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Sunday, 04 January 2009 18:03

Thousands of Israeli troops backed by columns of tanks and helicopter gunships launched a ground offensive in Gaza Saturday night, with officials saying they expected a lengthy fight in the densely populated territory after eight days of punishing airstrikes failed to halt militant rocket attacks on Israel.

The incursion set off fierce clashes with Palestinian militants and Gaza’s Hamas rulers vowed the coastal strip would be a “graveyard” for Israelis forces.

“This will not be easy and it will not be short,” Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said on national television about two hours after ground troops moved in.

The night sky over Gaza was lit by the flash of bullets and balls of fire from tank shells. Sounds of explosions were heard across Gaza City, the territory’s biggest city, and high-rise buildings shook from the bigger booms.

As the ground troops moved in, Israel kept pounding Gaza with airstrikes. F-16 warplanes hit three targets within a few minutes, including a main Hamas security compound.

Witnesses in Gaza said that in the first phase, Israeli ground forces had moved several hundred yards inside Gaza. Israeli security officials said initial clashes with militants took place in open fields and soldiers did not immediately move into Gaza’s crowded cities, where warfare would likely get much deadlier.

“We have many, many targets,” Israeli army spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich told CNN. “To my estimation, it will be a lengthy operation.”

Israeli leaders said the operation, known as Cast Lead, was meant to quell militant rocket and mortar fire on southern Israel. They said it would not end quickly but that the objective was not to reoccupy Gaza or topple Hamas. The depth and intensity will depend in part on parallel diplomatic efforts that so far haven’t yielded a truce proposal acceptable to Israel, the officials said.

In the airborne phase of Israel’s onslaught, militants were not deterred from bombarding southern Israel with more than 400 rockets -- including dozens that extended deeper into Israel than ever before. They fired six rockets into Israel in the first few hours after the ground push began, the military said.

One rocket scored a direct hit on a house in the southern city of Ashkelon earlier Saturday and another struck a bomb shelter there, leaving its above-ground entrance scarred by shrapnel and blasting a parked bus.

“I don’t want to disillusion anybody and residents of the south will go through difficult days,” Barak said. “We do not seek war but we will not abandon our citizens to the ongoing Hamas attacks.”

Israel called up tens of thousands of reservists in the event Palestinian militants in the West Bank or Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon decide to exploit the broad offensive in Gaza to launch attacks against Israel on other fronts.

The military said the country’s north was on high alert in case Hezbollah guerillas decided to use its vast stockpiles of missiles against Israel. Israel and Hezbollah fought a 34-day war in the summer of 2006.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said US officials have been in regular contact with the Israelis as well as officials from countries in the region and Europe.

“We continue to make clear to them our concerns for civilians, as well as the humanitarian situation,” Johndroe said.

The UN Security Council scheduled emergency consultations Saturday night on the escalation in Gaza.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has urged key world leaders to intensify efforts to achieve an immediate truce including international monitors to enforce a truce and possibly to protect Palestinian civilians.

Israel’s bruising air campaign against Gaza over the past eight days began days after a six-month truce expired.

Gaza health officials say the air war has killed more than 480 Palestinians in an attempt to halt Hamas rocket attacks that were reaching farther into Israel than ever before. Four Israelis have been killed by rockets.

Israel is taking a risk by wading into intense urban warfare in densely populated Gaza that could exact a much higher toll on both sides and among civilians.

This sort of urban warfare has not gone well in past campaigns where Israel sent ground forces into Arab population centres in the Palestinian territories or in Lebanon wars in 1982 and 2006. Israeli forces have either gotten bogged down or sustained heavy casualties, without quelling violent groups or halting attacks for good.

The decision to expand the operation, while continuing to batter Gaza from the air and sea, was taken after Hamas refused to stop attacking Israel, government officials said.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because discussions leading up to wartime decisions are confidential.

Before the ground incursion began, heavy Israeli artillery fire hit east of Gaza City, in locations where the military said Hamas fighters were deployed. The artillery shells were apparently intended to detonate Hamas explosive devices and mines planted along the border area before troops marched in.

Hamas remained defiant as the ground war began.

“You entered like rats,” Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan told Israeli soldiers in a statement on Hamas’ Al Aqsa TV, broadcast shortly after the start of the invasion.

“Your entry to Gaza won’t be easy. Gaza will be a graveyard for you, God willing,” he said.

“Gaza will not be paved with flowers for you. It will be paved with fire and hell,” Hamas warned Israeli forces.

A text message sent by Hamas’ military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, said “the Zionists started approaching the trap which our fighters prepared for them.” Hamas said it also broadcast a Hebrew message on Israeli military radio frequencies promising to kill and kidnap the Israeli soldiers.

“Be prepared for a unique surprise, you will be either killed or kidnapped and will suffer mental illness from the horrors we will show you,” the message said.

Hamas has also threatened to resume suicide attacks inside Israel.

Hamas has long prepared for Israel’s invasion, digging tunnels and rigging some areas with explosives. At the start of the offensive, Israeli artillery hit some of the border areas, apparently to detonate hidden explosives.

