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I have one question and hope some of our Muslim brothers don't mind to explain more about the Hudud Law.

Let say someone (a Muslim Guy) if found guilty for stealing and been amputated according to Hudud Law. What will happen to this guy after the punishment? Since his arm already been chopped, I believe he will be jobless from that moment. So after this situation:-

a) Who suppose to take care him?

b) Suppose if he already married and have childrens, who're going to feed his
family?

c) Who going to support him for all his other financial burden?


I'm asking this is because, with the existing law, atleast this guy still can find a job after his jail sentences but with Hudud Law, how this guy going to continue with his life where he will find almost impossible to get a job because now he's handicap.

Hope to hear a sincere explanation from any of our Muslim brother. Thank you

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Binarytan,

Agree with you but let our Muslim Brothers clear my doubt. Because all the while ever since the subject of HUDUD LAW arised people are talking about the 1st half only, which is the chopping the arm for stealing and so on So I would like to know from their point of view for the 2nd half. What will happen to this person once his arm or any other part of his body been chopped.

After his sentence been executed, how he and his family going to survive? Or is it since he is handicap, now onwards his family (if he is not married, his parents or if he's married, his wife and kids) need to take care of him in every aspect? It's a very simple question and I believe our Muslim Brothers are able to clear my doubt.

I believe most of will have this doubt..... Hope to get the explanation for this doubt... thank you.

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Let RPK answer since he is the learned one on this matter.

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Though I believe it would be dealt by Baitulmal...Malaysia never really spent the Baitulmal money collected from the Muslims

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Hudud explores what went wrong and how to put it right. It is not about imposing on society and causing tears to be shed.

Thieves must not be automatically punished under Hudud. The circumstances need to first be explored. Under common law thieves must not escape punishment. The circumstances do not matter. If a thief is a thief because of circumstances then the thief is not a thief and society must instead be punished, as far as Hudud is concerned. Society will be ordered to adopt the thief. The thief will become the ward of the state. And the thief can now leave his life and crime and enter into a life of adoption.

Such is the beauty of Hudud. A thief is not a thief. A thief becomes our adopted child. And if, again, he needs to steal because we have failed him, then we receive punishment instead. The thief loses no limb. But do people understand this? They do not because they are meant to not understand. This is about politics. And politicians are prostitutes. They exploit us and deceive us. And that is a mark of a good politician.

Spot on RPK.

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Dear Steven Tan,

Before I answer you main question Let me briefly explain the surface of the particular law first.

Hudud is an Islamic Criminal (jenayah in malay and jinayah in arabic) Law which was commanded by God in the Quran/Hadis. among them are offenses like 1. adultery(Zina), 2. false accusation on adultery (Qadhaf),3. Consumption of intoxicated liquid (arak), 4. stealing 5. robbery (6. Murtad 7. Penderhakaan)

In Islamic criminal punishments there are two types i.e the Hadd and the Ta'zir punishment. another kind of punishment is call Qisas (blood money).

Hadd Punishment is purely Allah's command and there is no minimum or maximum punishment. Hadd punishment is fixed by Allah or Hadith and it is mandatory to execute by all Muslims.

Ta'zir refers to punishment that can be administered at the discretion of the judge, as opposed to hadd. Traditionally, ta'zir punishments could be applied to offenses for which no punishment is specified in the Qur'an. They could also be applied to hadd offenses in situations where the standards of proof required for hudud punishments could not be met.

Qisas is an Islamic term meaning retaliation, similar to the biblical principle of an eye for an eye. In the case of murder, it means the right of the heirs of a murder victim to demand execution of the murderer.

Since your question is about "chopping hands" let me explain about the offense first i.e stealing. I skip on robbery because robbery is not stealing. Robbery involved physical hurt to the owner. The law and punishment of stealing is as follows:

And whoso the man or the woman is a thief, then cut off their hands, the recompense for what they have done, a punishment from Allah And Allah is Dominant, Wise.

Quran, surah Al Maidah 5:38

Punishment for Stealing under Had are divided into two categories: 1. Minor Theft crime and 2. Major Theft Crime (Hirabah).

Minor Theft crime is the stealing some one property without the knowledge and consent of the owner.

