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Invariably, being wives of Wakil Rakyat, they were all wearing tons of gold and jewellery and the rescuers had a gala time ‘relieving’ the dead and badly injured of their valuables.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

I really don’t know whether I need to write anything today. I mean, the three news items below are so, so self-explanatory that they certainly do not need further input from me. Nevertheless, you know me, I don’t often allow for something like this to pass without butting in with my comments -- so here goes.

This latest episode of the landslide in Bukit Antarabangsa reminds me of the floods in Johor two years ago. Then, too, there were complaints that the rescuers would not evacuate stranded victims unless they were paid some money. Those who suffered the bad luck of not having any spare cash on their person were left to their own devices. It seems one old Chinese woman died because they would not rescue her.

Many years ago -- some time in the 1980s -- a group of Terengganu women charted a bus to take them to Kuala Lumpur. These were all wives of Terengganu Wakil Rakyat. The Menteri Besar’s wife was supposed to have also joined the excursion but at the eleventh hour she changed her mind.

Just before the bus reached Dungun, it veered off the road and crashed down a ravine. An army truck happened to pass by and the soldiers immediately organised a rescue operation. The Dungun general hospital, which was not that far away, also sent some ambulances and a team of medics.

Nearly all the women were injured, many badly, while some were unconscious. Some died on the spot and others died later in hospital. I lost a number of friends or wives of friends in that crash, one of them my neighbour.

Invariably, being wives of Wakil Rakyat, they were all wearing tons of gold and jewellery and the rescuers had a gala time ‘relieving’ the dead and badly injured of their valuables. The looting was probably regarded as ‘payment’ for dragging the dead and injured out of the ravine.

The sad thing is, this happened to helpless women who were lying dead or badly injured and who could not offer any resistance. And the looting occurred in Terengganu Darul Imam (Terengganu the Land of Faith). And the looters were citizens of Terengganu ‘the Land of Faith’ who would never dream of missing a day of fasting or skipping even one of their five times a day prayers.

Yes, I had better stop here lest Jakim and its cohorts, again, make a police report against me and the police come arrest me on charges of ‘insulting Islam’.

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Rescuers were cold hearted

The family of a woman who recently gave birth has accused Malaysian rescue personnel of acting in a cold-hearted manner, resulting in the woman's death in the Bukit Antarabangsa landslide tragedy.

This came as residents of the housing estate in Kuala Lumpur, hit by a landslide on Saturday which killed four people and buried 14 houses, said yesterday they were considering suing the government for compensation.

According to news portal Malaysiakini, Ms Ng Yee Ping's husband was desperately digging through the earth with his bare hands to save his wife, a 30-year-old accountant who delivered a son two months ago. He thought help had arrived when rescue personnel reached the scene. But all they reportedly did was throw him a spade.

Speaking at Ms Ng's funeral service on Monday, her mother-in-law, Madam Wong Sai Mooi, said she, her husband, her sons and grandson managed to escape. "But (I) did not know that my daughter-in-law was buried alive. Then I heard my eldest son (Ms Ng's husband) calling his wife, telling her to remain conscious," she was quoted by Malaysiakini as saying.

"Later, a few rescue personnel arrived at the scene but they just threw a spade at (my sons) and did nothing ... (They treated her) like some dead dog or cat," Madam Wong added, claiming that Ms Ng would still be alive if the rescuers had rendered assistance.

Madam Wong's husband, Mr Ng Yong Shun, also accused the rescuers of looting his house after he returned to the house on Sunday morning. "My wife and I examined our safety box and found it opened. Several branded watches and jewellery were missing," Mr Ng, 56, was quoted by Malaysiakini as saying.

Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescuers, citing their lack of training as a reason, according to Malaysiakini. He said the police will conduct a thorough probe into the matter.

Meanwhile, Bukit Antarabangsa residents said they have set up a legal team. Mr N Muniandy, chairman of the residents' association, was quoted by AFP as saying: "If we have concrete evidence, then we will go against the authorities concerned. It is not our fault at all. We are the victims."

In response, Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi said yesterday the government would consider paying compensation to the landslide victims. (TODAYonline)

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Police To Investigate Victim's Complain Against Rescue Team

Selangor Police Chief Datuk Khalid Abu Bakar said a complaint lodged by a Bukit Antarabangsa landslide victim against the search and rescue operations team would be investigated.

The husband of Eng Yee Peng who perished in the landslide at Taman Bukit Mewah, Bukit Antarabangsa here on Saturday (6 Dec), had alleged that the rescue team failed to respond positively when he sought their help to save his wife.

Khalid said police had contacted the husband of Eng to come to the Search and Rescue (SAR) centre to assist in the investigation.

"I was informed of the complaint and police had since contacted the husband yesterday but he had not responded yet, probably because he is still in mourning.

"However, I can assure that a very detailed investigation will be carried out to identify who the said individual was," he told reporters here Tuesday (9 Dec).

A local Chinese daily report claimed that the husband of Eng had sought help from the rescue team but was given a hoe and asked to dig and find his wife on his own.

He added that though no police report was made with regard to the incident, police would still carry out an investigation and urged victims to contact the SAR operations centre or the information centre for help and advise.

"These centre are set up to help victims and they should keep in touch with the centres for the latest information, directive or help. We are also ready to help those who want to return to their damaged houses in search of their valuables," he said.

"All facilities are in place at these centres and victims should come forward and use them. If there was a problem, they can make a report to us."

Meanwhile, search for the missing Sri Lankan maid believed to have been trapped under the rubble when 14 bungalows were fully or partially buried by a landslide that hit Bukit Antarabangsa early Saturday morning, continued Tuesday (9 Dec).

Khalid said the SAR Team, using highly sophisticated devices and equipment to detect trapped victims and sniffer-dogs from the Fire and Rescue Department unit have yet to come up with any positive indication.

"The SAR Team are working very hard and doing everything possible to focus on the house of the victim. They have already digged five-feet into the rubble. There could be a possibility that the victim may have been swept away to another location and we are studying all likely possibilities," he said.

The Sri Lankan maid, Lourdes Mary, in her 30s worked for the family of veterinarian Dr N. Yogeswari, who was killed in the tragedy.

He added that search and rescue operations carried out by the SAR Team was full-steam ahead Tuesday due to the good weather while the Malaysian Public Works Institute (IKRAM) provided the necessary assistance and advise. (Bernama)

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'She would be alive if they had helped'

In a frantic attempt to save his wife, a 31-year-old executive was forced to dig through the earth with his bare hands until his fingers bled.

He felt a sense of relief when rescue personnel arrived at the scene. But to his horror, they refused to help him, apart from throwing him a spade.

bukit antarabangsa landslide victim ng yee pengThe startling accusation was made by the family of Ng Yee Ping, a 30-year-old accountant who perished in the Bukit Antarabangsa landslide tragedy on Saturday.

Yee Ping (left), who delivered a son two months ago, is believed to have died of internal injuries due to broken ribs.

However, Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescue personnel, citing their lack of training as a reason.

Speaking to reporters at the funeral service for Yee Ping yesterday (Monday), her family vented their frustrations claiming that she could still be alive if rescue personnel had acted promptly.

Recounting the ordeal, yee Ping's mother-in-law Wong Sai Mooi said she and her husband had escaped through the second-floor window. She then called out for her two sons.

"I heard my sons reply, I also heard my grandson crying. I felt relieved but did not know that my daughter-in-law was buried alive.

bukit antarabangsa landslide victim wong sai mooi"Then I heard my eldest son (Yee Ping's husband) calling his wife, telling her to remain conscious," she was quoted as saying by China Press.

At this point, Wong (left) said she knew that her daughter-in-law was trapped, but fearing that there could be another landslide, she told her sons to leave the damaged bungalow.

However, yee Ping's husband refused to leave his wife behind, and after handing his newborn son to his brother, he started to dig with his bare hands. His brother later returned to help him.

'They treated her like a dead dog'

After some time, just as they managed to reach the victim's hand, several rescue personnel passed the area. The brothers asked them for help but were told to wait until more personnel arrived.

"Later, a few rescue personnel arrived at the scene but they just threw a spade at (my sons) and did nothing," she alleged, claiming that Yee Ping could still be alive if they had assisted.