Before the ground invasion, defense officials said about 10,000 Israeli soldiers had massed along the border in recent days.

Israel initially held off on a ground offensive, apparently in part because of concern about casualties among Israeli troops and because of fears of getting bogged down in Gaza.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said his government decided to mount a land operation despite the risk it posed to thousands of soldiers.

An inner Cabinet of top ministers met with leading security officials for four hours Saturday before deciding to authorize the ground invasion.

Olmert told the meeting that Israel’s objective was to bring quiet to southern Israel but “we don’t want to topple Hamas,” a government official quoted the prime minister as saying. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not supposed to share the information.

The immediate aim of the ground operations was to take control of sites militants use as rocket-launching pads, the military said. It said large numbers of troops were taking part but did not give specifics.

Israeli airstrikes intensified just as the ground operation was getting under way, and 28 Palestinians were killed. Palestinian health officials said civilians were among the dead, including a woman, her son and her father who died after a shell hit their house.

One raid hit a mosque in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya, killing 13 people and wounding 33, according to a Palestinian health official. One of the wounded worshippers, Salah Mustafa, told Al-Jazeera TV from a hospital that the mosque was packed.

“It was unbelievably awful,” he said, struggling to catch his breath.

It was not immediately clear why the mosque was hit, but Israel has hit other mosques in its air campaign and said they were used for storing weapons.

Israeli artillery joined the battle for the first time earlier on Saturday. Artillery fire is less accurate than attacks from the air using precision-guided munitions, raising the possibility of a higher number of civilian casualties.

An artillery shell hit a house in Beit Lahiya, killing two people and wounding five, said members of the family living there. Ambulances could not immediately reach them because of the resulting fire, they said.

Resident Abed al-Ghoul said the Israeli army called by phone to tell them to leave the house within 15 minutes.

The ground operation sidelined intense international diplomacy to try to reach a truce. French President Nicolas Sarkozy was to visit the region next week, and US President George W. Bush favours an internationally monitored truce.

Israel has already said it wants international monitors. It is unclear whether Hamas would agree to such supervision, which could limit its control of Gaza.

In Hamas’ first reaction to the proposal for international monitors, government spokesman Taher Nunu said early Saturday that the group would not allow Israel or the international community to impose any arrangement, though he left the door open to a negotiated solution.

“Anyone who thinks that the change in the Palestinian arena can be achieved through jet fighters’ bombs and tanks and without dialogue is mistaken,” he said.

Hamas began to emerge as Gaza’s main power broker when it won Palestinian parliamentary elections three years ago. It has ruled the impoverished territory of 1.4 million people since seizing control from the rival Fatah forces of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in June 2007.

Israel occupied Gaza for 38 years before pulling out thousands of soldiers in settlers in late 2005. Israel still controls Gaza border crossings. -- AP

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written by OilMan, January 04, 2009 18:18:15
Hamas is the bad boy of Palestine while Fatah is the good boy of the people. Hamas leaders should work together with Mahmoud Abbas to achieve peace in the region. Sadly the Hamas leaders prefer to victimised it's own people to achieve their individual goals. Why not work for a peaceful solution instead of provoking Isreal by sending bombs to Isreal on a daily basis. Kicking a dog on a daily basis will eventually get one bitten by the dog.
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written by PAKRAK, January 04, 2009 18:30:46
Najis should send the newly ordered Eurocopters to help. If they get damaged/destroyed, as Finance Minister now, Najis C4 can order some more units at a much higher price without any tender exercise through Rojak Baginda.
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written by Milo, January 04, 2009 19:05:02
People, you are witnessing the by product of the clash between two primitive religious belief systems mixed with politics. Both the Torah and Qu'ran preach extensively on war and how there people should help God to punish the "enemy". Each book assures their belivers that their God is the true God, and the other side is Satan forces. Plain commonsense and observation would show the reality that the only beneficiaries are the weapon suppliers, while the poeple in the both countries are the innocent victims. But has history ever shown commonsense will take control where religion is concern? What happens to all the moral teachings in the holy books? Anyone still think it is a good idea to have an Islamic State in Multiracial Malaysia?
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written by ahmadneil, January 04, 2009 19:06:15
Hamas is provoking the Israeli by rocketing them.I would do the same if they keep rocketing when my children wants to sleep.
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written by ahmadneil, January 04, 2009 19:08:20
umno will face the same fate if they keep on provoking the minority race.Let keep on bombarding umno until they are flat out.
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written by DreamLady, January 04, 2009 19:18:48
The UMNO regime should be sending all the phantom voters from Trengganu to help the Muslim Palestines, if they are serious in practizing what they preached,HELPING THE MUSLIM BROTHERS!!

Mahathir is again blaming Israel, giving the lame excuse that what Palestine people first threw into Israel compound is negligible compared to the shelling of Israel' rockets. Why did mahathir fail to blame Hamas for starting the provocation?

