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Tuesday, 22 January 2008 18:44

Iran, for example, is not a failed state because it is non-white or because it is an Islamic country. It is a failed state because the West propped it up and closed its eyes to the human rights abuses under the Shah.

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Raja Petra Kamarudin

Over the last decade or so, since the Reformasi 'explosion' of 1998, I have met many Western journalists who passed this way in search of a story. Most of them wanted to meet me to talk about the goings-on in the local scene, in particular in relation to the opposition. Some imagine themselves as experts or authorities on human rights issues and of course countries like Malaysia are way at the bottom of their list of countries guilty of human rights abuses.

I actually get quite irritated when I speak to these Western journalists, those who imagine themselves as experts or authorities on matters concerning human rights. They are very patronising and speak with a high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou tone of voice. They always say they want to 'interview' me to get my views and thoughts on various issues. But when we meet it ends up with them lecturing me on what is wrong with this country and what 'people like us' should do to correct this sorry state of affairs.

Hey, you want my views, I will give it to you. I did not ask to meet you. You asked to meet me. But if you are meeting me to give me your views and to tell me what is wrong with this country and what 'we' should do about it, then I do not need to meet you. I have just too much work to do and am too busy to waste my valuable time to hear a sermon from people who think they are right because of the colour of their skin and we are wrong also for the same reason.

Yes, that's right, these Westerners harbour this impression that because they are Westerners they must be right and because we are Asians then we must be wrong. White is right (and some say might is also right), so we non-whites must sit through an hour of an 'interview' getting lectured on the Western perception of right and wrong. And they show this 'we know what we are talking about' streak in the way they write and talk. And they don't talk to you. They talk down at you.

If I were to write an article that the Jews are the cause of the Middle East crisis and it is because of their Zionist policy and their illegal occupation of Arab land that there is so much strife and killing I would be whacked to kingdom come. If I were to write that the so-called Holocaust did not happen and there is no evidence it did happen they would probably send a hit squad to bump me off. Running down the Jews is a no-no and no white-skin journalist would allow you to do this.

If I were to whack Islamic countries or Asian dictators, I would be viewed as a great person. And if I who whacks Islamic countries or Asian dictators am a Muslim on top of that, then I would be hailed as a great liberal Muslim or Asian. Westerners just love Muslims or Asians who whack their own kind. This sort of gives them the feeling that they are certainly right if the Muslims or Asians agree with what they have to say.

Sure, most Asian, African, Latin American and African countries are failed states. Not all failed states are Muslim countries of course but all Muslim countries are certainly failed states. And these countries deserve getting whacked. But who is the cause of this? These Western journalists who whack countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, etc., seem to overlook one thing. Many of these countries would not even exist if not for the Western powers. The Western powers created many of these countries after the two 'great' wars. And many of these failed states and dictatorships would have fallen a long time ago if not for the fact that the Western powers propped them up for their own self-interest.

Iran, for example, is not a failed state because it is non-white or because it is an Islamic country. It is a failed state because the West propped it up and closed its eyes to the human rights abuses under the Shah. Iran served the interest of the West so the West ignored the rampant and blatant human rights abuses and pretended it did not exist. Iraq was the same case. Whatever Saddam Hussein did was not something he did when he was opposed to the West but long before that while he still served the interest of the West. But the West closed its eyes to all this and pretended nothing was happening because Iraq was useful to Western interests.

Closer to home, Vietnam, Korea, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, etc., were all also led by dictators who not only had no respect for human rights but did not even understand the meaning of the term. So the dictators of Vietnam, Korea, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, etc., were also tolerated and supported. Only when they could no longer serve the interest of the West were they condemned and allowed to fall in favour of 'popular peoples' movements'.

The West is a hypocrite. The West created all these monsters, these failed states. And those from the West now come here to preach to us about what is good and what is bad and about how bad Malaysia is. And we have to sit through hours of 'interviews' listening to them go on about what 'we' should be doing to correct this.

Do they not realise that their governments created these monsters? Do they not realise that many of these monsters did not exist until their governments carved out new countries from the spoils of the two 'great' wars and which they divided amongst them to serve as their colonies? Do they not realise that their governments propped up all these failed states because the dictators running these failed states served the interest of the West? Who are they to tell us what is right and what is wrong and what we should do about it? Why did they not scream, rant and rave 50 or 60 years ago before these failed states became failed states and before the dictators running these failed states had exterminated millions of their own citizens as well as citizens of their neighbouring countries?

It is now three generations or more since many of these failed states were created. Today, the grandchildren are condemning the failed states which were created by their grandfathers and which were propped up by their fathers. These present day Western journalists somehow feel they have earned the right to criticise countries like Malaysia and sermon us as to what we should be doing. And they adopt this high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou tone of voice when lecturing us.

Many do not really understand the term 'failed state' so I have extracted below what Weber and Wikipedia have to say on the matter. You will notice that Malaysia certainly fits the bill of a failed state as evident in the parts we have highlighted in bold. Yes, Malaysia is, by 'Western' standards, a failed state, and I do not quite disagree with their prognosis. My only beef is that countries like Malaysia became failed states because the West allowed them to become so and because they served the interest of the West to become so. Failed states need to be propped up so the West would be required to do this propping up. In this way failed states would continue to be beholden to the West. It is only when they no longer serve the interest of the West would failed states be allowed to fall at the detriment of the population as what we have seen in many countries where the dictators finally fell only to bring the country out of the frying pan and into the fire.

What is a failed state and how would we recognise one?

There are several indicators of a failed state. The declaration that a state has 'failed' is generally controversial since, when made authoritatively, this assessment may carry significant geopolitical consequences.

Indicators include:

  1. a state whose central government is so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory (the level of control required to avoid being considered a failed state varies considerably amongst authorities),

  2. legitimate authority to make collective decisions has been eroded,

  3. reasonable public services can not be provided,

  4. widespread corruption and criminality,

  5. refugees and involuntary movement of populations,

  6. sharp economic decline,

  7. failed interaction with other states.

A state could be said to 'succeed' if it maintains a monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force within its borders. When this is broken (e.g., through the dominant presence of warlords, militias, or terrorism), the very existence of the state becomes dubious, and the state becomes a failed state. The difficulty of determining whether a government maintains 'a monopoly on the legitimate use of force' (which includes the problems of the definition of 'legitimate') means it is not clear precisely when a state can be said to have 'failed'. This problem of legitimacy can be solved by understanding what Weber intended by it. Weber clearly explains that only the state has the means of production necessary for physical violence (politics as vocation). This means that the state does not require legitimacy for achieving monopoly on the means of violence (de facto) but will need one if it needs to use it (de jure).

The term is also used in the sense of a state that has been rendered ineffective (i.e., has nominal military/police control over its territory only in the sense of having no armed opposition groups directly challenging state authority; in short, the 'no news is good news' approach) and is not able to enforce its laws uniformly because of high crime rates, extreme political corruption, an extensive informal market, impenetrable bureaucracy, judicial ineffectiveness, military interference in politics, cultural situations in which traditional leaders wield more power than the state over a certain area but do not compete with the state, or a number of other factors.

Indicators of state vulnerability

The index's ranks are based on twelve indicators of state vulnerability - four social, two economic and six political. The indicators are not designed to forecast when states may experience violence or collapse. Instead, they are meant to measure a state's vulnerability to collapse or conflict.

Social indicators

1. Demographic pressures: including the pressures deriving from high population density relative to food supply and other life-sustaining resources. The pressure from a population's settlement patterns and physical settings, including border disputes, ownership or occupancy of land, access to transportation outlets, control of religious or historical sites, and proximity to environmental hazards.

2. Massive movement of refugees and internally displaced peoples: forced uprooting of large communities as a result of random or targeted violence and/or repression, causing food shortages, disease, lack of clean water, land competition, and turmoil that can spiral into larger humanitarian and security problems, both within and between countries.

3. Legacy of vengeance-seeking group grievance: based on recent or past injustices, which could date back centuries. Including atrocities committed with impunity against communal groups and/or specific groups singled out by state authorities, or by dominant groups, for persecution or repression. Institutionalized political exclusion. Public scapegoating of groups believed to have acquired wealth, status or power as evidenced in the emergence of 'hate' radio, pamphleteering and stereotypical or nationalistic political rhetoric.

4. Chronic and sustained human flight: both the 'brain drain' of professionals, intellectuals and political dissidents and voluntary emigration of 'the middle class'. Growth of exile/expat communities are also used as part of this indicator.

Economic indicators

5. Uneven economic development along group lines: determined by group-based inequality, or perceived inequality, in education, jobs, and economic status. Also measured by group-based poverty levels, infant mortality rates, education levels.

6. Sharp and/or severe economic decline: measured by a progressive economic decline of the society as a whole (using: per capita income, GNP, debt, child mortality rates, poverty levels, business failures.) A sudden drop in commodity prices, trade revenue, foreign investment or debt payments. Collapse or devaluation of the national currency and a growth of hidden economies, including the drug trade, smuggling, and capital flight. Failure of the state to pay salaries of government employees and armed forces or to meet other financial obligations to its citizens, such as pension payments.

Political Indicators

7. Criminalization and/or delegitimisation of the state: endemic corruption or profiteering by ruling elites and resistance to transparency, accountability and political representation. Includes any widespread loss of popular confidence in state institutions and processes.

8. Progressive deterioration of public services: a disappearance of basic state functions that serve the people, including failure to protect citizens from terrorism and violence and to provide essential services, such as health, education, sanitation, public transportation. Also using the state apparatus for agencies that serve the ruling elites, such as the security forces, presidential staff, central bank, diplomatic service, customs and collection agencies.

9. Widespread violation of human rights: an emergence of authoritarian, dictatorial or military rule in which constitutional and democratic institutions and processes are suspended or manipulated. Outbreaks of politically inspired (as opposed to criminal) violence against innocent civilians. A rising number of political prisoners or dissidents who are denied due process consistent with international norms and practices. Any widespread abuse of legal, political and social rights, including those of individuals, groups or cultural institutions (e.g., harassment of the press, politicisation of the judiciary, internal use of military for political ends, public repression of political opponents, religious or cultural persecution.)

10. Security apparatus as ‘state within a state’: an emergence of elite or praetorian guards that operate with impunity. Emergence of state-sponsored or state-supported private militias that terrorize political opponents, suspected 'enemies', or civilians seen to be sympathetic to the opposition. An 'army within an army' that serves the interests of the dominant military or political clique. Emergence of rival militias, guerilla forces or private armies in an armed struggle or protracted violent campaigns against state security forces.

11. Rise of factionalised elites: a fragmentation of ruling elites and state institutions along group lines. Any use of nationalistic political rhetoric by ruling elites, often in terms of communal irredentism or of communal solidarity (e.g., 'ethnic cleansing' or 'defending the faith'.)

12. Intervention of other states or external factors: military or Para-military engagement in the internal affairs of the state at risk by outside armies, states, identity groups or entities that affect the internal balance of power or resolution of the conflict. Intervention by donors, especially if there is a tendency towards over-dependence on foreign aid or peacekeeping missions.

List of countries by Failed States Index

(or see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index)

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written by Surich, January 22, 2008 19:19:29
Hello,

Those who has time can get a copy of this book by Syed Akbar Ali available in Popular bookstore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_And_The_Club_Of_Doom



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written by Task Force 101, January 22, 2008 19:22:14
Agreed the West are a bunch of morons who look down on Asians. Even professionally, they act all high and mighty. I feat that with the brain drain this will become the norm.

But I want to ask, who is to blame for this current thinking? U only have to look in the mirror. Look at how our sales ppl treat locals as opposed to the westerners. Even in my travels, I do not get treated like tat. They treat all equally. In fact better since we foreigners have problem speaking Eng in the local slang.

Look at how in the offices when we have a mat salleh how the locals will go all out to share where the good food and great places to visit are among other things which I do not need to detail. We are like prostitutes in some cases. I do not need to detail wat Klang Valley guys see when all the local girls are swarming over Mat Sallehs in Bangsar etc. This conduct is taken back by the Mat Sallehs and disseminated as "Asians are easy and dumb. Asia our former colony is still the same. We are still GOD". How else can u explain the amount of white monkeys in GLCs, banks and corporates holding senior positions when there are many qualified Msians (non Malay and Malay) in the market? Mind u some of these Mat Sallehs look at working here as a holiday and they are nothing more than officers back home.

