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PROBLEMS AMONG INDIANS IN MALAYSIA – ON A GENERAL PERSPECTIVE PDF Print
Saturday, 06 December 2008 15:32

NOW ARE INDIANS POOR or they wished to remain poor!

Indians in Malaysia is different in social distribution in comparison to Indians in India. In India, they are geographically segregated yet they live as Indians (this may or may not be true, but the large population is united by means of sports i.e – Cricket ); whereas in Malaysia; We have people for the Tamil speaking community, the Telegu speaking community, the Malayalam speaking community and then we have the Punjabi’s, the Bengalli’s, theSri Lankan’s, the Sikh’s and a few others and yet we are all Malaysians but different Malaysians; together but not altogether, I am I and You are You, We are We and They are They…that’s what we are all about; divided with absolute diversity; divided by social beliefs, economic classes, political beliefs, marginalization and other factors.

Indians of all age group is faced with Social, Economical and Political Frame uncertainties.
They are poor in terms of health, wealth and leadership. A large group of them are suffering from diabetes, chronic heart problems, liver problems and kidney related problems cancer and other due to factors induce by lifestyle. I believe that not many of them are involved or related with STD due to their rich cultural heritage which is gradually eroding. The problems with Indians in Malaysia (The term Indians as of Indians in Malaysia is widely referred to the Poor Indian Malaysians – who are poor economically – wealth; culturally, socially and poor physically –health) is not an origin due to differentiated Income pattern: it’s a Social problem among Indians in Malaysia therefore high income earners and low income earners is not a point of measurement as per my view.

The problems with Indians in Malaysia is not due to diversity in Indian language like Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, or any other languages, but the problems among Indians is mainly due to poor social, cultural and academic cultivation among parents. Example: about 30 years ago, a standard four Indian student may know who is Abraham Lincon, Alexender the Great, Marco Polo, Parameswara etc but today; if you were to ask any of the current year 2008 Indian students in standard four – who these guys are – the definite answer is “don’t know”; comparatively asked them who is Nayantara, Ajit, Rajinikanth etc – they will know. Now – what is the problem here; where have parents gone wrong, where has the society gone wrong, where have our leaders gone wrong or are all plain ignorant.

Are we Indians Poor in wealth that we are unable to fund our Tamil schools’?

Now that the Thaipusam, let us look at some scenarios on what happens during a one day festival
As usual millions of coconuts will be smashed on the roadside, let us dwell into the matter. One family might smash 108 coconuts and another family may smash 1008 coconuts. Assuming 250 individuals smashing 108 and another 250 individuals smashing 1008 coconuts; the total smashed coconuts will be 279000. In actual fact the 500 individuals may need only to break only 500 coconuts, the variance will be 278500, and if each coconut is priced at RM1.50, the total loss is about RM 417,750. If we were to multiply the scenario to 20 temples throughout Malaysia, where the celebration is grand in scale – the total loss RM 8.355 Million.

NOW ARE INDIANS POOR or they wished to remain poor!

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written by The dragonheart, December 06, 2008 16:03:38
When comes to religion rituals, who are we the non Hindus to comment? If they need to break 100 coconuts and burn boxes of camphor during the temple festivals,...are their choice... We cannot tell them what is right and what is wrong.

But if Indians construct temples on public or at any roadside without a grant, that is obviously not right.

If Indian youths have more reason to consume alcohol in abundance per night and their religion says ok, who are we to say it is wrong... BUT if they get drunk and disturb the public or destroy public properties, then legal action must be taken against them.

If there are Indians who are purposely being neglected and they becomes poor, this is the fault of the MP and also the government of the day.