Major Theft crime is the taking of another property by force and without consent of the owner.

There are stealing offenses which could be sentenced by Ta'zir which I will not say it here as it will not be relevant to your question.

The theft must be: 1. Age of Islamic Majority (Baligh), 2. Sound mind, 3. steal on own will/intention, 4. Muslim, 5. No blood relation to the owner- up to grand parent and granson level, 6. no coercion 7. knows that the property belongs to someone and it is wrong to take it away.

To commit the offender the following must be proven:
1. Witnesses
a. not less than 2 male who must physically saw the offense made.
b. Muslim
c. Fair
d. age of Islamic majority
e. sound mind
f. etc etc similar in adultery offenses
2. Declaration by the accused
3. swearing and admission of the accused.

If I elaborate more, you will find it is not so easy to simply chopped off the accused hand as what the non-Muslim in Malaysia thought...and only Muslim hands can be punished under hadd punishments.

My answers to Mr Steven shall be continued below:

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Ok now let me answer your question, Mr Steven Tan

As far as Islam is concern, Hudud punishment have its own benefits. Hudud was commanded by Allah as a threat to the believers so that they will not get involved in certain offenses and it is a way to save the society from receiving damages and losses due to the criminal actions and it is also a way to clean the sin of the offenders themselves.

Mr Steven is one of the millions non-believers (inclusive of many Muslims too)who have doubt of the effectiveness of Hudud punishments. They feel that the "chopping of thieves hands" are no more relevant in this modern civilization world. They feel that this kind of punishment is barbaric and beyond humane. Actually they are looking at the harshness of the punishment but they forgot about barbaric crime and the danger and damages the offender did to the society.

People like Mr Steven cried out loud to see the barbaric criminal hands is going to be chopped off, but does he is concern about the crime of theft and the following possible offenses that could happened when a thieve entered his or his family premises? How many other offenses could a thieve do before he steal? How many trespassing toward a person or persons and the major damages that innocent people have been burden by the act of these thieves? How many Properties and Wealth have be illegally taken away by these criminals? How many people have become beggars because their properties have be stolen? Does Mr Steven ever thought of these?

Mr Steven is more concern about the missing hand of the thieve rather than the safety and the stabilization of the society's security.

Have people like Mr Steven ever asked, which is more better for the citizens; to chop off one or two hand every year, which will eventually eliminate the offenses of stealing or save the criminal hand and put him in jail and steal again when he served his sentence? Mr Steven should go to visit the jail and ask the inmates jailed because of stealing offenses. Ask them how many times have they been jail for the same offense. He will be surprise that many have been in jail for more than 10 times.

Tell me Mr Steven, how much total money have been stolen daily? How many Cars have been stolen every day in broad daylight? since when criminal rate goes down? How many more policemen need to be recruited?

Successful punishments are those which could defeat criminals but not those punishments which can be defeated by the criminals.

History have proven that Islamic society who implemented hudud punishment can live in peace, security, dignity, and in the society where the criminal come forward and give in to the authority asking to be punished so that his sin will be washed.

In Saudi Arabia, within 24 years (1969-1993) only 16 hands been chopped off. Today there is no security guard at goldsmiths, banks etc etc In Saudi Arabia. Traders can leave their goods unattended without worrying it might be stolen.

Isn't this a good evidence about the effectiveness of executing Islamic hudud? Subbahanallah!

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In Saudi Arabia, within 24 years (1969-1993) only 16 hands been chopped off. - the dragonheart

Who decides on which hands to chop? In Malaysia, with racial and religious segregation, it is a very dangerous responsibility to allow to any national leader. It's just like ISA, which the current leadership has abused. Who decides on ISA...Home Minister or PDRM? Now it is even permissible to use it as protection. Education is a better approach instead of the use of fear to instil peace and safety. You are mistaken if you believe we can adopt Saudi's approach to improve security. It means you are not exposed or unwilling to accept the negative aspects.

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The dragonheart,

Thanks for your explanation which is a lot better than the personal attacker Maisor.

If all of you think democratic system is not good, and hudud law is a better system, why the whole complete Arab leagues are not implementing it?

And yet more prominent Islamic countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia are not implementing it?

