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Friday, 28 November 2008 18:10

The government unjustifiably robbed the Court of Rulers of their royal immunity. Although under the then Prime Minister's engineering of truth and fallacy, the rakyat rallied behind the government, today the rakyat has become very conscious of the blinkered pathway they were led into.

That realization was best encapsulated in the recent General Elections.

And now the Regent of Negeri Sembilan has spoken in no uncertain terms of what the rakyat had been gripping at the marketplace for the past many years. That the royalty must be given back their honor, tradition and liberty.

And as if to add salt to open wounds, the government however retaliates with a statement that a request to have the royal immunity restored must come from the Rulers' Conference; but if it were to come from just the Regent of Negeri Sembilan, then the government will not pay too hoots.

Wait a minute. Don't these so-called politicians never learn?

When the rakyat took five states from under the noses of the arrogant and deaf politicians and handed these over to the 'opposition' camp, the ruling government just continued to brush the incoming state governments aside.

When the rakyat took the courage to expose all kinds of injustice and in a way express a formidable feedback to the government, the same politicians came out with threats, batons and chemical-laced water cannons.

When the Regent of Perak spoke in clear and firm language about what needs to be done for democracy, rule of law and the rakyat, the same politicians chose to ignore. Many choose to pretend not to have even heard the wisdom and timely caution from an educated, principled and concerned royalty.

Now when the Regent of Negeri Sembilan speaks out, the same arrogance from the political corridors of the ruling party seems to blanket the royalty's concern.

Looks like the people of Malaysia may have to now stand up in defence of their revered, respected and trusted Rulers.

The country's rulers reigned longer than the history of our politicians. And the Constitution rightfully has given them the royal immunity.

But politicians come along and drive the wedge in far too deep. This will not do.

So, if the politicians continue to ignore the polite language of our Rulers, then let it be known to these politicians that the talk at the marketplace and in coffee shops is: "If we the rakyat have to march to protect our King and Rulers we will and we must."

Daulat Tuanku! Daulat Tuanku! Daulat Tuanku!

 

J. D. Lovrenciear , Semenyih

 

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written by DreamLady, November 28, 2008 18:26:47
Of late the UMNO goons have become too arrogant, even dare display 'Biadap' toward the royal highnesses.. bypassing the rulers' authority !!

Abdul shukor is one example whose blatant arrogance reflect the corrupted mind that breeds only evil intention...

For his fatwa ruling on yoga without the consent from the rulers, he has angered and infuriated the royal families to an irreparable extent...
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written by Liberace, November 28, 2008 18:32:21
I don't see why royals can only defend the Constitution and the people when they are granted immunity. Do they have a problem living within the rules like everyone else? Sure, laws can pose some inconveniences, but if they really care for the nation, what's a little inconvenience. I voted for a strong opposition that hopefully will form a new government. I didn't vote for immunity to be restored to the royals. Let's not make March 8 more than it is.
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written by SamSan, November 28, 2008 18:38:29
Hope the Regent's voice has been heard by his ever loving state citizens. Just like Perak and Selangor, hope all the King and Rulers abiding and loving citizens will rise and put UMNO and its arrogance in its proper place and elect the Pakatan Rakyat State Government and hopefully the Pakatan Rakyat Federal Government soon, which I believe will restore back our Constitution to its true original form as was the clearly the intention of our founding fathers.
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written by cubi76, November 28, 2008 18:57:43
Our nation is a democratic country that practises law of order. Everyone should be equal when facing law, regardless of his background, socio-economic status, and political association.
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written by mucking fuddled, November 28, 2008 19:11:43
hello, excuse me, immunity from what? from prosecution? come on folks, lets be rational and not be clouded by our loyalty and emotions, the rule of law applies to everyone, sorry no disrespect intended, but murder, rape, abuse of power and treason are not petty crimes, every single person have to be answerable...
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written by Motherchell, November 28, 2008 19:12:36
We need an abuse free, corrupt free, crony free, learned non dereliction of duty for its people. This is vital for a true democracy!!

Yes! it will be a balancing force we can count on from the current rot-- from law and order to judicial fairness!! We have no time to loose. The Executive as gone AMOK!!!!!!!!