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written by Cash Money, December 06, 2008 16:11:25
What a load of crap.Go ask MIC what they did with the membership collection or better still, do the maths for up till todate MIC has collected from its members.Ask MIC how they invested membership money till todate. When you are marginalised without shame, in your country of birth by the so called optimist who champion your course what do you expect.
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written by ssathia, December 06, 2008 16:19:38
Another example of pseudo-intellectualism. No facts, no coherant arguments, and shooting from the hip, in rotten English.
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written by HamChak, December 06, 2008 16:24:20
Who says Indian are Poor?
Look la at Mahathir and family, lor
Multi Billionaires mah.
Look at SemiValue and family, also
Properties everywhere also. Some in Australia also
Look at all those AnehNeh Ministers and Deputies and Cronies,
They poor ahhh?
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written by HamChak, December 06, 2008 16:28:00
Aiya, where la Indians are poor?
Look at Latuk LingamSos, he poor ahh?
Koret, koret, koret, he is NOT poor.
Can buy you and me also, la.
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written by New Malaysian, December 06, 2008 16:39:29
I am forced to comment that I am in total agreement with ssathia. This is such a hollow article - and yes, in such rotten language, I could grit my teeth only for so long. Never got to read it to the end.

Moderators and editors of MT, come onlah, do your bit.......

New Malaysian
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written by indianputra, December 06, 2008 16:44:17
The HINDRAF has shown a way for Indians to prosper in Malaysia. Very many Indian leaders who are not politicians have advised Indians how to move forward. and yet, our poor majority of Malaysian Indians just do not have the capcity and capability to do good in Malaysia. The MIC must go. Another Indian party with professional leadership must take over the Indian leadership of Malaysian Indians.

Any volunteers?
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written by temenggong, December 06, 2008 17:12:06
We cannot look at a document when the premise is not backed by any statistics. To speak on religious matters, one must quote some sutra, or leave it to those who know. Anyway I do not wish to discourage new writers.
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written by ahmadneil, December 06, 2008 17:23:12
Ya,lah! Indian money changer are all superrich and don't forget the Indians who bath Najis and Roastmah with milk.They are all so rich.And also you see this Bala,just overnight,he got 3 million to reverse the SD.And that Indian Carpet Man who is the bagman of Roastmah.He is paid just to run around for Roastmah,basically paying people to shut up or tell lies.What about Nala? You see all these Indians, how they live and their lifestyle.Goosh!
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written by KTRaj, December 06, 2008 17:47:10
Who says Indian are poor ??? The top 10 richest men in the WORLD, 5 of them are INDIAN. but not from Malaysia's Indian.
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written by ylcc, December 06, 2008 17:53:38
Hi The dragonheart ... I am glad to see that lately your votes are pointing more to the north with your sensible comments. Bravo!
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written by ylcc, December 06, 2008 17:55:57
KTRaj, when the Indians are rich, they are very very rich. When they are poor, they are really poor. I noticed that when I was touring Rajasthan. In Malaysia, isn't Samy Vellu rich?
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written by DreamLady, December 06, 2008 17:59:51
To be on the safe side, we shall discuss any issue including coconut breaking ritual with an open mind, and if anyone of you is offended by what I am going to narrate, please I beg to be forgiven.....

Our writer focused on the extent of wastage caused by the breaking coconut rituals during festive season, and the effect it has over the poor Indian community.

To me, the assumption is biased and untrue. Many poor Malays, and Chinese do 'spend' irrationally too during their festive seasons, i.e. the malay wedding that usually causes a dent in someone's bank account, the indulgence of excessive food and clothing during both hari raya, the kenduri of all sorts (you name it). As for the chinese, the dead spends more than those who are alive, the expensive coffins, the burning of josssticks, paper money, paper houses, papers cars, the burial ground that costs heaps of ringgit etc...
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written by DreamLady, December 06, 2008 18:07:28
......The chinese spend an average of $100 ringgit each family on fire-crackers to celebrate chinese new year, the excessive amount of food piled up on the table, the countless ang-pows given out....

Of course when we add up the amoung spent by a single family times 27 million people across the nation, the ' wasted money' would scare the wit out of anyone of us!!!
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written by DreamLady, December 06, 2008 18:17:29
.........but..

Let's look at the situation from another angle that might mellow down the increasing heart-beats of those who fail to fathom the impact of celebration it has on each poor individual, when each race celebrates its ceremonous festive season with so much joy, delicious delight, and happiness........

Those concerned deserved some good time to reward themselves at the end of a long, working year. Dollars and cents could not spark off the contentment each member of the family feels except with the festive air they inhale deeply,, to salvage the infectious flow of joy that spreads over them overwhelmingly..such is the magical moment when one feels the whole world is just incredibly beautiful !!
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written by cruzeiro, December 06, 2008 18:18:27
What a fantastic job at spinning, and pinning the blame on the general public!!!
Fantastic, Shiva!!