"But they didn't (help). (They treated her) like some dead dog or cat. Would they have done the same if one of their family-members was involved?" she asked bitterly.

Wong's husband, Ng Yong Shun, 56, also accused the rescue personnel of looting his house and consuming his expensive wine.

bukit antarabangsa landslide victim china press reportHe claimed that when he returned to the house on Sunday morning, he was shocked to discover several men in uniform lying on his bed, smoking and drinking his wine.

"One of them had even asked me whether I still wanted these things, if not I should give it to them. Later, my wife and I examined our safety box and found it opened. Several branded watches and jewellery were missing," he said.  

According to Oriental Daily News, Ng said he lost 80 bottles of expensive wine worth RM160,000 and six watches worth RM180,000.

Police chief: 'I don't believe'


Commenting on the accusations yesterday, Khalid said he found it hard to believe that rescue personnel would have acted in such a cold-hearted manner.

landslide bukit antarabangsa car"I don't believe that they would sit there and drink alcohol and so on. If there is such a person, could he be seen as a human being?" asked the police chief.

Khalid said the police would meet with the family to gather more information and conduct a thorough probe into the matter.

On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations.

"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them.

"This is because their lives are in danger too. I think we should respect their decision. To dig and save someone, one has to be trained. For an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task," he said.

Is it a carnival?

landslide selangor cpo khalidKhalid also expressed disappointment with the media for publishing such accounts without verifying the matter with him.

"I hope that before you all write your news, you will consult me first, and make sure such things really happened. Is there anything wrong with that?

"Please, we are working hard here, and you are making it into a situation where people would have a negative impression of us," he told reporters.

Khalid also saw red when quizzed on the 'carnival-like atmosphere' with the abundance of food and other facilities for rescue personnel.

"What do you think? Does it really look like a carnival? If that is the case, you write (what you want), there's no need to ask for my opinion," he thundered.

"Is it a carnival or is the rescue team working hard? If you think it's the former, you just write, it seems you have enough intelligence to comment on it," he added. (Malaysiakini)


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written by Arubin, December 10, 2008 11:28:01
"This is because their lives are in danger too. I think we should respect their decision. To dig and save someone, one has to be trained. For an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task," he said.


If you don't have the courage to risk your life to save another, than why the **** did you sign up to be a rescue personal? That's your freaking JOB for crying out loud.

Many of the policemen and firefighters of NYC stayed on site during the Sept 11 attacks despite being told that the buildings were going to collapse. They wanted to help evacuate as many survivors as possible. Many of them died in the course of duty.

You're either lazy or you're a damned coward. Take your pick.
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written by joseph81, December 10, 2008 11:29:13
How come they don't need training to steal ?
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written by Concerned_Citizen, December 10, 2008 11:58:28
Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescuers, citing their lack of training as a reason, according to Malaysiakini. He said the police will conduct a thorough probe into the matter.


Sooner or later the incident is forgotten. You expect them to dig down and find out the truth. Until end of the world, you wouldn't know...

"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them.


So are you saying that the husband is trained. Anyone can lend a support and helping hand if he wants. BTW, no training is required for digging. If your people need training to do that, that would be extreme pathetic. If you are saying of swimming or diving, then I agree with you but simply digging, pls go home and dig your head out! WTF!!


Madam Wong's husband, Mr Ng Yong Shun, also accused the rescuers of looting his house after he returned to the house on Sunday morning. "My wife and I examined our safety box and found it opened. Several branded watches and jewellery were missing," Mr Ng, 56, was quoted by Malaysiakini as saying.


This is a standard practice. You won't get back what you have lost.

"I don't believe that they would sit there and drink alcohol and so on. If there is such a person, could he be seen as a human being?" asked the police chief.


You think they are human? I thought this is the standard things you all do everyday.
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written by RumahPanjai, December 10, 2008 12:01:25
These so called rescuers are there looking for opportunities to make a quick buck. They are not life savers but opportunists and looters. Why bother to turn up when they knew its not safe? Morons!
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written by ellyna, December 10, 2008 12:07:31
Khalid, Do you think these people have nothing better to do but create such stories about your team of so-called rescuers?? You are right about one thing Khalid. These so-called rescuers are not human beings. They are so driven by greed and they would not bat an eyelid to capitalise from another's misfortune. Imagine drinking wine (so called muslims) and stealing from the victims. May you all ROT in HELL.
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written by asiseesit, December 10, 2008 12:09:04
"for an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task,"????????

you mean the victims are more trained than the rescuers themselves that they gave them spades to the victims to dig for themselves?

if they are untrained, they are being even more at risk themselves but they can go into collapse buildings and start their looting.

"it seems you have enough intelligence to comment on it".

is he going to act on it if the intelligence proved accurate? sounded like he is being blatant disregardful of sentiments and concerns raised by the media and victims if it's not in his favour.

instead of putting in a proper action plan to clarifies the issues, he is more concern of what the media writes and the publicity he wants to get.
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written by mei1, December 10, 2008 12:11:45
It plainly shows that selfishness & avarice are deeply ingrained in their minds. smilies/angry.gif
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written by Richard Lo, December 10, 2008 12:14:28
"Khalid said the police would meet with the family to gather more information and conduct a thorough probe into the matter.

On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations.

"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them."
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Selangor Police Chief Khalid Abu Bakar is really talking crap. If the people who are part of the SAR team are not trained personnel to conduct certain rescue operations why are they there to begin with!!! How many parts are there in a rescue operation? Rescue is an all encompassing task; search and rescue.

Please use your brain, if you have any, before you open your mouth.
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written by mick_err_stan, December 10, 2008 12:15:38
Based on news reporting, I conclude that there is a lack of professionalism and co-ordination in the rescue effort. There is not central command post to co-ordinate the rescue, to supervise, to react purposefully to safe lives. The people in-charged either do not know what to do or waiting to be told what to do. This can only happen when positions of authority are held by people on not what they know, but who they know.

Khalid - "On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations."

Digging must be a very complex task......... *&%#@
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written by FFT, December 10, 2008 12:15:43
However, Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescue personnel, citing their lack of training as a reason.


You don't need training to offer help digging through rubble. And if you're in a rescue team, one would figure you'd be trained in the first place. Unless these "rescue squ***" all consisted of unemployable monkeys from local universities.

In any case, this is just the latest in a long series of events proving that the PDRM are the enemy of the people of Malaysia. They are a criminal syndicate who behave above the law. But you can't fault the PDRM totally, because they are nothing but a bunch of lowly-paid monkeys subsisting on peanuts who are following the example of their Tuans in UMNO...especially one Minister who is responsible for vaporizing his sexual scandals using C4.
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written by mick_err_stan, December 10, 2008 12:17:37
Typo : There is no..... ...to save lives
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written by boeytahan, December 10, 2008 12:17:41
Police chief Khalid,

Have you checked your facts before making statement? Can't you wait for the victim's (NG YEE PING's) family for explanation which a fair minded senior officer would normally do before your crude remarks.

This is abuse of power!
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written by Msian Idol3, December 10, 2008 12:28:37
There are lots of legalise thieves in PDRM. I remember a posting where a guy commented that his dad lost almost a lorry load of tiles in the police station - what was left was a few boxes as evidence. The case was like the coppers arrested some guys stealing tiles in a construction site & took the lorry to the PDRM station. Can you imagine the coppers stole the tiles!! Then there are so many cases of drugs missing & then coppers trafficking them. Guess what, only last week we have deputy home minister & IGP dressing crime statistics. Now we have this at Antarabangsa. Something is very, very wrong with our government.
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written by teo siew chin, December 10, 2008 12:34:04
Even a dog would have assisted in digging up the injured.
Those culprits who refused to help should be named, shamed and stripped off their rescue uniforms. As for those who steal from the dead, dying, injured, victims of trajedy - may lightning strike them down!
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written by hellosunshine, December 10, 2008 12:36:03
What a load of hogwash! If according to Khalid, the rescuers must be trained, then all the rakyat should not stop and help rescue accident victims on the highways, ro*** or anywhere. If according to him, the rakyat can, however, stop and gawk at the victims and see the victims' lives slowly ebb away right before their eyes.
Nobody in their right mind and with a compassionate heart would stand there and do nothing unless they are sub-humans with no conscience.
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written by kennyeu, December 10, 2008 13:33:09
First of all I want to stress that this is what the word is on the ground at Bukit Antarabangsa. Being a resident in the area the community itself will speak within themselves and though I do not know whether it is true this is what people have been saying. The death toll in this incident is a cover up. Witnesses have said that the number of bodies being recovered from the landslide wasn't 4 or 5 people... it is much higher.