We as Msians need to appreciate ourselves and be proud of wat we are. Somewhere either in our education system or social thread or citizenry we have been told we are not worth it and there are greener pastures outside or if you are CHinese or Indian you need to lock in to a Mat Salleh to "rescue" you from this hell hole or failed state We need to stop accepting the crap the West dishes out and question it and critize it. I am always open to a good discussion but talk down and I will walk away.

Thank you RPK for highlighting this as this has allowed me to present my view of how some Msians conduct themselves socially and professionally.
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written by hiro, January 22, 2008 19:32:50
This article is an excellent political science study. And it certainly indicates that Malaysia is on its way to failing if nothing is done about fixing the fundamental fault lines developing in the society - between those who value integrity, and those who are utterly corrupt; between those who value inclusiveness and moderation, and those who prefer extremism and exclusiveness; and between those who value professionalism and competency, and those who are lazy and incompetent.
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written by spliff_roller, January 22, 2008 19:49:39
Bob Marley - Babylon System

We refuse to be
What you wanted us to be;
We are what we are:
Thats the way (way) its going to be. you dont know!
You cant educate i
For no equal opportunity:
(talkin bout my freedom) talkin bout my freedom,
People freedom (freedom) and liberty!
Yeah, weve been trodding on the winepress much too long:
Rebel, rebel!
Yes, weve been trodding on the winepress much too long:
Rebel, rebel!

Babylon system is the vampire, yea! (vampire)
Suckin the children day by day, yeah!
Me say: de babylon system is the vampire, falling empire,
Suckin the blood of the sufferers, yea-ea-ea-ea-e-ah!
Building church and university, wo-o-ooh, yeah! -
Deceiving the people continually, yea-ea!
Me say them graduatin thieves and murderers;
Look out now: they suckin the blood of the sufferers (sufferers).
Yea-ea-ea! (sufferers)

Tell the children the truth;
Tell the children the truth;
Tell the children the truth right now!
Come on and tell the children the truth;
Tell the children the truth;
Tell the children the truth;
Tell the children the truth;
Come on and tell the children the truth.

cause - cause weve been trodding on ya winepress much too long:
Rebel, rebel!
And weve been taken for granted much too long:
Rebel, rebel now!

(trodding on the winepress) trodding on the winepress (rebel):
Got to rebel, yall (rebel)!
Weve been trodding on the winepress much too long - ye-e-ah! (rebel)
Yea-e-ah! (rebel) yeah! yeah!

From the very day we left the shores (trodding on the winepress)
Of our fathers land (rebel),
Weve been trampled on (rebel),
Oh now! (weve been oppressed, yeah!) lord, lord, go to ...
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written by cruzeiro, January 22, 2008 19:52:26
RPK,
I really wonder who these guys who wanted to interview you were ....
Anyway, No reason to get offended by their perception - you just have to counter it with your's.
After all, it is most probably is all relative.
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written by batsman, January 22, 2008 20:05:41
Come on guys! The writing is on the wall. We are not going to get many more chances. Time is running out. What more can I say? Use your vote to save Malaysia! Use your mouths to canvass for the opposition! Never mind black white, brown or Yellow. Use the system. Don't let the system use YOU! Use your vote! Save Malaysia!
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written by educationist, January 22, 2008 20:11:19
Before I read your artcle , I thought you are too harsh on our country. But the explanations say it all. Yet I will like to believe there is as yet hope for our country. And I hope we'll see the change taking place in the coming elections with the BN denied the 2/3 majority
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written by orangmsia, January 22, 2008 20:27:08
Failed state with failed MIC leader samy vellu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3atg7bGgc7k
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written by AsamLaksa, January 22, 2008 20:50:58
There's always hope for every state. That's why we are here posting our views. But we can't depend on someone else to do it for us be it the whites, your leaders, etc..

I got quite pissed off when someone once posted in a forum that hey do not want to discuss politics in Malaysia because there's nothing he can do or want to do about it. The poster's solution was if you don't like it then get out or else just shut up and suck it in (sounds like how UMNO treats non-bumis). And he also brought up that it's somebody else's problem (like activists and politicians) to sort it out as long as he is left in peace.

Anyway in regards to the failed states and how the West view Asian countries, I must add that most of the Westerners I have spoken to have little idea about the hypocrisy of their position in criticising the East. Most of them are ignorant as to how the West played such a huge part of the current global situation. It's like total denial and ignorance. It's like they are enjoying the fruits of their history and forget about how they are enjoying them now at the cost of lives in other countries. It's not just about human rights but any other issues that affects people globally such as animal rights, environment, trade, etc.. Just ask the Americans who made so much fuss about green house gases from China about what they are going to do about the situation in America.

Perhaps the former colonial countries should band together and get a strong message across that they were 'raped' by the West for their resources and national interests of the former colonial masters and now left hung to dry. But what's the point? If we keep on harbouring about the past, we won't move forward much.

So, yeah, failed state or becoming a failed state, there is still hope and it lies with the individual.
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written by Yen Moy, January 22, 2008 20:54:49
What rubbish? I am sure if the West to open their doors to every Malaysians. There will be hardly anyone left in Malaysia. The problem with Asians is we are not confident when dealing with whites. I have been working in Australia for the past 28 years.
I disagree that the whites look down Asians but I believe it is the rich that looking down the poor. If we Asians show good humor and statementship than it may be a different sceniro. The West respect Singapore and Japan.
How do you expect the West to respect you, when we don't respect the West.
White man is like us they judge us what we done not what we can do.
This is a joke that I like telling to my white mates.
When God put his 1st moulded man into an oven he set it "HIGH"
It turns out too black and he threw it to Africa.
He moulded another one and turned the setting to "LOW"
When it was over the person was too white. So he dished it to Europe.
Now GOD moulded the final and the last one.
He put the oven to "MEDIUM"
WOW that's a perfect yellowish in colour. That is why they are so many yellow skin on this earth.
What more can I say..
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written by C360, January 22, 2008 22:03:55
Yes, I agree with the view that Malaysia is (at the very least) headed in the direction of a failed state .. pitiful and pathetic .. to say the least ..
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written by cruzeiro, January 22, 2008 22:05:11
Pete,
I donno why you having this "thing" against "whites" - you of all people.
Frankly, I have never had a white man speak to me in a condescending manner. Nor have I ever felt in any way inferior (maybe superior intellectually, on occasion, tho').
Maybe they are that way when they are "made to feel" superior by "some who drool at the sight" of them.
They speak of what they believe in, and always are open to criticism and accept an opposing POV.
Generally, I believe that they are quite reasonable people, unlike those who preach some "asian values" as an excuse for despotism and political high-handedness.
If we are gonna still keep blaming them for the past, present and future, there'll be no end to the search for scapegoats. Their opinion has to be taken into account if we need them.
We have been entrusted to a nation, and we have to make work.
We just have to build a vibrant and successful nation by fighting for justice and progress.
Everything else is irrelevant.
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written by Namolos, January 22, 2008 22:46:23
Why dont you guys go read.....''CONFESSION OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN'' by John Perkins.....it tells you in details what America ( USA )have been doing all these while...ROBBING THE FUTURE GENERATIONS of POOR COUNTRIES via OIL and to Control China indirectly via ENERGY.

Yes, E H M have been around Malaysia too since the late 60's {sixties}
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written by DontPlayGod, January 22, 2008 22:58:36
Malaysia, if not already a failed state, is fast joining the ranks of a failed state, due mainly to its on-track to an Islamic state. As Syed Akbar Ali wrote, so far all the failed states are Islamic states, ruled by half-past six mullahs/ayatollahs, whose claim to political knowledge/good governance and knowledge of economic issues is almost nil. Of course, the only non-Islamic state to join this rank of failed states is Burma. But Burma is not failed state because it is Buddhist, rather it is a failed state because it is run and governed by the military.

Malaysia is also heading to a failed state status as it is now on auto-pilot most of the time. The CEO of the country is out of the country most of the time, and is not in touch with the major issues facing the country. If there are major issues, he will be the last person to make a decision, and after listening to all his ministers, politicians, and NGO's make their comments, he will then make his comments based on the most popular opinions.

Malaysia is heading towards a failed state as Islamisation of the country is now progressing rapidly. Government critics, and those who have often come out with views that are in direct opposition to those of the Government are arrested and detained under the ISA. This creates fear to the opposition and critics, and eventually, the Government can do what it likes, and how it likes.

Malaysia is heading towards a failed state, as the Government uses racial issues and race supremacy to rule the country. The country's rulers also practises race discrimination in economics as well as in politics.
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written by Friez, January 22, 2008 23:08:28
Dear Raja Petra,

First time commnetator here, so please excuse any breach of comment-etiquette and spelling/grammar mistakes (over-reliance on Spellcheck thanks to Bil Gates and the prevalence of Microsoft Word...).

Having been based in the Western world for well over 10 years, I can honestly say that I have seen a big shift in the way the westerners I have come into contact with, both on a personal and professional level, perceive us. When I was fresh of the plane in 1997, most people I met knew Malaysia only as "that former British colony north of Singapore and south of Thailand", and little else.

Throughout the years this has improved, and most westerners I've met are very aware of Malaysia as a well-established and growing country, and not just for the occasional tropical paradise holiday. This is not to say that they are aware of the political climate or the actual state of the economy.

I know you did not mean to generelise that all Westerners have a hoier-than-thou attitude towards us country bumpkins from the Far East - definitely from a professional point of view I cannot recall any point in my years of working here that I have been talked down to because of where I was from (I've been talked down to plenty because of my own stupidity, but that's a different story entirely...). The westerners, when it comes to the working environment, definitely take meritocracy to the nth degree, and although there is and always will be office politicking involved, by and large if you perform well you will be rewarded and respected appropriately.

However, I do detect a certain moral superiority when speaking to those who purport to be "in the know" when it comes to issues of human rights, anti-capitalism, and the like - your typical Green-minded bleeding heart liberals who are trying to put the world to rights one group-hug-with-a cup-of-Fairtrade-coffee-and-granola-bar at a time. I distinctly remember going to an Amnesty International meeting once during the whole Anwar Ibrahim imprisonment episode when I was still at University. It started of well, lambasting the draconian ISA concept and such, but quickly deteriorated due to the lack of their understanding of what Malaysia as a country really is like. The picture they painted bore no resemblance to the country I was from, and I was horrifed at what the audience must think it was like living in Malaysia. Suffice to say I left the meeting soon after in protest.

I would think that these people who you mentioned early on in your blog were obviously after a story, which they would probably have already sketched out in their minds. I also think that a lot of journalism nowadays tend to veer towards having an amount of shock-value to grab the atention of the readers. And the Far East surely does have a lot of things with which they can chock their western reader base with (detention without due process! rampant corruption! racial discrimination! racial tensions! - which could actually be applied to most western countries with as much ease as it would to Malaysia...).

As mentioned in earlier comments by Cruzeiro and Task Force 101 it is up to us when faced with such blinkered views of our country, to set the record straight and educate people on what the situation really is - warts and all. I'm sure you gave those interviewers a piece of your mind at the least,and a severe tongue-lashing at best!

With regards to whether Malaysia is a failed state or not - based on those indicators it would appear to be so, or at least heading in that direction. However, it is heartening to see that there is a large movement of people such as the contributors to this webpage and several others, who are taking pro-active steps towards dragging the country out of the shithole the current administration appears determined to push us into. Echoing Cruzeiro's statement, it really is up to the citizens to make the country what it could and should be, both in the real world and in the minds of those are currently misinformed.

Oh - and great work on the site. I am a great admirer of your passion for the country, as I am with the passionate response given by the contributors to this site. Although posting song lyrics in the commentary does seem a bit strange (I've seen this in a few comments on this site already!)...

