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Thursday, 17 January 2008 15:02

Nothing would be more fantastic than PAS, an Islamic party, offering the HINDRAF 5, Hindu activists, seats to contest under its party banner. The HINDRAF 5 need not convert to Islam or become PAS members to contest a seat under the PAS party banner.

THE CORRIDORS OF POWER

Raja Petra Kamarudin

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CHALLENGES 2007-2008: Civil Society Ready for Regime Change

By Baradan Kuppusamy

29 Dec 07 (IPS) - As the year draws to a close no solution is visible for Malaysia’s worsening ethnic and religious divide, either from the political establishment led by an indecisive Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi nor a judiciary tainted by charges of corruption.

People are disappointed, disgusted and alienated by the lack of direction and vision and the missing political will to make the tough decisions the country badly needs,” said Steven Gan, political commentator and editor of Malaysiakini.com, an independent on-line news magazine. “We enter 2008 on a very discordant and very uncertain note,” he told IPS.

The year saw two major demonstrations that shook the country, revealing that behind the superhighways and gleaming tall buildings that dot the urban areas lurks biting poverty, insecurity and deep alienation. One protest by urban Malays, on November 10, demanded fraud-free elections and a rewriting of policies that presently favour the ruling elite. The second protest, on November 25, by ethnic Indians, a minority that forms eight percent of the population of 26 million, decried what is perceived as official marginalisation and exclusion from socio-economic development.

Instead of sympathy and a willingness to listen, harsh police action was unleashed on the protestors, including use of the draconian Internal Security Act (ISA) that provides for indefinite detention without trial. Five ethnic Indian leaders are now being held without trial, accused of having links with terrorist organisations such as Sri Lanka’s separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), while over 100 others of all races have been charged with illegal assembly. Many were imprisoned for weeks without trial and only released on bail after public anger spiked against the administration’s misuse of judicial authority to incarcerate protestors.

Badawi has not offered any evidence to back charges of extremism or terrorism, though the action has been condemned by top opposition leaders. “The harsh police action is clearly intended to cow the public from protesting against government inefficiency and corruption and failure to solve the major problems the country faces,” said top opposition leader Lim Kit Siang. “The country is at a crossroads,” he told IPS. “There is rampant corruption, no accountability, and major promises by Mr Abdullah are not fulfilled. The talk is there but the political will to make the necessary changes is missing.”

Political Islam gained throughout the year at the expense of constitutionally-guaranteed secular rights and is set to make a bigger impact in 2008 as the Islamisation of Malaysia’s multi-ethnic society takes deeper root. In June, the country’s highest court ruled that a Muslim cannot opt out of Islam, closing the doors on a tiny group of Muslims who want to convert out of conviction, marriage, or migration. In December, the same court ruled that a Hindu woman cannot stop her estranged husband from converting their youngest son to Islam, adding another strain to the social fabric and heightening non-Muslims fears that majority Muslims were trampling on secular rights. The court held that since the husband has converted to Islam he is therefore governed by Islamic or Shariah law.

Conflicting family laws have become an emotional battleground among the country’s multi-ethnic communities that may worsen in 2008 as several highly-emotional cases come up for hearing. It is not just Hindus and moderate Muslims who are upset over 'creeping Islam' but also the long silent Christian community of 2.5 million adherents, mostly ethnic Indians and Chinese. Christians have been ordered not to use the Arabic word 'Allah' in their publications. One weekly magazine of the Catholic Church has been banned for that reason and many publications with the word were seized by the internal security ministry, headed by Badawi himself. In a rare protest, the church has filed a suit against the government to keep their right to call god 'Allah' and to stop the government from seizing Christian text with the word.

More repression lies ahead in 2008, going by a new government policy to disallow any form of public protest and reverse Badawi’s 'sunshine' policies on dissent while taking power in November 2003. The government-controlled mainstream media is now being unashamedly used to prop up Badawi and the repression he has unleashed against pro-democracy activists and civil society movements.

We expect the government to resort to more repression in 2008 because it is facing serious setbacks and would suffer badly in the upcoming a general election,” said Yap Swee Seng, executive director of SUARAM, a prominent rights NGO. “The public mood is to vote for the opposition, especially after the harsh police action against peaceful demonstrations,” he told IPS.

The general election in 2008 is expected to be rough with a shaken administration facing angry voters, unhappy with the lack of direction and political will to solve not just contentious issues but also ordinary problems like rampant crime, corruption and mismanagement of public resources. Opposition icon Anwar Ibrahim has publicly urged Badawi to investigate the root causes of the country’s malaise, from disrespect for human rights to a slowing economy and rising ethnic tension. “Don’t treat the bark when the roots need remedy,” he told supporters at a recent opposition rally. “Show the leadership and vision, walk the talk.”

That’s exactly what Badawi has been struggling to get right for the best part of 2007, but with mixed results. On the political front, he has not succeeded in closing the widening gap between the races. On the economic side, foreign direct investment (FDI) has slowed dramatically and his 'regional growth corridors' for the north, east, and south of the country -- sold as the final solution to the economic malaise -- have not taken off in the way it was intended. Badawi said last month he needs another five-year term to carry out all his plans to success, but increasingly voters are not buying it.

I know voting for the opposition is not going to solve the country’s malaise but it will tell Mr Abdullah that we are unhappy with his administration,” said Vincent Wong, a retired engineer at an opposition forum last week. “We want to send him a message -- 2008 is when we do it,” he said as the crowd of 800 people applauded.

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A pretty accurate analysis of the mood on the ground by my good friend, Baradan Kuppusamy, whom I have known for some years now. But it takes more than just a ruling party on self-destruct mode to decide the outcome of the general election. It also needs a united, well-coordinated, and level-headed opposition. But the opposition has not quite got its act together yet. So a floundering ruling party does not help if the opposition is even worse. And this is where the problem lies. The opposition is no better than the ruling party.

Are the voters, therefore, being offered any choices? Granted, there is much that is to be desired from the ruling party. But after 50 years of an Umno-led government, about 15 or 16 years of that under the Alliance Party (Parti Perikatan) and the rest under Barisan Nasional, there does not appear to be any good alternatives on offer. This is the problem facing the voters. What are the alternatives?

We were blessed with good news last week when it was announced that the opposition had already come to an agreement on the seat allocations for Penang Island. We were told that PAS, DAP and PKR had agreed on how to carve up the state. And in the event that the opposition does win enough seats in Penang to form a state government, then DAP would be given the post of Chief Minister.