If somebody were to break Mahathir' glass-window, do you think he will keep quiet and allow all his window panes be broken without any retaliation!!!
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written by Zym Zym, January 04, 2009 20:25:39
Hmmm...btw, who provoked who first?
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written by jjireh99, January 04, 2009 20:27:18
if those terrorist hamas stop sending rockets over to Israel, I will ask Israel to stop sending rockets to Palestine!!!!!!!
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written by kclim2, January 04, 2009 20:31:55
Let's see who provoke the other party to attack! Obviously if some keep firing rockets into your territory without stopping you would retaliate!
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written by talk2stop, January 04, 2009 20:33:56
Israel is fighting for existence while her enemy is fighting for total destruction. You can bet your dollar who will win. Israel is like a blow fish you can't kill it without killing oneself. Whichever way Israel will win. The only way to kill the Jews is to leave them alone and they will kill among themselves. But the muslims' world just can't wait.
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written by Malaysiaputra, January 04, 2009 20:45:17
Hypocrites, hypocrites all around. Why all the whoo ha now ?. No one wants to rein in Hamas when they start shooting rockets into Israel, why no condemnation ?.

If we have a hypothetical scenario in Malaysia, where the Pattani separatist group is firing rockets into Thailand from Malaysian side, don't we think that the Thais would attack the separatis group eventually ?. Even if they are in Malayisa ?. If Malaysia does nothing about stopping it ?.

As I see, the present suffering of the innocent in Gaza while it is deplorable, is due to Hamas' fault.
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written by Tompios, January 04, 2009 21:03:34
Blame for Hamas! Hamas deserve to get punishment from Isreal.
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written by What Nil Wisdom, January 04, 2009 21:16:15
Godspeed the brave men and women of the IDF. God bless Israel and may God curse her enemies.
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written by SiHangChai, January 04, 2009 21:37:00
The Palestine and Israelist people became a victim of the war which caused by the arrogrant and terroist govt led by Hamas. The expiry of 6-mth cease fire was just an excuse by Hamas to launch the 1st attack into Israel town. Yet, the issue was lime as Israel attacked Palestine people. But the true fact is not about Israel attacked Palestine people, but the Hamas themselves is the culprit and instigator. This is why the UN has in a majority vote is condemning Hamas Govt, but not Palestine people. This is the difference. Israel has the rights to defend but it has went too far. Time for the Fatah to takeover the terrorist Hamas govt. I hope the people don't be bias on Israel ; not that I support their move, but the true is Hamas has to go for being the culprit, the stubborn for not sitting down with the Jews to end this, yet trying to provoke all the Moslem to go against the Jews. It is a really pity that b'cos of govt's stubborness and trying to propoganda on religion, people from both sides became the victims
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written by InEffective, January 04, 2009 21:49:59

Even when the ceasefire was in effect, the Israelis still maintained absolute control of the Palestinians dependency on goods, electricity etc (and turn on and turn off supplies at will) - rendering the palentinians virtual prisoners in their own land.
(sure they have the excuse that they are trying to control arms movement)

people say that rocket fired by Hamas is the trigger and any person has the right to defend himself (and hence they justify to aerial bombardment) - true - but i also believe any person has the right to NOT be a slave, and controlled by others into slavery in the own land and live a life of destitution with no dignity.

easy to judge and condemn when you are not the one in pain.

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written by roggon, January 04, 2009 21:57:20
HAMAS, YOU STEPPED ON THE BELLY OF THE LION. NOW GO FIND A PLACE TO HIDE. mAYBE MAHATAHI, NAJIS AND THE SLEEPY PM CAN ARRANGE FOR YOUR TEMPORARY SHELTER AT LANGKAWI!!!
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written by KARMANNGHIA, January 04, 2009 22:13:09
Pity the civilian casualties..............

Will Hamas wage war against the Isrealis just like a regular Army on the battle field rather than using the civilians as a buffer?

Is Hamas freedom fighters or cowards?

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written by OVERLORD, January 04, 2009 22:39:26
the reaction from neighbouring countries (Egypt, Iran Syria, Lebanon etc. has been surprisingly docile and muted..i guess they are waiting for Obama's foreign policy revelation. what better excuse to test the new administration. it doesn't help when ur chief of staff is a jew.a storm is brewing in the horizon.
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written by ylcc, January 04, 2009 23:07:16
Hi Tompios! You getting yourself into "trouble" again? No one has been able to touch the Israelis since the Golan Heights war (1968?). Hamas should accept that the Israelis are resilient people, and they are never going to let go. The only solution to this mess is PEACE.

Hello ZOMA, don't mean to be rude but "Can you shoot a boy dead just for throwing a stone at your house? Morons would do that no doubt!"
Hmmm, true ... boys will be boys, and they will always be mischievous.