For all the crap about the amount of cash that can be saved and channeled to the Tamil schools that you calculated, you failed to articulate why exactly that Tamil schools fail academically - oh sorry - of course, it is the fault of the lack of funding, parents and society ....

You somehow fail to understand that the non-Tamilians have no interest whatsoever in the shameful state of Tamil schools. Nor are they interested in learning the language (beyond communicational necessity) which doesn't have any economic value ....

You fail to to say why Tamil gets you nowhere economically, Shiva!!!
Shame on you!
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written by cruzeiro, December 06, 2008 18:24:58
tokbahaman,
I feel sorry for you - you seem to equate being Indian to speaking Tamil!!

Get an education, mate!
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written by DreamLady, December 06, 2008 18:46:24
.......indirectly, the feeling of happiness and hope shall spur them further to create another delightful festival for the next round !!

Please, my dear writer, do not make sweeping statement in order to bury the truth.

The poor Indians, the poor malays, the poor chinese do not mind at all to fork out their hard earned money to celebrate their festive seasons, because it makes them happy and certainly the well-deserving good time should be accorded to them, for once a blue moon is needed to disperse whatever blues they have accumulated within the 365 days....

My dear writer, is it too much to request some happy time for oneself ???
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written by shan, December 06, 2008 19:10:18
Coconut to the hindu signifies abundance, in the sense that inside the hard shell,there is the water and the white meat that can be onverted to oil and allso the source of growth of a new palm is aso inside it.It also signifies purity of the heart because o the wettness and whiteness inside the hard shell.
But todays local "rich"indian hindus of Malaysia try to show of their wealth by breaking huge quantities of coconut.You can break 1 cocnut and that's all required by religion, but 1008,or 10008, is only done by desperados or conman with mundane belief.
If its hard earned money, people will think twice when breaking 10,008 cocnuts, but the thoughts are different if that is money you just conned someone off..
I know a conman,who break 10,008 coconuts infront of his house each time a chariot goes on procession,.He doesn't work,no bussiness only gambles,and the stupid indian old men give him all their life saving,because he claims that he is pious and is a sucessfull bussinessman. You ask him to read what I have writen and he will blink,because,the only thing he knows is con and he wins over the hearts of the indians by throwing their own money on the streets,.This conman lives in PJ and almost all the elders in that town know him as they have been hoodwinked by him.
So the indians in this country are rich,but some are very stupid,because of the mundane belief,which leads to the emergence of these conman.,.SO YOU SEE RELIGION AGAIN SPROUTS EVIL,and as long as there are people wanting to be robbed of their money by their mundane belief,live will remain as it is today.
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written by sonofmalaysia, December 06, 2008 19:59:49
The tragedy of Malaysian Indians is that they elected a leader who cheated them for decades, a leader who was not very capable nor morally upright, who was corrupted and bought over by the evil man, this leader later bought over more Indians to help him to fool and swindle the larger Indian Community.

The Indians, being a minority, have the misfortune of also not having a real leader to lead them and to take care of their community interest. The triple misfortune suffered by Indians was that this country was run by a dominant racist political party and government, UMNO, where helping other community is just simply against their nature and priciples. So, Indians community, headless and worst misled, spiral downwards.

Had there been a Lee Kuan Yew in Malysia, Indians would not have been this sad situation, all Malaysians would have been 100 times better !!

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written by picadilly, December 06, 2008 20:42:32
dont just talk do something!!!!!
If you are an Indian drinking at Bangsar Pub and talking cock about Indians at estate drinking samsu then F**k off!

read this article :http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2002/1c.html
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written by picadilly, December 06, 2008 20:43:28
Read this sequel.