Okay, that is only one state, and a 'Chinese' state at that. But what about the other states such as Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah, Perak, Selangor and Sabah where the opposition also has a good chance of either winning outright or at least of denying the ruling party its two-thirds majority in the State Assembly? Has an agreement been reached for these states as well?

Before this question could be answered, DAP surfaced to officially declare that the party does not have any electoral pact with PAS. Why the need to deny that an agreement has been reached for Penang? Okay, maybe Gerakan had 'revealed' that a secret pact between PAS and DAP exists. But the voters were elated. They were happy that an electoral pact, secret or otherwise, had been made. The voters expressed no problems with the announcement that DAP has 'gone to bed' with PAS. But DAP appears to see this as a problem and has publicly denied it.

DAP's reason for 'keeping its distance' from PAS is because PAS represents the face of Islam. DAP's rejection of PAS, therefore, is to maintain the spirit of rejecting Islam. How does DAP think the Malay voters would take this? Islam is dear to the hearts of the Malays. A rejection of Islam means DAP is taking the religion of the Malays as the enemy. Does DAP now expect the Malays to vote for it?

PAS has demonstrated a very tolerant face of Islam. In its 18 years rule in the state of Kelantan, PAS has been very accommodating to the other religions. Pigs, which during the rule of Umno could not be slaughtered in Kelantan, now can. Invariably, pork is easily available anywhere in the state. Kelantan has the biggest Buddhist statue in Malaysia while the Umno-ruled State of Sabah has issued a fatwah (religious decree) declaring Buddhist statues as haram (forbidden) and has banned the erection of Buddhist statues. The Umno-led government has banned the use of the word 'Allah' in Malay language Bibles. In fact, they are even trying to ban Malay language Bibles altogether. When PAS first came to power in 1990, the Menteri Besar called the Hindus for a meeting and offered them approval to build a Hindu temple in the state -- while Umno-ruled states like Selangor demolishes Hindu temples, which triggered the HINDRAF protests.

If DAP opposes PAS because PAS represents Islam and PAS' brand of Islam has been unjust, unreasonable, discriminatory, etc., towards the non-Muslims, then it would be quite understandable to reject PAS merely because it happens to be an Islamic party. But to reject PAS just for the sake of opposing Islam would certainly rub the Malay voters the wrong way. Is PAS being made to pay for the sins of Umno? If Umno is the culprit why should PAS be made the whipping boy? This is what is most perplexing about DAP's paranoia against Islam which PAS is being made to pay for.

There are hardly any Chinese majority constituencies. There are hardly any Indian majority constituencies. But there are many Malay majority constituencies where the Malay voters exceed 90% of the voting population. Almost all the Chinese and Indian candidates win with the help of the Malay voters. So the Malay vote is very important. You can form a government, although with a mere simple majority, just on Malay votes alone. But you can't form a government, or even win a seat, with just Chinese and Indian votes alone. And Ali Rustam, the Chief Minister of Melaka, said it very bluntly during the PPP state convention that Umno has ruled this country for 50 years and can rule for another 50 without Chinese or Indian support. In fact, added Ali, Umno does not even need Sabah and Sarawak as well.

So what is DAP's game plan? Is DAP committed to the opposition cause or is it but a mere Trojan Horse? It boggles the mind that we, those who are not in the front-line of politics, can see the need for racial unity while the DAP leaders have this impression that all it needs is Chinese support and the Malays can go to hell. DAP can't even form the government in a 'Chinese' state like Penang with just Chinese votes and without the support of the Malays. We 'simple' people can see this. You mean to say that the politically-savvy DAP leaders who have been playing politics since when we were still mere school-kids can't?

The opposition has been plagued with Trojan Horses since the opposition parties were first formed. Not only DAP but all the opposition parties suffer from this. PAS has split many times because of this and PAS splinter parties have cropped up from time to time. Hamim, Berjasa, etc., were created to bring down PAS just like how Semangat 46 was launched as a nemesis of Umno. Some PAS leaders even left the party to join Umno to prove, in the end, that they were planted in the party by Umno to work as the enemy within. DAP too has seen people like Lee Lam Thye and others eventually leave the party to go back to work for their real boss, Barisan Nasional.

The question is, have all the Trojan Horses in PAS and DAP already left the opposition or are there many still around? Looking at the way the opposition is conducting itself, it appears like there are still many enemies within whose task is to ensure that the opposition stays disunited because a united opposition would spell the doom of the ruling coalition, Barisan Nasional.

PKR, of course, is not spared this same problem either. Take the case of Nallakarupan. He was almost allowed to contest the recent Ijok by-election. At the eleventh hour he was dropped in favour of Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim. No doubt, many thought that an Indian should have contested that seat and the fact that the Indian was sidelined in favour of a Malay attracted allegations of racial discrimination. But Nallakarupan is a known pimp who procures women for the rich and powerful, in particular rich and powerful politicians who walk in the corridors of power. And he is an Umno Trojan Horse. Dropping him was probably the best decision Anwar Ibrahim has ever made in four years.

Nallakarupan now has his own 'Indian' party that is backed by no less than Deputy Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak. Rosmah would be best advised to limit contacts between Nallakarupan and her husband lest she wants to see some Bollywood bombshells land on her doorstep. It is no secret that Nallakarupan was almost sent to the gallows ten years ago if not for the fact that he has a fat bank account and was able to pay all and sundry a total of RM100 million to be allowed to walk free. But RM100 million is a fraction of the money he has stashed away in Singapore and staying alive to enjoy the balance of your money is a better proposition than being hanged by the neck until you die.

Barisan Nasional is in trouble. Umno is being torn apart by internal bickering. MCA too is, yet again, going to be split into two. The Team A and Team B factions that ripped MCA apart awhile back has now become Team A, Team B and Team C. And the Chua Soi Lek pornographic DVD controversy has not ended the political career of the one-time Minister of Health. Instead, it has just made him more determined to oust the MCA leadership and he has embarked on an aggressive nationwide campaign to take over the leadership of the party -- which will happen later this year and thereby place him in a strategic position to succeed the Presidency in 2012.

The MIC veterans of the pre-Samy Vellu days have got together and are accumulating 100,000 signatures to prove that the Indians no longer support the MIC leadership. MIC Youth has been ordered to embark on a nationwide road-show to regain Indian support. At the meeting with MIC members in Kulim on 6 January, 2,000 angry Indians booed the MIC Youth leader and pelted him with eggs. The police had to be brought in to restore order and prevent what was going to become a riot if left to its own devices.