How about Hindu Law or Busshist Law where I do not remember there are? Even there are also the very old practise which is not applicable in this modern world.

A better comparison with democratic system against hudud law shall be studied in depth before start to kick off or even to speak nationally, dear PAS members.

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Hello dragonheart,

Thanks for your wonderful explanation. Yes, stealing does have a negative effect on society, but my personal opinion is that it's the wrong reason to implement the hudud law if it's meant to scare would be thieves. Afterall we have death sentences for drug trafficking & yet still see traffickers being hanged left & right. I am certain that the amputation statistic you've quoted for oil rich Saudi Arabia will be much higher if it's taken from a poorer country that had implemented hudud.Yes?

If hudud law is implemented & my car was stolen & the thief was caught, I would rather halalkan his crime by giving him my car & letting him pay for it or let the insurance company sort it out rather than see him disabled.

The other matter on hudud law is that there are no set standards for implementations. What is accepted as huhud in Saudi Arabia might be frown upon in Afganistan or Pakistan. Even the OIC has been trying for years to come up with a set standard of hudud law for all it's members & yet until today it's still in limbo.Even in our own backyard, all religious matter is under the preview of the individual state's Sultan. As such what is acceptable in Johor might not work in Kelantan & so forth. We've still a long way to go to get hudud implemented in a plural society like ours.

A good read on the matter is Syed Akbar Ali's "Malaysia & the Club of Doom"
Cheers.

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Steven Tan,
What Mr dragonheart said already spot on, dont neeed to elaborate more...but I wanna ask U this...

What happens to the people in the non-hudud justice system who are punished but then somehow found out to be innocent? example death punishement to an innocent guy because of circusmtantial evidence, and then after U killed him , we found that he is actually innocent? whos going to suuport his family..etc, etc and all those stuff U talk about.

U see u guys are only seeing the negative and never the positive, is our current system so humane? soo mistake free?..this is actually a non issue, especially ESPECIALLY! hudud is only to be implemented on muslims and not U guys.

I would suggest this when PR rule Malaysia. Put a sign on urself to say if u support hudud or not. So if someaone steals from U, if the victim support hudud then the thief should chopped his hands off, if u dont support then let him rot in jail for maybe 1 1/2 years, then he can go scot free and steal again.

BTw have any of U guys ever got mugged? I had an expericnce once when I went behind BNM KTM station 830am on a Sunday, two guys mugged me but with the help of some people we managed to chase and catch one of the guy. Of course I chased the one who took my stuff, the other guy i let him be. ( I cant chase 2 guys at once). Believe me, no sympathy should be given his hands deserve to be cut off. Anyway, he was arrested and I found out that he was sentnce to less then 2 years.

The HUdud is actually a non issue, but KJ however cunningly and cleverly brought it up and of course the non muslims took the bait as always, making it an issue out of nothing.

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steve tan
forgot to say that i am assuming that ur example is based on an innocent victim who somehow were punished under hudud law

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I would prefer to say that it the victim is a supporter of the hudud law (doesnt matter if the victim is muslim or not muslim), then whether the thief is a muslim or not, chop his hand off...but then of course i have to give the non muslim thief some face, in the name of wanting to be fair to the non muslims, i guess if the thief is a non-muslim, we have to put him in jail for less than 2 years. Although i think his hands are better chopped off (This is subject to the thief falls under the definition that dragonheart gave).

Mycard is one of the proof that he is a muslim, but can be others as well.

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binarytan,
why are u so ignorant by think an Arab must be more pious the the non Arabs?

Yes they speak the Quranic language but that doesn't me all Arabs are Muslims and if they are Muslims the can be just like some Malay Muslim Politicians in Malaysia.

Most people know Omar Shariff is a Hollywood Actor, his name sounds Arabic, but he is not a Muslim. Alladdin might have an Arabic Name but he might be a chritian.

Sons of Abraham... people of the books..the Jews, Christian and Muslims are all from the desert land... but not many are as pious from those of non Arabs.

Maybe there are more pious Muslims in China and Indonesia than than from the whole world.

Pope is not from the desert but a white man...but Christianity was not from where pope is..

Why the non Muslims so concern about what Islam wants to do with its own criminals?