Barisan Shit has allowed this to happen for 50 years with samy shithead approval.50 bloody years in malaysia without electricity or Water!

http://www.aliran.com/oldsite/monthly/2002/5a.html
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written by Steven Tan, December 06, 2008 21:48:48
Correct the current EDUCATION SYSTEM, slowly everthing will change POSITIVELY. Once they are well educated, they will be able to change their FINANCIAL LEVEL and that's including the life style and etc.
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written by kavidibaku, December 06, 2008 22:10:02
Dear writer,
Your knowledge about indians may be partially true but i suggest that you should deepen your knowledge about hinduism if you still consider yourself as a hindu. Do not irritate hindus by posting such seditious articles.
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written by anakmalaysia777, December 07, 2008 00:24:58
Although the quality of the article could have been better, it does pose some interesting questions. It appears that the author is asking the following questions in a rather cynical or satirical way: IF THE MALYASIAN INDIANS WHO ARE PREDOMINATLY OF THE HINDU RELIGION ARE POOR, SHOULD THEY BE SPENDING SO MUCH OF THEIR MONEY ON THEIR RELIGION AND ALSO ON MOVIES INSTEAD OF TAMIL SCHOOLS.

The above is a fair question indeed and all Malaysian Indians (MIs) consider the issues surrounding this question carefully.

When considering expenditure, we need to take into account not only the money spend directly spent on these two activities, but also the time and effort each one puts into it.

There are probably far more poor MIs rather than rich ones. Ironically, it is probably the poor MIs that spend most on religion and movies..

The author is not dismissing religion or movies as such. The author did not question the wisdom of spending money on religion or movies. It appears that all he is saying is that – WHY WOULD THE INDIANS NOT CONSIDER SPENDING LESS (INSTEAD OF A THOUSAND COCONUTS ONE WOULD SUFFICE) ON RELGION AND USE THE BALANCE TO ADVANCE TAMIL SCHOOLS AND CHILDREN INSTEAD. WHY GO WITH A BEGGING BOWL TO THE GOVERNMENT.

This is a very valid argument for consideration because it is said that Lord Ganesha and Lord Murugan will be more than happy and satisfied if we offer one coconut or a simple flower with all our hearts and devotion. The alternative raises a difficult question. If we think that more is better than the question arises - would 10% or 50% of all income be sufficient.

Religion, particularly so our Hindu Religions, are so very personal and each individual should make their own choice. However, the leaders in the religious organizations and temples have to help people make those decisions. Would it be better to have a small temple attended by a large number of well educated people or a large temple with a lot of half educated people whose only reason for attending the temple or spending money on religion is because is that the other person is doing it. We also have many hundreds or thousands of temples that are not well maintained or run.

On the other hand, the leadership has also not demonstrated how we can collectively amass a lot of money and resources for the betterment and development of the MIs. MAICA and NLFCS are clear examples of how the leadership has failed.

So, can we do something better than write in this column? Yes, we can. Young people need to rise up, join all the MI organizations and ask all these questions so that people would start thinking and behaving differently.
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written by guns head, December 07, 2008 01:20:13
super admin,

thank you for posting this article

i agree with the author of this article.

thanks to Shiva and super admin

I think 89% super admin must be non-indian or perhaps 11% indian with conscience to alert other indians.
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written by YARRACUDA, December 07, 2008 01:48:51
allo siva..thanks for refreshing my head on this coconut breaking ceremony....ill cancel my purchase of 1008 coconuts to break this thaipusam...but im changing my vow....how about a single coconut....right on top of your head!!!
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written by born2reign, December 07, 2008 04:43:00
Thanks Shiva for yr insight. You just showed how religion can be "for show" and yet judging by the comments, they will continue to fight to keep tradition and religious activities.
Some commentators acted like the Sh*t Hamid regime, focusing on RPK insulting Islam, when he is actually criticising the bogus Muslims.

The secret of getting wealthy honestly is right in between our 2 ears. Our mind determines what we hear. Do you consider an investor wise if he pays 3 times the quoted price for an investment? Fool? Then that's 90% of housebuyers.

Why do 90% of people all over the world believe in "my house is my asset" and get into debts to live in a house that the banks own (actually)? So if the house costs RM200k, they end up paying RM400k in interest alone by the end of their mortgage. So who's the one getting rich? Definitely not the one paying 3 times for his house while some prefer to buy at discount. Eg. people like YTL Tan Sri Francis have so much to buy up cheap assets while the market is down?

Consumerism teaches us to Play now Pay later, while Investment is Pay now Play later. If you want to learn a new skill like computing, you have to pay to learn this new skill. If you want to learn financial smarts, then sign up to learn. And you need to sacrifice something in your life, either time or money since these are the biggest resources for everyone.