Logically nothing makes sense here. The police and army personnel are still out in force and they make up a significant portion of the workforce assembled at the site. The place is as secure as the American Embassy. Why?

It is also illogical how the dead reported were one indian, one malay, one chinese, etc. It is too perfect. If you saw the photographs, some houses were completely obliterated. How is it possible that only one person died in a house that was destroyed within minutes in a freak accident that happened at 4am? One malay, one chinese, one indian just sounds like an UMNO formula to everything and though I do not know whether this speculation that a cover up is in motion is true, I also find it very hard to believe the statistics being released to the public.

It is very strange why the government would want to lie to the public but it happens so often it has become difficult to trust any main stream media. Also in the news report the details about the people who died, which sometimes is 4 and sometimes is 5, is very ambiguous. In later reports I think they've completely forgot about the baby which was one of the first casualties reported. I may be wrong.
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written by Bloodhound, December 10, 2008 13:55:18
"....In a frantic attempt to save his wife, a 31-year-old executive was forced to dig through the earth with his bare hands until his fingers bled.

He felt a sense of relief when rescue personnel arrived at the scene. But to his horror, they refused to help him, apart from throwing him a spade.

The startling accusation was made by the family of Ng Yee Ping, a 30-year-old accountant who perished in the Bukit Antarabangsa landslide tragedy on Saturday.

Yee Ping (left), who delivered a son two months ago, is believed to have died of internal injuries due to broken ribs.

However, Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescue personnel, citing their lack of training as a reason......."


Khalid Abu Bakar, you are either stupid or an idiot to say that such behaviour by the "rescuers" are due to lack of training!!!!

Under what circumstances can rescuers be trained to give assistance to those in need of such dire help?

Anyone (let alone official rescuers) when confronted with such circumtances would immediately give full assistance howsoever to help alleviate the circumstances that those unfortunate ones are facing! When a life is at stake, nobody who is human would stand idly by and not help. No amount of training can instil such qualities - so, please do not utter such idiotic remarks!
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written by wannabepatriotic, December 10, 2008 14:10:32
Only in Malaysia we have,

1. Power trippin police wannabe called RELA
2. So called rescue service personal that loots your valuables
3. Stupid police chief that summons lack of training personals in a crisis like this... God forbids a bigger catastrophe. Then what?
4. Moronic damage control statement from the government.



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written by Mee Udang, December 10, 2008 14:17:17
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written by Mee Udang, December 10, 2008 14:27:42
China Press reported that, police personel refused to let Mr.Ng (the victim of looting) to bring in reporters to his house for some evidence (drinking & smoking on his bed) photo snaping...

So obvious, they (police) are trying to cover up something!
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written by miwaki, December 10, 2008 15:04:55
Malaysia is the only country in this universe where their Rescue personnel are well trained in lootings but never ever trained in rescuing.These so call rescue personnel were sent to Bukit Antarabangsa after a landslide has occurred but these people were not sent there to help but to provide spades so that victims and their families have to help themselves while these so call Rescue personnel busy looking for valuables,such as branded wine,jewellery and cash.

If that is the way Malaysia do their business then Bung Moktar also can be the IGP or Prime Minister.What is the difference ?
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written by Sabahfan, December 10, 2008 15:12:03
Rescuers dont know how to rescue, dont know how to prevent loots, themselves looted....

HARAPKAN PAGAR..... pagar yang merogol.......

Dear RPK, this reminds me of the event of gold shop robbery in Sabah about 10 yers ago....

The robbers struck, shot a girl shop assistant in the stomach (lucky the hospital saved her) and manage to run away with the looot.

What happened was witnesses saw the cops catching up with one of the robbers holding a bundle.... he was lying on the ground, hands in the head in surrender...

the cops with M16 just shot him in cold blood in the head....

the bundle of jewellery was never found.... who took it, who divided it amongst themselves,, we all can guess .....

simply unbelievable there was no hearing or investigation afterwards, all covered up... it happened in the age where handphones with cameras were not in the market or even video cams were still tooo big and expensive, otherwise someone would have uploaded the video on youtube already...

This my dear rpk is the reallity of CORRUPTION in the Malazutland....!!!!
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written by anak penang, December 10, 2008 15:18:26
The police are corrupted to the core
Now , I don't think they are humans anymore
I hate them, that when I see one I look away
Looking at them will only spoil my day

Name me one, just one, who is not on the take
They have now started stealing even from the dead
Surely they can't be humans, only dogs or musang
Would any people with a conscience, do such a thing?
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written by karyeowl, December 10, 2008 15:40:01
Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescuers, citing their lack of training as a reason, according to Malaysiakini. He said the police will conduct a thorough probe into the matter.


One thing for sure, the Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar is a well-trained liar. You can read about his lies all over the internet.

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written by Ken Liew, December 10, 2008 16:12:03
please do post any other picture on to the NET~!! and show the world how lazy are our so called rescuer....

Life is PRICELESS~!! didnt they teach u at the rescue training?



BTW, just look at his fat face, is he like a person that trained to do rescue job??? i thought he was trained to SLEEP~!!!
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written by taishan, December 10, 2008 16:37:30
On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations

Forget about the Search and Rescue bit. It's a Steal and Raid (SAR) Team.
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written by Midvalley, December 10, 2008 16:38:40
The rescue personals from the marjority race and the victims from the minority race that why they don't bother if from the same majority race a teams of rescuers immediately will help out.
The causes unmoputra divide and rule policies.
Vote them out of this world.
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written by educationist, December 10, 2008 16:40:44
To read the first hand account of one's loved one been so inhumanely treated by those so called rescuers is a heart wrencher.
The Police Chief ought to be more diplomatic, I understand he's trying to stand by his men but will the bereaved family made baseless accusations like that if those rescuers had done all that was humanly possible.
Now, forever seared in their minds will be the question -Could she have survived?
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written by AngryTaxpayer, December 10, 2008 16:43:22
"Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescuers, citing their lack of training as a reason, according to Malaysiakini. He said the police will conduct a thorough probe into the matter."

What do you guys do in the training centres? "No To Looting" 101!!???
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written by gundohing, December 10, 2008 16:48:13
"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them.

You do not need any training to help remove bricks and debris. Any decent person (other than the trained SAR personnel) would risks their life just to rescue another life!
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written by burn22, December 10, 2008 17:14:42
what more can i say...
when we have half past six on top, what do we have below...
when get unqualified professional, we get half past six unqualified personnel...
most only nak pangkat, tapi pengalaman takdo langsung...
no need to say much... go and look at some gomen head personnel, they know nuts... if wanna compared to ordinary private clerks which can functions more than them...
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written by aryn, December 10, 2008 17:16:42
When one sees someone in distress and what more buried alive, human instinct tells us to act and help immediately regardless of what or who you are. Or what the situation is.

Apparently, the SAR personnels including Khalid are inhuman! They stood by and watched the victim die!
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written by ahmadneil, December 10, 2008 17:25:42
This jewellery are all bought from the rayak's money and therefore it has to be return to the rakyat.
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written by citizenmy, December 10, 2008 17:30:54
when the Head is made of piece if SHTI what can we expect of the body hand and legs. Damn..let those who cause the death of the Bukit Antarabangsa incident..ROT IN HELL!
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written by johntyc, December 10, 2008 17:36:27
Clearly, most of the rescuers do not believe in God or do not fear God.

Dear God, please don't pardon their sins just because they performed some rituals for weeks since it clearly does not mould them into better person.
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written by Motherchell, December 10, 2008 17:45:35
"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them."

Khalid ! you should strip off your uniform and go sit on your mama's lap!