Wassalam
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written by temenggong, January 22, 2008 23:33:37
On 4th Nov 2007, I wrote in an international forum:

"Malaysia has been a failing state since 2000. In the last four years it has
taken a nosedive and all the organs of separation of powers is not functioning.
There is anarchy. We are into a tailspin. We expect bankruptcy by 2012."

I said 'failing state' not 'failed state'. I have no reason to reappraise my views. End of this year I will, as it will be quite evident to all by then!

Good article. I agree whiteys have that attitude as their activism gets the better of them.
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written by Roy, January 23, 2008 01:23:57
Dear RPK,

We can't put the blame to Mat Salleh all the time. It might lead to finding excuses. After 50 years, I think it is more about us and how this country is governed.

While I do not wish to debate deeper the former contributory factor, I would like to put more emphasis and thoughts at the latter factor. Government, any government, will have to ensure the success of a country by its policies, implementation and monitoring. If any of these three vital elements are lacking or not done correctly, it's almost a warranty that a country will collapse.Even worse if these vital elements in governing a country being left to a bunch of corrupt and brainless people.

I do not know how many realise that Malaysians are being fed with artificial economic stories every time you watch local news over local TV. Who contest all those figures anyway? None.

Malaysia has not always been a failed state, if only we think and translate our thoughts in whatever platform and opportunity that we may have in the near future.

Revive Malaysia.
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written by raven1958, January 23, 2008 01:42:02
A country is a failed state just as long as its citizens let it be....
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written by renoir, January 23, 2008 02:32:03
Well, after a quarter century in the U.S. (returned here just a few years ago), I'd like to make some distinctions between American journalists, political commentators, politicians, and the general public. Journalists are generally overpaid workers whose opinions are shaped by their own corporations as well as their peers. They like to indulge in cliches and meaningless platitudes, besides bad grammar. They're normally lazy and often assume that what they hear and read about are the gospel truth. Political commentators often share the same habits as the journalists except that sometimes they DO make more effort at fact-finding - and then write as if they've never undertaken their research for they know who buttered their bread. Politicians are the same the world over - liars and hypocrites who'd sell their grandmothers for some political advantage. The general public, while also mostly ignorant, are on the whole only interested in beer, sex, and football(the American version). But they seldom talk down at you and many of them do have hearts of gold. Some of my best friends are Americans - and they range from the highly educated to the not-so-well-educated. It has been a privilege to know them.

LChuah
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written by monstercat, January 23, 2008 03:12:31
Cruzeiro,

I agree with you, we should stop blaming those mat sallehs who colonised us and handed us our independence. Whatever we have inherited from the mat sallehs that are not right for us could be improved, don't you think? And if the Americans or British or Jewish for that matter, just include them lah, are deceiving and manipulating us for their own benefits, well who else to blame but ourselves for not learning after first mistake. Can we blame someone for being more astute in business sense, or politically? It doesn't look honourable on us when we make known publicly their suspicious intentions but yet want to sign trade agreements with them! Funny. We either buck up, keep on increasing our knowledge so that we know their ways and would be able to counter them, or just keep on blaming them for all the mistakes the govt made. We should keep our friends close, but our enemies closer. We don't have to adopt their ways.

And no mat sallehs have made me feel little because I refuse to let them do that, or most I've met are really respectful people. There was one Frenchman who was based in Malaysia for nearly 4 years who admonished me for litering. Ooops! That was many donkey years ago. I thank him for his boldness in pointing out my shameful act.
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written by Shimshon, January 23, 2008 05:11:29
During the Reformasi period in Indonesia - and later in Malaysia - the bloody neighbours of ours looked down on us - as if there were better of.
The damn Indonesia, the Philippines, Singapore, etc -- all saw themselves as "More Democratic (& Human Rights, Freedom of Expression, etc) Than Thou(M'sia)!

Even Singapore looked down on us -- until a couple of years later around 2000-01 -- when they realised - that if Malaysia economy goes down & political instablity prolonged - Singapore goes down too!
(And the Singaporeans began to be less judgemental concerning Malaysia's democracy and economic downturn)

But this damn Indons - are forever looking down on us - forever chanting, "Ganyang Malaysia(Crush M'sia)", and having routine protests outside our embassy in Jakarta, burning our flag, etc. --
and worse, then demand("telling us what to do") that Malaysia allow them free entry into the country - and give good pay & VIP treatment -
"because the Indons(a derogatory term to them, but to us is just a short form) and the Malays are "Bangsa Serumpun".

Since nations worse than Malaysia's economic development, healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc, and ones coming here to make a living look so down on us(since their own countries can't provide for them), look down on us as if we're their inferiors -
you'd find by comparison, the Westerners are generally humble & "treat us as equal" --

considering --

we're under the Western/White Civilization period! .... and they literally civilized us big time/way -
and everything generally we have, like the country called Malaysia, even the term Malay (tho' the Indians named the land & people 'Malai'ages before)was "officiated","instituted" by the Brit Whiteys!

Hey! Even this computer, internet, where we enjoy RPK's Malaysia Today, is thanks to the Whiteys!

And RPK is also a half-Whitey! - and he's proud to be one of them Whiteys!

Can anyone imagine RPK being a pure Melayu Jati or Bugis - and being "world class" & "First World Mentality"? ...
and being so accomodating to nonMalay-nonMuslim views and plight?
Nope!
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written by crispenang, January 23, 2008 07:15:40
Having lived in the US for the past 18 years, I have never once met an American or Westerner who was condescending or talked down to me. You cannot generalize your opinions of a few journalists to that of the general population. I have learned from my husband, professors, colleagues, bosses, friends and family-in-laws that what is valued is your integrity, hard-work and tenacity. I also work for a global company where there are many professional Asians, both males and females, in the executive and managerial positions. These folks are highly respected and sought after for their knowledge and expertise in their respective fields. And believe me, no one is condescending or talked down to! If you show you've earned your position through hard work, perseverance and merit instead of accepting hand-outs, entitlements and affirmative action, the rewards are tremendous. The British left Malaysia 50 years ago - whose stopping you from making your own way in the world?? I left Malaysia 18 years ago, and achieved many of my goals that would have been unattainable in Malaysia during this time frame and there's no limit to what I can continue to achieve.
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written by alan cheong, January 23, 2008 09:36:22
wotcha gripin' 'bout, Peter? quite unlike you.

regardless of how these 'failed' states came about, EVERY ONE has/had an opportunity(ies) at some time or other to make a stand, to stand for themselves and make something out of themselves. Malaysia included.

even if the West did not carve out these states, the differing peoples, values and cultures will ultimately lead to feudalism. 'tis human, not the West.

there are Westerners with patronising ways and a high and mighty attitude, but there are mature Westerners, too, who make us feel good to be part of the human race.

it comes back to the immediate need to change our current government, and HOW WE the people can achieve that.
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written by Vineeth Menon, January 23, 2008 11:36:46
Some of our members comment on subject matter is like "SV saying Indians are not marginalized"

To know these whites, its not enough to have a white boss or,just visited their country for some purpose or just attended a few months training there.

As am working with the Swiss,German,French,Indian,Filipino & Indonesian at the same time on Projects for last 2years in various parts of the world(Even when am typing this),I would strongly agree with RPK on what he said..

There is other part which many of you would have never seen. Its too much to type here if were to explain the mindset and attitude.

Its nice when you visit them, or talk to them,do business with them or when they are in our land.But when you get deeper..its S***.

So, There is no right or wrong in this argument, its a perception based on your personal experience, exposure and analysis..

On comments above:-
1.We are not in Western civilization - Its the technology revolution going on..
2.Internet & computer is not western contribution - There are various inventions by various people involved from different parts of the world to get where we are in this IT.The major part of software design is the contribution of the Indians from India.

Malaysia is a failed state , or at least heading in that direction.
We have to use our brains and don't get influenced by anybody. Whites are not eligible to advise us on what is right or wrong. They have their on racist & religious agenda.
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written by Just Gan, January 23, 2008 12:13:44
Pete,
The current PM and his rotten regime are doing their best to make sure that this once great, stable and harmonious nation will become a failed state. But Dr. Mahathir is the one who laid the foundation, built up the corrupt, rotten and fundamentalist systems/rules/policies/politics, and handed all this over to the current PM . The consequence is that Malaysia is on fast track to become an "F" state. Yet, you did not mention Dr. Mahathir anywhere in your article? Why? Wasn't Dr. Mahathir also a West-propped-up dictator? Should we also not hold him accountable for Malaysia's fast deterioration? That he is no longer the PM is not sufficient reason to excuse him. If Dr. Mahathir seeks to right the wrongs he has done (in addition to seeking a change in PM , which in reality is a politically motivated move rather something in the interest of the country), we can be more forgiving.
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written by Rhan, January 23, 2008 12:21:41
Wow, batsman, nowadays you take every opportunity to quip us Chinese huh? Civilise and primitive is both subjective and therefore relative also. Take for example, some religion that was civilized in the pass is deemed primitive today. By the way, Ching dynasty is not a true Chinese base on historical sense, due to the inferiority complex feeling that exist with this governing elite, they have the habit to force others to do something not that civilized like you must learn their language, subscribe to their values, tolerance their religion practice and many more and it is no surprise they want the White to kow-tow.

But, the Chinese today is looking forward to become more civilized base on our own measurement and standard, not following what the Ang Moh tell. I hope all Asian will do the same.

RPK still could write like a angry youth, I like it.
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written by mendela, January 23, 2008 13:08:28
I might be wrong.

Reading between the lines, I pressume Pete might imply that in order for Malaysia not to become a failed state, the western powers must free Malaysia from any artificial supports, let the current regime collapse.

Shah's Iran was a good example, too much support from the western world on a corrupt regime and that was what we get in today's Iran!

Yes, to all western powers, instead of supporting this corrupt Bad-Awi regime, pls condemn it and pls help to bring it down, the sooner the better!
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written by speakofthemind, January 23, 2008 13:52:09
We are going down a dangerous path called "stereotyping" and this only lead to more hate and discrimination.
If only everyone NOT see people based on their skin colour, race, religion, gender and nationality, this world will be a better place to live in.

The west is a very broad term and the west like the east has people too who disagrees with the doings of their politicians, as what it is in the east. Just because of this certain politicians, we can't label the whole west as so, in playing part of creating failed states in the east. To simply put it in a broad term, it will be unfair not to blame the east too in its hands of creating this failed state.

Give respect to earn respect, thats a universal belief.

Not all Chinese are rich, and not all Malays are poor, So see any point in labeling?
None, we can only eradicate poverty, by looking at the root cause of it, and not just by looking at the skin colour.
We speak of NEP and now we go on labeling the West, how convenientsmilies/smiley.gif
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written by Crankshaft, January 23, 2008 15:12:03
I actually understand EXACTLY what it is that RPK is going on about. It's not about the average white man. It's about people who think they are the experts simply because they were taught that way and expect you to agree with them. And many of these people happen to Western journalists.

I can give you a whole list of things that are wrong with this country, but at least we haven't sunk as low as the USA for instance, where everyone is so easily offended about everything and people are looking to sue someone for some perceived slight against them.

Everyone is so politically correct that they tread on eggshells, especially around the Jews. Now I am Indian-Christian-Malaysian and have nothing personal against Jews, but if they get out of line with their demands, I will protest. I just can't stand all those who keep brown-nosing the Jews and making the Holocaust sound like it was the absolute worst tragedy the planet has ever seen.

It's just about time people (especially Western journalists) opened their damn ears and goddamn minds and tried to understand what is really going on in this country, for instance, instead of forcing their perceptions of what is happening on us.
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written by densemy, January 23, 2008 16:01:10
As an arrogant white guy( Yes, I admit it) I actually find it very difficult NOT to be arrogant. YOu can interpret that statement as you like

I look at Malaysia 50 yrs from colonisation and I look at Australia 100 years from colonisation, and I wonder how both countries could be so different

I look at Malaysia 50 years from colonisation and I look at Singapore 50 years from colonisation, and I wonder how both countries could be so different
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written by renoir, January 23, 2008 16:21:53
Batsman wrote:
>their culture has taken a nose-dive and many even call the westerners “ang mo cokong” (red hair person who is my illustrious ancestor – forgive the translation if it is wrong – I get it from second sources). ]]

There probably ARE a few who're like that, as could be found in all peoples. It's regrettable that even those few exist - though I have yet to meet one - as Chinese civilization predates those of Western Europe (who tried to extend their time-line by tracing their roots to the Greeks). But generally, no - hahaha! - the problem is that some still hang on to the racist idea that the Chinese are the smartest people in the world. (You did say you'd heard it for the first time, however.)

