to give some to gain some. However you would also agree with me that there seems to be absolutely no trust (or love) at all amongst the Israelis and HAMAS (both want to kill each other if given half a chance). Without this trust, you would notice that each party tries to maximize its demands to the detriment of the other - hence the many failures of compromise and settlement in the past (and even now).

Without this trust, Uri's 8 points (which are very large steps in the eyes of Palestinians and Israelis) cannot even hope to get off the ground. It is for this reason that I have suggested 3 mini points for the present conflict. Israel to withdraw, agree not to violate the sovereignty of Gaza and open the borders (in consonant with Uri's point 1). Secondly, HAMAS to promise not to shoot rockets at Israel (for a start) and to abandon its ideal of killing every Israeli. Thirdly, that world funds go to building the infrastructure of Gaza.

These small initiatives (if implemented properly) not only attempts to put an end to bloodletting but also help build trust amongst these warring parties (unless of course some are of the view that one or the other should be "wiped off the map" - a sentiment I do not and cannot share). I would think that tiny concessionary steps now help build trust in order for parties to take the larger steps in concession later?

In the meantime, let us all continue to pray for good sense to prevail.
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written by cheekhiaw, January 22, 2009 11:33:53
Sure, everything is still equal despite one killing 1,300 for a dozen of their own. So much good sense.

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written by Apek, January 22, 2009 12:13:14
Dear CheeKhiaw,

Kindly let us have your input into the matter. How do you propose that the ratio be made more fair (if you will) or even do away with the ratio once and for all (if taht be your intention)? So far, you have added but little to this area of discussion. Kindly oblige me.

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written by renoir, January 22, 2009 13:12:06
Some of my replies to a cyberfriend from Arizona (I think):

He wrote:
> Hamas is Iran's lapdog.]]

Hamas in fact was a creation of Israel, who got the idea during the late 70s about diluting the strength of the PLO. Though some sort of loose religious organization had existed then, it couldn't find much headway in a largely secular society that was Palestine. So Israel started funding the Hamas group to the extent that it could set up schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure throughout West Bank and Gaza. However, as the years went by, the PLO was becoming a spent force as Yasser Arafat, influenced by his new, Westernized wife, became addicted to a life of luxury and corruption - became exactly the kind of "leader" Israel and the West wanted. The West thought "free elections" would strengthen the PLO's rule against an increasingly defiant Hamas, but the result was to the contrary: Hamas won a magnificant victory. As in Algeria, the West wouldn't recognize any free elections if citizens were so stupid to elect a leader the West disliked. Eisenhower was smarter: according to his Memoirs, he refused to stick to the Geneva Agreement to allow North and South Vietnam free elections as "90 percent of the Vietnamese would elect Uncle Ho."

Gaza has become, in the words of the Vatican, "a huge concentration camp." Israel has prevented needed food, medicine, and other necessities from entering the place. The motive, according to many European observers, was to force a reaction from a starving people. Hamas did react by firing their ineffective, homemade missiles. Several years of such missile attacks had resulted in less than a dozen deaths - much less than a single foray by Israeli troops. The so-called "fight" between Israel and Hamas is an exercise in Orwellian-speak: there have been, merely, mass killings and murders of children, women, and innocent civilians. In other words, a massacre. Or genocide.

>....Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, ]]

That was a fiction propagated by the Western media. What the Iranian minister alluded to some years ago was that modern Israel was a creation of the West (the Balfour Declaration) and thus legally it has no right to exist. This was distorted and contorted for several years until it became "Israel should be wiped off the map."

>Israel has already bombed Iran's nuclear facility in the past]]

No, you're confusing Iraq (the Osirik reactor, I think) with Iran.

>after that WHO stopped them? The US]]

Israel's plans to attack Iran was delayed because it couldn't even defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon. Any Israeli attack would need US help, and help IS on the way as just a few weeks ago Uncle Sam has sent hundred of tons of ammo - bunker-busting bombs - to Israel. All it needs is a final decision from Bush.

>What fissionable material do they have now? Once they have their nuclear program up and running they will have more...]]

The UN nuclear proliferation experts have refuted the Western media on this, just as they did regarding Saddam's WMD. The charge against Saddam has proven to be a figment of the neo-cons' imagination. Now, barely a few years later, the same excuse is being dusted up, rehashed, and utilized again.

>Who lives down wind? You guys!!! ...The fallout is worse than the blast. Then there will be a band of dirty fallout contaminating the earth from the prevailing winds.]]

Much of Western Asia, perhaps even Western China, have been suffering from the illegal depleted uranium dispersed by American shells in Iraq. This radioactive material has caused deaths among American troops as well, though the Pentagon denies it. Further, any attack on Iran's facilities would involve bunker-busting bombs, and these are nuclear bombs. This is the fallout that would be threatening the world.

>We all better hope these people Arab or Jew or whoever starts addressing this whole situation or we are going to see something worse than their little religious wars.]]

For dozens of years the Palestinians have been fighting a war of independence. The PLO was a secular party. Many Palestinians were Christians or atheists. Several were my friends in the American Midwest. It was Israel that aided Hamas, with the ultimate intention of turning it into a religious war. This possibility emerged after 9/11, when Islam or Muslims became synonymous with "terrorists."

>The rest of the world need to get control of themselves open a dialog with Muslims to join together]]

That I agree

LChuah
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written by renoir, January 22, 2009 14:06:00
Now, the "Israel should be wiped off the map" is a favorite, often rehashed excuse by the Zionists to attack their enemies, whether those enemies have the capability to carry out their threats or not. Not too long ago, around the 1930s, many Chinese used to say somewhat the same thing of the Japanese. This was because of Japanese aggression that resulted in the Treaty of Shimonoseki, which among other things forced China to cede the island of Taiwan to Japan, the infamous "21 Demands" which outdid even the West in their humiliation of China, and so on and so forth. A corrupted government in a country weakened by a dying, corrupted dynasty, there was little else China or the Chinese people could do except to express their anger at Japan. And no doubt there were Chinese politicians as well who would say things like "siow mi" (exterminating) the evil Japanese. Perhaps we could then excuse Japan for the Nanjing Massacre - because so many Chinese had threatened to wipe Japan off the map?

When a people see their lands taken over by a foreign people and country, chased out of their homes, their orchards, their parents or brothers and sisters murdered, and had their history REWRITTEN, what's more natural than to wish the worst for those responsible, for those who HAVE, FOR OVER HALF A CENTURY, ACTUALLY BEGUN THEIR CAMPAIGN TO WIPE THE PALESTINIANS OFF THE MAP??? Talking about pot calling kettle black - how did 700,000 Palestinians became what is known as the Palestianian diaspora? And in place of these Palestinians, how did hundreds of thousands of CAUCASIAN people, CONVERTED Askenazi "Jews" suddenly become the owners of that piece of that Middle Eastern real estate??? And the cheek of some people in calling those who oppose the extermination of the truly SEMITIC people, the Palestinians, ANTI-SEMITIC!!! How true the Foucauldian concept that those who own the media actually own the language!!! Quite often we can even hear the inane assertion that "there was no Palestine," forgetting that the Balfour Declaration specifically asked for the reparation of European Jews to be located in ... Palestine! Indeed, those with an ounce of knowledge of history or English literature - read, for example, novels by authors such as Sir Walter Scott - would know that references to Palestine was as common in the old days as fcuking is in books by Harold Robbins. The internet is a wonderful thing, but it really shouldn't replace some serious booklearning.

LChuah
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