Question for you: "Can you "C4" a lady who does not throw a stone at your house? Obviously someone was a moron no doubt for doing so! smilies/wink.gif
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written by Jit Dharma, January 04, 2009 23:11:09
The way forward is peace. Palestinians MUST give up violence.It has
cost them so dearly. Right from the moment of the formation of Israel,
when Palestine was divided, the Palestinians, with the help of the other
Arab countries have chosen armed conflict and have suffered reversal
after reversal. The Palestinian entity disappeared after that first war.
The next war, the six-day war saw another defeat and the loss of Jerusalem.
Now Hamas, who seem to be cynically provoking the Israelis with rocket fire
have called down a firestorm. Is this what they want? To provoke a wider war
involving Syria and Iran? This is totally reckless. But it fits their 'don't
give a damn' attitude. While it is sad to see innocents anywhere get blown
up, I still wonder that if there was a calamity in Malaysia,a war or some
other disaster, would the Arab world come to our aid? I seriously doubt it,
given their insularity. Our politicians, who seem to explode into life
every time there is a conflict in the middle east, should perhaps pay
attention to the injustice that takes place on their doorstep,eg. the
plight of the Myanmarese.Maybe that idiot opportunist Khairy can stop
making a fool of himself by claiming that religion has nothing to do
with Malaysia's support of the Palestinian cause when everybody knows
that it is the only reason for it.
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written by Avanza1, January 04, 2009 23:15:58
I sympatize with the lost of lifes in Palestine. The real victims are the common ppl who are struggling with their livelihood and getting their own children brainwashed by their own education system to hate Israelis. If you continue to teach yr children hate it will only create more terrorist.

Many ppl thot Nazism ended when Hitler's Germany was defeated in WWII. They are wrong. Naziam learned from Islam on Jew extermination and the modern Muslims learned from the Nazis. Suprise the instrumental person to do is is the Mufti of Jerusalem. The Mufti propagated Nazism in the middleast after the war and it has continued to seek the destruction of Israel and the extermination of all Israelis. Mind you, the state of Israel has not existed yet then.

#http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/videos.html

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Palestinian children have been brainwashed from young to die killing Israelis. Just imagine your own children is in the video uttering the same words.

#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4
#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzlFPm7bymY
#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhVDwrfoTOg&feature=related
#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwcVhrzd9vw&feature=related
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written by Avanza1, January 04, 2009 23:19:30
The Arabs are just adding jewels to their collections as the rockets are fired. One house in ruin in Palestine, one more mega hotel is planned in another Arab land. They just let the infidel Western ppl to pour their resources, support and compassion for the injured/kill ppl in both Gaza and Israel.
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written by mrbean, January 04, 2009 23:25:03
I am very sad to hear this news. However, judging from historical incidences. I think Hamas deserved to be wiped off.. I symphatize and pity the innocent Palestinians who are affected by this.
During the cease fire, why can't Hamas stop the bombing?
It is a fact that Hamas is an extremist group and terrorist group.. why is some section of the world blind to this still ?
I am sorry, but they deserve this.
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written by mrbean, January 04, 2009 23:27:41
To all Middle Eastern Politicians and all Muslims ,
Stop Hijacking Islam for political purposes.
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written by Merdeka50, January 05, 2009 00:09:12
It is quite clear that MT readers are concerned about the present situation at Gaza.

While it is true that we can't be certain whether Israel or Hamas had broken the truce, we can be sure that over 400 Gaza people have perished in the fighting so far.

But we can also be reasonably certain that most Palestinians and Israelis want peace. For it is only through peace that they could have a viable future.

In 2009, Malaysia will enter the first full year of the worst recession it has encountered. Many of our own people will come face to face with uncertainty and hardship.

But I'm still going to suggest that MT sets up a short donation period (say 2 weeks) humanitarian fund for the people of Gaza, to show that we - regardless of race or religion - are of the same heart.

The number of doners will be more important than the amount raised. It will show how many of us care.

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written by Sabahfan, January 05, 2009 00:24:15
USA has spy satelites which can even read the licence plate of a car running on the road..

Just why dont they release to the world who really is causing the problem..

Israel or Palestine or BOTH...

Far as I am concerned, I dont believe a bloody shit of all the versions and politicall comeentaries and analysis by malazut professor as i know they are all blooody biased.

As far as i know, palestinians have been shelling with their rockets all the israeli common populations which started the war...

so who do i believe? isnt the two races been killing one another since pre-biblical times???
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written by Goodbites, January 05, 2009 00:28:04
If Hamas lay down weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lay down weapons, there will be no Israel.

Hamas only knows how to negotiate with rockets, at the expense of innocent Palestinians. The blood of hundreds of innocent Palestinians are on their hands; they knew what was coming but did not do what was needed to save innocent lives.

Those who blame Israel are indirectly supporting Hamas. Stop the rockets to stop the blood shed.
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written by Sabahfan, January 05, 2009 00:29:18
yah yah...

malazut govt only hooohah on tv, bullshiting us rakyat to believe their version of the war..

If u really believe that Hamas is the good boy, send your soldiers there, let me see if they are willing to die for their beliefs...

or are u afraid that the jews will sent a rocket to Kuala lumpur???
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written by The Hammer, January 05, 2009 00:52:29
Please read the Bible especaially Genesis and Exodus to get a picture of the the current event which took place 2000 B.C. This war was between the sons of Abraham - Isaac and his half brother Ishmael and their descendant are continuing the war!But GOD is with Isaac and from him, Israel came into existence!
And the God of Abraham said in Genesis 12.3
"I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse"

GOd Bless Israel!
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written by Avanza1, January 05, 2009 00:54:06
#http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/world/15197-exactly-what-the-islamists-want

Exactly what the Islamists want?

