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Thursday, 11 December 2008 09:30

(The Star) LAWYERS not proficient in Bahasa Malaysia should not be allowed to become legal officers and judges, reported Utusan Malaysia.

It quoted Malaysian Syariah Lawyers’ Association president Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar as saying that it was important to strengthen the use of Bahasa Malaysia as the official language in the country’s court system.

Those who could not speak in the national language should not be allowed to argue in court, he said.

“The issue of lawyers and judges who cannot speak in Bahasa Malaysia should have ended 41 years ago when all the important Acts were translated into Bahasa Malaysia,” he said.

He was commenting on lawyer Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Abdul Rahman’s article, published in Mingguan Malaysia recently, that the use of Bahasa Malaysia in the courts should be expedited.

Abdul Aziz said there was a phenomenon in courts where Bahasa Malaysia and English were used at the same time.

Zainul Rijal said almost all the debates and proceedings at the magistrate and Sessions courts were conducted in Bahasa Malaysia.

However, he said, the use of Bahasa Malaysia was still not at satisfactory level at the High Courts, Courts of Appeal and Federal Courts.

He suggested that the Government tighten conditions on the promotion of judges, magistrates, prosecution officers and lawyers to ensure that they were proficient in both Bahasa Malaysia and English.

Former Court of Appeal Judge Datuk Shaik Daud Md Ismail said the judiciary should act quickly on the issue, including organising Bahasa Malaysia courses for law practitioners.

He said this was to ensure that people understood the language when handling the cases.

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written by michael chick, December 11, 2008 09:41:17
And LAWYERS not proficient in HONESTY should not be allowed to become legal officers and judges regardless of how good their bloody BM is.
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written by tkahyap, December 11, 2008 09:57:16
how about making sure that all lawyers are proficient in english? after all, our system is rooted in the british system.

what a waste of time this suggestion is. in malaysia a court case drags on for decades, due to endless delays and incompetent judges.
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written by sydput, December 11, 2008 10:04:41
So of we have international dispute, we may as well go to singapore courts to resolve it.
We should put dewan bahasa, who have a monopoly on school books in Malaysia, out of business for making malay students more stupid. Just look at the standard of spoken bahasa on TV and you will understand. The malay spoken by Indonesians are much higher.
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written by The Hammer, December 11, 2008 10:08:45
It quoted Malaysian Syariah Lawyers’ Association president Zainul Rijal Abu Bakar as saying that it was important to strengthen the use of Bahasa Malaysia as the official language in the country’s court system.

Yeah, yeah, and Syariah Lawyers' ASSociation must be profiency in Arabic first before they open big stinking mouth!
Please don't meedle in our non Muslim/Islamic courts!
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written by InEffective, December 11, 2008 10:21:12

First learn how to dispense unbiased justice, and how to assure the arbitration process is functional before worrying about language.

Dysfunctional lawyers - cannot do anything right, simply shoot their mouth on irrelevant issues.
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written by Lembing, December 11, 2008 10:37:05
AND most of the legal terms will be still be expressed in English...so the Bahasa Malay has to borrowed thousands of English legal terms..

AND as if by using Bahasa Malay, justice will be dispensed more justly...

NEXT item on the IDIOT'S agenda is to make all overseas' university's degree in law irrelevant (including England's unversities) and all overseas qualified lawyers have to sit for the law degree conducted by one the local university...where only Malays will pass with flying colours, and NON-MALAYS will certainly fail.
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written by advocatusdiaboli, December 11, 2008 10:58:18
what is it to you what language is used? As long as JUSTICE is dispensed it does not matter if BM or English is used. I can criticise your Syariah Lawyers ASSociation too but u will not like it especially when the truth hurts. Zainul Rijal, your ASSociation itself does not represent ALL lawyers.
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written by truthbespoken, December 11, 2008 11:27:52
Those fellas from the MMLA and MSLA are nothing more than street-shouters!. They behave more like trouble-makers, not lawyers, not interested in their primary task of dispensing justice. Otherwise, how come they cannot recognise that English is the way to go in the courts as our system is based on the English system? Or is it in their devious motives to eventually convert all courts in a multi-racial and multi-religious country to the syariah system?