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written by cahaya, November 28, 2008 19:46:09
Notice the important point that was made during the luncheon address on “The Role of the Constitutional Monarchy in 21st Century Malaysia” in here on Wednesday.

The Regent is urging the restoration of royal immunity for the Malay Rulers Conference (as guardians of the Federal Constitution), in order that collectively the nine sultans and the Yang di Pertuan Agong can appoint a new Prime Minister, in the case of a hung Parliament. As it is now, the Agong must appoint whoever the ruling party decides should be the PM. (and you know who the next in line is. Would you not prefer someone else?)

Collectively the Rulers Conference could make a better appointment for Prime Minister. They could select a leader who has the majority support of the Parliament, someone honest and competent, and a fair PM to all Malaysians. The Malay Rulers want to play a greater role to safeguard the interests of all communities, to promote peace, prosperity, economic security. This additional check and balance could be one way forward for Malaysia, so that good governance and social justice will eventually replace the corrupt practices of race-based politicians.

Perhaps limited royal immunity should be reinstated, such that the Agong and the Sultans whenever they gather collectively as the Malay Rulers Conference can defend the interests of Malaysians (as guardians of the Federal Constitution). Something like the immunity extended to the Members of Parliament when they speak out on various issues in the Parliament, but which they do not have as ordinary citizens when outside of the Parliament. Therefore everyone must abide by the civil laws, or else they can end up in court for their misdeeds.

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written by BUTEK, November 28, 2008 19:48:41
THE ROYALS AND UMNO ARE JUST LIKE A SIAMESE TWIN.... JUST LOOK AT WHAT HAPPEN TO THE FOREST OF PAHANG ......
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written by generalhonest, November 28, 2008 19:53:57
No, I don't agree! I don't see why the royals need immunity. They can be royalty and speak up on for justice and put pressure on the government without criminal immunity, and the people can judge for themselves. No one can be above the Law. There are many royals around and who will guarantee that none of them will commit crimes against humanity or any type of crimes at all, today or in the future? Come on folks. Don't be naive and ignorant. Wake up to the real world. No one can always be right. It is democracy and freedom of speech that we need, not blind loyalty.
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written by HamChak, November 28, 2008 20:05:10
Cannot la. We cannot give some of these rulers a blanket IMMUNITY,lor
Look at the killing of that innocent Caddie Boy. Killer got away with no
punishment. Also those who were shot from the helicopter. Also some rulers
never pay their DEBTS. Some behave worse than BINATANG. Not everyone behave like the Regent of Perak, Sultan of Perak and Sultan of Selangor.
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written by HamChak, November 28, 2008 20:07:36
Some of the Rulers are very good but some are just Parasites.
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written by Proarte, November 28, 2008 21:16:44
Royalty can be useful in third world governments such as ours which are virtual dictatorships. They can provide a 'check' on the untramelled power of the Executive.

However,the real solution is not to restore immunity to the Royalty which will be replacing one dictatorship with another. At least with BN, there was an election no matter how flawed it was. The Royals are not elected and this is simply ridiculous in 2008.

The solution is to strengthen democracy and the institutions which underpin it such as Parliament and the Judiciary. This is also predicated on a free media. There will be no need for Royalty no matter how benign if we had a proper functioning democracy. Anyway what use are Roayls if the institution they represent is discriminatory and racist. We know that some State Constitutions deny non-Malays the right to assume high office. In the case of the controversy over the appointment of the MB in Perak, the Royals subverted the democratic process by not appointing a Chinese MB even though his party the DAP won the overwhelming number of seats in the state legislature.

Restoring Royal immunity would be an admission of a failed democratic process.
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written by jonath66my, November 28, 2008 21:28:06
Perhaps if our beloved royalty seemed to feel they are unfairly victimised for not paying up while their servants who openly or knowingly indulge in 'money politics' can reach high offices of the land, or corrupt politicians and corporate leaders are not even made to 'stand before the courts', then we pray that they will lead the way and play 'a more crucial and assertive role...and their duties in a fair, just and impartial manner in protecting the constitution' and put these crooks away!
We hope our rulers don't go the way of some politicians who behave like 'gods', live like 'kings' and lords over the people like their 'slaves'.
Daulat Tuanku...Ampun Tuanku Beribu-ribu ampun sembah patik harap diampun
see 'Above the Law' www.jonathan66-my.********.com
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written by InEffective, November 28, 2008 21:28:23

Where was the rulers voice in the last 2 decades when:
- the politicians (read StateExcos) expropriated peoples land in Johor, Selangor, and elsewhere for the last 2 decades
- the universities contributions to malaysia is advanced degress in racism.
- when state religion is used in abundance to coerce, pressure, persecute non-muslims

All peoples of malaysia would have stood up for the rulers if they commanded and earned the respect like the Thai King.