Did Islam tried to stop the Hindus or Buddhist from walking onto red hot charcoal or torture their bodies with Karwadi?

Your Religion is your religion, My God Is my God, Your Gods (and Goddess) are your Gods (and Goddess)...

If Hudud does not and may not touch a single hair on the non believers, why the non believer are so worried?

Usually those offenders and have the intention to be one are the worried ones...

That is why many Muslim Leaders do not what Hudud to be implemented... they are worried that their hands, their family hands, and their cronies hands will be chopped off.

Piousity to Allah is not about Arabs or non Arabs... it is about taq'wa

PAS is an Islamic Party (not the same as Sisters in Islam). PAS vision is to make Malaysian Muslims follow what Allah renders... Period. When? Allah will decide...

RPK calculation is right on Paper. But Tsunami and earth Quake can happens even the calculation shows they can never happen...

Great USSR can be reduced to a small Russia..and they lost to a small afghanistan troops..

USA with white majority who made blacks as slaves can have a Black president...

All is about God's will... for those who believe..

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Qwerty,

I can't imagine what it would be like if the punishment for drug trafficking and smuggling is not death by whatever means. Even with such harsh sentencing, the lure of material wealth and power that is given to one whop is wealthy is too much for some to resist hence if the sentencing is only limited to contraining someones freedom, I think there would be more drug dealers than any other profession in this world and your children and mine will be acute drug addicts.

So if you can understand this, probably you'd understand why the need for a tthe most severe punishment which comes in none other thar ending the persons life.

Likewise, theft also has its severe repercussions on its victims. I remember a Chinese lady who had her whole life savings stolen by a con artist now spending the remaining days in a mental assylum while the thief is now scot free after a few years in jail released for good behaviour. Is that justice? I , for one, knows how traumatic it was when my house was brokened into and the years of painfully collecting furnitures and fortunes were gone in a split seconds. The physcological effect is felt even until today.Although I'm still sane, there is soime mental effect in terms the things that we did to avoid another theft, how we look at people and how it had restricted our liestyle pwermanently. I you ever get the "opportunity" to expereience such trauma, you would put "hudud" high on your wish list. By the way, we did manage to catch the thieves and they were a bunch of hard core drug addicts who had 15 criminal records, amongst themselves, mostly involving house break ins. Apprently, they are already immune to this jail sentencing and its peanuts to them. For me , for the lifeterm "injury" that was inflicted on me and my family, jail sentences to them is nothing. What would be more meaningful is to stop them permanently.Now you tell me how?

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Saudara Dragon Heart, Saudara Fendyoasis,

Terima kasih di atas penjelasan anda TETAPI anda telah tersasar keluar daripada soalan saya. Soalan saya amat mudah... Saya cuma nak tahu apa akan terjadi kepada kebajikan sikudung dan keluarganya setelah beliau menjalani hukuman berasaskan HUDUD?

a) Setelah kehilangan tangan, saya percaya beliau tidak akan dapat mencari
pekerjaan lain disebabkan kecacatan beliau dan disebabkan kepercayaan
masyarakat sudah tidak ada lagi pada beliau. Jadi bagaimana si kudung ini
akan teruskan hidup beliau?

b) Katakan si kudung tadi mempunyai isteri dan 3 orang anak. Selama ini beliau
menyara kehidupan mereka dengan hasil daripada rompakan beliau. Kini selepas
beliau dijatuhkan hukuman potong tangan. Mulai dari saat ini, bagaimanakah si
isteri dan ketiga-tiga anak-anak beliau akan teruskan kehidupan mereka?
Adakah mana-mana pihak yang akan membantu isteri dan anak-anak beliau

c) Adakah setelah hukuman potong tangan dijatuhkan, isteri dan ketiga anak-anak
beliau pula yang harus menanggung si kudung tadi?

d) Sekiranya si kudung tadi masih bujang, adakah ibubapa beliau yang kini
terpaksa membanting tulang walau pun telah berusia hanya untuk menyara beliau
yang tidak dapat bekerja?

Saudara Dragon Heart dan Saudara Fendyoasis,

Saya tidak begitu kisah tentang apa yang akan berlaku kepada sikudung tadi tetapi apa yang saya risaukan ialah anak dan isteri (dan ibubapa) beliau yang tidak berdosa. Apa akan terjadi kepada kebajikan dan pelajaran anak-anak beliau kerana kini mereka sekeluarga telah hilang punca pendapatan?

