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Friday, 28 November 2008 18:31

Fellow Citizens,

Over the last few days, I witnessed much verbal battles online and elsewhere where some non-Muslims took potshots at the fatwa's and Muslims telling them to butt out as it does not concern them, many political leaders came out saying that the non-Muslims should not be concerned as it does not affect them.

Some even chastised Terence Fernandez of The Sun for giving his views , which in my opinion were very pragmatic and non-confrontational.

 I abstained from posting a single opinion as I am neither Muslim nor a Yoga practitioner, but as a citizen living in a multiracial multireligious country I realize that it is not so easy compartmentalize these issues. 

My understanding is that a fatwa is an Islamic religious ruling, a scholarly opinion on a matter of Islamic law.( please correct me if I am wrong) people who pronounce these rulings are supposed to be knowledgeable, and base their rulings in knowledge and wisdom. They need to supply the evidence from Islamic sources for their opinions, and as has pointed out by some scholars can come to different conclusions regarding the same issue. Harris Ibrahim  in his peoples parliament blog also pointed out an instance where a fatwa issued was revoked several years later, in his story about Pak Ahmad.

http://harismibrahim.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/if-the-majlis-fatwa-gets-it-wrong-and-pak-ahmad-follows-unquestioningly-who-picks-up-the-tab-in-the-hereafter/

He also points out that it is a fineable and jailable offence under section 9 & 12 of the syariah criminal offences act 1997 which includes flouting a fatwa. So it is not only about using ones god given conscience as a guide. I also understand that Muslims are expected to follow fatwa's but not obliged to do so. In short it between you and god. Thus it puzzles me that the fatwa is enforceable under the syariah act.

Is our Fatwa council comprised of members who have the stature to give such edicts, or are they merely yet another tool under the ruling government’s payroll?

Is it not odd that the fatwa council took unilateral action without consulting other Islamic bodies whether NGO's, opposition linked ulama or the rulers?

The fatwa council  is under the jurisdiction of the Prime Ministers department, directly or indirectly influenced by UMNO who in turn control 35% of Parliament,

So how far are they represented by 60% of the population who are Muslims?

Should there be a more inclusive consultative approach where the view of a more diverse group is consulted before it is announced to the world?

That is a matter for Malaysian Muslims to decide. 

As a non-Muslim citizen however my concerns are as follows :- 

1) The effect of investment inflows into the country including tourism due to investors pessimism over frivolous fatwas, this affects us all regardless of religious affiliation.


2) Overzealous enforcement officers inconveniencing non-Muslims by hanging around health clubs and demanding to see identification, in the past it made us an international laughing stock when they asked an American couple for their marriage license, they have proven in many incidents to be anything but tactful. This encroaches on personal privacy.

3) Using such fatwa's to frame Muslim opposition MP's on trumped up charges, this will be a setback to the constituents (including non Muslims) whom they represent. 

4) The ruling government who has the fatwa council under its payroll, twisting their arms to issue such fatwas to scare non-Muslim voters into abandoning opposition   Islamic party PAS, I cannot help but notice the escalation since PAS extended the olive branch by formally ratifying its non-Muslim wing, it seems that they are killing 2 birds with one stone by trying to show that they are more Islamic than PAS at the same time trying to erode PAS non-Muslim support. I for one see this whole episode as possibly politically motivated with far reaching ramifications.

5) Its divisive effect over citizens, as it is in some instances we are divided in schools, eateries because of the religion we profess or the food we eat, must we be separated by the exercises we do as well ?

6) Will civil rights activists be arrested under ISA, for declaring a fatwa unconstitutional?

7) Will the ruling government through its control of the Fatwa council issue specific Fatwa's against groups who dissent against them politically?

As you can see we are not islands unto ourselves, everything is interconnected, more so in a country where the non-Muslims are a whopping 40% of the population. Fatwa's are the prerogative of the Islamic community, but justice, knowledge & wisdom cannot be claimed exclusively by any group.

Not discussing these issues openly or excluding some groups from the discussions will only give a cosmetic semblance of order and stability when in fact it will be a veritable timebomb when it permeates into civil society and causes dissatisfactions.

Having said that Malaysians must learn to discuss issues rationally without seeing everything as a win or lose situation, we need to learn the meaning of agreeing to disagree.

I am reminded of this quote by Pastor Martin Niemoler : 

When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent;I was not a communist. 

When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent;I was not a social democrat. 

When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. 

When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I was not a Jew. 

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out. 