GAZA, Jan 4 – Islamic Jihad, the extremist group behind many of the rocket attacks on Israeli towns, has at last got the war it wished for.

Amid reports of heavy losses among their allies in Hamas as Israeli troops poured into Gaza, the question is whether its leaders have bitten off more than they can chew.

It was over a year ago that Abu Hamza, the head of Islamic Jihad’s rocket programme, said the goal was to draw Israel into a ground conflict inside the Gaza Strip so that his men would have the chance to “kill as many Zionists as possible”.

A top commander repeated that sentiment – previously lacking from Hamas’ rhetoric as they pursued the often conflicting strategies of resistance and governing – last week.

Abu Bilal, commander of Islamic Jihad’s forces in the Rafah refugee camp in southern Gaza, admitted that his group’s rocket attacks are mostly ineffectual against Israel, except psychologically, and that the group, which operates independently of the dominant Hamas movement, was literally praying for an invasion.
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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 05:38:30
"Just like that ylcc idiot that thinks that suing for peace at Israel's terms like what they offered in the Oslo agreements is anything near fair settlement."

Ah, I remember you ... cheekhiaw, the reader whom batsman said "as usual, going around and shooting off your mouth", and I believe the one who said "christians are as blind and pea-brained as the muslims". Since you are neither muslim nor christian ... what are you trying to create here? A war between the muslims and christians? Since you are think you are so smart and that muslims and christians stupid, we hereby suggest that you represent us and go over to Gaza and settle the problem now! ref: "It had been like that for half a century. Only ignorant fools think it is a recent phenonmenon (actually, it has existed even before your great, great, great, great, great grandfather was born ... so, it is not me who called anyone an ignorant fool!).

The next time you go around calling me, Jit Dharma, or anyone else "idiotic" and "half-brain", especially referring to older folks, watch out that someone might even do it "Israel commando" style and pack you off to Gaza to get "rocketted or C4ed" there!!
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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 06:09:43
ZOMA, please note that cheekhiaw called you an "ignorant fool";
What Nil Wisdom, please note that cheekhiaw called you a "fool";
Jit Dharma, he called you and me "idiots";
He goes further to call the other readers, "Here is one more. There are many idiots that call Hamas 'terrorists' ....... Any half-brain would find that something is not right and would re-think."

It seems his vocabulary is limited to "idiot, half-brain, pea-brain, blind, fool, ignorant fool". He said "To those people full of themselves": the way he goes around calling people dumb, he probably is talking about himself!. What do you think, readers? Maybe we should campaign for cheekhiaw to be our Prime Minister instead of DSAI! smilies/wink.gif
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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 08:35:58
mrbean, plse note that cheekhiaw said "mrbean are those human excrements"!

Sabahfan, he called you "stupid".

What does this reflect on one's character? Badly brought up?

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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 10:11:45
cheekhiaw, I do not know the Israelis, neither do I know about the Palestinians. I side no one as I am here minding my own business. BUT, I do know you are what batsman said you are "as usual, shooting your mouth off", egoistic, vulgar, disrespectful to others, rude, "kurang ajar/badly brought up"! At least, I grow old gracefully! Bye for now! smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 05, 2009 12:29:10
Within those 24 hours of invasion, 35 Gazans were killed and, coincidentally, over in Iraq a Muslim Sunni woman suicide bomber blew herself up in a Bagdad mosque full of Iranian Shiite pilgrims and killing 35 of them (including women & children).

35 Muslims died in a 24 hours period in one place, and 35 other Muslims died in another place in a matter of minutes.

On the Gaza side, the whole Muslim world protest in condemnation of the Israelis. Who is to protest for those 35 Muslims killed senselessly by a fellow Muslims?

An interesting question now arises! Now who gets to go to heaven? Will it be that suicide Muslim Sunni woman or the 35 Shiite Muslims killed by the explosion?
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written by Jit Dharma, January 05, 2009 12:50:04
Messers. Fendyoasis and Cheekiaw, whilst you are free to support
or condemn whomever you want, please do so by the force of your
arguments. Name calling, (dumb-ass, heartless back-stabbing etc.)
reveals only the vacuum in your empty skulls.Personally I mistrust
anyone whose passionate support for Palestine or Isreal or anyone
else supercedes his support for his own countrymen, whichever way they
may choose to lean.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 05, 2009 13:08:38
In this war, if Israel so chooses and without any disregard to loss of Palestine lives, Israel can annihilate the entire Gaza strip with their hi-tech well armed arsenal. As it is, with HAMAS choosing to fight the Israelis in densely populated areas and thus endangering Gazans in the process, there are bound to be civilian casualties. On this light, I believe the Israelis are indeed trying their best to keep civilian casualties to a minimum even under such dire circumstances as the mortality has been relatively low so far…i.e. 35 killed within a 24 hours period (while it took just minutes for a suicide bomber to killed 35 Shiite Muslims in a Bagdad mosque on the same day).