Patutkah ibubapa sikudung yang kemungkinan besar telah tua berhempas pulas kembali hanya untuk menanggung sikudung tersebut?

Secara kesimpulan, apa yang saya ingin tahu daripada saudara berdua adalah mengenai NASIB YANG BAKAL MENIMPA KELUARGA si pencuri yang telah dijatuhkan hukuman potong tangan berasaskan hukuman HUDUD?

Memang kesalahan yang beliau lakukan tidak dapat dimaafkan dan berdosa besar kepada mangsa tetapi janganlah di sebabkan "Marahkan Pijat, Kelambu Dibakar". Saya rasa sekiranya beliau dijatuhkan hukuman mati sekali pun, situasi tidak lah seteruk hukuman potong tangan kerana sekurang-kurangnya sesiapa pun tidak perlu menanggung beliau tetapi disebabkan beliau masih hidup dan kini kudung, isteri dan anak-anak beliau yang terpaksa berkongsi kesusahan disebabkan perbuatan tidak bertanggungjawab beliau iaitu MENCURI.

Akhir kata, saya berharap saudara berdua dapat jelaskan situasi yang saya kemukakan SAHAJA dan tidak perlu melencong jauh daripada topik atau pun terkeluar topik sampai soal saya yang bukan-bukan. Saya tahu, HUDUD adalah untuk orang Islam sahaja, jadi tidak perlulah saudara meningatkan saya hanya kerana saya bertanya dan ingin mengetahui secara lebih lanjut. Terima kasih dan maafkan saya sekiranya penjelasan saya agak menyinggung sedikit.

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Saudara Dragon Heart dan Saudara Fendyoasis,

Jangan lupa... seperti yang anda nyatakan di atas, undang-undang HUDUD adalah untuk orang ISLAM sahaja oleh yang demikian selalu sangat anda cuba meletakkan titik noktah (full stop) apabila kami yang bukan Islam cuba mendapatkan penjelasan. Jangan lupa, seandainya hukuman berasaskan HUDUD menjadi realiti, kami yang bukan Islam pun akan turut terlibat walau pun kami tidak bersetuju dengan sistem perundangan tersebut. Beberapa Contoh yang jelas telah terjadi di negara kita di mana beberapa insiden di mana mayat-mayat yang telah dirampas daripada keluarga bukan Islam dengan alasan mayat tersebut adalah mayat Islam (Mualaf). Jadi suka tak suka, kami pun terlibat di dalam sebarang perubahan lebih-lebih lagi sekiranya ianya melibatkan agama.

CONTOH PERTAMA:
Katakan sesuatu kejadian kecurian dapat dikesan dan pencurinya adalah BUKAN ISLAM dan mangsanya pula adalah seorang ISLAM, sekarang pada pandangan anda dengan sistem perundangan yang manakah kes ini akan diadili?

CONTOH KEDUA:
Katakan sesuatu kejadian kecurian dapat dikesan dan pencurinya adalah SEORANG ISLAM dan mangsanya pula adalah seorang BUKAN ISLAM, sekarang pada pandangan anda dengan sistem perundangan yang manakah kes ini akan diadili?

Sekiranya anda di posisi simangsa, adakah anda akan bersetuju si pencuri yang bukan Islam diadili dengan sistem perundangan yang sedia ada atau pun diadili dengan sistem HUDUD? Dan begitu juga di situasi disebaliknya?

Saya tahu apa yang saya utarakan adalah sensetif, tapi saya percaya anda cukup matang dan berpemikiran terbuka untuk menjawabnya. Sekian dan terima kasih

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Wahai saudara Steven Tan,
Saye tak melencong jauh2 cuma hanya nak menunjukkan betapa tak adil nye nak menanyekan soalan yang tak munasabah macam tu. Takkan tak paham2 jugak. Adekah kita menghukum keluarga si pencuri, saye rase tidak. "Marahkan Pijat, Kelambu dibakar" perumpamaan steve tan tersebut tak boleh di pakai langsung.