In summary, the law of prosperity is like:
a man traveling to a far country, called his own servants and to one he gave 5 talents, to another 2, and to another 1, each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey. Then he who had received the 5 talents went and traded with them, and made another 5 talents. And likewise he who [had received] 2 gained 2 more also. But he who had received 1 went and dug in the ground, and hid his lord's money. When the master of those servants came home and settled accounts with them. His lord said to the servants who multiplied his talents, 'Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.' Then he who had received the 1 talent came, but his lord answered and said to him, 'You wicked and lazy servant, take the talent from him, and give [it] to him who has 10 talents.'
'For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 'And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth (sorrow and despair).' - Matthew 25:15-30


Go read up Robert Kiyosaki, Warren Buffet, Millionaire Next Door, Secrets of a Millionaire Mind, and you will find why some started out broke but became wealthy, will some gets poorer. If your community is poor then you should seek a wealthier community. Oh, and forget about politicians, BN, UMNO, PAS, PKR...by the time they come around you and I will starve to death. Whether Indian, Chinese or Malays, we must depend on ourselves for financial wealth.

And another tip, help only those who wants to help themselves, because many love the wilderness.
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written by ylcc, December 07, 2008 06:18:05
Looking through the comments:
tokbahaman, I have many Indian friends who are professionals. They speak excellent English (I think they have a natural flair for Engllish), which is why most of them end up as lawyers! Thinking of it, I am not sure I have come across one who is a Christian. I have attended their Diwali open house, and they are certainly hindus to me.
sonofmalaysia, now that you have drawn our attention to Singapore, I do not see many poor Indians there! Initially, the Singapore govt. concentrated more on the welfare of the Malays to bring them up at par with the other races. I cannot remember any policy in place to help the Indians, except for the poorer ones.
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written by mawi, December 07, 2008 08:37:20
Just yesterday, I was at SAJMC to see someone who had an appendicitis operation and as I walk along the way to the lift I saw quite a number of Indian families doing their medical affairs there. There was also a visible numbers of Indian staff. Ironically, in spite of having so many Indians around, I could not hear a word of tamil spoken. Every Indian I met speaks English and I even dare to bet with one wife that the next Indian that we came across, if they converse in Tamil, lunch will be on me. She bet me three lunches.lo amd behold, she had three free lunches on me. Ironically, the Chinese and the Malays were clearly visible with thier mother tongue.Hemh!. I wonder why?
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written by lokenpal, December 07, 2008 08:56:05
Want to be poor? What a stupid question, really. Ok blame the indians, perhaps the tamil; like me. For high alcoholism and crime rates in Malaysia.

Listen, the Indians are a very small percentage of Malaysian population and we are not monolithic. One one hand, u have accomplished doctors and the other ruthless killers.

The article on language is interesting. The coconuts sounded funny but untrue. Mostly, one coconut per person. lol.
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written by lokenpal, December 07, 2008 09:06:32
>>dragonheart>> if they need to break 100 coconuts and burn boxes of camphor during the temple festivals,...are their choice... We cannot tell them what is right and what is wrong.

Actually its only one coconut per person. The God effect is the same no matter how many coconut. Sometimes if you very poor, u drink the coconut water first..like make a tiny hole. Sometime if u v.v poor one coconut per family per year...lol
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written by sonofmalaysia, December 07, 2008 10:52:19
ylcc,

Indians in Singapore do not need special help from the Singapore government, all they need is a level playing field, meritocry, no discrimination etc. This is exactly what they got in Singapore, and Indians shine in Singapore and they are highly respected. THe DPM, miniter of Law, Minister of education, minister for finance and many very important government departments and ministries are headed by Indians. In fact, their achievement far exceeding the population proportion. They are punching far above their weight in Singapore. Lee Kuan Yew is prabably the smartest and the most honourable and honest leader of the world today, the fact that so many Indians were approved by him said a lot about Indian capability.

Tragically, Indians are crippled by the racist UMNO govenment, aided by Semi Value and the his gang. This traitor will never be able to pay back his wrong doing to his own kind even in one thousand years !!