HAMAS (my opinion and not CNN, BBC, Aljazeera, etc) is totally irresponsible in provoking war with the Israelis. With their pathetic rocket weaponry, they cannot win a war with Israel and they know it. Yet, HAMAS instigated a war with Israel to get support for their radical brand of Islam which most fellow Arab Muslims would rather shun away from. No moderate Arabs want to have anything to do with HAMAS as they don’t want HAMAS influencing their people.

In a war with the Arab’s historical enemy the Israelis, HAMAS knows and, indeed, depend on the “blind” support of Muslims not only from around the Middle East but from Muslims worldwide. So far, HAMAS has been very correct in their judgment of blind supports from fellow Muslims.

Israel was quite stupid to be lead into a war with HAMAS in Gaza as they cannot hope to win a war where you have to be constantly conscious in limiting civilian casualties, but yet being drawn to and having to fight an enemy in densely populated areas.

I think the best thing for Israel to do under the present circumstances is to announced to the whole world of their intention of a complete ceasefire to prevent any more loss of innocent Gazan lives and call upon HAMAS to do the same.
Israel should absolutely not retaliate even if HAMAS still fire rockets into Southern Israel to prove to the world that HAMAS is the culprit in wanting this war. If HAMAS continues to fire rockets into Southern Israel, then the Israelis should give a set time frame for HAMAS to ceasefire or else the Israelis is justifiable to defend themselves in whatever means possible.

Hopefully, this might convince the rest of the Muslims world that HAMAS is the aggressor and that Muslims cannot simply and blindly support radical fellow Muslims.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 05, 2009 13:36:21
So cheekhiaw, you are in support of HAMAS and would welcome their brand of Islam in Malaysia?

In truth, and as all other MT bloggers will agree, you are the real honest to goodness Donkey here! Totally brainless and totally irrational!smilies/grin.gif
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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 13:57:27
Thanks, Rainbowseahorse, for the support. I knew my "white knight" would turn up to rescue the "old idiot"! smilies/cheesy.gif. A Muslim and a Christian standing together in solidarity. Isn't that nice?

ZOMA, this blog is just for discussion. We can all be friends, and discuss the subject like adults (at least you do not resort to name calling!) smilies/wink.gif The Israelis and Palestinians both have blood on their hands. Both are just as guilty. No one can escape meeting their Maker one day. What we should really feel sorry is for the innocent Palestinians and Israelis. The ordinary Palestinians are really suffering, and we can only be realistic by raising funds to help them. Let me know, if you do and I am more than willing to participate ... cheers smilies/smiley.gif
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written by The Hammer, January 05, 2009 14:00:49
This war will never end untill the return of the Messiah!
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 05, 2009 14:16:29
Hey my ylcc smilies/grin.gif,

I watch a Malaysian Professor (didn’t quite catch his name) over on TV3 interview yesterday who basically said somewhat along my line of thinking. And I said to myself that thank Allah/God that at least someone else in Malaysia, and who is academically qualified, also share my views. I was beginning to think that I am the only Malaysian Muslim who do not quite support HAMAS.

Don’t get me wrong here, yah, for I neither fully support either parties in the war.
As one Gazan victim interviewed at an Egypt hospital by Aljazeera TV yesterday replied when asked whom he blame for the war. He replied that he blamed the Arab Leaders.
He didn’t blame the Israelis yah, and that statement tells me that the Gazan knows the cause of the war was instigated by HAMAS, the Israelis retaliated in kind, and the Palestinians in Gaza suffered for it.
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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 14:31:46
Of course, my dear RBSH. As I have said, we are sitting here so far away from the action, what can we do except sympathize with the poor folks? You kill, I kill, you take revenge, I take revenge ... it never ends. Do we blame UMNO or the people? Same principle.

This article was just posted for discussion, so the readers gave their opinions (mostly on who is at fault), which others may or may not agree on. Giving one's opinion on who you think is at fault does not necessarily mean you are taking sides, or you are nice to one party, or that the Israelis or the Palestinians are bad. You and I think along the same line, which is why we get along (and which is why you are invited to my home in Penang (no naughty idea as my husband will be watching us closely!smilies/wink.gif). There is really no need to tear at each other's throat or resort to name callings.

Take care, and the dinner/nasi lemak bet is still on!! Cheerio ...
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written by ylcc, January 05, 2009 14:48:14
OK, RBSH ... let's disappear from this posting ... getting very unpleasant. See you next blog! Bye ... smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 05, 2009 14:51:10
The fact that all of us bother to come to MT blog suggest our desire for intellectual discussions and views. Some of us are better informed while some just blindly “timbak” only. All normal human nature, I supposed, as it would really be a dreary world if all human beings agree all the time. Yike! It would be an awfully dreadful, boring, and uninteresting world indeed!

Yup, some people do get along nicely such as you & I even though we are different in religion and, probably, race. This is the concept of multiracial and ethnicity harmony dream by and desired by our founders for our country Malaysia. But reality is there will always be racial & religion divide and we Malaysians will just have to make the best out of the situation and learn to live and to get along as best we can.