The Indians have made it very clear they no longer support MIC. Abdullah Badawi agreed to meet the Indians to listen to their grievances but he wanted Samy Vellu in attendance. Samy Vellu is the problem. The problem can never be the solution. The Indians realise they do not have the sympathetic ear of the Prime Minister and the only way they are going to get justice would be to take matters into their own hands. MIC or the Prime Minister are not going to help them. They have to help themselves.

The Indians have finally woken up from their 50-year slumber. They know their future lies in their own hands. But DAP is still sleeping. Two of the five HINDRAF leaders under ISA detention are DAP grass-root leaders. DAP should have announced it is going to give the five HINDRAF leaders under ISA detention seats to contest the coming general election. If DAP can't find places for the five HINDRAF leaders, at least offer seats to the two who are DAP grass-root leaders. Surely out of the 800 or so seats up for grabs DAP can find places for at least two. Better still if they can find places for all five.

But the HINDRAF 5 under ISA detention are not being offered any seats. Okay, DAP might be stingy. But surely PKR, which does not have enough candidates of calibre anyway, can find five slots for the HINDRAF 5. Five out of 800 seats should not be that hard to find. And if PKR too is not prepared to offer the HINDRAF 5 any seats, what is to stop PAS from doing so? PAS may be an Islamic party. Maybe only Muslims can become members of the party. But there is nothing in the rule book that says PAS can't allow the HINDRAF 5 to contest the election under its banner.

Nothing would be more fantastic than PAS, an Islamic party, offering the HINDRAF 5, Hindu activists, seats to contest under its party banner. The HINDRAF 5 need not convert to Islam or become PAS members to contest a seat under the PAS party banner. And by allowing the Hindu activists to contest the general election under the banner of an Islamic party would prove that PAS does not just preach religious tolerance but actually practices it as well. That would, in one swoop, repair the damage to PAS' reputation and erase the allegation of PAS being a Taliban party. Why do the opposition leaders not see this? Or do they see this but the Trojan Horses within the opposition are bent on ensuring that Barisan Nasional remains in power forever?

The general election is just around the corner. But the seat negotiations are nowhere near settlement. While the 14-party ruling coalition is putting its election machinery together, the three-party opposition is still bickering over the spoils of war. And the war has not even started yet. In fact, the opposition is far from winning the war. But they are already quarrelling over a mere dream that may remain a dream long after we are all dead and buried in our graves. What the fuck is wrong with the opposition? Do we need to boycott the opposition and vote for the ruling party to teach the opposition a lesson?

The issue of candidates is another important factor. If you try to squeeze a round peg into a square hole, the voters will reject the opposition candidate and will vote Barisan Nasional. The opposition accuses the ruling party of propagating cronyism. But the opposition practices cronyism as well. The opposition leaders play favourites and will give their cronies the best seats. The non-cronies will be given the not so favourable seats. We will see winnable seats lost to Barisan Nasional merely because they placed the wrong candidate in that seat. Candidates should be allotted seats not because they are close to the party leadership but because they are able to win those seats. If not we will never see the opposition winning 60 Parliament and 200 State seats as what we hope will happen this time around.

This is the opposition's last chance. For 50 years we have seen the same party ruling this country. This has to change. This, in fact, can change. But if they miss the boat this time around, the opposition will not be able to try again in the next election in 2012 or 2013. They either make it this time around or else we will see what Ali Rustam said is going to happen -- we shall see Barisan Nasional in power for another 50 years.

No, I don't believe I am smarter than the opposition leaders. No, I don't believe the opposition leaders are that stupid. I believe the opposition leaders are smart enough to know what needs to be done. It is just that many within the ranks of the opposition leaders are Trojan Horses planted in the opposition by Barisan Nasional to ensure that the opposition remains divided and continues squabbling over petty issues so that a very weak Barisan Nasional can remain in power in spite of it being so weak. I just hope that these Trojan Horses do not include people like Lim Kit Siang, Anwar Ibrahim, Husam Musa and those many others who are the main decision-makers and who will determine whether the opposition continues as a weak opposition while an even weaker Barisan Nasional stays on as the government.

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written by miwaki, January 17, 2008 15:41:41
I would suggest Kit Siang and those chinese who are afraid of PAS to relocate to Kelantan to have a feel of how PAS has govern this state.As a chinese who have been travelling to Kelantan every alternate month,I'm please to tell you that there is no place in malaysia like Kelantan.Every morning " Bak Kut Teh" and all my customers who are also chinese are happy about PAS performance.Some even said that chinese are having preferential treatment in Kelantan just like our bumis in other sates of Malaysia.

Your fear of PAS is without basis since you have not been ruled by PAS,only people in Kelantan and Terengganu can tell you the truth.I'm sure most of us have friends,relatives or business associates who live in East coast,if PAS is as corrupt and incompetent as BN,then we have reasons to reject PAS,otherwise we should cooperate with PAS and show BN the exit.
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written by AMUbaidahS, January 17, 2008 15:53:54
Anwar Ibrahim a Trojan Horse? No... smilies/wink.gif
Surely the passport personally delivered by KJ couldn't have that much influence on him...

And sure Kit Siang's regular coffee meetings with Kalimullah doesn't make him a Trojan Horse...

Very astute Pet.
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written by PHUKETBOY, January 17, 2008 16:06:23
URGENT..URGENT..URGENT !!!!!
MAXIS HAVE BLOCKED MALAYSIA TODAY WEBSITE !
I noticed this since yesterday and called maxis today. Their staff have CONFRIMED that MAXIS have blocked this site due to its political.
Can someone clarify this.