>the Red Indians to do things like this (they used to call the US President, our Great White Father, but have since wised up), but not the civilised Chinese]]

That was actually what the whites said the Indians said, as in some old Kit Carson comics. They called Carson an "Indian fighter" - Indian killer is more accurate.

LChuah


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written by Semuaok, January 23, 2008 19:13:56
RPK stop playing the blame game. I give you an example. Did you watch the last fight when Mike Tysoan lost. He keep on looking at the referee and complaint. Did you see Holyfield complaint or sue Mike. Holyfield guy with a heart problem came back and still a winner. Stop vying like iron Mike. To be honest I really feel you are a little arrogant now a days. Sometime you need to come back down to earth and listen, it might not be a lecture but a signal of the actual state we are in.
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written by batsman, January 23, 2008 19:52:18
Dear Renoir & Rhan - TQ for yr comments. I hope you don't take offence at mine even though they may sound wicked. I bear no malice towards the Chinese. In fact I have many Chinese friends and I think you have many, many strong points. I only sometimes wish you can be more kinky and unpredictable and assert yourselves more. I get GERAM when your reactions are sometimes so staid and predictable that UMNO finds it too easy to provoke you guys into reactions which are favourable to them. Vote Opposition. Save Malaysia.
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written by batsman, January 23, 2008 19:59:20
Semuaok - Looks like you subscribe to the philosophy that might is right. That way you are always on the winning side right? Do you have many friends?
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written by East Highlander, January 23, 2008 20:59:59
It's easy to be talked down to when you have an inferiority complex.
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written by Task Force 101, January 23, 2008 21:12:33
I feel so sad when I read some of the responses to this article. Some guy said the computer and internet is from the whites. Agreed. But just becoz UMNO/BN built the twin towers, PLUS highway and Sepang F1 we should continue to vote for them?

I am so suprised that my fellow countymen has such low opinion of themselves vs Mat Sallehs. Listen, we are the ppl of THIS COUNTRY and we should not allow ourselves to be talked down and allow Mat Sallehs to think they still rule us.

The article is trying to illuminate your minds with RPK's experience of how Mat Salleh view and write about us. The article is trying to express that we as Msians have a place in this planet and not be some lap dog for some Mat Salleh.

The way I see it, the article is not about trying to move cannon angle from NEP to Whites. Pls read carefully and drink the article.

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written by Motherchell, January 23, 2008 23:41:49
Its on its way to it , we have a cabinet that cannot count , cannot bring oput fest ideas , frozen in time --- except that they know how to recharge their bank accounts . SIMPLE EXAMPLES ARE - THE INTERVIEW ON AL JAZZEERA --- WITH KAIRY AND NAZRI---- ITS ON YOU TUBE ! WHAT ARE THE IMPRESSIONS WHEN THEY SAY AS LEADERS THAT THE "COUNTRY NEEDS NO MORE CHANGES, all is fine!", AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS COMMENTS . NAZRI TAKES THE COUNTRY TO THE DOGS -- WHEN THEY ARE THERE TO TAKE CARE OF THE FULL FACE OF THE COUNTRY .
TAKE FOR EXAMPLE ---- ALBaR!---- he being foreign minister! --- hes an ambassador of Malaysia!,
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Do they all have role models? -- as much as little students have in the worlds best , to inspire!
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written by jakk, January 23, 2008 23:43:14
RPK, wtf man. Do u really censore and remove people's comments? I mean wat the hell man. U claim to allow freedom of expression in Malaysia-today yet some comments that challenge u r removed despite not having any crude references. I hope u will remain consistent with your positions
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written by renoir, January 24, 2008 00:35:26
crispenang:
I think you were from a midwestern state university and later worked in Chicago. I was around those areas for about a quarter century and seemed to remember a young lass whose name sounded something like yours, except it was of course not "penang." If you're that person, it's good to hear you're doing well.

Crankshaft:
Perceptive comments and they reveal your integrity. Even honest intellectuals were forced to shut up once someone accused them of that magic gatekeeping word "anti-Semitism." And a friend of mine - also a Jew, hahaha! - resented that! Of course probably the best known Jewish dissident is Finkelstein, who was forced to give up his professorship. Ironically, the Arabs too are Semites, but about ten years ago some dictionaries decided that the word belongs exclusively to only the Jews - a clear illustration of how language and historical narratives could be manipulated and owned by the powerful (just like "Allah" over here, huh?)

batsman says:
>I only sometimes wish you can be more kinky and unpredictable and assert yourselves more. I get GERAM when your reactions are sometimes so staid and predictable that UMNO finds it too easy to provoke you guys into reactions which are favourable to them.]]

Regarding Rhan, I've known him for years here in M-T, and sometimes his questions aren't necessarily his, but what he thought the Chinese are thinking. That does not mean he does not fear certain things like theocracy (which I do as well), but that, while he could see the larger picture and still vote Opposition, whether DAP, PKR, or PAS, he is nevertheless apprehensive about the whole political situation.

About my reactions being staid and predictable, I think I'd explained the dilemma of a Malaysian progressive. On the one hand, we must see the whole picture, and on the other we must also answer BN's attacks on minorities because they're sometimes existential threats, involving perhaps the loss of a community's culture or religion. The situation is aggravated when some Opposition parties kept mum or even support the actions of some BN extremists! So we have to walk the thin balancing line that tells us whether to speak out at racial/religious bigotry, or keep quiet without expressing our outrage, all because we want to "see the larger picture." This is a version of Keynes' comment about "the long run," of which he said: "In the long run we will all be dead."

But don't worry - our hearts will always be in the right place, either in the blogosphere or at the ballot box.

Cheers
LChuah
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written by renoir, January 24, 2008 01:42:21
I said:
>But don't worry - our hearts will always be in the right place, either in the blogosphere or at the ballot box.]]

Should be, of course, WHETHER in the blogosphere or at the ballot box.

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Wudan wrote:
>The above indicators appeared conspicuosly in the great United States of America today also. It has not only failed but technically a bankrucpt nation.]]

Except that there might be method in their madness, that perhaps this is a way to force reluctant Americans into a world war. We simply don't know why the present administration could allow the country to sink into the greatest deficit ever, after Clinton reversed the situation. Further, in the name of free trade hi-tech factories have relocated overseas at the expense of American workers. True, this benefits multinationals, but surely the plight of working class Americans should be taken into consideration. In such a situation, conspiracy theories are everywhere, from Bush trying to push America into a cataclysmic world war in order to fulfill the religious doctrines of the Far Right, to the Jews trying to wipe out America to let Europe regain its lost leadership. None is even remotely true, I think. More likely it's just that ancient greed that's at work. And Bush has little to do with it - I doubt he knows what's going on within his family, not to say the world.

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written by Shimshon, January 24, 2008 04:18:10
MALAY-SIA IS A FAILED STATE? YEP!!...Conclusively!

Ref. the HINDRAF Nov. 25 peaceful demonstration -- asking for equal rights as citizens - but the HINDRAF leaders get detained under the ISA(detention without trial).

More Indians have died/gave their lives "to build" this nation - than any other race! FACT!

On record, some tens of thousands in the first half of the 20th century -- but let's put an "imaginative" 100K-200K - that have died since the mid 19th century onwards .........

due to diseases, mishaps/accidents, some killings(due to fights) here and there, etc --

when primitive tools have to be used to clear forests, build roads, bridges, railway, plantation estates, etc etc etc!!

The present day Malays (most who're Indons who came here before and after Independance; and are still coming in and being accepted as Bumi Malays) --
are totally inconsiderate, insensitive, unappreciative of what the Indians' humungous contribution to building the nation - despite being a minority race!!.....

these socalled 'Malays" migrating over here - as back in Indonesia(ex-Dutch colony) things weren't that "modern and developed" like in Malaysia (thanks to the Brits who did a good job with their colony, and of course, the Chinese, Indians, "Others").

The same with the humungous contributions of the Chinese.

The 1969 Riots & Killings (Note their threats till today: "Remember May 13?? We'll kill you to defend Malay Special Priviledges!") - and the NEP --
was meant to rob the Chinese to enrich the Malays, was to get the Chinese (the true backbone of the M'sian economy) to enrich the Malay-Muslims ........

but the Malay-Muslims gets all the credit --
and the other races are considered "kaum penumpang" -- folks here under the benevolence & welfare of the Malays.

MALAYSIA IS A FAILED & DAMAGED STATE -- and we're now somehow surviving under the "DOING DAMAGE CONTROL PHASE!"

Much of the damage & harm was done under under the premiership of the Indian Muslim fellow, "MAHA-DEV".

He did everything "mega-projects style" -- which was OK when it comes to infrastructures, modernising the nation, etc ---

but not OK when he just "printed $$$" and created many multimillion/billion ringgit Malay companies, enterprises --
and also took over many banks, companies, etc mostly started from scratch by the Chinese,
and more "printing $$$" and multimillion/billions handed out them to the Malays via: ASN, ASB, Mara, etc,
bail outs, subsidies, etc etc -
all running into trillions of ringgit.

And esp. not OK when he used "mega project style" using the initiative & hardwork & high productivity of the other races - to enrich & advance the Malay-Muslims! ---
which means: 'At The Expense of the Others'(ie the nonMalay-nonMuslim)

MALAYSIA IS A FAILED STATE?? YEP!!

SHE SEALED HER FATE IN Sept 2001 (the same month of the Islamic Terrorist Attacks on NY & Washington) -- to declare that MALAYSIA IS AN ISLAMIC STATE!!

.... and further "worsened" the sealing of failed state fate, when this Beduin PM - want this "Agenda Melayu" thing to continue till 2057!
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written by TWOG, January 24, 2008 08:58:24
Wudan - the US is not quite a failed state.

///a state whose central government is so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory (the level of control required to avoid being considered a failed state varies considerably amongst authorities), ///

I think the US government is pretty much in control. The hands-off approach towards the economy is actually deliberate and a big PLUS as government intervention in the economy is the worst thing that can happen. Not only it has control over its own territory, the US also has control over others' territoties.

/// legitimate authority to make collective decisions has been eroded, ///

Examples?

/// reasonable public services can not be provided, ///

Huh?

/// widespread corruption and criminality, ///

Really?

/// refugees and involuntary movement of populations, ///

I thought it is the other way round - people from the world are trying to get into the US. Not aware of forced transmigration in the US.

/// sharp economic decline, ///


Sharp? Haven't even started. About to...

/// failed interaction with other states. ///

They can afford to. They call the shot - might is right - and the rest of the world has to take it or leave it.

/// The above indicators appeared conspicuosly in the great United States of America today also. It has not only failed but technically a bankrucpt nation. ///

The US is living beyond its means, yes. It is living on other people's money, yes. BUT, it will never be bankrupt as long as the Greenback is used as the world's currency. It can print more dollars anytime it wants without any consequemce to itself as the USD is the de facto world currency.
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written by Raja Petra, January 24, 2008 08:59:24
Dear jakk, how many times must I repeat that I never delete/remove comments? Must I keep saying thia again and again? Sekali cakap tak paham ke? Aiyah. Janganlah jadi bodoh sangat. Make sure you are logged in before posting comments. Or else your comments won't appear. And the server cache clears itself from time to time so you may find you have to log in again.