Thanks again for your kind invitation my ylcc, but unfortunately my schedules do not take me, nor allow me, to head to your part of Malaysia.

Catch you later on another article in this blog...seems like some HAMAS, HASBOLLAH, and other radical supporters are coming out en mass. And you know what they say about arguing with fools; right? People will not know the difference!

Cheers and all the best!

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written by The Hammer, January 05, 2009 16:30:49
Here a schocker for those think ill of ISRAEL-they are here at PEACE HILL.They are helping our boys in blue how to collect data and analysis them.And they are already monitoring all our "intelligent and stupid" messages and comments!
Funny isn't it. Making so much noise about the war half away around the globe while they are already here to assist our local boys.
Ha, ha, ha, Malaysia supports ZION/ISRAEL indirectly! GO! Tell that to the CHEEKY fellow, the PlayBoy with PINKy LIPS and the Yem Head Moron!

GOD BLESS ISRAEL!
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written by fendyoasis, January 05, 2009 16:54:05
The Hammer,
As I said, U guys who support Israel better support BN as well. So I do speak ILL of Israel and I dont think its funny, of course you would think its funny coz u support Israel.
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written by The Hammer, January 05, 2009 18:21:11
Ha, you certaintely hate your half brother Isaac metamorphically speaking! Yes indeed you are the supporters of Ishmael! No way about it! Well that is your choice, well mine is Isaac. Period.
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written by Jit Dharma, January 05, 2009 23:15:34
Mr.Fendy. You sound like a real fanatic. Someone who thinks
out of his ass.Don't tell us what to think or who we can or should
support, you brainless fanatic. Go join your good friends
Hamas and Islamic Jihad, animals who think anyone who is not
EXACTLY like them is better off dead. Even their fellow countrymen
from Fatah. And that a loving God will bless their moronic
twisting of religion for profit.I never want to be
anywhere near a fanatic like you.Get Lost!!!!!Moron!
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written by Century Patriot, January 06, 2009 02:41:23
Since Zionist Israel was established in 1948 in 1/8th of Palestine, it has gradually expanded its territory thro violent acts and commission of genocide on the Palestinian people until Gaza and the west bank are the only area known to belong to Palestine. Still not satisfied with such expansion, the Zionists imposed all sort of obstacles and acts of violence on the Palestinians to ensure that their lives are perpetually unbearable with the intent that the Palestinians will eventually abandon Gaza.

Now, when Zionist Israel has such territorial expansion intent, would it not be possible that those so-called rockets fired by the Hamas are actually done by the Zionists themselves as a false flag for the present invasion? If Hamas has been firing all those rockets as claimed, it is impossible that only one Israelis has been killed to-date by such bombardment. It is not beyond these Zionists Jews to have their own citizens killed as collateral damage because history has shown that during the WW2 they were quite happy to allow all the Jews in Germany and other parts of Europe to be exterminated by Hitler just because those poor Jews chose to go to US and England instead of Israel!!

Those who still think that the present day Zionist Israelis are the descendents of Isaac, please check your facts becos Isaac’s descendents are Sephardic Jews and the Zionist Israelis are Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi Jews originated from the Kazaria and they became Jew by adopting Judaism. They are no more GOD chosen people then you and I.

In regards to This is what Menahem Begin said

"Our Race is the Master Race. We are divine Gods on this planet. We are as Different from the Inferior races as they are from Insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are Beasts & Animals, Cattle at best. Other races are considered as human Excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the Inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our Slaves."

I find it very interesting. To those who care to enlighten themselves, just go into

http://www.henrymakow.com/the_cabalist_plan_to_harvest_y.html



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written by Sabahfan, January 06, 2009 05:09:05
to this bullshitter " cheekhiaw," yeah, if you go an wave a Hamas flag on the other side, yes i will be willing to wave a 5 pointed star on the other side...

bloody supporter of terrorist....even during biblical times the Philistines and the Jews have been killing each other with spears, bows and arrows, now they just use rockets and missiles.... so what? you can use any arguments but you will never win whose side is in the correct side...

Only bullshitters like you get sucked in by the politics of UMNO trying to champion palestine cause BUT never go there and fight, otherwise afraid the jews special branch will bomb KL too... ha ha ha ha ha
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written by Sabahfan, January 06, 2009 05:10:09
As far as i know, if not for Hamas rockets, there wouold have been no invasion..

far as i am concerned they fukking deserved to be flatteenned to the ground...
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written by fendyoasis, January 06, 2009 09:24:21
Jit Dharma,
Hey now ur calling me names...dont take ur own advice is it? Im not fanatic I only support the truth and speaks the truth, hey whos the one that started the war, was it hamas or was it israel? U tell me, or r u going to spread lies again?
I think because ur brain is in ur ass, thats why what u talk is all 1st class SHITE ..dumbass! GO and vote for BN and to whoever supports Israel (especially U who talks shite).
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written by cheekhiaw, January 06, 2009 14:23:44
sabahfan

what you know can likely be fit into the brains of an earthworm.

xxx
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 06, 2009 14:40:17
I see even today fellow bloggers are still trying to convince each other that they are right while the other is wrong!