Apabila seorang bapa membunuh orang lain dan di jatuhkan hukuman bunuh, mengikut logik sedara, tak payahlah kita masukkan die dalam penjara demi anak2 dan isteri2 pembunuh tersebut, begitu? Sebab dengan menghukum si pembunuh, make kite juga menghukum keluarga si pembunuh? begitu?

Sekurang2nye kalau si pencuri itu mempunyai keluarga, die masih hidup lagi, cuma kudung tangan je dan tak payah masuk penjara 2 tahun. Ape, ingat orang kudung tangan tak boleh buat kerja ke? Kalao dah pandai mencurik, pandai lah carik keje dengan tangan kudung tuh.

Paham ke tak Steve? saye tak suke gune hadis ke ape ke kalao nak berdebat dengan sedara, saye akan gune logik untuk mematahkan hujah sedara kerane saye rase anda yang anti hudud, anti Islam, anti Pas dll akan hanya paham logik daripada saye menjelaskan Islam secare theology.

Nasib yang bakal menimpa keluarga tersebut, only God knows. Mungkin si isteri boleh kawin lain, mungkin keluarga tersebut boleh di tolong oleh BaitulMal, kite mane tau? We cant see the future.

Akhir kate, adekah saye melencong jauh? saye rase tidak. Ape kate sedara Steve jawab soaln saye yang asal, ape akan jadi terhadap keluarga si pembunuh apabila si pembunuh di hukum bunuh oleh mahkamah?

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Steve Tan,
Mase saye post komen 15:49 tadi, komen anda pade 15:30 tidak kelihatan,. Sekarang baru saye nampak.
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CONTOH PERTAMA:
Katakan sesuatu kejadian kecurian dapat dikesan dan pencurinya adalah BUKAN ISLAM dan mangsanya pula adalah seorang ISLAM, sekarang pada pandangan anda dengan sistem perundangan yang manakah kes ini akan diadili

CONTOH KEDUA:
Katakan sesuatu kejadian kecurian dapat dikesan dan pencurinya adalah SEORANG ISLAM dan mangsanya pula adalah seorang BUKAN ISLAM, sekarang pada pandangan anda dengan sistem perundangan yang manakah kes ini akan diadili?

Sekiranya anda di posisi simangsa, adakah anda akan bersetuju si pencuri yang bukan Islam diadili dengan sistem perundangan yang sedia ada atau pun diadili dengan sistem HUDUD? Dan begitu juga di situasi disebaliknya?-Steve Tan
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Refer to post pukul 12:20:17. Semua saye sudah buat rumusan kat situ.

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Saudara Fendyoasis,

Keluarga si pembunuh akan kehilangan beliau. Dan mereka terpaksa berdikari untuk teruskan hidup. Betul ke jawapan saya?... Seperti yang saya nyatakan terlebih dahulu. Kalau si penjenayah dihukum mati...senang... habis cerita TAPI masalahnya ialah si pencuri tadi dijatuhkan hukuman potong tangan, jadi dia ni masih hidup. Disebabkan dia ini masih hidup, keluarga terdekat beliau samada anak dan isteri atau pun ibubapa dan adik beradik beliau pula yang terpaksa MENANGGUNG si setan ini.

Saudara Fendyoasis, cakap memang senang....sedangkan orang tidak cacat yang ada sijil kelulusan pun susah untuk mendapatkan pekerjaan, inikan pula orang yang dah di cap sebagai pencuri, kudung pulak... mungkin sekiranya saudara adalah taukey, mungkin boleh ambil dia bekerja di syarikat anda , jadi Tukang Ampu dan lain-lain tukang.... Saudara Fendyoasis, sekiranya anda ingin menjadi "Hakim", anda perlu melihat daripada kesemua sudut dan bukan satu sudut sahaja....Untuk pengetahuan saudara, saya berkawan dengan orang Melayu (Islam)dah lama sangat iaitu sejak dari zaman kanak-kanak lagi sampai ke hari ini, hampa tergerak sikit pun saya tahu apa maksudnya walau bagaimana pun saya ini bukannya anti Islam dan anti Hudud tapi saya rasa kenal sangat dengan orang Melayu, itu sahaja, jangan marah