Is this the way your masters procure Billion Ringgit budgets in the name of blues contingents for rescue , law and order, street crimes , prostitution , religious bigotry etc etc ?????
Who is making the money and where have they stacked it ??? Cant you idiot see what they are doing to you and your grandchildren???
Khalid!!Pl swipe your card and go home after 5 pm!!!

So whats the talk like, you idiot ! are you fit to be a human in the first place forget about a uniformed staff ! -------Ooh Yes !!! i forgot ----keep on supporting your masters Khalid ! tell all your relatives and all your fellow friends when you stop over for a cuppa--- they will teach you how to survive from womb to grave !!!!!!! A total shame to the Nation !!!

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written by malsia1206, December 10, 2008 18:07:13
You read these stories and you go and read all the heroic stories on the recent Sichuan earthquake in China. A big shame for Malaysia. I simply love Malaysia.
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written by csm_81, December 10, 2008 18:13:37
"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them.

"This is because their lives are in danger too. I think we should respect their decision. To dig and save someone, one has to be trained. For an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task," he said.

Tears of frustration were welling up in my eyes when I read that phrase. What the ****ing hell do he mean that the people can't expect an ambulance driver to help?? They are the very people who are expected to help save people in need. Can't expect??? CAN'T EXPECT???!! Need to be trained to dig??? God, even dogs and cats know how to dig without training.

The below link talks about a dog who dashed through a busy highway to save its dog friend who was hit by a truck. It used its teeth to try to drag its dying friend to safety even when there were oncoming cars speeding around them.

Dogs - animals who are supposedly inferior to humans, also know about love and devotion. That dog is NOT trained to rescue but it does it best to save its injured friend while our Bolehland's rescue team can't do anything to save ppl because they are not trained or cannot be blamed for fearing for their own lives.

You so called search and rescue team - YOU SCUMS DISGUSTS ME.

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written by carribeanking7, December 10, 2008 18:26:49
I have nothing much to add about the police but to say they deserve much of the vitriol heaped upon them.

I however am irked that many politicians are using this tragedy to enhance their political careers.

I was rolling my eyes when it was reported that the DPM in waiting donated RM30k and three UMNO divisions donated RM10k each, opening an assistance fund coordinated by RTM, I dont want to make light of the suffering of the victims but HULLO ? These people dont need financial assistance, each of the bungalows cost millions, they need rescue assistance properly rendered, medical attention and even counselling for shock, they dont need money, they need answers and a group of them have already engaged lawyers to sue the arses of those responsible to kingdom come.

For me the buck stops with Khir Toyo, despite much uproar from activist, and journalist like Nadeswaran and Terence Fernandez, hillslope development still continued under Khir Toyo's watch.

I salute the new state government for their stand especially Elizabeth Wong for not compromising on this issue despite powerful lobbies pressuring them.

and to the VIPs, stay out of disaster zones , you waste peoples time briefing you, while you suddenly pretend to be a soil expert.
Where were you when these people were protesting hillside developments ?

The real heroes are the untrained volunteers who went in to help without asking any recognition, because they were decent human beings.

Vijay Kumar Murugavell
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written by Kuku Burung, December 10, 2008 18:47:11
What went through these rescuers' minds when they saw the helpless guy trying to dig out his wife? They let her die, in front of their eyes. How do you describe these people -- murderers! Only murderers would act that way. What to say? Their master is a murder any way, the C4 type.
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written by magickriver, December 10, 2008 18:52:45
First, I wish to commend Vijay Kumar Murugavell on his lucid & hard-hitting comment.
He's of course correct when he says the former mentri besar of Selangor is ultimately accountable for severe environmental damage inflicted during his tenure. Two MBs before Khir Toyo there was the man with two Muhamm*** in his name - whose links to logging tycoons were much discussed around Selangor. Indeed, Muhammad2 Taib singlehandedly changed the rainfall patterns in the Klang Valley by allowing almost all the water catchment areas to be denuded.

As for the Orc-like attitude displayed by some members of the Search & Rescue Team... this is one of the sad by=products of a feudal system which artificially creates a huge divide between haves & have-nots, and between ethnic groups. That's why the word elite ought to be stricken from the dictionary - along with meaningless, archaic words like bastard, cuckold & spinster.
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written by aeromaverick, December 10, 2008 19:05:18
I am not sure. But is there any possible elements of bigot feelings involved in the manner these so called SAR Team allegedly behaved young accountant's case in the recent tragedy? I mean I can understand looting and grave digging mentality, but asking for help and not rendering it. That is not cold anymore. This is criminal. The word chauvinism comes to mind.
Where are we heading with all this??
Least to say, I am shocked with all this beyond words. Let the world see and hear that is happening to "Malaysia, truly Asia".
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written by ericc, December 10, 2008 19:21:43
this is the result of materialism and money-worship.

and don't forget the pirate blood is strong in their descendants.

it's not hard to believe this sorta crap will happen, when all our public servants move into action when money changes hands.

disgusting.
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written by southallman, December 10, 2008 19:23:28
If I was a VICTIM here, I will INITIATE a prayer in every MOSQUE, TEMPLE, CHURCH and any PLACE of WORSHIP. My prayer will be if there is a GOD , these BASTARDS be PUNISHED by GOD and they too suffer. My other prayer will be that this ARSEHOLE KHALID and his family suffer a NATURAL CALAMITY and he too experience the pain others have/are suffering. If this BASTARD dies PEACEFULLY I will never ever again PRAY again and make my future generations do same .
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written by Fuminari, December 10, 2008 19:28:47
""Selangor Police Chief Datuk Khalid Abu Bakar said a complaint lodged by a Bukit Antarabangsa landslide victim against the search and rescue operations team would be investigated.""
do u bellieve that the real truth but the truth would be revealed n justice would be done accordingly??jus wait n see who would be getting wedge!!most probably the 'answer' is already out even before his so called investigation is underway!!the person that lodged the complain could be 'back-fired' teruk teruk n kow kow!
sebagai ketam mengajar anaknya berjalanlah!!!!!!
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written by thor, December 10, 2008 19:30:01
Just look at that joker's face, does he inspire confidence especially when he can justified in not extending help with the following lame excuse.

"This is because their lives are in danger too. I think we should respect their decision. To dig and save someone, one has to be trained. For an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task," he said."

Pray tell why r the rescuers there if not to rescue people? Is this why u move the polis pondok from a dangerous area as police are untrained to fight germs manifesting in that area. Come lah, listen to yrself once a while and u decide whether u sound "intelligent" or not? Singing "Negara ku" also cannot. U and yr ugly botak boss will be nominated for the most "likeable guy" award.

GOD SAVE OUR PEOPLE FROM THE WOLVES


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written by Loh, December 10, 2008 19:37:28
///"You don't expect an ambulance driver to save a buried victim. He is not trained, so if we request untrained personnel for help and they refuse, we shouldn't blame them.

"This is because their lives are in danger too. I think we should respect their decision. To dig and save someone, one has to be trained. For an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task," he said.///

If the person is not suitable for the job, why should he be at the scene to crowd out the place? The driver, if that was the person referred to was not trained why did he hold the spade? If he did, can he not help to do something which the husband of the deceased was not trained for the job? The thought that ran through the head of the driver must be this was not his problem, whether the person could be saved or not. Apart from the reluctance to help out of laziness would there be a sinister reason?
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written by Fuminari, December 10, 2008 19:37:34
""Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescuers, citing their lack of training as a reason""
then,why not khalid n ur same tribe like toyol,musa,shithamid,garni n the other goons get urselves buried so that ur rescuers could get sufficient training???
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written by Kotadamansara73, December 10, 2008 19:39:33
These are all Najib's men. What do you expect? They are lazy, corrupted, stupid and greedy. Malaysia rescue team, police, fire bridgade is all the same. They are all the same.
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written by KTRaj, December 10, 2008 19:54:15
Ketua Polis Malaysia dah JAHANAM AHKLAK , OTAK BODOH, RASUAH ....APATAH LAGI anak anak buahnya.
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written by Path Fighter To truth, December 10, 2008 20:29:37
TELL OUR RESQUERS TO LEARN WHAT THE PEOPLE DID IN THE SICHUAN EARTH QUARK, ALL OF THEM THE MINISTER, ENFORCEMENT THE CITIZEN AND A LOT OF OTHERS DID TO HELP THE VICTIMS EVEN THE PREMIER NEVER STOP HIS WORK . AND CHECK YOUTUBE AND SEE HOW TIRED HIS EYES WERE .
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written by Debbie, December 10, 2008 20:42:24
this is one real life story which i will never forget. My grandmother had to to pass away due to the negligence of the 999 emergency service. I called them on the day she had fallen and guess what they told me..............ini nombor KL headquarters.......you panggil dari mana?.oh kelang ..tolong talipon hospital kelang......I said can you transfer the call from there since it is 999...........Ini hari ahad tak tahulah .......tlipon klang hospital.....ada abulan sana. that conversation cost my grandmothers life...n to top it off, the balai had the audacity to ask if my grandmother was rich??? She was 89 yrs old and was suffering from a brain cyst with a built in shant at the age of 80....and the drs had only given her a few months to live .but she lived to a ripe old age of almost 90.