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written by ylcc, December 07, 2008 11:37:46
Absolutely agree with you sonofmalaysia. The policy of special help to the Malays no longer exists. The Malays are now successful in their own rights. They can hold their ground against the others now. Can you imagine RPK, Haris Ibrahim, Dr. Azly Rahman, Zaid Ibrahim, etc. as a force? That is how far the Malays have progressed in Singapore! LKY had kept his words when he vowed he would compete with UMNO to look after the Malays.
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written by fairnessforall, December 07, 2008 13:46:45
I fail to see the connection between tamil schools and indians being successful. Although I do agree with shiva on some points, I do not agree with some other points he has made. Firstly he states about satelite TV (astro). he ask indians not to have it and save RM60. How does that make an indian successful. As we know everyone needs some form of entertainment. If he is asking the indians to do away with all forms of luxury or comfort, then that still keeps them poor with only the bare necesities. I dont see the chinese or malays doing away with astro or with celebrating festivals etc. I will not touch on the subject of religion, although I am an indian, I think that is very personal. If someone feels he need to break so many coconuts, thats his wish.

What we are talking about is the indians being at par with the others. Sometime ago in a yahoo group I wrote an article on how important it is for indians to master the english language, and the result was many narrow minded indians started arguing on the inportance of tamil and tamil schools. That the problem with the indian mentality. You cant run away from the facts, english is an important and international language and if you want to succeed, it is one of the issues that would help. Fact is tamil or any other regional language is not going to help you move with the rest of the world. You can keep harping about tamil language but at the end of the day, if you cant speak english, no one would hire you. Now Im not saying that being able to speak english is a sure fire way of being hired, but its a plus point. Look at the malay graduates today, no one wants to hire them because they cant speak english. Of course I blame the goverment for this, as they were harping on ketuanan melayu and the malay language, so much so these low quality graduates did not think that its important to master the english language.

Going back to the status of indians in Malaysia. Fact is despite indians being hard working and intelligent, the problem lies in not being given any opportunities. While foreign companies may employ indians based on their experience and know how, malaysian companies would rather employ a malay or chinese and give them a higher salary even if there are indians who are more experienced and better. These companies would only consider giving low positions such as clerk, receptionist, office to indians, senior executives and manager positions are usually given to malays or chinese even if the indian who applies is better.

So I guess the point Im trying to make is that, yes malaysian indians are marginalized and not given opportunities although they may be more capable than others. Companies should change their procedure and employ the best irrespective of race or religion and not based on colour of ones skin. All indians need are opportunities and Im sure they will succeed, not just in jobs, but also in education.

Cutting down on breaking coconuts, or lighting camphors or cancelling their astro subscribtion is not going to make them rich or successful. Its only going to just let them be able to live with the bare necessities.
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written by JIVJAGO, December 07, 2008 14:06:15
Everyone 'seems' to claim they believe in god but the reality is it is just a mere sentiment whc drives them to accept what is norm rather than accepting the real philosophy behind it.

'Religion without philosophy is a mere sentiment'.

Everything that is happening already predestined.What is destined to happen will happen.

So what shud we do about it??

Use your senses,mind and intelligence to understand the history n the vast knowledge given by the creator in different time and place.

Instead of trying to prove ones own religion is greater than the other
it is much better to accept owns own capability and follow the religion that best suits him.

That is the idea n purpose of having different type of religion to cater
for different level of human.

You cant practice Hinduism in mid-east bcoz you need to be a vegetarian,
neither can you expect the arabs to be celibate when they are living a barbarian live..

JIVJAGO



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written by Steven Tan, December 07, 2008 14:14:35
Dear fairnessforall,

There was one previous article in MT with the title "MALAYSIAN INDIANS AND REASON OF THEIR PROBLEMS". If I'm not mitaken, it was publised on 03.12.08 . May be you should view it and see whether can agree with the writer or not.

As for me, I think I agree with the facts that the writer try to highlight.