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Steve Tan,
Jawapan anda memang tepat...sebenarnye yang bersalah perlu di hukum, tak semestinye keluarga si penjenayah nak menanggung si pencuri, seperti yang saye katakan, si isteri boleh mintak cerai dan kawin lain, gerenti diluluskan oleh mahkamah syariah kerana suaminye seorang yang tak amanah. Kalao si isteri nak tanggung si suami, tak kisah, tanggunglah si setan tersebut kalao nak. Bagi saye neutral, potong tangan sama, tak potong tangan sama, due2 pun bawak masalh ke atas keluarga...tetapi ape2hal, kalo dah mencurik, kena potong tangan. Berani buat, berani tanggung. High risk, high reward.

Kalao Steve prihatin sangat ngan keluarga pencurik tu, raise a fund, mintak derma bagi pihak keluarga pencurik, suka hatilah

Sedare ni pulak cakap pasal undeducated pencuri, aiseeii bukan semua pencurik tu tak educated, kalo dah takde kelulusan, orang biase pun susah nak carik keje. Cube tengok politician yang mencurik harta rakyat tuh, takde kelulusan ke? macam saye cakap, kalo dah pandai mencurik, pandai lah carik keje. Kalo dah tak dapat carik keje, bukan salah kite yang tak nak ambik mereka bekerja, HOWEVER, kalao saye rase die betul2 dah insaf, saye akan amik2 sape2 pun untuk bekeja.

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Saudara Fendyoasis,

Senangnya kita berdua bercakap ye... memenang si isteri boleh mintak cerai dan Mahkamah Syariah akan meluluskan tetapi... kalau ada rupa dan cutting macam Arbaeyah Abdul Manan mungkin ada orang nak kahwin janda beranak tiga tapi kalau dah masuk kategori "scape item" ada ke orang nak masuk meminang .

Itu cerita kalau si setan ini dah berkahwin. Bagaimana pula ceritanya sekiranya si setan in masih bujang dan menetap dengan ibubapa...boleh tak ibubapa tersebut "CERAIKANNYA"??? ... Kalau boleh then NO PROBLEM...tapi kalau tak boleh cerai nak sumbat ke mana si setan ni, saudara Fendyoasis???

Hari ini saudara Fendy boleh cakap....tapi sekiranya saudara fendy adalah seorang usahawan yang berjaya, hanya DIA sahaja yang tahu samada saudara akan mengajikan si setan yang mungkin educated dan mungkin bekas politician yang tidak berhati perut mencuri harta rakyat sebagai pegawai kanan di syarikat saudara. Hari ini kita boleh bercakap apa sahaja kerana itu semua imaginasi tetapi sekiranya kesemua ini realiti, baru kita tahu tindakan sebenar benar kita, selagi itu kita berdua dan lain-lain kawan kawan kita boleh cakap dan terus cakap, kerana kita rasa selamat dan selesa kerana tidak ada sesiapa pun yang kenal di antara satu sama lain. Walau bagaimana pun saya ingin mengambil kesempatan ini untuk mengucapkan Selamat Tahun Baru kepada saudara fendy, dragon heart dan kesemua kawan-kawan kita yang lain. Terima kasih

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Macam ni lah saudara steve tan - dalam Islam ada jawapannya...kita ada institusi zakat. Kalau keluaraga si penjenayah terjerumus dalam kemiskinan atau kefakiran, tanggung jawab baitulmal untuk membantu melalui salah satu daripada asnaf zakat.

Terima kasih kerana ingin tahu, cuma saya harap soalan tu biarlah betul2 ikhlas ingin tahu.