I hope she will come back and make these peoples lives a living hell.......the police , the rescue team and all that had made no contribution to trying to saving lives.


My condolences to the family and always remember this....The maker doesnt give us more than we can handle.

Been there and done it.

Trust and have faith.

Shalom and seasons greetings

Debbie
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written by arazak, December 10, 2008 20:47:52
Recently,a retired top brass police personel wrote the police force as "The Fance that ate the Rice" (harapkan pagar, pagar makan padiRecently, a retired top brass police personel wrote the police force as "The fence that ate the rice" (harapkan pagar, pagar makan padi). The fence (police) are supposed to protect the rice (the people), instead they betrayed their responsibility by “whacking” the people.

The only good thing about our police is chasing blown-up tenders for purchases of sub-standards equipment. You know what. . ., they even short-changed their own-self when they bought the bullet proof vest, hence risking even their very own personnel!

Now, if they can put their own personnel lives at risk. . ., what about us, the ordinary rakyaat? For these people, the rakyaats’ lives meant nothing to them. What matters are money. . ., yes money, and more money!
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written by mob1900, December 10, 2008 20:48:58
Remember and imprint this b*stard's face so the next time he's on the street bleeding, pleading for help, just tell him "Lack of Training" and walk off. He's the first to defend his dog-brethen and last to do his job, all these are the hallmarks of BARISAN NAJIS Politicians holding offices or jobs they have no inclination about.
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written by Path Fighter To truth, December 10, 2008 20:52:56
Sick and sick again to have such stupid leaders in my country.

How could they speaks of monentary help . Do they kown how rich thses people are?

30 grand is like a sand in the ocean. They want help and condolence. not money.

Think when you speak next times.

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written by Xerxes, December 10, 2008 20:53:40
"..On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations.."

So Datuk Khalid, if the person is designated a rescue personel how can he be untrained? And if I am generous enough to concede that you do have and use "untrained" personnels for rescue, are you saying that the untrained rescue personnel responded faster than your trained ones?

And if they are untrained, what the fxxk were they doing there if it is as dangerous as you put it? To loot? May be there is some truth in all those complaints after all.
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written by Loh, December 10, 2008 21:08:53
///This is because their lives are in danger too. I think we should respect their decision. To dig and save someone, one has to be trained. For an untrained person, it's a very dangerous task," he said///-- Khalid, police chief

When policemen have to apprehend perpetrators of crimes, their lives too will be in danger. Is that a reason why they do not have to perform their duties, and that the crime rates in the country rises?

Following Khalid logic, fire department will have no role because fireman will risk their lives doing their jobs. Why then are they employed in the fire department? Are they only expected to work when their lives are not at risk, and leisurely too?

People are expected to do their best to save others, trained are not. If the person accused for not willing to do anything to help was not there and blocked someone else to be where he was the outcome could be different. Life is full of danger, even in crossing the street. Khalid was not on the scene to know whether precaution could be taken to avoid mishap even in carrying out dangerous task. Yet he found it his obligation to defend the staff. Is that a demonstration of unity whereby the staff members are protected so long as they are obedient to his command? That would imply that people employed in the police force answered only to the boss, rather than to be accountable for the tasks and positions that they are assigned. There would be no need for any enquiry as to what happened ii the chief of police is satisfied and come out in the open to defend actions of the staff which are indefensible. It also means that the job of the department accounts to nobody.

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written by cheemengwong, December 10, 2008 21:09:22
The special forces spends a lot of money to buy vehicles, equipments, training to do what?

To rob the death, steals from the injured and amused themselves with their spoils from the damaged house?

This is what ketuanan has bred! Lazy Indolent Bastards.

The day will come they will rob their mothers.

Pack Lah
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written by cheemengwong, December 10, 2008 21:11:18
Untrained personnels my foot! Are they being paid salaries for being untrain?

Phark Lah.
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written by cheemengwong, December 10, 2008 21:21:16
Untrained also get salary
Untrained also called rescue team
Untrained also can go to disaster area to rob.
Untrained also get government grants, budgets to buy equipments etc
Untrained also can tell the whole world
Where are the trained people?
You mean we don't have any trained people around?
All the trained people on hari raya haji leaves?
After 50 years of independance we don't have any trained people?
Why don't get some help from our neighbours Singapore?
We have no shame to spend so many millions of Raayat's money and they rescue people are not trained?

Park Lah
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written by lovemalaysiarakyat, December 10, 2008 21:34:59
It's high time the police get trained. They obviously missed "akhlak" classes; where they are taught what is good character and bad.

I have had my share of 100% not so good brushes with them - from traffic police who obviously asked for duit kopi, to making reports from constables to inspectors who were downright rude and made stupid remarks, and corrupted inspectors who asked for RM5K to 10K for release of detained persons. There is no respect for persons and no once of humanity. One sargeant told me that it would be a better and more interesting report to make if I had killed the guy instead rather than missed that someone who swerved into my path. I was fined for avoiding that idiotic man on the motorbike who got away and caused me to hit the divider. I almost mowed down three cars and tried to avoid them all.

We should write a book on idiotic comments that Malaysian police make...it might make it to the top 10, same as our MPs in Parliament. Yes, one does hear of Bukit Aman officers bringing home stuff they confisticated...well ACA won't go after them...no words to describe our police force. smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by lovemalaysiarakyat, December 10, 2008 21:35:55
...no ounce of humanity...
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written by lynn, December 10, 2008 21:55:34
You read all the comments and it dawned on you, how fcuk-up this country is.

I once called 999 for an ambulance when the victim was hit-and-run over by a taxi; the emergency no. took a long time to be picked up; finally after a few attempts, this Malay operator asked me, "is the victim Melayu atau India?" I told him the vic was an Indian and he said "let the fler die". I called another no. and another and finally got to Uni Hosp. whereby I begged the guy an Indian, pls help your country man. Send an ambulance immediately as the vic was bleeding from the ears, eyes and nose!

I hope for a new federal govt.for Malaysia & only then we can implement changes for the benefit of all without any discrimination - we need to re-train all these people who are in the front line - the existing personnel are obviously unfit for their posts. They are there to serve the public, not to judge and decide who they are allowed to discriminate against. I would help the vic even if he was a Malay. It's not his race I noticed, but his hour of need. People are crowding around, watching the vic groaning in pain but no one has the cow sense to dial for assistance.

And now you have these so-called rescue personnel discriminating against the Chinese in the above Bt Antarabangsa incident. It's too obvious, this discrimination.

At the end of the day, I realised, you don't need to have a religion to possess ethics and good virtues. These are men of a certain religion & their discrimination in an emergency borders on criminal!
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written by lynn, December 10, 2008 22:05:32
I hope the victims of Bt Antarabangsa read this page; it was commented by our present Selangor MB Tan Sri Khalid the Indonesian former MB khir tempe toyol approved 99 hillside projects during his term (a very big thank you to you Dr Mahathir for picking this man).

Victims of this tragedy, dead or alive, shld file a class action suit of criminal negligence against khir tempe toyol for giving his approval to all these projects inspite of the fact common sense shld dictate after Highland Towers tragedy. They shld sue him until he loses his pants!
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written by patriotic1994, December 10, 2008 22:26:58
Few years ago I had my car flipped, making 360 degree spin. I was safe. Many kampung folks came out to help. Well, they helped to flip my wife's handbag that was dropped on floor. She lost her purse, IC and all valuables.