When we the peoples needed the rulers to step up, they were silent - self-preservation ? status-protection ? dependant on politicians ?
somebody explain...(inquiring minds want to know)

Maybe now we see some faint ebbing glimpses of behavioral light befitting the status of royalty.

In my books, malaysians should take down every portrait of the king and sultans (the queens can stay - at least they have not let down the peoples) in every building, organization, until they have re-earned the right to respect and loyalty. Otherwise Malaysians will be essentially be practising blind and mindless allegiance - for what ? (see where that got them with politicians).

Don't mistake me, i do wish to have respect and loyalty to the royal family - means a lot culturally, but i can't do it blindly. Not when their behavior hurts and cripples other malaysians.

Wondering if i should be wishing to be a Thai....
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written by Daryl, November 28, 2008 21:51:50
I disagree that royalties need to have their immunity back. No one should be above the law especially those who have advantages just being born into the particular family. Rakyat pay for everything they have and they should not be above the laws of the land. This is 21st century not 15 or 16 century.
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written by non conformist, November 28, 2008 22:04:33
The RIGHTEOUS have no need immunity whatsoever.
Only the EVIL and UNRIGHTEOUS seek for immunity from righteous wrath.

The civil government must punish evil wherever it is found.

13:1 ¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13, Holy Bible.

'Every soul' and 'whosoever' INCLUDES sultans and non-sultans.
Evil, wherever it is found, MUST be justly punished.

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written by cruzeiro, November 28, 2008 22:40:40
Lovrenciear,
You definitely must've lost your marbles.
It's either that, or Semenyih must be somewhere out of this world!

Firstly, the GE has no bearing on the immunity requested by Tg Naquiyuddin or TM Pahang.
Secondly, their lack of immunity in no way affects their ability to perform their official duties in "defending the constitution". It only involves their conduct in their personal capacity.
And thirdly, what Nazri said was true with regard to the request coming from the Ruler's Conference - it wasn't arrogance.

I concur with Karpal on this matter, and I believe that limitation of their immunity was the best thing that came out of the Mahathir era!
“Subjecting the rulers to the law just like any other citizen, places Malaysia in a unique position, which perhaps should be emulated by other countries which have royalty. Everyone, including royalty must be equal before the law.

“Restoration of immunity of the rulers will only put the clock back for the country. This is a situation that must be averted at all costs,” said Karpal.

While I may not exactly be a fan of Mahathir, this was probably one of the best things he's done - impressing upon all that none is above the law. However, that he erred in that he took that privilege for the executive is regrettable. It shouldn't have been to the extent that after 30 days, the King's assent was insignificant to the passing of Laws. There should have been some middle way, where neither the King nor the Executive held absolute power.

It's strange that the most outspoken, publicly respected and erudite of the Royals - HRH Raja Nazrin - who has been at the forefront of this struggle for socio-political reform, isn't too concerned about "power" or "immunity from the law".
I wonder why anyone would want absolute "immunity" from the Law - what have they got to fear? Maybe we should ask Bruce Willis, StanChart or maybe we should ask all those who have been in the limelight for "various reasons" .... that should answer many questions, I suppose.
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Constitutional (Amendment) Bill 1983, revisited
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written by cahaya, November 28, 2008 22:53:20
Reading the comments above, it appears that half the commentators for this article agree, but half do not agree.
In order to better understand the history and reasons for royal immunity, some MT readers may find it helpful to read the entire speech on “The Role of the Constitutional Monarchy in 21st Century Malaysia” which was made on Wednesday.
Full text of Tunku Naquiyuddin Tuanku Jaffar’s speech
http://www.malaysiakini.com/do...narchy.php
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written by SamYap, November 28, 2008 23:01:45
I totally disagree with J. D. Lovrenciear. It seems to me that he didn't hink twice before writing his article. It was just recently that the Negeri Sembilan royalty was sued by Standard Chartered and Bruce Willis, in separate legal issues. StanChart won the legal suit to recover its loan and the Bruce Willis case maybe settled out of court.