- Vijay Kumar Murugavell


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written by OilMan, November 28, 2008 18:40:00
I believe that Muslims are the right group to judge whether a Fatwa is correct or wrong. Muslims must be reminded that Fatwas are made by human and different person will different interpretation of verses or understanding in Islam. In Christianity there also many factions with different interpretation. Therefore the Fatwas issued by the Fatwa council may not be right or applicable in Malaysia. I leave it to the Muslims to decide on whether they think that they are misled or otherwise.
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written by Motherchell, November 28, 2008 19:02:43
What more to be said about the Devils Advocate Albar!! He is a chimera who has risen from the ogres!!! Fit to be time capsuled for destruction in another eon!!!!

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written by Zapper, November 28, 2008 19:13:28
I have a very simplistic view when it comes to religion. Whichever God that I choose to believed in, the relationship is between God and myself. Who is going to tell me that my conduct or actions are ungodly if I follow the good book. If I do wrong, who will be standing before the creator and be judged?

All religions in the world never preaches violence or hatred but the danger is in Man himself...when he chooses to be more godly than the next person and further his agenda.
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written by ylcc, November 28, 2008 20:24:59
Dear Vijay ... I like your quote from Pastor Martin Niemoler.
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written by truthbespoken, November 28, 2008 20:42:02
Although the fatwa on yoga appears to be not my affair, it might still affect my livelihood because my brother Malaysians are affected. Contrary to the usual call by muslims not to interfere into muslims affairs, I strongly believe there must always be some interaction amongst men even though one's beliefs might not be perceived as the same with another. Now is the fatwa on yoga, but what would one say about the implication for the blatant call for the banning of the sales of alcohol, notwithstanding the pros and cons of such item?

Hence, Vijay Kumar, when posting the last passage in italics, is absolutely truthful in expressing the latent fear of many non-muslims in the country. ‘When-would-be-our-turn’ seems to be the personal silent question of many. This is the non-muslims’ perennial fear, the of encroachment into their rights, the liberty to believe what they want to believe and the liberty to carry out the things they want to do in their normal everyday lives.

No man is an island. So are religions of the world. They are not personal domains of anyone. Religion should never be exclusive to believers if it hopes to expand naturally. It should be inclusive of ‘other people’ to allow them to understand, be convinced and perhaps, accept the teachings of that particular religion. It would be wiser that way.
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written by Zym Zym, November 28, 2008 21:00:57
This is one religion that do more harm than good. They divide people into "them and us". In order to segregate society into groups of their own, they impose laws on food, practices and everything that they deem fit. As for the followers, they just can't mingle around with the rest of the society. And when they felt that their livelihood are being threaten, they resort to arms and terrorizing. From Mumbai to Naratiwat to Mindanao, they are the trouble-makers. Don't give me the excuses that it is not the religion per se that causes all these trouble but the people. It's such a lame excuse! It's the damn religion that has gone wrong, don't you all get it? Faithfreedom.org has much to offer for those who are still in the state of denial.
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written by wes wong, November 28, 2008 21:33:52
I think it is just a matter of them showing that they are doing something instead of keeping quiet. Nevertheless, why can't non-muslims have their say? They try to encroach onto the rights of non-muslims as well.

Another example was when the USA gave their opinions on the sodomy trial of Anwar and they were told not to meddle into Malaysia's affairs. Yet, a couple of months later you see the UMNOputras critising the USA???
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written by rizzku, November 28, 2008 21:40:38
This is unrelated.

Somebody dies! There is gonna be another by election within 60 days. PR, start campaigning!
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written by singam, November 28, 2008 21:41:29
Just a short time ago, discussion about the Social Contract was taboo. However the events leading to the political tsunami of March 8 changed all that. Today, despite desperate braying from UMNO, Malaysians are discussing the Social Contract and seeking to rectify the distortions introduced by UMNO.

They need a new playing field that they can declare to be off-limits to non-Malays and, within that playing field, do their utmost to threaten, frighten and bully Malays into closing their minds and shunning cooperation with the non-Malays.

Fortunately for the nation many forward-thinking Malay leaders are taking the bold step of speaking out against such negative developments. There is still hope for a moderate and progressive Malaysia.
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written by Samanyan, November 28, 2008 21:47:30
I don't know to what extent Malaysia can be called a progressive islamic country. There are a hundred much much more important issues for the authorities to zero-in on. Yet they choose something as minor and innocous as the practice of Yoga by muslims to issue a fatwa on.

How about someone looking at more important issues like corruption. Youths going astray ,,,,like MAT REMPITS and the channelling of religious focus to issues like education, business and sports. I remember Tun Mahathir once saying 55% of malay students in KL do not return home immediately after school. That they were lepaking in malls and public places while only 2% of chinese students did the same. Why don't the relgious authorities do research on such issues? At least such moves would have a direct impact and assist greatly in ensuring malay students do not go astray.

Instead their action continously appear to tarnish the image of malaysia in the eyes of tourists and investors.

Whatever we may like to believe about singapore, the rest of the world considers them as a very successful and progressive nation.