Two years ago my younger sister dead in a bus accident. My elder sister was in the bus too but she was fine. She called for help, but the rescuers came out from ambulance with uniform asked her to stay aside and not helping the motionless sister on the floor. My younger sister also lost her camera that was in her handbag. The only thing she got back is her broken handphone, given back by none other than the police officer who in charge of writing the incident reports.

So my friends... next time if you are in an accident, pay attention to those that came to help you. Trust no one but yourself and your loved one. I know it is hard. But you really have no choice to trust nobody!
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written by rocky, December 10, 2008 22:36:23
this is just pure arrogance and stupidity. how can one not help regardless of one is trained or not. can you imagine people standing by an accident and saying we can't help cos we are not trained. very unMalaysian. But the guys have no fear cos hey are not accountable to the rakyat.the political masters are also in bed with them, you scratch my back an I scratch yours. and really every reports needs to go by him,why? paint a rosy picture...yeah no theft cos no one was trained to steal ma.

and the guy actually smiles during the tv interview, have some compassionate la

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written by raven1958, December 10, 2008 22:45:50
Toyo...should be charged for mass murder...this Indon and his wife have looted this country so much....and Malaysians still look on and even die....anywhere else they would both have been lynched.......what's happening to this country....
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written by chiongguo, December 10, 2008 22:46:33
Once a contractor, a strong UMNO member, told me that if I think that the police is corrupt I don't know what is corrupt until I deal with the "bomba" people. I have no dealing with any "bomba" people and this is purely hear-say but from what happened over the years such a statement do have credibility.

It is really sad to learn that the people that we depended on during our most trying time is the very people who would take advantage of our predicament. I am sure there are some decent folks in "bomba" but as always all it takes is a few black sheep.

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written by Jit Dharma, December 10, 2008 22:49:35
Racism seems to be the real reason. Why help? He isn't one of us.But how
does that explain the bus accident, surely they were Muslims. Why loot
them? What it does reveal is the depth of the cold and calculating
disease that has eaten into the vitals of this nation. After all if the
leaders behave like heartless and greedy animals what example do they
set for the citizen. All's fair in love, war and disaster.And politics.
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written by justice6, December 10, 2008 23:00:12
Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar came to the defence of the rescuers, citing their lack of training as a reason, according to Malaysiakini. He said the police will conduct a thorough probe into the matter.

DIG also need training??? just wish that one day, all our ministers, and especially the police chief, will be in tons of dirt... and I will be the first person to throw a spade and watch them dig... hey, I am just a civilian...not TRAIN to dig... so stop complaining...
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written by justice6, December 10, 2008 23:08:05
and we the tax payer are paying those morons salary.. geeesh. .... shouldn't we ALL stop paying taxes.. I would rather rare a few dogs like St Bernard,.. at least they know how to DIG...
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written by FFT, December 10, 2008 23:29:18
Look folks, the callous attitude by the rescue team, the looting, the landslide due to sloppy construction and corruption in local councils, the police force in general, are ALL a culmination of 22-years under Mahathir and 20 years under UMNO Baru.

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written by ChrisNg, December 10, 2008 23:41:34
As far as i know when the Twin towers in States were about to collapse, they have rescuers and firemen walking-in to save the people.So many firemen and rescuers died that day..HERE! ONLY IN MALAYSIA, we have RESCUERS throwing the spade and ask them to dig themselves..and we have the CHIEF POLICE telling us that they're not trained?.WHAT DA F**CK were they doing at the scene then?Seizing the opportunity to steal?..MALAYSIA OH MALAYSIA!!!!...WHAT IS HAPPENING?
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written by ASK4u, December 11, 2008 00:11:10
My heart bleeds when I heard of the tragedy that befell the Bkt Antarabangsa folks. Mr Ng's plight is another classic example of the proverb: "sudah jatuh, ditimpa tangga". Was there any Signboard saying that looters would be shot dead? Special task force comprising of Snipers and sharp shooters should have been stationed in strategic location to eliminate these pests.But this was not done, why? Probably, they knew that their numbers would be sharply reduced if this was done and due to the fear that they will become an endangered species.
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written by Davy McChester, December 11, 2008 00:16:34
Some jobs such as those considered "essential services"-nurses,doctors,rescuer workers/team,water and power services,should not be subjected to any quota system.The criteria for employment should be based on "willingness to surrender ones personal safety and comfort". In this particular case,the answer or excuse given by the above executive is apparent that he lacks common sense and intelligence,let alone leadership quality.He should be kicked in the butt! What shameful creature ! A poor example for any kind of leadership role. Wonder whether it is a reflection of the country's leadership problems. A square peg in a round hole,like everything else in the country
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written by Davy McChester, December 11, 2008 00:26:19
Years of indocrination by power demon UMNOputras to divide and control as opposed to nation buliding. The climax is reflected in the quality of the rescue workers, and Mr.Khalid who is quick to shun responsibility.
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written by ravi9467, December 11, 2008 00:31:12
Its shocking to hear such thing. I have been leaving in India for over 2 years and this is what you can expect over here. Without a bribe, you even have problem extending your work visa, let alone if such thing happens here in India, where has the human compansion gone in Malaysia.
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written by panca, December 11, 2008 00:45:00
Call me biased or anything you like.....

These rescuers (so-called not trained) but 'rescuers' are thieves. These same lazy bums have already made up in their minds clearly about what they can get their hands on before they even set foot there, zero moral (now I fully agree where they are not properly trained). Robbing those already dead and in misery is really "sesat".

For Selangor Police Chief Datuk Khalid Abu Bakar, please do not try to cover what needs to be investigated and stop wearing those police field rescue fatigue, it looked more of a fashion statement you were making. Why didn't you as a police officer pre-empt such questionable situation of immoral behaviour of events could possibly happen? Should you not be on site as quickly as any other parties or more importantly, first to be on site to ensure rescue team can carry our their duties rapidly?

Like I say, and what had been said here....was it a carnival for food, looting, third degree murder to take place. Please feel ashamed for what is lacking in yourself and the standard of the supposed "recuers". No we are not pointing fingers at you all, we are pin-pointing the irrsponsibled and letting all know what makes great leadership in any government agencies entrusted to do their duties. Yes, "forget about title, it is character that one should make one be"

Pissed! All misery and lives lost. Anyone's life is as valuable as yours and your family's! Where are those rescuers' fcuking conscience? Kemaluan Besar!
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written by Siapabohong, December 11, 2008 02:17:45
Inilah yang dikatakan haiwan yang bermasyarakat, gunakan gambar semut sebagai logo hidup bermasyarakat, tapi perangai tak seperti semut tapi hantu jembalan. Sudah hilang percaya kepada kejujuran haiwan bernama manusia, janganlah berlaku malapetaka raksaksa macam di China tahun ini, kalau jadi tak taulah macam mana keadaannya....
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written by agadam magadam, December 11, 2008 02:49:02
I just don't understand why so many of you have commented on the Police..Like as if the have been doing the right things all along...
We, the layman and at least 80% of the population knows that the Malaysian Police are corrupted to the core.. And all other Govt Depts as well.. We all know it...Remember the Johore floods a few years ago..?? The Chinese had to organise their own SAR.. The Govt scums were looking out to save their fellow brothers-their own kind...and charge a fee for the 'others'..
What does this all tell us...??? We have to start organising 'our' own teams, in times of natural disasters.. We, the non-Malays HAVE to begin somewhere.. They use our money to pay these morons, but they're not helping us at all..
We have the Internet and communications has been made easy.. So, let's think about it seriously and get it going........Start forming teams amongst ourselves..
Until the Barisan is overthrown, we'll have to fend for ourselves...
Can we, for starters, register ourselves with ... 'ourselves' and do something now..???
The threat is real - they have become so fanatical that a non Malay life has become worthless..
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written by agadam magadam, December 11, 2008 03:09:40
The Keyword today in Malaysia is 'Bribes' , Rasuah... No money ..no talk..
One incident I recall.....