Nobody can dispute history and how the State of Israel came about. And the long outstanding issue of the Palestinian-Israel conflict cannot and will not be sorted out now nor in the near future; if at all!

It is now no longer about who first broke the ceasefire agreement, or even who is right & wrong. The important issue here is for the immediate ceasefire to stop further loss of innocent Gazan lives.

I literally weep for them on seeing scene of young children & innocence Gazans killed by this senseless war. How many more will be sacrificed before humanity decides to put an end to all this loss of lives?

Supporting one party over another at this time is totally useless and definately not what Gazans wants as it only prolong this totally senseless war. Gazans do not want this war and they most certainly do not want to be killed by it. They simply just want some Leaders, Arabs or otherwise, to bring an immediate halt to this crazy & senseless war.

Is this too much to ask of the Arab World, especially the Palestinians, to unite and, collectively, pressure anywhere & anyhow possible for the US & the EU to exert their influences on Israel for an immediate ceasefire. By all mean, the OIC should send peace keepers to stabilize the region and to bring immediate aids to these poor and hard-hit Gazans, most of whom just want peace and normal life.

Nobody can nor will they win this type of war. The innocent Gazans are the ones who have to pay with their lives for the conflict.

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written by fendyoasis, January 06, 2009 15:00:27
Rainbowhorse,
Actually nobody can dispute who started the war first...and I KNOW that u only knew that Israel who started the war first. Coz uve been blaiming Hamas all these while...now U cant even admit that U are wrong! See its people like you what makes the struggle for Palestine so difficult! Both sides are wronglah, Hamaz were irresponsilelah...but when the truth comes out, U have the guts to say:

"It is now no longer about who first broke the ceasefire agreement, or even who is right & wrong"-Rainbowseahorse

I bet U must have supported the war in Iraq as well. The condemnation should be to Israel and to Israel alone. Never was Hamas fault. And dont tell lies that people in Palestine dont not support Hamaz, where the hell do u get that? Have u ever talk to any Palestinian urself? Hamas won a LANDSLIDE victory in the most democratic election in the Arab world! Yeah sure, the Gazan victim (refer to ur post) didnt say that he suppors Hamaz but did he say he does not support Hamaz? U should retract all ur statement that blames Hamas previously.

First U say hamas instigated the war...now u are wrong, u can say it doesnt matter who started the war first?...this is hypocrisy of the worst kind...same as KJ.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 06, 2009 15:20:17
fendyoasis,

Tell that to the Gazans who are holding their dead children in their arms or the mother weeping over her dead children, or to the fathers dazed at the lost of his entire family.
Do you think these Gazan care who is right or wrong in this war?
All they want is peace & a normal life. All these supporters like you are clamoring and, in the process, egging HAMAS & the Israelis on with the war which will kill more innocence Gazas.

I find it useless to argue with you as I have my opinion and you have yours...no matter how narrow minded and fanitical your views are!

All sides should each urged, pressure, or exert whatever they can to stop the war immediately! Supporting any one side will just fan the conflict, and prolong the war which means more innocent Gazan lives will lost in this senseless war.
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written by fendyoasis, January 06, 2009 15:34:10
Rainbowseahorse,

What?!!! U think the Gazans dont care, whos rightor whos wrong in the war?

They want justice! They want their rights back.
They want their land back! They want people like U to stop spreading lies...and U still cant even admit that U were wrong!...Gazans want the world to know that Israel is massacring them when there are people like U trying to blame it on Hamas when they elected Hamas with overwhelming majority!

..Useless to argue with me? Hey its U who cant even admit that U were wrong about who started the war first! U know, like Badawi cant admit that he is stupid and US cant admit that they made a mistake in the war in Iraq....and I know U supported the war in Iraq.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 07, 2009 11:05:14
Fendyoasis,

You are exactly what fanatics are all about…unable for neither rationale nor clear understanding of issues.

We can’t blame you though as we cannot expect you to understand world politics nor to comprehend what world leaders (Arabs & Western ones) have been discussing and deciding upon as you most probably cannot follow new developments through your one track mind.

For your benefits, this is what’s happening in a nut shell:
The French President will be persuading the USA & EU to pressure Israel to an immediate ceasefire, and the Syrian President will work on HAMAS to do the same.
But then, of course, you are so absorbed in your narrow mindedness that you will still be unable to get the whole picture.

Go ahead and protest with KJ and the rest of the other protesters. Volunteer to be a suicide bomber if you so chooses!

Salaam!
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written by fendyoasis, January 07, 2009 14:05:44
what the hell r u talking about? U r exactly what we call munafiks, why dont u join Lina Joy and be a murtad?
How long did U dig up to look for that statement from the French? U think i didnt know about it? How long did U take to realize that Hamas didnt start all these? A year? 10 years? Ur whole life?
Dont need to update me about current events laa, I klnow more than U will ever know anything...I dont give Salaam to munafiks.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 08, 2009 13:38:44
Salaam my dear bro fendyoasis, and don't get your knickers all in a twist; yah!smilies/grin.gif

Ignorance is bliss!


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