Hello Maxis !
I thought in Malaysia there is no censure. What is happening ???
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written by timmy, January 17, 2008 16:08:30
I visited Kelantan last year, and I think PAS did a great job there. I for once, a Chinese, prefer there's no lottery shops arnd my neighbourhood, liquor are hard to get and a peaceful and quiet place to stay -- and I think only Kota Bharu offered such places. Besides Tok guru Nik Aziz, sometimes make some "controversial" (after spinning by the main media) statements, there's no reason to reject PAS from Kelantan. Since young, I admit I hated PAS because of all the media hypes on the TV and newspaper portraying how bad PAS is. But I was so wrong after I visited Kota Bharu. Even the Chinese there love their government. Well, perhaps the only setback is the job opportunities for the young are not there because of lack of investment (I guess). Although gambling and liquor is part of Chinese culture, but I believe most Chinese and Indians believe it is not a good thing to have as well in their bottom of their heart. Aiyah, in conclusion, PAS is good, and hope they can practice "MODERATION" once in power. If you get some fanatic like SMK BUD4 principal, I rather go for BN. Period. At least UMNO shows for 50 years, even when they are weak, they know where is the Chinese soft spot to rub and heal every hard feeling before election.
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written by Jay Krish, January 17, 2008 16:12:48
Clearly Sir RPK, you have more than just a hunch with regards to these trojan horses. And it seems you are changing your tune. Up to recently it was Deny BN and now its Boycott Opposition. Looks like either way... the rakyat will be the losers... it's a depressing state of affairs if you'd ask me.
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written by timmy, January 17, 2008 16:14:38
To DAP, if you worry about your team unity or members dissatisfaction for declaring that you work with PAS, just learn to weigh between your useless team members who hated PAS or the voters who are going to vote you in the next general election. You are fighting for a Malaysian Malaysia, well PAS is a MALAYSIAN PARTY as well, so please don't prejudice. Work together, don't call your united opposition as Barisan Alternatif (such copy cat to Barisan Nasional) -- called it PARTY RAKYAT MALAYSIA.
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written by renoir, January 17, 2008 16:19:55
The BN has been very successful in its divide and rule tactics, and the racial/religious disease has infected most Malaysians, even those within the Opposition. People must know that it's fine to say you don't like this or that opposition party's policies, but when you allow that like or dislike to influence political action, you're in effect working for BN. Thus, no matter how noble-sounding your ideals are, you ARE a Trojan Horse and a traitor to all progressives in the country.

LChuah
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written by Raja Petra, January 17, 2008 16:31:30
Dear PHUKETBOY, yes, it appears like MAXIS has barred Malaysia Today. You can access all sites through MAXIS (even www.m2day.org plus any porn sites) except www.malaysia-today.net.
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written by PHUKETBOY, January 17, 2008 16:39:36
Dear Khun RPK,
Khob Khun Khrab !
Can Maxis do that ? Or is this a directive from Up there ?
Watdeee Khrab
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written by Vineeth Menon, January 17, 2008 16:43:49
RPK has given few hints and messages to opposition.
Hope this will be read by opposition leaders and try to work out on it.

PAS got more to prove to people that it is the tolerant party,if it come in to power.
So, PAS will be very careful in dealing with racial matters compared to BN,if they want to continue in power.
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 16:59:49
Pete,
I'm really glad that you've at last used the words "trojan horse", where3 the opposition is concerned.

Whether the leadership is party to it remains to be seen - but if they aren't, they are doing a very suspicious dance to the BN machinery's music.

I agree that denying "the good pimp" a seat was the best thing that Anwar has done.

Uncle Lim, for all his screaming and showy dramatics in parliament, seems to be oblivious to public sentiment - while practicing nepotism & cronyism & racism (not to mention the possibility of backdoor dealing with govt agencies).

PAS on the other hand hasn't really come out with a statement with regard to the Islamic state issue (oblivious to the founding fathers' vision), but still prefers to shout out about apparently sensuous (that too topless males!!) performances by pop artists instead of addressing the political crisis at hand. (But they don't mind dancing to the BN tune!)

Both are playing the "Trojan".

Right now, only DSAI seems to be THE only viable leader.
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written by rleecy, January 17, 2008 17:03:49
DAP/PAS cooperation was a disaster last time. I am happy with the current status, DAP concentrates in Chinese area while PAS in Malays area. After all, realistically we are talking about reducing 2/3 majority only. With current sentiment, people (all races) will be happy to cast their vote for ANY opposition (knowing neither DAP nor PAS can form govt). I heard from my Chinese friends they are going to cast their vote (be in a protest vote) for PAS this round. I as a Chinese will cast my vote for PAS too, no question ask.
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 17:05:59
Aiyah, in conclusion, PAS is good, and hope they can practice "MODERATION" once in power.
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Yes, Timmy - and they should declare it openly, to gain the trust of the "rest".
They cannot expect sentiments of the urbanites to be the same as that of the man on the street in Kota Baru Town.
I for one was quite disappointed with the quality of life in Kelantan, on my last visit about 5 yrs ago ....
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written by teo siew chin, January 17, 2008 17:06:38
Keep it simple.
What is the objective - to (1) get rid of a corrupt government OR to (2) appoint a better government.
If you can only have one without the other, what would you choose?



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written by mountainking, January 17, 2008 17:14:52
since Maxis also wants to go into politics, then we will just let them be part of it.

boycott MAXIS broadband ....... boycott their prepaid lines ............give it all to Digi. we won't die without MAXIS.

CELCOM being a GLC has not even implemented censorship and Maxis is trying to be funny.
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written by teo siew chin, January 17, 2008 17:15:10
Wouldn't the ones in the opposition who strongly object to PAS be suspected to be the Trojan Arses?
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written by Saint, January 17, 2008 17:19:51
Yes, The Hindraf 5 must be given seats to contest.
One of it must be Sg.Siput.
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written by hiro, January 17, 2008 17:21:09
I don't think it's fair for DAP to be blamed as Trojan Horse. One must be clear that DAP is not supporting the setting up of Islamic State which remains the goal of PAS. I don't think DAP is concerned whether PAS champions Islam as a universal, compassionate religion. The issue of cooperation is political, not religious. There is no reason why Malay-Muslims can't accept or respect DAP's position, because it is the position of the social contract and the nature of the secular written Constitution of this country.

And if the electorates are happy that DAP is in a pack with PAS, then there is no reason for them to feel angered by DAP's denial, because DAP is learning from history, where it stood for justice and fairness and worked on that basis with PAS without accepting PAS' ideology for Islamic State back in 1998. Yet look what happened, the party was rejected by the non-Muslims, no thanks to BN controlled press, which did not give them a chance to explain the actual nature of their pack.

Alternative news media may have grown a bit, but reality is that the majority of the non-Muslims are still in the newspaper information age. Imagine what would happen if DAP comes out declaring it's working with PAS? Wouldn't that mean another disastrous electoral defeat, at the time when Malaysians need as many opposition members in Parliament as possible to stop the rot that's driving the nation back decades, while seeing other progressive nations speeding ahead of us?