Dear Semuaok, what you mean now-a-days I am arrogant? I have ALWAYS been arrogant from the beginning, especially with people like you who don't understand what I am writing but pretend that they do. Hey, my articles are for people who can think lah.
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written by batsman, January 24, 2008 08:59:36
Renoir - what you say sounds reasonable enough and I too dislike intensely the black and white approach to solving problems. Unfortunately, in certain circumstances, the Bushite approach is all we are left with. In the elections, you can either vote for the govt or the opposition. The rakyat seems to be the only viable force left to ensure checks and balances to UMNO power. UMNO is turning Malaysia into a failed state. Isn't it time to forego shades of grey type analysis and go for broke? The rakyat must use the system and not let the system use them. I especially dislike the phrase "use your vote wisely". This urges people to indulge in pettifogging while forgetting the big picture. Malaysia is turning into a failed state. Time to slam the brakes on UMNO. Are you guys still going to worry whether the car will skid or not, etc?
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written by Rhan, January 24, 2008 09:43:04
Dear Batsman,
No offence at all and to be frank, your observation of the Chinese is sometimes amazingly true, but of course as a Chinese, I try to rebut you in a sarcastic way just to remind all of us that every race have it good and bad point, I believe your writing try to reflect the same manner too. Btw, it seems Singaporean like to use the term Ang Moh and not Malaysian, not sure why.


Dear LChuah,
As usual, you know me…hahaha. I hope sometime our provocative / stupid question could bring out some rational reply which could lead everyone to appreciate the opposition better but of course, this is not an easy task. From all the teh tarik session I have with most of my friend, I find that my generation have deep-rooted prejudice on the race and religion issue and BN is damn successful in capitalizing all this for their advantage. The part that confuses me is usually the opposition is the one who provoke and gain but in Malaysia, it is the other way round. First I thought we lack middle class but some of the election results indicate otherwise. I still find it hard to accept why opposition could lose in area like PJ, Bangsar and Subang. Anyway as you said, we do our part in the ballot box.
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written by Semuaok, January 24, 2008 10:13:15
RPK I have a lot of respect for you and I mean well. What I wrote is to encourage people to take action instead of thinking. Lah
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written by Semuaok, January 24, 2008 11:27:00
What the **** is this "On Sunday, police took away Eng Gor’s remains from a funeral parlour near here after Abdul Rahman claimed that the deceased was a Muslim." RPK you are absolutely right.
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written by Semuaok, January 24, 2008 11:29:00
Mister Prime Minister when are you going to take care the living?
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written by renoir, January 24, 2008 13:57:35
Batsman wrote:
>Isn't it time to forego shades of grey type analysis and go for broke?]]

Is it possible to do both - and perhaps gain more credibility by recognizing there ARE shades of grey? I'm just wondering...you might be right, but it's still difficult to accept wrongs from either side. There's an old Chinese concept behind your suggestion, however. It's about being "round outside and square inside" - meaning being flexible, do what's unexpected, even when it seems to compromise your ideals, but retain your sense of righteousness in the ultimate goal. A little Machelvellian, huh?

Rhan: yeah - just help get the opposition in, whether PAS, DAP, or PKR.

LChuah
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written by Raja Petra, January 24, 2008 15:20:10
Dear teo siew chin, if they want to be stroked gently then ask them to go to a massage parlour along Jalan Alor. Here in Malaysia Today we kick arses. And it is too little too late if you ask me. Now please send over that MCA bitch who said that if the Chinese vote opposition there will be another May 13. There will be another May 13 only when I decide there will be one and not otherwise. Comprende? MCA is threatening the Chinese with another May 13 and the Chinese are still arguing whether to vote opposition or not, whether should support PAS or not, and all that crap.
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written by cruzeiro, January 24, 2008 19:17:01
Now please send over that MCA bitch who said that if .......

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Yeah Pete! Now you talkin'!
Kick her to kingdom come!
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written by cruzeiro, January 24, 2008 19:23:21
MCA is threatening the Chinese with another May 13

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May 13 is the unwritten manifesto of the Neo-Alliance gangsters.

In fact, they have laid down the rules of the game as such - AMNO way, or No way.
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written by cruzeiro, January 24, 2008 19:42:28
Right now we are pretty close to a waterfall.
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So go have a shower ..... smilies/grin.gif

You see, the Allianze cannot survive without the props that keep the "main guys" shouting for "ketuanan Melayu" to hoodwink the Malays. They cannot survive without racist propaganda. Hell man - they can't survive without the racist pirates who support them financially.

Do you get the picture? There is truth in the charge, though not entirely accurate .... But don't get offended - the charge is directed against the species that like to be lapdogs, running dogs and pariah dogs.

But it isn't only the chinese involved here - so playing the race game along the line of the Allianze propaganda may not be such a good idea or too accurate.

Never fear - we now have SAHIH to give you accurate Mamak mee goreng information!!
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written by cruzeiro, January 24, 2008 20:10:49
Breaking News:-

Lingam admits to arranging the trip to NZ and asking Eusoffe Chin permission to follow by saying
- "Yes, Correct!"
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written by teo siew chin, January 24, 2008 20:49:59
Dear Yang Mulia Raja Petra

With all due respect, I don't know what kind of Chinese you hanging around with but as far as I'm concerned, those I know ain't scared of no threats, so there!!

And I think I'd hardly heed the opinions of your Chinese frens along Jalan Alor cos really, you think they use their heads?
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written by AussieMalay, January 24, 2008 21:09:00
RPK... I've been disturbed by this speculation that you're presenting an argument based from a certain political viewpoint rather than from a balanced style. No disrespect in any way but I've noticed a pattern since last year that you're promoting Anwar Ibrahim's views rather than expressing what you rather say. I may be wrong with this opinion but the uncertainty of this can be argued. I agree that BN is the problem but Anwar Ibrahim isn't really the angel of goodness. (This may be unrelated but it connects with my central argument) He was the Education Minister that made it compulsary for Malay to be the language/ the beginning of this backwardness policies and he also is one of the most corrupted finance minister in malaysia's history. Rather than mentioning these aspects towards your readers you're actually promoting his cause. I am for opposition make no doubt about that but PLEASE for the sake of ur credibility and reputation maintain a level of balannced views. Malaysia is a "failed state" as a result of Anwar's radical Pro-Malay views during the 70s when he was the Education Minister. While he may ot be entirely responsible he WAS STILL a contributer to this. Education is a vital component of improving our economy and thanks to his policies we're going backwards. I hope this issue gets settled even if in a way u are a partner of his "bedtime action".
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written by The dragonheart, January 25, 2008 00:14:55

I wonder whether language makes a student becomes good in their overall academic results and skills. Education to me is like molding something (say making Pegs).The pegs are the students. Depending on the mold the pegs can be in various shapes;round, square, triangle, hexagon, octagon etc etc. When the pegs are ready they will be put for operations, i.e. to be fixed in various holes (the holes symbolize the working environments). Therefore in order to fit a round hole you need a round peg, and to have round pegs you must make sure the right mold to use. So where does the language come in here? Nowhere except maybe the colour of the pegs. Colour is important because it does look nice but most important it is an identity.

In China, the base language is Chinese, in Japan is Japanese, In France is French, in Russia is Russian, in England is English, in Thailand is Thai, In Indonesia is Bahasa Indonesia.... and the list goes on and on... Why they chose such language?... Because the operation environment requires such language!

So what is our environment like? In most of the MNC English is widely used, in Chinese own companies Mandarin or any other Chinese dialects are required, in the government and malay own companies, Bahasa Malaysia is required.

Because of the multi-language requirement on a single environment of a multi-racial communities, we are truly lost. I wonder if there substantial Spanish or Italian or French speaking citizen in Australia and if they demand to have their schools in Australian, it would be a mess right?

Coming back to my first question, does language make the student better? then why chines e still prefer to sent their kids to chines e school, the well to do citizen (including the ministers, ADUN and MPs) sent they kids to private/international schools? and the Pious Islamic Malays sent their kids to pondok or religious schools? Obviously the language(colour) is not the main choice but the Education System (Mold) is.The result? a multi coloured and dificult to identify.

So ok.. the kids were given education (education in malaysia are under many ministries e.g kintergaten, primary/secondary schools, universities and colleges, youth vocationals trainings, Human resource development, etc2), but does the environment can absorb them? Our environment are like ABC (Ais batu Campur) - very colourful - but the citizen will always be segregated and sadly by ethic groups (according to its own colours) .

To unite a state,or to be at par with the developed state, first we must be common in communication, and common in goal. They must have the courage and commitment to change in a cohesion mode. We cannot put aside diversity of culture and religion but we can always show respect and non interference of personal faith. Malaysia must have a common platform and common environment just like in most countries as I mention above.

If our education systems and policy cannot fix into the environment, Malaysia will fail. And this failure will lead to a bigger failure which could make Malaysia as a failed state not due to external force but internal self destruction!

Therefore to be True Malaysian, set our colour first in our communication and the environment.
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written by technoboy, January 25, 2008 08:22:16
This failure could be largely attributed to obselete UMNO politics.
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written by teo siew chin, January 25, 2008 08:47:46
"Kalau tak suka you boleh keluear dari Malaysia-today."
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So there you are - spoken like a true Minister (to-be)! But do you all see the one major difference? This one is ENTITLED to throw out rubbish becos he is a man of SUBSTANCE!

What we cannot stand, and must not accept, are those dumb-asses who think they have a right to kick us about and treat us like shit, and worse, think they can get away with it and rule us forever!

Well, this time round those people can go eat what the cows leave behind.
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written by teo siew chin, January 25, 2008 09:26:33
The DragonH - i believe the chinese send their children to chinese school primarily becos the system of chinese teaching has worked for ages - diligence, discipline, honour, respect...are part of many virtues inculcated in the chinese teaching/learning system. The language itself has been pure for thousands of years - never mixed with any other languages. Each character of the chinese word denotes a very specific/refined meaning. Unlike say, english which has french, spanish, greek...macam-macam influences.

E=MC2 is exactly that - in whatever language. But are the school-kids being taught E=MC2? What exactly was taught to those 80,000 unemployed graduates? And mind you, i believe they were taught in a language they know!

What is wrong is the system itself and the flawed system may (may, mind you) be compounded by the language promoted.

In fact, in any proper teaching system, the learning of different languages is part and parcel of the system, more so at this day and age when all borders are open. Much needs to be done to prevent another 80,000 unemployed graduates to flood the nation and the doing must start NOW - don't you think so?
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written by Raja Petra, January 25, 2008 10:29:10
Hmm...we seem to have a serious security breach here. First we receive many complaints about postings getting deleted. Now we have this message below posted under my name. Really gota get to the bottom of this. Sorry guys and gals. Give us time to sort this one out.

written by Raja Petra, January 25, 2008 | 03:08:09

Listen here all of you. What the hell would you people know about writing? Enough of this rubbish challenging my views. Kalau tak suka you boleh keluear dari Malaysia-today. Annoying me until I want to hit you all to kingdom come
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written by teo siew chin, January 25, 2008 11:29:32
Shucks Yang Mulia - it means more headache for you smilies/cry.gif. Oh well, like they say - there's no rest for the wicked. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Raja Petra, January 25, 2008 12:05:38
Okay, this is the person who STOLE my ID and has been posting comments under ny name. Can one of you IT savvy guys help trace this guy.
INFO: Name: Raja Petra | Email: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it | URL: | Date: 2008-01-25 03:08:09 | IP: 60.50.198.112 |
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written by cruzeiro, January 25, 2008 13:53:54
Pete,
I love this!
(There's a ghost under the bed after all ....)

This is definitely a blessing in disguise!!!
Now they cannot charge us for defamation in court if we whack them personally!
We can always used the "Linggam defence" (ie "Looks like me .....")
BTW, I don't think the IP would matter (unless the thief is a total dickhead) - most prolly a proxy .... and the email - just one for convenience.

Anyway, with ghosts in the machine, The Linggam Defense does apply doesn't it!

(Labisman - just upgrade on security ....)
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written by cruzeiro, January 25, 2008 13:55:07
Don't get me wrong - I'm not happy that there's an intruder .....
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written by cruzeiro, January 25, 2008 13:59:57
TSC wrote:
So there you are - spoken like a true Minister (to-be)! But do you all see the one major difference? This one is ENTITLED to throw out rubbish becos he is a man of SUBSTANCE!
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You're are good spin-doctor lah ..... smilies/tongue.gif
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written by temenggong, January 25, 2008 17:05:54
Okay, this is the person who STOLE my ID and has been posting comments under ny name. Can one of you IT savvy guys help trace this guy.
INFO: Name: Raja Petra | Email: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it | URL: | Date: 2008-01-25 03:08:09 | IP: 60.50.198.112 |


This guy is in Kg. Baru, KL, near the old South East Asia hotel in a shophouse. I just saw his place from ******Earth.
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written by temenggong, January 25, 2008 17:06:26
We can go and get him now!