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written by Mik, December 07, 2008 14:31:58
Shiva, u see by the comments, that the indians are not ready for your kind of view. As our saints advised us, knowledge is to be asked, not given. U see what happens when u give them something they are not ready for? They started criticising your English rather than absorb and contemplate on what you have written. SOME Indians,i think prefers to sit in their pits feeling sorry for themselves and asking, no begging for help.
Hindus believe that if they break coconut and burn camphor, God will bestow them wealth and health. They do not know that breaking coconut or burning camphor are only symbolization.
I wrote these once on Hindraf page and on malaysia today. Im writing this again. I would like to relate to an incident. As we all know, some Tamils Schools are Jenis Kebangsaan(bantuan modal).This happened in one tamil school up north. They needed a new building because the existing building could not accommodate the influx of students attending. After some discussion with the headmasters and PIBG, they started a project, to raise fund to build a temporary structure until our samivello fullfil his promise to build a new building. The project was a monthly payment of RM5 a month from all the indian households in the area. The PIBG members volunteered to go house to house and collect fund. IF THIS IS A CHINESE SCHOOL, THEY WILL ONLY HAS TO THROW A DINNER TO RAISE THE FUND AND EVERY ONE IN CHINESE COMMUNITY WILL BE WILLING TO HELP. But sadly this is an INDIAN community and these ppl love to ask questions for dat rm5. While it cost them less than a box of cigarette or a bottle of thai song (those drinkers should know wat tat is) or equal to a box of camphor, for them to donate the RM5 a month is such a heavy burden. One even mentioned to the PIBG head "u are rich, why don't u contribute for the whole expense?) Now, for some who pointed out why these the above article does not relate to tamil schools, here, i m relating it. See HOW INDIAN COMMUNITY THINKS ANd ask yourselves why you are where u are now. Its not because of the government. It is because of u . If u think u are treated bad, try reading on the CHINESE IN NEW ZEALAND. and Shiva, yes, we do not command good english but at least, we think straight. To those HINDUS who love to beg the government or complain that they are treated unfairly.. pls go n read Gita, the holy scripture. U will find it says "lift yourself by yourself". Ho yeah,those who wants to comment on my english, go ahead. as if i care.
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written by ylcc, December 07, 2008 15:16:52
I think Shiva has done well in expressing himself in such a long article. He is no intellectual, and is just an ordinary "man-in-the-street" like you and I. To err is human. I also think he is very brave to put up the article. I am not that brave nor shall I ever dare to put up an article of my own. Ouch ... when you get all the bruises from MT readers! So Mik, please don't worry.
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written by maran08, December 07, 2008 15:56:12
No time to complaint people, let us make a change, i am my home town in Johor we amoung our Indians friend sponsoring some fund for the student tuition fee. Let all the Indian do some contribution to our community.
FOR INDIAN BY INDIAN.
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written by dassky2000, December 07, 2008 20:32:53
Itu gomen mau kasi orang india peluang berkerja dalam oginasasi kerajaan lah. Semua kerja kasi orang melayu saja, itu lah orang india meskin. Kasi orang india amanah saham lah. Kasi discount beli rumah untuk orang india lah.

Memang telah di ketepikan itu orang india, itu lah mereka meskin. Jangan campur itu indian BN.
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written by Shiva, December 08, 2008 00:24:19
friends, this is shiva - i wrote the article.
i wanted to highlight on a few things that our society need to change to adapt to times.
briefly, below are some of the ambiguities or vague ideas i wish to highlight.
1.i did not ask families or individuals to stop breaking coconuts but to be wise - but its true indeed there are a few who got the wrong picture.
2.i did not ask families or individuals to stop drinking but to drink wisely - but its true indeed there are a few who got the wrong picture.
3.i did not ask families or individuals to stop cable tv connections, what i requested is to put aside RM60 a family and channel it collectively -

i am very sorry - that my poor command of english may have mislead some to various other ideas, including being seditious - the question is - is the society ready to take on grassroot changes within every family for a better outcome of the society.

thanks
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written by LFLee, December 08, 2008 04:54:49
It reads well and the calculation looks okay.

However, it is like saying "there will be no poverty
in Malaysia if all of us who is capable donate
a dollar to those who need it" - If each and every
Malaysian donate a dollar, we would have RM24,821,286
to solve the poverty problem...

Sound impressive but you and I know it is impossible. smilies/grin.gif

Another example, if each Chinese donate RMB 1 to the
Earth Quake victims, they would have RMB 1,321,851,888
for the victim - so we really don't need to donate anymore.
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