Perhaps we should look at the big picture, and instead of condemning DAP, ask ourselves what is the most important issue - the nation, or a political maneuver. If we believe in the big picture, we wouldn't even discuss this point and return our focus to getting together as many electorates as possible to support the opposition - any opposition.
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written by Raja Petra, January 17, 2008 17:30:41
Dear Saint, and the Sungai Siput candidate should be Manoharan.
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written by Raja Petra, January 17, 2008 17:42:57
Dear hiro, Malays, including PAS members/leaders, are prepared to work with DAP in spite of DAP's 'NO TO 929' campaign. This is the anti-Islamic State campaign (929 means September 29, the date Mahathir announced that Malaysia is already an Islamic State). The Malay voters do not boycott PAS and PAS does not demand that DAP first of all drop the 'NO TO 929' campaign before it will cooperate with DAP. Heck, the PAS-PKR Malays even carry the yellow balloons with 'NO TO 929' written all over it (see the photos in the freeanwar.com website). DAP, however, said it will not even sit at the same table with PAS unless PAS first of all drops the Islamic State issue. PAS has never raised the Islamic State issue in more than 4 years but that is still not good enough for DAP. And DAP has always upheld the 'Malaysian Malaysia' slogan and calls for an end to Malay rights and special privileges and the PAS-PKR Malays still wear DAP T-shirts and help carry DAP flags and yellow balloons. We love DAP in spite of its opposition to the Islamic State and Malay rights and special privileges. Why can't DAP love us in return with no conditions attached.
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written by Raja Petra, January 17, 2008 17:48:04
Dear Jefus, the 'horse trading' should be about NO THREE-CORNER FIGHTS. And this must be agreed BEFORE the election and not after. If the opposition can win in spite of three- or four-corner fights, then why the need to horse trade later? We agree to be able to win. If we can win without agreeing then no need to agree.
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written by Bukit Chandan, January 17, 2008 18:03:30
We have added Nallakarupan in our C-List today.

Best Regards.........
bukit-chandan.********.com
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written by The dragonheart, January 17, 2008 18:07:29
The problem with Malaysian especially the Non Muslims and the less pious Muslims, are too carried away with the Mullahs, Talibans, Al Qaedah thingy. They are worry they cannot drink intoxicated drinks, cannot gamble, cannot do adultery etc2...

Hey ..we Asians are not thick headed, arrogant and shrewed like those Arabs. Look at the PAS leaders, are arrogant? Are they racist? Are Corrupted?

They are cool people. Their seniority are as old as UMNO too. They contested in the GE since 1955. They lost (even lost their deposits many many times) BUT they never get violence like UMNO. They were not involved in 13 Mei 1969 even they lost many seats.They belied in democracy and accepted the constitution.

The Memali incidents, they were attacked by the police which forced them to surrender and to be put under ISA. The dead few refused, so the government (Under TDM and Musa Hitam) killed them.

Every time the government pressured them then did not go violence but resort to do mass paryer by tens of thousands asking some like from God. PAS will not fight against the Government or becomes a terrorist . If UMNO is in their shoes, I believe they will go amok as what they did in 13 May 1969.

The non Muslim are crying over the uncertainty of an Islamic state but they don't even realized that UMNO all this while have turned the country into one. So whats the problem of an Islamic state? And to the extreme you can see in Kelantan (and Treangganu) today... But the Chinese and Indians there are happier that the Chinese in KL.
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written by Jebat2020, January 17, 2008 18:15:00
Everybody have actually fallen into PKR-PAS-DAP strategy trap. Even the BN leaders like Najib (see Najib comment at www.klpos.com). This shows that the stratgy works.

PKR-PAS-DAP purposely created the scenario. What they want is to get recoginition by the BN that the pact does exist and the announcement made in all government controlled media.

If PKR-PAS-DAP officially announced they they are having the pact, definately the BN will say "it is a fake pact" and they will go all out to convince the people that the pact does not exist. PKR-PAS-DAP have no access to the mainstream media, therefore, they have to do something about it. And now it works. Everywhere one by one of BN leaders saying the the pack does axist. So, let be.

One more thing, can we from now on STOP CALLING PKR-PAS-DAP as opposition party or opposition government. They only opposition when they are in the Parliament. Outside Parliament, they are just like any other political parties in Malaysia seeking for power.

Can we just call them PKR-PAS-DAP government or Barisan Rakyat governmnet or anything but not opposition government. If we really want them to lead us to the future, we first have to change our mindset and start calling BN as the incoming opposition.
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written by renoir, January 17, 2008 18:21:31
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>Wouldn't the ones in the opposition who strongly object to PAS be suspected to be the Trojan Arses?]]

You said it, Teo. As I said before, first party to say bad things about their fellow opposition gets the brickbat. No exceptions here.

LChuah
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written by NRR, January 17, 2008 18:32:55
I fully support the idea that the Hindraf 5 should be given a seat by the opposition. In this way the sidelined citizens can show the govt that they have lost faith in the ruling party.
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written by jack little, January 17, 2008 18:59:35
Hehe... Why not? And PAS do have place for non-Malay in the party. Even my dad (An Indian - Hindu) is also a town council member there.

And as for Maxis, that's it! I'm going to change to Digi already. Hey after all Digi is Yellow. A major migration to Digi nation wide would be a resemblance of Gelombang Kuning as well. Hidup Digi!!
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written by Raja Petra, January 17, 2008 19:24:03
Don't worry. We have sorted out the MAXIS problem. Can't keep a good man down for long. Managed to sort out some other proxy server problems as well. Those who faced problems the last few days should be able to access the site now.
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 19:40:53
We love DAP in spite of its opposition to the Islamic State and Malay rights and special privileges. Why can't DAP love us in return with no conditions attached.

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Pete,
You are being a tad unfair here aren't you?
Let's just say I had an "opponent". He promotes me when it suits him, but has made a public declaration that he wishes to kill me, although I haven't done the same.
I'd love my opponent too, if he could put me in power ..... forget the placards and balloons - I'd even publicly carry him!!
But would I want to declare my "love" in public, if he's promised publicly, to kill my constitutional way of life, just to "kill" a common "enemy" who does recognize my lifestyle?

What credibility would I have, should I do it?
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 19:47:05
BTW, I think DAP needs to wean themselves off the anti-NEP rhetoric, and come up with an alternative affirmative economic plan that is acceptable to all.
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written by DontPlayGod, January 17, 2008 20:06:21
The dragonheart wrote:

"They are worry they cannot drink intoxicated drinks, cannot gamble, cannot do adultery etc2... "

Those are not the main worries, man. The main worries are: the womenfold have to cover up from head to toe(in this hot weather?), women are not allowed to go out alone, unless escorted by some relative, and if PAS practises Taliban Islam, women are not allowed to go to school or even go to work, non-Islamic religions are banned, as in Taliban Afghanistan, and even in Saudi Arabia etc. etc. etc.

Sure now PAS allows pig rearing, building of statues, but that's because it has not taken over the Federal Government yet. It doesn't want to scare the non-Muslims just yet with these acts, not until they have taken over the Federal Government. But don't worry, as I have often written, these things will happen when the Muslim Malays population exceeds 80%(when non-Muslim votes don't count anymore) and Malaysia becomes a full-fledged Islamic state.
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written by talk3talk4, January 17, 2008 20:13:28
RPK, I believe most of the Malaysian Cina can hear u very very clearly.