Could anyone imagine what the aggrieved parties could do to recover their money if the royal families were granted immunity?

Then there is the hushed up case of the Johor Sultan bashing his caddie with a golf club? What about the Sultan of Kelantan dashing off with his Lamborghini Countach from the Customs and Excise compound yard in Subang Airport because he felt he need not pay import duties for the luxury car?

Although the Sultan of Selangor and the Raja Muda of Perak have spoken intellectually and with some authority on sensitive issues, it does not mean that the rest of the other rulers are just as capable or smart.

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written by Jan, November 28, 2008 23:07:30
How come UMNOputras are immune from prosecution and Royalties are not? Is it because UMNOPutras are bigger than Royals?
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written by cahaya, November 28, 2008 23:28:39
The Rulers are not seeking royal immunity so they won't be punished for crimes committed by their relatives. They are asking for restoration of their powers so they can be effective guardians of the Federal Constitution, a check and balance to the powerful Executive (the PM).
In modern Malaysia, Constitutional Monarchy is one of four basic governmental structures of the Constituion; the other three being the Executive (the PM), the Judiciary (the courts), and the Legislature (the Parliament). As a Constitutional Monarchy, it is important that each be independent and one of the Roles is to ensure that politicians respect these institutions.
- - Tunku Naquiyuddin Tuanku Jaffar
If you were an adult when TDM was the PM, then you will recall how the Executive (the PM) had significantly limited the role of the Monarchy, and increased his party’s influence on the Judiciary and the Legislature, so these two structures became much less independent.
So what are the top ten problems facing Malaysia and what are the top three? Let us try to look at them in order of importance and in the priority that it impacts society.
1. Violation of the Constitution.
2. Erosion of the independence of the four branches of government.
3. Arrogance of those in power.
4. Denial of the fundamental rights of the citizens.
5. Corruption.
6. Mismanagement of the nation’s coffer.
7. Unequal representation of the people.
8. Lack of understanding of the nation’s history.
9. Distorting of information.
10. Poor education system.
That would be my list in order of priority. Of course, this may not be the list of others and, even if it is, the order of priority could be disputed. And certainly our problems are not confined to just these ten.

- - RPK in Mission and vision statement revisited

Now that is why some Rakyat think royal immunity should be given back to the Rulers.


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written by cheekhiaw, November 28, 2008 23:41:22
Only an idiot thinks some people should have immunity.

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written by Msian Idol3, November 28, 2008 23:55:53
Tell me which royalty have work like a layman & speak for fairness or don't have a host of servants to help them. So far only 2 have really spoken for the people - HRH of S'gor & Perak. What immunity do they need -- scare to be prosecuted or no beef steak in Kamuting? If the royalties are doing good & righteous work what is there to be afraid off? Go to jails & be sued -- face it like all M'sians. Many Msians are doing that & even giving their lives. I have seen how royalties have abuse their positions & as human being we have and will always be. If we don't have laws that is meant for every one, what kind of society are we going to have. Hey, I have seen royalty chasing & assaulting people who overtook them while driving. Take the beatings & sulk away!!! Do royalties need immunity to deal with politicians. Wake up & if you fear prosecutions then we don't need royalties at all if they are good for nothing.
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written by hakuna, November 29, 2008 00:00:13
No one should be above the LAW - immaterial what their birth standings are.Do not agree with the article concerning immunity.

If a man in the street can speak up through his conscience so can all people in power - why the necessity of immuntity - is it to hide when one should be speaking up???

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written by 1351, November 29, 2008 02:01:17
Well put cruz and I hope it is not missed upon JD that Tunku Naq may be speaking on behalf of the family, in light of recent events.

Yam Tuan NS was recently on the receiving end of a suit, had his fixed deposit lifted by the bank to cover an overdraft facility. A lawsuit was initiated by the Yam Tuan and the courts found that actions taken by the bank was proper.