..Many years ago, when the Seremban-PD Highway was newly opened, I came across an accident, where a motorist knocked down a young married couple on a motorbike, maybe in their late 20's. Both were Chinese.. Many calls to the Polis and Hospital, later, the Ambulance arrived... The woman had died and I covered her with papers from my car.. It was pitch dark, no street lights.. The young man had a thick gold chain round his neck and was unconscious.. I supervised the removal of the injured man to the ambulance. His toes flicked when I touched, meaning he was still alive... The ambulance attendant and driver were relaxed, in no hurry and passing comments, the driver then tried to remove the gold chain.. I told him off and took a picture of the injured man with the gold chain and hurried the ambulance to send him to Hosp..

What I witnessed that day,told me many things.. Malaysia has come to a stage, where we have been divided,, Malays and the non Malays.. and corruption and thievery amongst most Govt servants at it's highest level... all under the Barisan rule..

.. Today, when I see a polis patrol car with sirens on, I just nod my head in disgust when they pass me... My respect for them and all the other Govt officers and servants has been totally lost... They are a disgrace to mankind...

MAY BARISAN ROT AND BURN IN HELL, AFTER THE MAGGOTS CRAWL OUT FROM THEIR MOUTHS AND EYES... I have so much hatred for them..UNRELIABLE, HIGHLY CORRUPTED and most of all; BRAINLESS ....
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written by kamwy, December 11, 2008 03:20:16
Malaysians are slowly devoiding of its basic morality. What's wrong with us???
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written by shepherdvoyage, December 11, 2008 06:08:34
This is our police – hopelessly corrupt, inefficient, lack of training…..That’s the reason why most Malaysians will try to stay away from police as far as possible.

Here are two KISAH BENAR:

Case 1:
My brother lost his passport when he was travelling in Prague. When he came back and lodge a report at the Sentul police station so as to get a new passport, the police officer attended to my brother asked him to follow him into a room for “a discussion”. My brother was asked to pay RM300 or he would not get a new passport. [Please do not ask me what happened next.]

Case 2:
I was once a victim of a hit and run case. I went to the THL police station to lodge a report. I waited for 2 hours before I could see a police officer, reason being that all of them were out for a briefing. A guy was pestering me to send my damaged car to his workshop. When I finally managed to see a police officer, he spent less than 10 minutes to take my statement. (That guy was with me all the time, trying very hard to get business from me.) Later, I was told to drive my car to a yard to be photographed of the damaged part. I saw for myself that guy putting a RM10 note into the hand of the police officer at the yard. He was wearing a pair of sunglasses. He did not reject the money at all, instead took it for granted and happily accepted it. When that guy did not get my business, he kept calling me up asking me to pay him RM30 for the RM10 he paid to that police officer in the yard and also the cost of calls he made to the police officer who took my statement. [Please do not ask me what happened next.]

I believe such cases are just the tip of the iceberg.
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written by Spear Bing, December 11, 2008 06:46:42
shepherdvoyage said " I believe such cases are just the tip of the iceberg"

You are damn right. It's common occurance. That's why the credibility and integrity of PDRM have been flushed into the toilet.

It's really a sad episode. It's a disgrace.
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written by cahaya, December 11, 2008 07:52:43
Dear Pete

The title for your article is misleading. It implies that Malaysians share a common psyche which is bent on corrupt and selfish behaviour. But not all Malaysians behave like the bad examples in the above articles. Perhaps you would call me conservative and old-fashion. But I believe the majority of Malaysians generally do what is right because they are God-fearing citizens.

Most Malaysians come from families where our parents and elders have taught us from young to value human life, to be honest and fair to other people (even to strangers), to show compassion to the weak (whether the poor, disabled, etc), and to help our neighbours during times of crisis (even if they are not our own race).

The problem (what you describe as “Malaysian psyche”) is actually with a minority, the bad examples who are “kurang ajar” (not properly taught). They have forgotten what they learnt as children. Why are they like that? Because of their regular exposure to the corrupt, selfish and race-based practices of their superiors. Everyone around them behaves badly, so it is “normal” to follow the bad habits of their bosses. This is a top-down problem with its roots in the corrupt, selfish and race-based politics of one political party.

What Malaysia really needs (to get rid of bad “Malaysian psyche”) is good leadership by example. Good leaders who can positively influence everyone below them. Good governance will then trickle down throughout the civil service. When good leaders exercise good governance, then bad practices and habits will be gradually reduced to a minimum. We observe this in a few countries that value good governance.

In other words, Malaysia needs to elect a new team of leaders who are not corrupt, selfish or race-based. Malaysia needs Malaysian leaders who are CAT (competent, accountable and transparent), selected by their qualifications and merit. Leaders who willingly sacrifice time and effort to build a better nation. And when good leaders recruit and appoint new civil servants, they should select more CAT. Note the term “civil servants” is used to describe those who work in the civil service. People who are meant to serve the public, not themselves!

Cahaya
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written by hellosunshine, December 11, 2008 09:07:55
After reading all the sad and bad experiences of the people, there is only one conclusion no matter how you look at it. We have a very serious racial and religious segregation and discrimination problem between the various races after 51 years.
If these issues are not addressed and rectified asap, things will boil over one day and nobody will be the winner. Wake up Malaysians!!!
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written by Path Fighter To truth, December 11, 2008 09:09:05
SHEPHERDVOYAGE..... All those corruption when mentioned occured everyday 24 hours a day.
If the High Authorities dont believe make a public survey from the rakyat and you will know how serious the problems is. ASK HOW MUCH HAVE THE CHINESE WOMEN , AND OTHER FORIENERS HAVE BEEN ROBBED BY THEM. MALAYSIA BOLIH REALLY BOLIH ......
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written by Dora, December 11, 2008 09:59:55
When i heard Khalid on TV talking about 'untrained people can't do certain rescue work' I thought 'what crap is he talking about'. If I had been on the scene, I would have gone to help the poor man dig out his wife, spade or no spade, with my bare hands. A humane person would have done everything possible to save another life!! You wouldn't stand there and think "oh that's not my job, I am not trained to dig, I am only the ambulance driver"!!!

Come on Khalid, you should throw in your resignation and stop talking rot!!!
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written by jjireh99, December 11, 2008 10:16:08
do you for one second think that those BN GOONS care what you all say? Especially our pm/dpm? Despicable to the highest degree!!!!! Look at how arrogant our pm was when he just brushed aside our disagreements on the JAC matter. Think folks, think, think and think. WE HAVE TO VOTE BN OUT ASAP!!!!!! NO MORE TALKING AND COMMENTING. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. NO ANALYSING AND DISSECTING. IT'S TIME WE PUT ALL OF THEM INCLUDING THEIR FAMILIES OUT INTO THE STREETS TO BEG FOR MERCY!!!!!!
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written by redzuank, December 11, 2008 11:05:51
Dear RPK,
why dont U post something about their request for compensation?
Whose to blame for this enviromental disaster?
Are they not learn something from 1993 Highlands Tower?

Just go back to basic.
When there is a demand, There is a supply.

Old words:

"Kalau takut dilambung ombak,
Jangan berumah di tepi pantai"

Need to change to:

"Kalau takut ditimpa tanah,
Jangan berumah di tepi bukit"



Pretty simple basic.
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written by Malay Ultraman, December 11, 2008 12:05:06
Sungguh memalukan. Sikap polis dan relewan sangat sangat memalukan.

Tugas2 relewan adalah sesuatu yg MULIA.. I , couple of times , wished to join in Rela group or any rescue team.

But, when the ugly things surface up, it dashed all my mission to join in the voluntary group. Being a volunteer is a noble job. I would equate those volunteers and relawan are nurses at hospital. The nurses get paid, but their contribution to the patience is non-measurable.


But, when "the corrupted, immoral, Godless animals" under Malay/Muslim/NGo Tag and join the team, it defeats the whole purpose. It is a big disgrace to our nations, a huge embarresment to Malays and Islam at large.

Orang2 macam ni, memang patut di potong tangan!!!

Like what the chief say.. orang2 mereka perlu di ajar.