Can we hear it from PAS now though?

If DAP is that recalcitrant, PAS can always reach out to the Cinakui directly. Do remember Cinakui mostly vote rationally and not always on racial grounds.

Like u said, there's hardly any Cinakui majority seat anyway, so what is the fuss? PAS can reach out to them just by taking away those worries that UMNO have put in them over 50 years.

From this very website, u hardly hear Cinakui's reluctance to vote PAS, so imagine what the outcome would be if PAS stretch out it hands to them.

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written by talk3talk4, January 17, 2008 20:14:14
PAS is against a secular gov't and DAP is against an Islamic gov't.

A case of both extreme. This is the very nerve that UMNO ticle every now and then to remind Malaysian of how imcompatible the Oppositions are and what they stand to lose if they vote the opposition.

This is where RPK's message must be clearly spelt out to the general public.

PAS CAN NEVER IMPOSE AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY AND DAP CAN NEVER TAKE OUT THE MUSLIM OUT OF THE MALAY.
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written by RichPoon, January 17, 2008 20:17:15
if one of the hindraf 5 stands against samy. he will beat the hell out of him...what a terrific strategy!
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written by talk3talk4, January 17, 2008 20:25:43
Not only the current gov't have failed to show leadership and foresight and to make tough decisions.

The Opposition have similarly failed to show the same qualities.

I know if I say this, it will upset many a bloggers here but say I must.

DAP is the better party so far based on what I hear and read. Lim Eng Guan have gone into lockup for standing up for a Malay gal. DAP have recognised the plight of the Indians prior to Hindraf but Semi Value have brush off their recommendations. Karpal is no 2 and much respected so ain't no dill to stay on in DAP if it is so Cina'centric.

So prove me wrong with my analysis. I can be easily swayed!!!!!
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written by BennyG, January 17, 2008 20:33:23
This suggestion is really thinking out of the box! Excellent. Trojan Horses! No wonder the opposition especially DAP & PKR could not gain strength. Superb strategy by BN.
Reverse psychology doesn't work with quite a no. of readers here. Maybe they're BN cybertroopers?
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written by Rhan, January 17, 2008 20:48:08
RPK,
Emotionally, I share your feeling, realistically, I don’t.

Pas will continue to have the support of the hardliners as long as they preserve their stand on Islamic state, and at the same time, to carry a DAP banner will indicate their openness and might attract the support of the urban and progressive Malay, and if lucky enough, some non Muslim will vote Pas as well. Therefore, Pas will lose nothing. The problem with Pas is that they don’t have adequate support from Malay or Muslim.

Can we says the same on DAP? If DAP will to openly announce a pact is on, they are going to be wiped out, again. Don’t you think as soon as the people have the impression a pact does exist, a few case on Islam issue related to non Muslim will happen and the media will start to boost the strength of Pas, non Muslim emotion become hot, even Bukit Bintang may fall.

If Malay walk on the street, okay. If India walk on the street, still okay. But if Chinese start to walk, I think all the Malay vote will go to Umno.

Anyway, I believe your article is to criticize the non Muslim voter, not DAP.

No matter what we write or says, I hope that doesn’t hinder us to give our vote to opposition, vote blindly is okay as long as the candidate is from opposition.

I hope the Chinese here may learn something from the Taiwanese.
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 20:48:20
teo siew chin wrote:
>Wouldn't the ones in the opposition who strongly object to PAS be suspected to be the Trojan Arses?]]

You said it, Teo. As I said before, first party to say bad things about their fellow opposition gets the brickbat. No exceptions here.

LChuah
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Chuah - I'm disappointed with your comment!

It isn't about "talking bad things" - it is about using the system to subvert our secular constitution!!
Would you wanna publicly declare your love for somebody who promises to subvert what you stand for, and praises you for "opportunity" and convenience?
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written by shamadz72, January 17, 2008 20:56:08
written by PHUKETBOY, January 17, 2008 | 16:06:23
URGENT..URGENT..URGENT !!!!!
MAXIS HAVE BLOCKED MALAYSIA TODAY WEBSITE !

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Then you guys can always exercise your right not to make Annanda Krishna any richer right? Beside there is always other competitor which is much more competent than Maxis nowadays, especially the one that is supporting the Bersih movement indirectly. smilies/smiley.gif
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written by shamadz72, January 17, 2008 21:02:27
written by Raja Petra, January 17, 2008 | 19:24:03
Don't worry. We have sorted out the MAXIS problem. Can't keep a good man down for long.

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But we still need to show Maixs the people's power! smilies/smiley.gif
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written by shamadz72, January 17, 2008 21:05:27
written by DontPlayGod, January 17, 2008 | 20:06:21

Sure now PAS allows pig rearing, building of statues, but that's because it has not taken over the Federal Government yet.

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There is 'NO WAY' PAS can take over his country on their owned when they only contested 1/3 of the seats available for grab. Whicxh part you don't understand dude?
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 21:16:15
Taleban is viewed as anti women largely due to their verbal confrontation they once had with Feminists activists in New York. In the forum the feminist leaders were embarrassed and thus launched a massive lie campaign against the Taleban.
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RC,
Could you pls enlighten us as to how Taliban managed to embarrass the feminists?
BTW - you don't intend to promote Talibanisation of Malaysia, do you?
You don't propose hudud,
and an Islamic State governed by the syaria,
abolishing our secular constitution,
and emasculation of the women's rights movements,
do you?
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written by turun padang, January 17, 2008 21:23:29
Hopefully the One day we Malaysian can see beyond colour race & religion.

As long as we still view ourself as your people and my people...
the current situation we are in now will keep repeating and repeating itself.
The only different is only different player but same game.

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written by Michael Sun, January 17, 2008 21:56:12
The report provokes serious unconventional thinking.

DAP paid dearly 2 GE ago when Karpal Singh and Kit Siang lost. The fear of the non-Muslims and moderate Muslims is the Talibanised Islam. If we have Turkey style of Islam, I think most Malaysians will accept it. In Turkey, you find more girls wearing mini-skirt than a tudong; hotels serving pork; belly dancing and casinos.

Malaysia is a paradox. We try to progress and live in the 21st century and still have 6th Century Medina thinking, culture and administration. We have actually regressed in racial harmony and religious tolerance.

We need to separate religion and politics. The combination of both is a recipe for disaster. The world has seen throughout history that governments formed based on religions have failed miserably be it Christian, Islam, Buddhist, Jew or Hindu.