Further on, let just say all is not well within the stable of companies that Tunku Naq and family oversee. For a good part of the last decade, numerous companies with ties to NS royalty have been in rehabilitation. In just one project, the company holding the rights to PD-Seremban Highway has been bleeding red ink from inception to the tune of hundreds of million. Imagine if the family has blanket immunity to ward off claims, what recourse can creditors be entitle to worse come to worst ?

Indeed a double edge sword right there JD.

Regards as always
Casper
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written by yteo2, November 29, 2008 02:58:50
granting immunity to royalties is like trading one dictator for 12 other dictators... NO WAY!
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written by hamid, November 29, 2008 07:42:17
The rakyat will give back the royal immunity ..... ha ha ha

Which Dunggu WRITER decided on this Stupidity and on What Basis.....Apart from Raja Nazrin and Raja Petra.....so many should have been in Jail.

Guardian of Islam from Negeri Sembilan is a Shame to Islam from their ATTEMPTED CHEATING of Stan Chart. N9 Royalty should have Abdicated their Throne on that basis and give the SEAT Back to the RIGHTFUL Owner. Don't lie to the Rakyat anymore. N9 is illigitimate inheritor of the Throne in N9.

In Islam Lie and cheating....which hands needs to be chopped off...So Called Guardian of Islam. Pleaze don't Insult Islam with your Behaviour. Go drink more Alcohol and gamble.....God only knows what you leeches of Islam do overseas!! smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by batsman, November 29, 2008 08:22:48
Dumb asses still don't realise UMNO IS the law!
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written by batsman, November 29, 2008 08:25:04
Dumb asses don't realise UMNO still controls Parliament, judiciary, police, civil service, EC, ACA etc. UMNO have more power than the Malay rulers. UMNO has absolute power.
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written by batsman, November 29, 2008 08:26:31
Dumb asses see a bug at the other end of the ocean but fail to see elephant standing next to them.
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written by Toyolbuster, November 29, 2008 09:24:10
Royal Immunity for what if I may ask. We have seen one whacking a Caddy to death with a golf club, unprovoked. No case. What about 2 "suspected" smugglers being shot to death in their boat (sitting ducks) from a helicopter. No case. What about a law student on holiday back in Malaysia being beatened senseless and never recovered. No case. What about the constant harassments by some royal rogues in Night Clubs and Discos, molesting girls in front of their boyfriends. No case. What about the millions owed to banks and businessmen, and the defaulted contracts and agreements. No case. What about the unsettled debts owed to Casinos in foreign countries. No case. So what immunity are we talking about here. How about leading by example first before we even talk about immunity.
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written by Sudahlah tu, November 29, 2008 09:50:36
diberi itu bukan percuma mahupun yang tertinggi
awak terpaksa menjadi pemimpin yang teunggul dan berpegang kepada perlembagaan negara serta kesusilaan raja
semuanya ini sudah berakhir kerana sifat tamak dan kegilaan kuasa dalam mengejar gaya hidup yang tidak mencorakkan ajaran Allah.
kekayaan di dunia cuma sementara dan tidak pernah berkekalan . itu sudah lama diperkatakan ... dan manusia yang lemah ataupun tamak sahaja yang akan terperangkap dalam kehidupan sebegini.
segalanya ditentukan oleh Allah dan jikalau dapt berada di keadaan kekayaan awak hari ini , jangan memboros semua tanpa mengingati Allah setiap saat kerana Dialah yang memberkati segalanya kepada awak. Lakukan tugasan Allah agar umatNya yang lain juga dapat mendampingi kehadiran Allah di dalam kehidupan mereka setiap hari.
Jangan minta apa yang tidak pernah dihargai selama ini..
Bertaubat dan menyerahkan diri daripada sifat tamak serta mendekati Allah setiap saat dahulu ... itu permulaan .
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written by ROBERTNGTG, November 29, 2008 10:20:36
The rakyat will give back the royal immunity