We should always be congnisant of the fact, whatever we may say, the world is always going to judge as when they speak about singapore and judge singapore whenever they speak about us.

So, please.... let us really live up to the label "progressive and modern".
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written by Rozlan, November 28, 2008 23:01:04
My first reaction when non muslims commenting about Islam and its teaching was "shutup and mind your own business"..Because we muslims hardly commenting abt other religions no matter how weird their teachings are..

However I believes all hese controversial issues actually fueling interest about Islam to the non muslims..It open up debates.Instead of telling them to shutup why dont muslims organizations open up dialogues fronts..A good way to preach Islam...
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written by MalaysiaBaru, November 28, 2008 23:03:14
Breaking News

Deputy Minister of Education Datuk Razali Ismail who won Kuala Terengganu parlimentary seat with the help of postal votes resulting in a slim majority of just six hundred votes, had passed away. With that, a by-election will be called within the mandatory sixty days.

May God punish ALL the Barisan Najis parlimentarians and state assemblymen who are corrupted, so that they will end up like their fellow scumbag Mohd Deros bin Istana Zakaria.

An additional parlimentary seat is on the way for PR.

Najis, let this be a warning to you!!!
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written by MalaysiaBaru, November 28, 2008 23:11:40
God works in mysterious ways smilies/grin.gif
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written by AsamLaksa, November 29, 2008 00:00:04
Rozlan, there should never be a bar against anyone to discuss any issue. You may think that the fatwas doesn't concern non-Muslims, which is true on the immediate daily living. Nobody likes it at first when someone else not directly related criticises them. Nevertheless, everyone has conscience and if you see a wrong, you speak up. This is what we should encourage. Just like many non-Palestinians speak out against Zionist oppression. What's it got to do with the non-Palestinians? Muslim brothers and sisters? Well, to many non-Muslims, Muslims are their brothers and sisters too.
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written by temanmu, November 29, 2008 01:26:07
SINGAPORE : The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (MUIS) has said Muslims can continue to practise yoga solely for its health and physical benefits, while ensuring that their Islamic faith is properly observed.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20081128/tap-943-muis-says-muslims-practise-yoga-231650b.html
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written by FFT, November 29, 2008 02:58:21
Of course it is a concern for non-Muslims. Because the Islamic perverts from JAIS/JAKIM/JAWI/etc will be raiding yoga centers and disrupting the peaceful serenity. It will all be under the pretext of keeping Muslims on the straight and narrow, but we all know the real motivation is to round up Muslim women into trucks, have them parade in sexually suggestive positions, and force them to pee at the back of the truck while capturing the act on video-camera so that the unfortunate muftis back at headquarters can also partake by jacking off.

Back in the day, this was called caravan raiding and exploiting the enemies' women. Not much has changed since the days of the Najd desert.
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written by batsman, November 29, 2008 08:46:00
Don't you have other things to worry about?
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written by bkho, November 29, 2008 09:57:58
Who wants to dispute the fatwa? They can't help but laugh....

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written by Sinewy, November 29, 2008 12:54:13
I'm always find it odd about those historical wars between believers of different religions, especially between Christians and Muslims. The foundations of all religions that evolved promote peace among the people and also against tyranny caused by those ugly dictators in history who ruled and suppressed the people into immense misery. The basic principles among the religions should be a fair and equal treatment for all people and respect for the liberty of each other to live in peace and harmony. Sl I don't understand why the religious people always want to preach to their followers about the enemy of Islam. Why such noble religious scholars want to promote hatred and distrust among human being by shouting threat and label non muslim as enemy of Islam? Can someone enlighten me on this? Religion should promote peace and friendship and not having a ruling to label its non believer as enemy. I find this strange in Islam.
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written by batsman, November 29, 2008 13:11:37
You mean religions other than Islam are peaceful and friendly? Which planet are you from?
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written by Sinewy, November 29, 2008 13:27:32
Of course there are many non friendly religions in this world. But why should Islam label its non believer to be its enemy?
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written by RFernandez, November 30, 2008 21:46:22
I can't understand why the Muslim religious authorities in Malaysia, can't allow others to use the word "Allah", example the recent banning of the use of word "Allah" on a Catholic newspapers intended for Christians only.

Why can't they see that the use of word "Allah" can promote more Christians & Muslims to see our creator as one, maybe even cause many Christians to cross over to become Muslims?

Why are these so called religious perhaps learned people become so defensive as to prevent Muslims from being confused or should I say informed? Likewise Christian who read articles in Bahasa containing the word Allah are more likely to be more acceptable to the religious teachings of Muslims and may even convert easily. Why aren't the Christians not worried like our Muslim brethren in positions of authority?

Are the Muslims unable to understand the difference or similarities? I highly doubt it.
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