It won't work, idiots, because non-muslims in the country will not accept syariah laws! Stubborn pride and stupid parochialism are often within the realm of unthinking and regressive oppressors! We have many in Malaysia! There is no more meaning to even talk about the Utusan toilet paper!
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written by onnetline, December 11, 2008 11:36:56
It is necessary to create great difficulties among all, simply to boast a language with borrowed English words or vocabularies ?

And here, our leaders are talking about a globally competitive Malaysia. Is this some kind of a sick joke or what ?

English is clearly more superior and UNIVERSAL !
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written by beijing, December 11, 2008 11:38:10
Not the bar lowyers not good in BM. It is the justtice who dont understand BI.
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written by carribeanking7, December 11, 2008 11:49:52
I was just waiting for some to come up with such statements

Article 152 states that the national language is the Malay language. However, the Constitution guarantees the freedom of learning and using of other languages, except on official purposes. Official purposes here means any purpose of the Government, whether Federal or State, and includes any purpose of a public authority. To this effect, all court proceedings and parliamentary documents and meetings are conducted in Malay.

but it was not always so, the courts were generally exempted and continued in the English language , there were many technical problems especially especially legal lexicon, does dewan bahasa and pustaka have concise definitive translation for all these? Then in litigation where disputing parties produced commercial contracts written in English, a lot of time will be wasted translating these contracts,
the international language of commerce is English. Many miss the point that there are no available avenues to study the law in Bahasa Malaysia, even if you are proficient in bahasa malaysia you study the law in english, so after all those years of studying the subject in English, is one expected to suddenly aquire the ability to practice the law in Bahasa Malaysia ?
Did Dewan bahasa dan pustaka spearhead any initiative to translate the tomes of legal lexicon and case precedents in Bahasa malaysia? In the first place can they ? nothing Zilch! by the time translations are done , many things will become obsolete ( The same reason you wont find nuclear physics syllabus in Bahasa Malaysia).....or worse justice can be delayed.

Then because of political pressure they came up with this ammendment:-

The National Language (Amendment) Act 1990 came into force which removed the exemption enjoyed by the courts. The new section 8 now reads:

All proceedings (other than the giving of evidence by a witness) in the Federal Court, the Court of Appeal, the High Court or any Subordinate Court shall be in the national language

Provided that the Court may either of its own motion or on the application of any party to any proceedings and after considering the interests of justice in those proceedings, order that the proceedings (other than the giving of evidence by a witness) shall be partly in the national language and partly in the English language.


Even the above ammendment allows use of English albeit grudgingly, for obvious reasons. So what garbage is Zainul Rijal talking about ? How did he come up with his rationale that it should have been done 41 years ago?

In closing I would like to say this, leave things that far predate the Malay archipelago like Law , mathematics and Science alone.
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written by tino_chan1988, December 11, 2008 13:54:50
Someone please make these shut up instead of coming up with stupid statement and senseless proposals.
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written by Darth Vader, December 11, 2008 15:46:07
Again dpuble standards here.

School books say it is BAHASA MELAYU. Now The Star says it is BAHASA MALAYSIA.

The gomen is trying to deceive it RAKYAT. Pure bullshit you worthless shit.

In this many standards law, we should have multiple standards lawyers to deal in this kangaroo courts smilies/angry.gif
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written by kingelvis, December 11, 2008 18:30:44
It's quality of lawyers being churned out by our local varsities that should be questioned! Period. This nationalistic nonsense has been going on for far too long. Shut up and remind yourself and learn the true national language..bahasa ASLI! This is their country BODOH!! smilies/wink.gif
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written by onnetline, December 11, 2008 18:33:01
Utusan Paper is better of as toilet paper !
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written by ylcc, December 12, 2008 14:55:30
Now I can understand why we lost Pulau Batu Puteh!
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