YEP AND DONT ANYONE, AND THAT MEANS THE POLITICIANS AND ROYALTY INCLUDED,
NEVER FORGET THAT IT IS THE RAKYAT WHO ARE EMPOWERED TO DECIDE. SO, IF ANYONE, AND THAT MEANS THE POLITICIANS AND ROYALTY INCLUDED, MUST NEVER TAKE THAT ADVANTAGE FOR HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A RAKYAT ENRAGED. RULE WISELY AND JUSTLY.
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written by CPY, November 29, 2008 10:50:15
Well, only with certain conditions can the rulers be given the immunity. For example, a ruler must posses the mandate thats is like mandate of heaven. To keep this mandate, he must be morally clean. This immunity is useful when the rulers instruct us to 'kick out' or protects us(by giving some sort of shelter) from corrupt BN politicians. This is to ensure they will not enact laws to 'restrict' our rulers from checking them. However, this immunity is unlikely to be abused by themselves. The incidents in the past and the situation in Nepal has taught them a lesson.
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written by CPY, November 29, 2008 10:55:21
Btw, i sincerely hopes the rulers will instruct a constitutional amendment to allow a non-malay MB to take office. The UMNO supporters must understand that no matter who is the MB or PM, there will be a Malay ruler above his authority because under constitution, every power are bestowed from the rulers.
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written by sydput, November 29, 2008 11:01:53
Give royals immunity and let their royal prince rape and pillage your wife and daughter? No way buddy.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, November 29, 2008 13:14:44
D. Lovrenciear,

How much did the Royals paid you, and what did they promised you in return for writing this self-proclaimed ‘raykat’ support article?

Either that or you must have lost your marbles (as mentioned above too)!
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written by batsman, November 29, 2008 13:19:41
Sydput - what do you think UMNO is doing to your backside right now?
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written by InEffective, November 29, 2008 14:16:00

If we do want the royals to play a guardianship role in our (rakyat's) lives, we need to ensure that they (the rulers) cannot be made strategically dependant, obligated, coerced, captured by unscrupulous politicians.

Need to ensure the royals have sufficient autonomy to be effective and useful for the rakyat, but also accountability for actions and behavior. A Balance is needed.

Its sounds like perhaps they (or the MSM) changed the understanding and focused only on immunity. Communications is very critical - but we know our MSM.

Legal immunity does not achieve autonomy. But in Malaysia, the legal system and dysfunctional malleable judges(skewed by politicians) can certainly erode and prevent autonomy of any authority.
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written by aryn, November 29, 2008 15:21:06
It was the royals own misconducts that caused them to lose their immunities.

Now, live with it.

Salute to Raja Nazrin, his father and Sultan Selangor.
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written by Qcumber, November 29, 2008 16:00:28
Immunity can be given back to the Royalty with one condition:

If they commit a crime, straight away that immunity will be striped off and prosecute them. Put tis clause into the constitution. Then I will support the motion

or.. they must swear in the name of Islam that they will never commit crime.

or... the NFC comes out with a fatwa that the Royalties are maksum.


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written by Qcumber, November 29, 2008 16:09:30
I like this...

Dumb asses see a bug at the other end of the ocean but fail to see elephant standing next to them.


Translation:

Dubur bodoh kuman diseberang boleh nampak, gajah di depan mata tidak kelihatan.


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written by Qcumber, November 29, 2008 16:13:58
granting immunity to royalties is like trading one dictator for 12 other dictators... NO WAY!


Got 12 twelve meh?
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written by Susanna, December 01, 2008 17:28:57
Like all leaders, they must be leaders by example and they must earn the respect of the rakyat even if they are leaders by birth right. Recent new batch of rulers in the form of the regent of Perak, Sultan Selangor and our Agung are exemplary rulers who serve rather than simply lord over their people and abuse their privileges. They have endeared themselves to their rakyat and the rakyat have a renewed trust and hope in the house of royalty. In countries where rulers are still very much respected, looked up to and loved is because they have conducted themselves well and exemplary. Keeping their rightful positions. Those who abused their birth right, as proven in history, their time of ruling ultimately cut short. These are modern times when no one should be above the law. But when rulers are much loved, much can be forgiven. The rakyat have eyes to see, ears to hear and minds to perceive the worthiness of their rulers
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written by Rainbowseahorse, December 02, 2008 11:26:18
Batsman,

Sorry to disappoint you..I wouldn’t touch MCA with a 100 foot pole…not qualified too anywhere due to my race!smilies/grin.gif Also, they can't afford to pay me too! smilies/grin.gif
More like I think like & feel our bro Pete. Same race (les the royalty) and religion!

You don't like my comments? Tough luck bro! smilies/grin.gif
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