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Hudud Law ini saya percaya telah di'manipulate' oleh;
1. Orang-orang politik yang berkepentingan sendiri atau kumpulan mereka. Mereka menggunakan isu ini untuk menakut-nakutkan pihak-pihak tertentu demi untuk mendapat kepentingan politik sendiri sehingga kebenaran hukum itu diselewengkan. Kepada pihak-pihak yang begitu mudah ditakutkan itu pula kerana kebodohsombongan mereka menyebabkan mereka begitu mudah ditakut-takutkan oleh orang-orang politik ini.
2. Ignorant pihak-pihak tertentu sama ada mereka yang Islam atau bukan-Islam.
Yang Islam kerana amalan agama yang salah yang menimbulkan keraguan kepada yang bukan-Islam yang menganggap amalan yang salah itu adalah amalan sebenar agama Islam.Ini ditambah pula kurang penjelasan kepada yang bukan-Islam dan apabila disebut sahaja aktiviti Islam, hanya orang Islam saja yang boleh hadir maka menjauhkan lagi yang bukan-Islam nak ambil tahu tentang Islam dan ini menimbulkan prejudis dan kepada orang Melayu pula yang menjadikan Islam itu hak mereka saja. Yang bukan-Islam tak mahu ambil tahu langsung tentang Islam kerana prejudis dan tindakan majoriti orang Melayu yang telah menjadikan Islam itu dia orang punya. Yang bukan-Islam (lebih baik disebut bukan-Melayu) apabila berada dalam majlis-majlis berkaitan Islam menjadi serba tak kena berada dalam majlis-majlis itu dan dipandang lain macam oleh yang Islam (Melayu). Ini adalah juga angkara orang-orang politik yang menjalankan dasar-dasar yang tidak memberikan hakikat sebenar ajaran Islam itu adalah untuk semua umat manusia tak kira apa bangsa sekiranya ianya ingin meyakinkan kepada yang bukan-Islam bahawa Islam itu adalah untuk semua. Orang Melayu sendiri tidak yakin dengan kekuatan pegangan agama sendiri sehingga diadakan peraturan-peraturan yang secara tak langsung menghalang penglibatan orang bukan-Melayu kerana dikhuatiri pelakuan yang bukan-Melayu mempengaruhi orang Melayu sehingga terseleweng akidah mereka sendiri. Dalam hal ini sepatutnya orang Melayu Islam perlu kuat dan yakin dan menunjukkan kepada yang bukan-Islam bahawa Islam itu indah, adil, saksama, the best dan untuk semua umat manusia bukannya untuk orang Melayu sahaja. Apabila keyakinan dapat ditunjukkan kepada yang bukan-Islam, prejudis negatif tentang Islam dan orang Melayu akan terhapus dan begitu jugalah sebaliknya. Orang Melayu sendiri mempunyai prejudis begitu tebal dan mengambil pendekatan bagaikan musuh terhadap bukan-Islam sehinggakan tidak berupaya untuk meyakinkan mereka untuk mengikis prejudis negatif orang bukan-Islam. Ini bermakna orang Islam sendiri tidak boleh berpeluk tubuh dan mengambil sikap bermusuhan kalau ingin mengikis prejudis negatif tersebut dan membawa orang bukan-Islam menerima perundangan Islam. Bukan begitu mudah nak mengubah situasi seperti sekarang kerana tindakan negatif yang telah dilakukan oleh orang-orang berkuasa masa dulu, masa kini dan mungkin selamanya, akibatnya selama itulah Islam yang semua orang pun telah diberitahu bahawa ianya adalah indah, adil, saksama dan untuk semua umat manusia akan tetap dilihat suatu yang negatif dan bukan seperti yang dilaung-laungkan itu. Adalah menjadi tanggungjawab kepada orang Islam TULEN untuk memperjuangkan kebenaran yang mereka begitu yakin adalah benar dan sebenar-benarnya supaya penyelewengan, pengkhianatan kepada kebenaran ini dapat dihapuskan. Untuk itu orang Islam TULEN perlu mempunyai sifat-sifat Nabi Muhammad dan para nabi yang lain yang mempunyai semua nilai murni untuk mengembangkan syiar Islam kepada orang yang dikatakan Islam tetapi tidak mempraktiskan Islam yang benar dan kepada yang bukan-Islam. Itulah perjuangan pertama yang hebat yang perlu ditempohi oleh kawan-kawan kita di sini yang ingin menyakinkan majoriti kawan-kawan bukan-Islam. Saudara-saudara tidak boleh marah dan mudah melatah kepada mereka kerana prejudis mereka bukannya timbul dari mereka sendiri tetapi dari pengamatan mereka terhadap amalan agama dan tindakan yang dilihat tidak adil dan bukan untuk semua umat manusia yang dilakukan oleh orang Melayu Islam sendiri.

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