Well, memang komfom diaorang "kurang ajar"/


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written by Midvalley, December 11, 2008 12:16:43
I have witness 1) A policeman ( without a stripe)stop his bike infront of a restaurant hook his hone and the owner gave him 2 packets of cigarettes 2) Policmen drive their cars into a cars wash get free car wash while waiting the owner gave them cigarette to smoke ( in uniform ).
3) A van with 8 bandarya personals get down the van to inspects some shops owners of shops just gave them money for their "inspection" I can go on and on.
All Govertnement depts. are corrupted. leadership by examples BN
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written by Apache3, December 11, 2008 13:02:01
Khalid said:-
"On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations."

Then why were these untrained people there?

Then why do we send these untrained people for rescue operations overseas?

All B***Shit
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written by dumbfounded, December 11, 2008 14:32:09
UNTRAINED?! Hello? Why send untrained a untrained rescue team to a landslide rescue operation? Khalid, did you think this landslide was a drill or some training ground? Well, your team seems to be trained to crack open safe boxes. Bumbling fool
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written by Sean E, December 11, 2008 14:59:21
Typical Malaysian attitude.

Just like people crowd round an road accident scene. More to than to help.

We have quantity, not quality.

A lot of so-called rescue personnels are there to look & see and to loot if opportunity arises. Helping people is least on their mind. All sort of uniform personnel will be there, including the infamous Rela. They are probably not trained on first aid also.

Of course we do have the selfless, unsung hero, or accidental hero, but this are more of a minority.
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written by Thiru, December 11, 2008 14:59:43
Same lying, irresponsibleness by the authority.
But I am wondering there must be the others ( Datuks )houses damaged and no news about that.I guess they are secretly compensated by the government.So there is no comment yeah.
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written by Sabahfan, December 11, 2008 15:23:19
Talk about Fat face and fat ass cops... yes...

They do become fat just say 2 months on the job.

I once knew an ASP whom i saw leading a raid on karaoke joints etc...

used to be fit and commando like build.

after 4 months i saw the same ASP appearing in court... the stomach sooo fat must be from nights and nights of free food and drinks from the operators of these nightspot, in order to close half the eye...

anyway, talking about rescuing victims, why in other countries even ordinary peoplw without training will swamp tragedy sites moving stones and bricks and earth without giving up in search of victims...

why these lazy rescue teams?? useless bastad... just sucking my tax money
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written by Taiping60, December 11, 2008 21:18:14
This is a disgrace and the lowest form of corruption.
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written by ManOnTheStreet, December 12, 2008 03:03:45
"I don't believe that they would sit there and drink alcohol and so on. If there is such a person, could he be seen as a human being?" asked the police chief."
Exactly the point that the public is trying to make - the "rescue personnel" are inhuman.

"On the same note, he explained that some rescue personnel who are untrained are not allowed to conduct certain rescue operations."
Then they shouldn't be called "rescue personnel", but what they really are - interns / bystanders / UITM graduates / looters. It is also apparent that Khalid should also not be allowed to address the media, as he is untrained to do so, either from lack of training, or lack of intelligence. He should just join the carnival and be the good clown that he is.
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written by James Loh, December 12, 2008 05:29:42
I remember in the 80s my aunt shop were almost burned down. The fire were one or two shop away. The firemen didn't actly quickly once they arrived at the shop. They took their own sweet time. After my uncle bribe them, they started hooking up the hose and trying to control the fire. Fortunately, my uncle reacted quickly by giving them money. Hmmm...... you can choose not to believe me but I'm certain there is a lot of similar stories. This is all because BN foster the culture of bribery. Also, I'm not going to deny that we too play a role in encouraging corruption. Thus, we must have a very strict law that'll stop this rampant practice. We need to follow Hong Kong to setup ICAC.
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written by James Loh, December 12, 2008 05:38:27
Lack of Training!!

This is so typical of Malaysian civil servant excuse. Can we trust the government on doing even simple public services? What about crime rates? How can you trust the government to protect your wife and kids from landslide or rapist/burglar? You better take care of your own family.
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written by James Loh, December 12, 2008 05:41:03
We should learn some basic tactic for emergency response. In Singapore, the citizens have yearly training. Maybe we should start learning them ourselves. We should start a NGO emergency response team rather rely on MCA or the damn government. It's time we for us to do it ourselves. Are you going to rely your family on their hands?
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written by James Loh, December 12, 2008 05:47:37
If they are not trained then why are they the first people to response? That's a little odd? Can anybody explain? If the building is not save then shouldn't the response team use force to remove the husband from the structure?

Common response: Aiya .... this is Malaysia style lar.
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written by talk2stop, December 12, 2008 06:57:46
Such is life in Malaysia. It is nothing to do with religion. The basic humanity is out of the window. Payment for services is above life that's a 3rd world standard. Don't you think?
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written by Old Man, December 12, 2008 07:26:04
What we are withnessing in our country right now is legalized looters and robbers! Won't even leave the dead to rest in peace. The law of our country may not get them BUT karma will follow them! When these criminals start seeing strange and negative happenings coming into their lives, then will they understand. It got nothing to do with religion but just one's upbringing and character! Something must be very wrong with the current system of education! Disgusting!!! smilies/angry.gif smilies/sad.gif smilies/shocked.gif
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written by guns head, December 12, 2008 10:44:25
to southallman

ur article i ***** on DISAGREE
cause
God in all religion says " U MUST LOVE YOUR ENEMY"

It's hard to follow, no logic, no commmon sense and irritating.
but what to do
God said " u must love ur enemies"

only god knows how to handle with bad hearted people

our duty is to bring this guys to court and get justice , that's all
we are not allowed to pray something bad happen to them as this will be unanswered by god.

we can only pray asking god to change / save them from thier sins , and let them reap what they sow by going to jail.

only god as the power to put death on human NOT by human or satan.
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written by steviewonger, December 12, 2008 11:52:08
This cancerous thing has been in Bolehland for 5 decades. and it can never be cured unless we , the rakyat, cure it by voting out the present gomen.
the Ameno gomen have the cheek to recruit more thieves,looters and easy jobs(advertisement in TV)in the sense of Civil defence.
My gosh, this things have to be stopped, now and permanently.
and for the fat head, selangor CPO, resign now before spiiting more shit out of his fat mouth.
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written by nero287, December 13, 2008 22:35:53
First of all why must a cop be in charge of search & rescue? What training is given to cops to oversee S&R operations? Secondly, why should the media consult the Chief cop before they write anything? Is he saying that they can only write what he thinks is the truth? If that is so, why the need for investigations? It also implies that there must be a need for cencorship. Anyway although I have not been to the site, I believe that there is too much food there. Just look at his fat ugly face, caused by overeating food and makan rasuah. Curse that u have a coronary attack soon!!!
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written by dassky2000, December 16, 2008 16:00:35
WHAT CAN WE EXPECT TO HAVE? WHEN THIEVES AND SCOUNDRELS TRAIN THESE SO CALLED RESCUE TEAMS. WE INRETURN GET THIEVES AND SCOUNDRELS.

tHIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME, IN ALL DISASTERS LOOTING BY THE SO CALL RESCUERS ARE PRONE.
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written by AstralQueen, December 16, 2008 18:45:51
It sounds absolutely miserable. 'Consult with me before you write.' Why? So that you can threaten us to shut the f*ck up? Get f*cking real. We once had an incident where the neighbours left a pot on the stove and the house was smoking badly. We calledthe firemen and it took them round 30 minutes to get there. What the hell? By the time they get there, the house could have burnt down to embers. Incompetent idiots.
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written by anon, December 17, 2008 20:59:28
Pete, so what else is new. The only new thing is I am back in here after a hiatus of about a year ... it's good to be back Pete.

Sorry about taking up space here but I was away from the computer for that time period.

Pete, I tried to write to you but my mail was sent back by an auto generated response.

Still in touch with Farouk but what happened to the others? We really had a great time commenting in here.

Sorry folks but I had to let Pete know and the friends that I used to have - including the ones who called me a racist. Pete put an end to all that when one of my articles was published in here.

I shall be writing about the Malay pysche - similar to the one you wrote - based on personal experience. Nice guy but I have this strange feeling he adores ben laden. Will be writing all this in my blog.

All the best Pete.

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