In a multi-racial, multi-religious and multi-cultural country like Malaysia, we cannot afford to have a new form of racial and religious apartheid or a subtle form of ethnic cleansing ala Malaysia.

Would it be nice that all the races in the country can inter-marry without changing religions, say 50 years ago, we would be a rainbow country by now. Imagine every family would have a Muslim son-in-law, Christian daughter-in-law etc. Then racial prejudice and religious intolerance will die a natural death.

The present BN policies over 50 years have NOT united us at all. Look at the schools these days. In my days, we serve Muslim and non-Muslim food in the school canteen. Today, we serve "neutral" food. The question is "neutral" to whom. Hindus and certain Buddhists/Taoists don't eat beef.

Let us go back to the days of Tunku - tolerant, respectful and understanding. The concept of one's race being more superior is already gone. We are all Malaysians esp those born after 31 Aug 1957.

Let's pray for Malaysia for God to grant us wisdom in voting for our leaders in the coming general election.
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 22:09:50
Dear RC,
I'm against anything that intends to subvert the secular constitution by abusing the very spirit that it stands for - I call those who intend to do that Cheats and liars.
If Islam as you define it falls under that category, you are free to draw your conclusion about my stand.
Now, you don't propose and Islamic state, do you?
Please answer questions, instead of dishing out questions, RC.
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 22:17:30
BTW, by "talibanisation", I meant the idea that women are denied equal rights and education, beheadings or firing squads for "perceived adultery", tribal laws, rape victims being persecuted, chopping of limbs and what not - mind you - these things, most if not all are quite true about the Taliban rule.
I however, do not propose that these actions are all condoned by Islam unconditionally.

(On democracy - remember that it may be the rule of the majority, but it's true test is in it's protection of minority rights)
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written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 22:20:13
Let us go back to the days of Tunku - tolerant, respectful and understanding. The concept of one's race being more superior is already gone. We are all Malaysians esp those born after 31 Aug 1957.
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Yes - Tunku and also Hussein Onn were against the concept of an Islamic State!!
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written by bexe, January 17, 2008 22:32:28
All our politicians are driven by their egos, not the principles and values of selfless service to the community. Therefore our political Parties do not have any sense or purpose of doing good. Fighting for their own agenda results in factionalism. This being our woeful culture we cannot expect any unity.

In addition, our politics has been based on racial,& religious divides. The core of our political landscape is politicians seeking support from pockets of differing groups divided by racial and religious lines. Therefore could PAS allow Hindraf to field candidates on their ticket? Would DAP agree to go to bed with PAS? Too many self-imposed divides. Therefore I can understand and indeed share Pete's frustrations.
How do we see change? We need an inspirational hero-like leader who can change the way Malaysians are used to thinking. Where is he?
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written by cabearth, January 17, 2008 22:34:53
cruzeiro says:
"Dear RC,
I'm against anything that intends to subvert the secular constitution by abusing the very spirit that it stands for - I call those who intend to do that Cheats and liars. If Islam as you define it falls under that category, you are free to draw your conclusion about my stand.
Now, you don't propose and Islamic state, do you?
Please answer questions, instead of dishing out questions, RC."


So to you, secularism is higher then democracy? Plus, no where in the MAlaysian constitution that states clearly of the secularist nature of our Constitution.

Not a single unequivocal provision anywhere in the Constitution.

Furthermore, it's like i asked, if 80-85% of the people of this country wishes to replace the estadblish an Islamic state, will u deny their democratic rights?

Again, i'm beggining to see your double standard. You don't stand for democracy, yous tand for secularism and u want secularism to be shove down every single Muslim's throat if u have your way.

Plus, Islam has existed in multi culture and religous soceity for a long time. Islam pioneered such concept long before secularism.

Why rely on secularism so much, Cruzeiro?

Your double standard is as clear as Angelina Jolie's pimple
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written by cabearth, January 17, 2008 22:38:03
written by cruzeiro, January 17, 2008 | 22:17:30
BTW, by "talibanisation", I meant the idea that women are denied equal rights and education, beheadings or firing squads for "perceived adultery", tribal laws, rape victims being persecuted, chopping of limbs and what not - mind you - these things, most if not all are quite true about the Taliban rule. "



Cruzeiro,

You're as confused as Richard Nixon's US Medical reform program.

You don't even know the difference between Islam, Taliban, tribal courts and rules and not to mention lies and untruth promoted by western medias against the Taliban.

You need to go back and reexamine the facts before coming out with crappy statements like the above.
In short, you don't even know:

a. What Talibanization means?

b. Have they really existed before or not?

TQ

ps Islamic syariah is not only practiced in Afghanistan. It's also practiced in Saudi, Sudan, Pakistan, IRan, Acheh and many more places in the world not touched by Taleban.

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written by cabearth, January 17, 2008 22:40:12
Micheal SUn says:

"DAP paid dearly 2 GE ago when Karpal Singh and Kit Siang lost. The fear of the non-Muslims and moderate Muslims is the Talibanised Islam. If we have Turkey style of Islam, I think most Malaysians will accept it. In Turkey, you find more girls wearing mini-skirt than a tudong; hotels serving pork; belly dancing and casinos."



Wait, in 1995 DAP got 9 parliament seats, in 1999 they got 10.

How is it that they paid?

What made the DAP lose so many seats in 1995? Is it the Islamic State issue too?

I am confused
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written by Uncorruptible, January 17, 2008 23:09:12
I don't think DAP hates Pas. DAP got its fingers burnt in the 1999 elections when it "co-operated" with PAS under the BA package. DAP's stand is more a matter of strategy, and I am sure Pas understands that. Nevertheless, the DAP/PAS nexus is an interesting situation. Everybody knows DAP and Pas should get together to ensure a more solid opposition, and a win-win situation, but..... I believe PAS needs to do something extraordinary to bring this about, to allay the "fears" of the Chinese, so that the Chinese can accept that a government with Pas would not subject them to shariah laws etc.
Titiwangsa wrote:

Racial Politics Then and Now 1

Way back in the 50s and 60s, PMIP (PAS), was viewed with great apprehension by the Chinese community. Their members were not social, often seemed to be aloof and secretive. They could not also get along with Malays who were not PAS members, let alone with other races. Indeed, all-Malay friendly football matches with them frequently ended up in fights. In their public rallies, one could hear them hurling racial, and anti-Chinese, epithets like "If this country Malaya does not belong to the Malays, then who does it belong to?", "we will send them on a boat back to China". All that to win the Malay votes to the discomfort of the Chinese. Indeed the Chinese feared PAS for their belligerence.