Wan?
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written by JJFoo, January 25, 2008 18:49:07
RPK, I have to disagree with you on this one, about blaming others for our misfortune. We have all the opportunities to build a greater Nation. We squandered all this readily available opportunities by being ignorant, arrogant, self-centered, complacent and also “blaming others” just like Dr.M blaming our 1997 financial crisis on one man, George Soros, what bull!!. Surprisingly many people believed it till this day. How about this “overindulgence over our good fortune” and forgot to count our good blessing. If a person indulges in heavy partying and late night on nightly basis, over the time, it needs not a bulldozer or a hurricane to bring that him down, he will collapse by your own self even in the most gentle breeze.

The people deserved the leaders they choose. Accepted that the playing field is unleveled, but wasn’t it our fault to allow this playing field to be even more unleveled as each election goes by.

Stop blaming others, the fault is with us (full stop!) By accepting our mistake will definitely open up revenues for ratification. Otherwise we could choose to remain a “cry baby” and keeping blaming others, same as our leaders and leaders of wayward countries always do, they are not all wrong, it’s the easiest way out for them but darn bloody stupid for us to buy it.
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written by temenggong, January 25, 2008 18:56:31
Okay, several IP addresses in that area seems to go to that location. Therefore it must be a server there or a relay station. We can locate the company and ask them to investigate the hacker.
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written by Panca Indera, January 25, 2008 19:54:31
Salam RPK,
Thank you for the Excellent Article.
Yes, the West is at fault because they voted for the governments that pursues their Neo- colonialists policies. E.g. Former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. Former World bank boss, now appointed chairman of arms-control advisory panel.(one of the neo-cons)
Look at former UK PM Tony Blair, now Envoy of the Quartet on the Middle East on behalf of the United Nations. The list can go on and on.
It is this imbedded pseudo Christian/jewish mentality the west have inculcated, i.e. Salvation through the God Jesus Christ. If you are not Christians, its their job to save you (So you will be saved, if you honestly say, Jesus is Lord, and if you believe with all your heart that God raised Him from death. God will accept you and save you, if you truly believe this. (Romans 10:9-10)

As the Judaism perception on the goyims/gentiles, everything is lawful if it is done to non jews. Ref Genesis 34:1-17, 24-31 ref: http://www.come-and-hear.com/s...elect.html

Failed states resulted from the above processed when injected by Pseudo Islamic leaders(ISLAM HADHARI included) who served their overseas masters(knowingly and unknowingly). The Mid-East States of KAS, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan and North African states of Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt are a fair reflection of the inability of Islamic states to truly to unit and represent the interest of Muslims world-wide like what the West is doing.
They can’t even agree to standardized the sighting of the new moon for Ramadhan and Eid, when the West had put man on Moon(present can be measured and calculated from the trajectory and orbit of the Moon.) OIC cannot even agree to use Mecca as the Muslim GMT, equivalent of Greenwich (GMT).
However in the final analysis, sooner or later the Truly Islamic system and state will prevail over all others, whether we like it or not (its just a matter of time) as promised by Allah Himself. Refers:
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YUSUFALI: Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked.
PICKTHAL: Allah hath promised such of you as believe and do good work that He will surely make them to succeed (the present rulers) in the earth even as He caused those who were before them to succeed (others); and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He hath approved for them, and will give them in exchange safety after their fear. They serve Me. They ascribe no thing as partner unto Me. Those who disbelieve henceforth, they are the miscreants.

Note: Time and again that the internal divisions and treachery are the biggest contributor to national failures.
Masalam
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written by teo siew chin, January 25, 2008 20:46:07
wow Temenggong - you're great! ******Earth eh? Scaryyyyyy. There's no where to run! no where to hide! ahhhhhhhh. I better go put on some clothes.
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written by monstercat, January 26, 2008 00:05:17
To Teo Siew Chin,

Don't forget to cover your head with an aluminum-foil cap - ala the movie Signs. Can help prevent temenggong from reading your mind smilies/grin.gif
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written by monstercat, January 26, 2008 00:06:49
Oh by the way Temenggong, great trick you got up your sleeves (compliment)!
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written by vineeth menon, January 26, 2008 07:23:31
Not sure if this will help..
but could try.. looks like home.tm.net.my
http://dns-tools.domaintools.c....112&m=dns
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written by vineeth menon, January 26, 2008 08:34:48
Hostname 112.198.50.60.cbj04-home.tm.net.my
City Jalan 1/4, Petaling Jaya
Latitude 3.0833
Longitude 101.65
check this link:- http://whatismyipaddress.com/s...up-results
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written by temenggong, January 26, 2008 10:55:59
siew chin and monstercat,

Just using an IP locater lah! No big deal.

Internet very very slow this whole week! Anyone know whats going on?
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written by salmon, January 26, 2008 12:11:42
There is a cold war among Malaysian between races, religions and now by wealth. Politically particularly in leadership, the ppl are led by actors, profiteers and railway gate keepers. In term of services, the RM12bil of double 'trap' railway will be another white elephant. The most needed places where triple track is needed, didn't get any at all. Wake up ABB!
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written by JohnQ, January 26, 2008 12:59:49
Very well written wisdom thoughts of RPK. This could be the PHD thesis material that our half past six copycat students use, as their guiding "professor" never read, leave alone writting new paapers. They will close one eye to pass every thesis submitted. Dont even dream they will analyse !
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written by Raja Petra, January 26, 2008 13:02:41
Dear JJFoo, who said anything about blaming others? The point I am trying to make is sort of like when I whack the Chinese who vote in BN and then scream about the 'Malay' government when the Malays voted opposition. Get it? Sure, our countries are failed states. We accept that. But failed states are kept in power by the West. Then the West whacks us because we are failed states. Isn't this not like the girl who is raped getting stoned to death for getting raped?
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written by cruzeiro, January 26, 2008 15:29:44
[5.54] O you who believe! whoever from among you turns back from his religion, then Allah will bring a people, He shall love them and they shall love Him, lowly before the believers, mighty against the unbelievers, they shall strive hard in Allah's way and shall not fear the censure of any censurer; this is Allah's Face, He gives it to whom He pleases, and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.

People! ever wondered who this is addressed to in this present day context?
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Let me guess ....
could it be the uneducated rage boys of the primitive nations and failed states of the world?
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written by Semuaok, January 27, 2008 00:57:27
RPK can you prove to us that the Chiness vote in the BN. If I'm not mistaken the Chinese is down below 20% and majority living in the city in Selangor, Penang, Perak & Melaka. The rest is either predominantly Malay except Sabah. A chance for you to prove to us Chinese one and for all you are right.
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written by Semuaok, January 27, 2008 01:37:18
MCA could not get elected if not because of the Malay. We Chinese hate MCA just as bad as you Malay hate UMNO. BN/UMNO is f**king with us all irregardless of whether you are Malay, Chinese, Kandazan or Indian. Malaysian need to grow up. A change of Chinese vote only, is not enough, we need a major overhaul of Malay vote. RPK to me you are barking the wrong tree.
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written by mara koman, January 27, 2008 08:20:41

GUYS THERE,,, SEE THE MOST EMBARASSING MOMENT IN THE TELEVISION. CNN inteview MR PM.

HOO.. I Can here you properly

Q. calling for early election, is it becos of Anwar.,, stupid asnwer, has to repeat the Q.

Evasive,, blast and turn to chicken chic

Q. OIC,, World islam org or something. Current issue of intl terrorism. Would malaysia reliaze their role. Answer,, stupid, unfound, out of focus and place. Smart arse,, leader for world islamic. They got their arse in the hot pan

Q. Indian rally. Answer is about poverty. Never touch abit about indian.

What a lie ,imcompetent as a leader. Malays come on. malaysia is definately a fail state

Cnn vidoe, see in the Hindraf.org
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written by kuan, January 27, 2008 08:57:36
If it to be, it is up to me.

We can continue to blame the westerners for leaving us or we can choose to excel. It is easy to point fingers at others and blame others for our failure but it is us who have to take responsibility for our own actions. Nagasaki and Hiroshima was destroyed when the Americans bombed them in 1945, and look where they are today? Japan is still an advanced country way ahead of us. And why is that so? Look at Singapore, they are also an Asian country that separated from Malaysia in 1965, look where they are today? They are well respected by the westerners. And we who gained independence since 1957, look at us! Still blaming the westerners for our failure? Shame on us!
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written by Raja Petra, January 27, 2008 09:34:00
Semuaok, jangan cakap banyak lah. Let us see what happens to Penang. Penang has 75% Chinese voters. Let's see who gets to form the government next election. No need for you to foam at the mouth like a dog with rabbies. And if even all the UMNO candidates in Penang get voted in then we know that the Chinese not only vote for MCA and Gerakan but UMNO as well.

By the way, in PJ, the votes in 'saluran 1' in the Chinese kotak undi mostly went to BN. What does that tell us? What proof you still want? Jangan jadi bodoh lah. Kalau sentuh Cina marah. Melayu semua salah. Cina semua betul.

Hey, in yesterday's anti-price increase demonstration where were the Chinese? Melayu dan India ramai. Cina mana lari? Underground kah? One veteran Chinese DAP member sent me a SMS cursing the Chinese. He cursed the Chinese, not me.
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written by temenggong, January 27, 2008 10:36:26
The Indians have killed the MIC. Its up to the chinese now with regard to MCA and Gerakan, without leaving even a trace that it existed.

After Hindraf I felt that it was the chinese community that was in trouble, as an ever looking question has been posed to them, so the pressure is on them. Now chinese have more things to worry about than just chewmeifan's 5/13.

I feel this is the last chance for the chinese to show where their loyalties lie; with the malay-chinese BN nexus, or, with the opposition rakyat - a non racial malay-indian nexus. If the opposition does not win in Penang I would think that would be the end of chinese schools in Malaysia as all sympathy would be lost.

If the MCA and Gerakan had any cow-sense they would wiseup and voluntarily lose their seats.

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written by Semuaok, January 27, 2008 11:37:44
RPK stop using your faulty believe or opinion to argue your point. You sound exactly like an iman now. Lets use the facts and past election number.
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Here is the link to Penang Election Result http://www.bnpenang.org.my/results.htm Since your observation is questionable. Let me narrow down a little for you. Look at who won when there is a 50% or more Malay voter and how bad the opposition lost. Than look at who won when there is 80% of Chinese, even when either MCA or Gerakan won they won by a slight majority, the opposition has a pretty good chance in Chinese majority area. Please look at the history and fact.

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written by Semuaok, January 27, 2008 11:49:42
RPK It's not the Indian why DAP lost, So please don't go there.
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written by renoir, January 27, 2008 16:03:29
RPK wrote:
> in PJ, the votes in 'saluran 1' in the Chinese kotak undi mostly went to BN.]]

The Chinese vote on the basis of class, not race, not abstract ideals. Since many PJ people are upper middle to upper class, they usually vote for the wealthy ruling class, which of course is largely comprised of UMNO/MCA and a few MIC representatives. These upperclass folks take care each another, irrespective of race - they give presents to one another during birthdays, New Years, and other occasions. They also play - mostly golf - together. Many Opposition supporters tend to underestimate the personal ties these wealthy people have (and hence their unity). By contrast, the Opposition - whether leaders or supporters - are well-known only for internal bickering, partly because many of them often assume they're better thinkers/purer revolutionaries than their colleagues. I try to disregard the so-called "iron law" of the oligarchy, but both history and contemporary events appear to confirm it. It's only under desperate circumstances that the poor would find common cause with their fellow sufferers, that they could realize that the upperclass is playing them for patsies.

LChuah
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written by alhadee, January 27, 2008 17:27:51
LChuah's "The Chinese vote on the basis of class, not race, not abstract ideals."


That is a very strange analysis, how do you justify thousands of upper middle class votes for one person? Did this one person dish out gifts for thousand of voters on the New Year's Eve?

If, say your assumption is correct, than the Chinese are guilty as hell in Malaysia's being a failed state. Being upper class Chinese and many are captain of the industries, they should be more aware of UMNO's corruption compare to the lower class Chinese, who are less successful and have less knowledge of the 'kow tim' procedure which has been going on for 50 years.

Yet these Chinese voted for BN.

If your assumption is correct, it proves that Chinese are people who care nothing about their country, and who are willingly go on supporting the corrupt and the tyrants, as long as their belly is full.

That explains why the Chinese's tradition is to greet people with "Have you eaten?" compare to Malay's "Apa khabar?". Enough food is first priority, other things are not in their list of consideration.
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written by Wudan, January 27, 2008 18:13:52
Hey, in yesterday's anti-price increase demonstration where were the Chinese?
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They were inside KLCC, merrily doing their Chinese New Year shopping.
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written by Semuaok, January 27, 2008 22:40:50
RPK please no isolated incident or state or single specially Chinese. You need to look at the whole picture. Not only you are confusing but dangerous to your reader.

1)Lchuah have a point, it's obvious that the rich Chinese vote BN, so there is no surprises.
2)There is no Chinese because Chinese learn self reliance long before UMNO/BN is around.
3)Malay demand for help all the time and would use what ever mean, including kris to get what they want.
4)Bodowi just said ****** just eye Malaysia ICT, """the reason geographical"""???????(we are in deep shit) And you! who I believe is smarter than this, listen to a single Chineseman.

Please be congruence & consistence and validate your point before you put it up there
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written by renoir, January 27, 2008 23:40:41
alhadee wrote:
>...how do you justify thousands of upper middle class votes for one person? Did this one person dish out gifts for thousand of voters on the New Year's Eve?]]

I can't catch what you're saying. Anyway, in any representative democracy you do vote for person(s). So the person repesents more than himself. Some people might vote for a PAS MP because he represents Muslims, both within and outside his party. Similarly, Chinese in the PJ area (that's the reference for my posting) might be voting for an MCA representative who represents an entire class of people that they prefer - the wealthy, ruling class. Once I had a dinner at Sunway Pyramid's Zen restaurant with some former students who were PJ residents, and a few from other places. I asked them about the previous PM, Dr.M. and the PJ group had nothing but praise. Another student, from a rural area (near Kapar), disagreed, but didn't say much as he was in a minority. The rest just shrugged their shoulders.

Zola once said you can know a man's ideology by his occupation, the way he lived and the company he kept. The writer was right: my PJ students were mostly millionaire CEOs - these were the ones who praised Dr.M (and the Selangor MB) to the skies. The rural-based student was somewhere in the lower middle class, and he was clearly for DAP. Those in-between - and offered no opinion - had income somewhere between the PJ group and the rural-based student.

>upper class Chinese ... should be more aware of UMNO's corruption compare to the lower class Chinese,...]]

Now most of my former students knew how this country operated, but felt they could do nothing about it. The rich ones - all except one - rationalized that on the whole we were not so corrupted as most other Asian countries, and that "corruption will also exist in every country." We know these are faulty assumptions, but that's the way they think.

One person, person, however, denied there was any corruption ("just different ways of doing things"), that I'd been listening to unproven tales, etc. Further, he suggested that the Oppositon, once they got into power, would probably be more corrupted. "It's only human," he said, "to be more greedy if you come from a poor background than from a rich background. The rich already knows what it's like to be rich. The poor don't, and can't wait to find out."

What about the ones between the rich and the rural-based student? They said they'd to accept the system if they want to survive as businesspeople. About paying certain people for licenses, contracts, etc. they said, "Just put it down as the cost of doing business."

>If your assumption is correct, it proves that Chinese are people who care nothing about their country, and who are willingly go on supporting the corrupt and the tyrants, as long as their belly is full.]]

1) the reference was specifically directed to RPK's comment on the Chinese at PJ. That's also why I mentioned "uppermiddle and upperclass" Chinese. You cannot generalize that to all Chinese (Semuaok noted this, good for him), 2) there're very few Chinese in Terengganu - why did BN got elected? Do the Malays care nothing for their country in their willingness to support corrupt and tyrannical people, so long as the bellies are full? Incidentally, in a world of poverty, that isn't such a bad idea - voting to keep bellies full.

>Chinese's tradition is to greet people with "Have you eaten?" compare to Malay's "Apa khabar?". Enough food is first priority, other things are not in their list of consideration. ]]

Regarding the Chinese "have you eaten": the custom began when the early Chinese empire - Han/Tang - expanded to the South. Now most of the northerners were troops, and they intermarried with southern women (who were like the modern Hokkiens and Cantonese). There was little the southern women could do except to provide bad food for their northern husbands. Sometimes they even went on strike, so the northern husbands often greeted one another with "Have you eaten?"

In Europe, because of the barbarian invasions, the Mediterranean peoples became taller with broader shoulders, and some even had blonde hair. In China, the southerners too became taller than their cousins in Vietnam, Laos, and other places, and generally fairer. Southerners today like to think they've gotten the better deal: they like being tall and fair, but wish to remain "smarter" than their northern "big potato" or "da fan shi" - meaning big and somewhat slow in the mind.

LChuah
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written by Benny, January 28, 2008 00:03:48
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written by harrbm, January 28, 2008 00:08:07
" There is no Chinese because Chinese learn self reliance long before UMNO/BN is around "

har har har har what a joke. As far as i know, they were hungry people then.i fed some of them myself. Do u want proof?

" Malay demand for help all the time and would use what ever mean, including kris to get what they want."

wow ! whats wrong with asking help? Once in a while, i do ask for help on behalf of my chinese friends.

whats the f''''''k is wrong with that? check your head dear Semuaok. its not all okay in it.

Please do respond in order for me to check your mentality. he he he

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written by Semuaok, January 28, 2008 00:11:42
RPK, I have simple experiment for you to prove that what we said is whole bunch of baloney.

Please ask your lovely wife YAB Ms. Marina why she convert to Islam?

Then ask her again:

1) If you were Christian will she convert?
2) If you were Jews will she convert?
3) If you were Chinese will she convert?
4) If you were atheist will she convert? Lastly
5) Tell if you are mama boy and mama said no to islam will she convert?

If she can give you the same answer every time. Than she is a true believe of Islam.
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written by alhadee, January 28, 2008 03:16:39
LChuah,
>there're very few Chinese in Terengganu - why did BN got elected? Do the Malays care nothing for their country in their willingness to support corrupt and tyrannical people, so long as the bellies are full?

That is irrelevant to my statement on Chinese earlier on. If the Malays are stupid, does that make Chinese smart?

The Terengganu people first voted in PAS because of Anwar's sentiment plus the internal bickering in the local UMNO plus they are disappointed at the slow and nothing to show leadership of Wan Mokhtar, although the state is rich due to its petroleum resources.

So why did they voted PAS out? You can put the blame on PAS, in terms of its administrative and leadership capabilities plus there a quite a number of arrogant PAS leaders in Terengganu. UMNO promised the Terengganu people that there will be a new line of dynamic leadership in Terengganu and the people will get their petroleum royalty back and with the combination of these two, Terengganu will be a developed state.

Couple the above promises with the Pak Lah's feel good factor and the success in highlighting the arrogance of PAS Terengganu's leadership, and the phantom voters, PAS is destined to lose. When the last election was just around the corner, almost everyone knows this but PAS's leadership are still dreaming. Hence it is a nail to the coffin for them.

So did the Terengganu Malays voted BN primarily because they want to fill up their bellies? No. Blame it on the local PAS's leadership. With these kind of leaders, the Terengganu Malays feel that they have nothing to lose if they voted for BN.

>>my PJ students were mostly millionaire CEOs - these were the ones who praised Dr.M (and the Selangor MB) to the skies. The rural-based student was somewhere in the lower middle class, and he was clearly for DAP

That shows that I am right. When the Chinese is rich, he will praise the government. No one complaint on being sidelined, or unfairly treated by the Bumiputera status or such. But when the Chinese is poor, he will blame it on the 'Malay' government and accused Malays as being stupid. Why don't he blame it on his own kind first? Blame it on the numerous towkays who kow tim with the 'Malay' government, blame it on the Ah Sai who kow tim with the Malay politicians.

Being a non Malay and a non Chinese, I find that all of these races are equally stupid, both in their own ways. Both of these races made up for at least 80% of the population and because of the stupidity, Malaysia is now a failed state.
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written by renoir, January 28, 2008 10:20:09
alhadee wrote:
LChuah,
>there're very few Chinese in Terengganu - why did BN got elected? Do the Malays care nothing for their country in their willingness to support corrupt and tyrannical people, so long as the bellies are full?

>That is irrelevant to my statement on Chinese earlier on. If the Malays are stupid, does that make Chinese smart? ]]

And who says anything about who's smart or stupid? Regarding my comments to your statement, they're highly relevant, for you assumed that people elect BN simply because, in your own words, they "care nothing about their country," and are willing to "go on supporting the corrupt and the tyrants, as long as their belly is full." And THEN,you give the reasons below why that isn't the case in Terengganu. Just as I gave reasons why the PJ constituency acted that way when they elected a BN representative. So in giving your reasons why BN won in Terengganu, you admitted that just because Malays voted BN, that need not "prove" that they're "people who care nothing about their country, and who are willingly go on supporting the corrupt and the tyrants, as long as their belly is full."

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>So did the Terengganu Malays voted BN primarily because they want to fill up their bellies? No.]]

Again, it's good that you're now able to see other reasons, other than filling up bellies (though that isn't a bad reason), for people to vote BN. The Chinese too, have other reasons, which arises out of their socio-economic reasons.

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>my PJ students were mostly millionaire CEOs - these were the ones who praised Dr.M (and the Selangor MB) to the skies. The rural-based student was somewhere in the lower middle class, and he was clearly for DAP

>That shows that I am right. When the Chinese is rich, he will praise the government. No one complaint on being sidelined, or unfairly treated by the Bumiputera status or such. But when the Chinese is poor, he will blame it on the 'Malay' government and accused Malays as being stupid. Why don't he blame it on his own kind first? Blame it on the numerous towkays who kow tim with the 'Malay' government, blame it on the Ah Sai who kow tim with the Malay politicians.]]

There you go again. I quoted Zola because his thinking reflected the sociological premise that people's beliefs are conditioned by their socio-economic situation. That DOES'NT leave out other factors such as a weak Opposition (the most obvious case would be if there'd been no Opposition on the ballot). But it DOES indicate that your job, your lifestyle (which involves, besides material well-being, the ideology you possess) has much to do with who you vote for.

>Being a non Malay and a non Chinese, I find that all of these races are equally stupid, both in their own ways.]]

No - they're the same as people all over the world. Remember this sociological fact: A PEOPLE'S BELIEFS IS BASED LARGELY ON THEIR SOCIO-ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. There're very few, indeed, who could rise above their background and act on the basis of pure, logical, thinking - the kind that's not influenced by their socio-economic conditions.

LChuah
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written by alhadee, January 28, 2008 12:20:30
LChuah, >> Just as I gave reasons why the PJ constituency acted that way when they elected a BN representative...

Ah, Your PJ residents' reasons and my Terengganu Malays' 'reasons' differ greatly.

In your own words 'The Chinese vote on the basis of class, not race, not abstract ideals. Since many PJ people are upper middle to upper class, they usually vote for the wealthy ruling class, which of course is largely comprised of UMNO/MCA and a few MIC representatives.'

Only in your recent postings did you mentioned 'The Chinese too, have other reasons, which arises out of their socio-economic reasons.'

So which is which? Terengganu Malays voted not on the basis of class but whether the future state government can do something good for the state. How is that equivalent to PJ resident votes on the basis of class? And who purposely ruin the country anyway?

Sure, the poor Terengganu people are being duped into voting BN, and you can call them stupid if you want to. But what words shall best describe the upper class PJ Chinese voters, who not only have better access to media but should be more intelligent and critical. Selfish? self centred? Or perhaps traitor is a better word to describe the Chinese?

>>Remember this sociological fact: A PEOPLE'S BELIEFS IS BASED LARGELY ON THEIR SOCIO-ECONOMIC CONDITIONS

No. To say it is a sociological fact is an overestimated praise for Zola's statement. PAS Terengganu leaders had been confident they will rule in Terengganu for a long time, just like their counterpart in Kelantan did. If that kind of stupid confidence did not exist back then, they probably had retained the state. How does this relate to your 'socio economics's vote' theory?
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written by renoir, January 28, 2008 13:01:21
alhadee wrote:
>Ah, Your PJ residents' reasons and my Terengganu Malays' 'reasons' differ greatly.]]

They certainly can differ and ought to differ, as their socio-economic conditions are different, though not as great as you might think. But the important thing is that there're reasons other than "not caring for one's country" and so on and so forth.

>In your own words 'The Chinese vote on the basis of class, not race, not abstract ideals. Since many PJ people are upper middle to upper class, they usually vote for the wealthy ruling class, which of course is largely comprised of UMNO/MCA and a few MIC representatives.' ]]

And reference to voting for their class are not manifestations of their socio-economic conditions???
Even after I noted their upper middle and upper class status?????

>So which is which? Terengganu Malays voted not on the basis of class but whether the future state government can do something good for the state. How is that equivalent to PJ resident votes on the basis of class? And who purposely ruin the country anyway?]]

Again, see above and also my original posting, in which I talked about the oligarchy looking after themselves. Obviously, THEY do not see that as wrong, for they believe that with all of BN's faults, it's still the party of development. WE can disagree, but that does not mean they must agree with us.
And again, if you'd read carefully what I said about socio-economic conditions, you would understand that the reasons must be different for voters of the two regions. But neither need to be classified as people who don't care about their country, etc., etc.

> But what words shall best describe the upper class PJ Chinese voters, who not only have better access to media but should be more intelligent and critical. Selfish? self centred? Or perhaps traitor is a better word to describe the Chinese? ]]

Traitor? Funnily, I'd hoped you say that, as it reveals your true colors.

>> To say it is a sociological fact is an overestimated praise for Zola's statement.]]

I don't want to insult you, but if you would read a little on socio-economic issues, you've realized that Zola was merely one of the many intellectuals who understood in this manner. It's the foundational belief not only of Marx, but also the Frankfurt School and Cultural Studies, of people like Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, Lukacs, Habermas, Stuart Hall, Bourdieu, Baudrillard, Lyotard, Gramsci, Althusser, Foucault, and so on and so forth.

> PAS Terengganu leaders had been confident they will rule in Terengganu for a long time, just like their counterpart in Kelantan did.]]

As I mentioned, while people's beliefs are basically grounded on their socio-economic base, that does not negate the influence of other factors when it comes to specific situations (I mentioned the exreme case of having no Opposition on the ballot, some forms of coercion, "phantom voters" and lack of info, etc. are also instances that would influence election outcomes).

Unless you learn to read properly, there's no reason to continue this discussion.

LChuah
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written by Rentap, January 28, 2008 14:24:18
written by DontPlayGod, January 22, 2008 | 22:58:36

[Malaysia, if not already a failed state, is fast joining the ranks of a failed state,..]

I know you can be funny at times, but show me how so?
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written by Pieter, January 28, 2008 17:27:58
I had intended to comment earlier, this goes back to the whole "white people are bad" discussion around January 22nd.

I think everyone is entitled to their prejudices but for the sake of rational discussion I think you should be able to put Western racism into perspective.

Let's take the Dutch colonisation of Indonesia. The Dutch did exploit Indonesia but I think the motives were profit, not race. Why? Because Dutch authorities also reacted harshly to their own people. During the Aceh wars, Dutch police also killed many socialists and communists in Dutch cities who were revolting and who were very poor. Dutch writers, notably Eduard Douwes Dekker (1820-1887) were very influential in changing Dutch public opinion on colonisation. Dekker's grandson later founded the 'Indies party' in 1912 to fight for Indonesian independence. Inter-marriage between Dutch and Indonesians was extensive and more than half a million people of mixed parentage left or were expelled from Indonesia after World War II. Several (white) Dutch soldiers sent to Indonesia to take it back after the war changed sides and supported the Indonesian side. Moreover, Indonesian not Dutch was the common language of the Netherlands-Indies and if you look at the 'Pasar Malam Besar', a large annual cultural event in The Hague and the strong Indonesian influence on Dutch cuisine (ketjap, nasi, babi pangang) you'd think that the Dutch were colonised by the Indonesians! So the simple "evil white person oppresses poor helpless Asian"-explanation does not hold.

I think you also cannot simply conclude that the British 'did a better job' in Malaysia. The outcome was more favourable, but there are huge differences between the two countries. Firstly, Malaysia had no national identity. It was basically an immigrant nation. Indonesia had plenty of identity and a long history of mighty kings (e.g. the Borobudur around 750-850), hence they were not inclined to accept Dutch rule after 1945. This meant independence was thrust upon Indonesia right away whereas Malaysia had a gradual British handover which culminated in independence in 1957. After that, the Malaysians basically kept the British capitalist system intact whereas Soekarno sought to dismantle it (with disasterous concequences). What the Dutch faced in Indonesia, the British faced in Burma, and we know how fabulously that ended.

But as long as you continue to think racially about politics (e.g. "the Chinese should have voted...") and continue to regard racial identity as more important than personal political aspirations Malaysia will be condemned to be a racialist democracy. And this racialist democracy has served the country well during the past 50 years only it cannot take the country further. And for all the evil the Dutch did in Indonesia, they did jump (and hump?) across the racial divide. I think you can only change so much of Malaysian politics through a blog or through the ballot box. Real change has to occur in the bedroom. Highly successful, proud, mixed-race Malaysians will bring down Barisan Nasional.
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written by alhadee, January 29, 2008 01:28:10
LChuah wrote: Traitor? Funnily, I'd hoped you say that, as it reveals your true colors

Does it? This is what I wrote 'Or perhaps traitor is a better word to describe the Chinese?'.Please do tell me how asking a question could reveal one true colors.You do sounds like one of those Imams now.

>>As I mentioned, while people's beliefs are basically grounded on their socio-economic base,

Alamak LChuah, compare between Kelantan and Terengganu where the socio economic factors are almost similar to a very high degree, how do you explain the different voting pattern?

That is why I blame PAS for that. Socio economic factor does not explains it. The answer lies in the alternative presented before them.

>>that does not negate the influence of other factors when it comes to specific situations

Save-my-ass statement?

>> I don't want to insult you, but if you would read a little on socio-economic issues, you've realized that Zola was merely one of the many intellectuals who understood in this manner.

You keep on harping on Zola but yet you could not show how it could be applied to the Terengganu voters, which is first quoted by you.

>>the foundational belief not only of Marx, but also the Frankfurt School and Cultural Studies, of people like Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, Lukacs, Habermas, Stuart Hall, Bourdieu, Baudrillard, Lyotard, Gramsci, Althusser, Foucault, and so on and so forth.

and

>>Unless you learn to read properly, there's no reason to continue this discussion.

This is funny. When Sisters in Islam issue a statement, the Imams responses usually would be 'they never learn Islam properly' and 'they should learn in depth the opinion of this and that scholars'

You really sound like on those Imams. And yes, I do agree with you. I consider it pointless to discuss anything with such Imams.
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written by alee, January 29, 2008 03:39:27
Election is imminent. We as Malaysian who love this country must do something to save this country from destruction by the corrupt politicians.

CAllING ALL READERS OF MT,let's use SMS to spread the education. We should take the important points from MT articles, condense them into SMS and send out chain SMS. We should have all all language versions. Encourage everyone to send to everyone else.

We must reach out to all Malaysians, especially the people in the kampongs and new villages !! Let's start today !! Election is imminent. We as Malaysian who love this country must do something to save this country from destruction by the corrupt politicians.

CAllING ALL READERS OF MT,let's use SMS to spread the education. We should take the important points from MT articles, condense them into SMS and send out chain SMS. We should have all all language versions. Encourage everyone to send to everyone else.

We must reach out to all Malaysians, especially the people in the kampongs and new villages !! Let's start today !! Can anyone start posting those SMS in MT so everyone can use ?
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written by mykeyboard, January 30, 2008 14:57:04
Something that I just want to share with you: Are you getting speeding tickets and other traffic offence summonses, backdated to as far back as 2003, like me? I'm very very upset that BN is using this strategy to get money from me to buy votes or in getting prepared to spend for this election. I've received 9 by registered post so far. Can I expect more to come?
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written by Me, January 30, 2008 21:13:42
What are the chinese doing? They are busy migrating to other countries! These days i realised that at least 80% of my friends are preparing for migration or already migrated. Even friends of my friends are leaving...
It's pretty clear a majority is voting with their feet.
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written by teo siew chin, January 31, 2008 16:05:53
errrr mykeyboard, 2 questions:
(1) why are you breaking so many traffic laws
(2) why are you not paying your summonses those years
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written by mykeyboard, January 31, 2008 18:58:44
Siew Chin,

Unexpectedly shot by speeding guns on north-south highway mostly la! smilies/shocked.gif
My complaint now is, why don't they send me the summons back then in 2003? Why wait until 5 years later to send these in? Government not enough money to spend on coming elections? Now only they realize they have to spend extra to ensure another win?
If the money is used for good purpose (like me buying booze for my close friends!) I don't mind! If they use to buy votes, that I cannot accept!
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written by teo siew chin, January 31, 2008 20:53:46
hmmmmm so mykeyboard, i reckon you're not gonna like how they're gonna spend YOUR money eh? soooo if they only now go after those who don't pay the summonses, don't you think it'll have a reverse effect as far as luvvv for the gomen is concerned? smilies/wink.gif
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written by Malas-yu, February 01, 2008 23:15:43
A man dies and goes to hell. There he finds that there is a different hell for each country.

He goes to the German hell and asks, 'What do they do here?'
He was told, 'First they put you in an electric chair for an hour. Then they lay you on a bed of nails for another hour. Then The German
devil comes in and beats you for the rest of the day.'

The man does not like the sound of that at all,so he moves on. He checks out the USA hell as well as the Russian hell and
many more. He discovers that they are all more or less the same as the German hell.

Then he comes to the Malay hell and finds that there is a long line of people waiting to get in.
Amazed, he asks, 'What do they do here?'

He told, 'First they put you in an electric chair for an hour. Then they lay you on a bed of nails for another hour.
Then the Malay devil comes in and beats you for the rest of the day.'
'But that is exactly the same as all the other hells - why are there so many people waiting to get in?'

"Because maintenance is so bad that :-

* the electric chair does not work,
* someone has stolen all the nails from the bed
* and the devil is a former Govt servant, so he comes in, signs the register and then goes to the canteen for the rest of the day" !

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written by JJFoo, February 02, 2008 11:43:31
Dear RPK, Thanks for your comment on 26/01/08 in response to what I commented.

I have great admiration for your guts and your fearless commitment in trying to upholding the sense of righteousness irregardless of class, creed and race (very rare breed in Malaysia nowadays).

What I am trying to say is quite simple and is in direct agreement to what you have written in your latest article “Why I kick ass”. We all, the Malay, Chinese, Indian and all the other races are directly responsible for the situation our country is in at this moment.

Unless we accept this fact, we will always keep on blaming each other (including foreigners) while the situation keep on deteriorating. The sooner we realise this fact, the sooner we will be able to ask ourselves constructively “what should we do?” based on this fact.

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written by tcng, February 06, 2008 11:18:58
Western Europe are defintely more advance than most Asia countries, in practically all aspects. Not because their people's IQs are higher. The reason is the industrial revolution had widen the gap between them and rest of world. Japan emulated them in mid 1800 and they caught up with the WHITE. 500-1000 years ago, China and India were more advanced than the west. Even Mohamed said that one may have to go as far as China to acquire knowledge.
My point is this : One day China, India, Korea even Vietnam, Thailand may catch up with the so called 1st world.
However, I don't think any Islamic State or even countries with Muslim majority would ever catch up, for as long as they continue to be 'obsessed' with Islam/Halal/Haram/sexes segregation etc etc etc...
In short, Islam is the problem... it is a hindrance to progress...
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