The small minority Indians were not attacked; neglected then as now, and were popularly known as "fence-sitters" in Malayan (Malaysian) politics. But not anymore. The lack of development of the community and their marginalisation have left them taking some affirmative action while not exactly what the ruling party wants, but it has at least woke the government up especially with elections round the corner.

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written by Uncorruptible, January 17, 2008 23:10:02
Racial Politics Then and Now 2

UMNO was then looked upon by the non-Malays as moderate Muslims where, justifiably then, PAS was not. With a coalition government comprising of "representative Chinese and Indians", the non-Malays did not grudge UMNO protecting the Malays. Indeed UMNO was look upon as the protector of the non-Malays from PAS!

A whole lot of things changed after May 13 1969. It is the view of many that the incident was hatched and executed by UMNO leaders. In a book The Tunku Memoirs by K. Das, Tunku Abdul Rahman mentioned a few people who were plotting against him then, Tun Razak (his deputy), Ghazalie Shafie, Mahathir Mohamed and Dato Harun Idris. May 13 started in the vicinity of Dato Harun's house. Mahathir was famous for his letter that ripped the Tunku's name to shreds. He was later banished to England by Tun Razak and reportedly, was given financial support by Ananda Krishnan.

The Chinese bore the brunt of the massacre and were thoroughly traumatised. Their protector UMNO had stabbed them in the back, literally. Recognising this, the MCA correctly withdrew from the Alliance (BN) coalition, but rejoined it to the diappointment of the Chinese. Business (read Money) interest became over-riding. Then, the MCA was known as a party of sei-keok-sair (meaning monitor lizards that will eat anything). To many Chinese, it is still known as a party of monitor lizards even today.

Whereas then, more than 90 per cent of the Chinese supported MCA and the Alliance, today the Chinese are generally divided with the majority supporting the Opposition. The former secretary-general of the MCA has publicly declared that none of the MCA leaders dare to stand in Chinese majority areas!

Today, PAS has undergone changes, taking a more moderate stand that makes it quite unrecognisable from the PMIP days. Gone are the anti-Chinese rhetoric, instead it is speaking in kinder and welcoming tones. It is wooing the Chinese and prepared to work with Chinese parties. The Chinese know that it was not PAS who started May 13. PAS does not wave the keris threatening to bathe it in Chinese blood. PAS does not threaten to bring out the parang to chop up the Indians. The Chinese know PAS is not threatening them with another May 13 at every juncture and every opportunity. PAS is not kurang ajar to call other people "stupid, stupid,stupid" or "bocor" and stoop to gutter level politics also in Parliament.

However, something strange happens on the way home. While some Chinese can easily forget May 13 sometimes, they cannot forget what PAS was like in the past! So the past catches up with PAS. Generally the Chinese still view it with suspicion, making it difficult for the party to win them over in large numbers though there are many who will vote for PAS in straight fights. With much dislike and distrust for the very corrupt UMNO today, the Chinese and Indians see no good future for themselves and their future generations. They are now ripe to be won over. PAS has a big part to play, together with the other opposition parties. In the interest of future generations and our country, the opposition must work together.

Now I ask, would it be too much to ask PAS to publicly commit, that if ever they become the government, they will practise full democracy and will continue to hold general elections every five years? And anyone, not only Muslims or Pas members, can stand for elections without any form of discrimination? As it is now? If so, and with its commitment to more liberal politics in which the non-Malays will feel comfortable, there could arise a new equation in Malaysian politics – the two-party system. And hopefully finally put an end to the endlessly corrupt and scandal-ridden BN (UMNO).

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written by miwaki, January 17, 2008 23:14:27
I'm really amuzed to note that there are still people in Malaysia who are worried that PAS will form the next government.UMNO itself cannot form a government if not for the 13 potatoes parties helping them !Our main objective now is to kick the bastard out,not forming an islamic country.Mahathir already declared Malaysia an islamic state ala UMNO and you people are scared of islamic state when you all are already living under islamic state !

No government is that stupid to devise policies that will put the country in trouble unless the leaders are incompetent as BN ! PAS needs 2/3 majority to revise our constitution if opposition form the next government.DAP should reconsider its stand and sit down together with PAS and PKR to effect a common agenda to take on BN for the sake of Malaysians.

DAP lost badly in the last election was not due to its association with PAS but rather the threat by BN component parties ( Potatoes parties) that unrest would be imminent if BN lost in Chinese majority areas and this warning was taken seriously in Penang.BN will continue to use it again this time regardless of whether DAP and PAS have any pact or not.

Penangites and all Malaysians should unite under Oppositions to give BN a run for their money in this general election.
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written by Uncorruptible, January 17, 2008 23:22:26
I know its hard to maintain faith in the people's wisdom in electing a government after so many disappointments. If only they could see things the way we do, and have the courage to vote opposition. Otherwise, how could the bn continue to rule with all the scandals and plundering of the nation for 50 years, and letting a person like Mahathir as PM for 22 years? Hope springs eternal. I still have faith in the people. And I know, we will see a change of government. In my lifetime.
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written by Uncorruptible, January 17, 2008 23:23:42
LET PENANG LEAD THE WAY !!!!
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cruzeiro wrote:
>Chuah - I'm disappointed with your comment!
It isn't about "talking bad things" - it is about using the system to subvert our secular constitution!! Would you wanna publicly declare your love for somebody who promises to subvert what you stand for, and praises you for "opportunity" and convenience?]]

Cruz, my fellow Christian: Churchill once said that when you're young and not a liberal, you've no heart. But when you're old and not a conservative, you've no brain. What he meant was that, ultimately, we gotta do what's possible, not fantasize what's impossible. Reality says that the Opposition will not win the next GE. They'd be very lucky to even deny BN a two-thirds majority. Thus the possibility of PAS establishing an Islamic State is as likely as DAP setting up a democratic socialist state - somewere between zero and subzero. So why make a fuss about the kind of government the other might establish when neither has the ability? Isn't that nothing more than grandstanding, not to say a form of currying favor with BN?

I'm not asking anyone to publicly declare his love for anyone else - unless the object is Keira Knightley - rather, what I'm suggesting is that no opposition party should publicly attack a fellow opposition party , even by inference, as there's much more to criticize the government that has brought our country to such a sorry mess. Just point out, should anyone suggest that DAP is having a pact with PAS, that the accuser must insane to suggest that such a charge could hide 50 years of misrule. PAS should answer in somewhat the same manner, should the establishment attack it for having a pact with the secular DAP - just mention that a just, non-Islamic party is much more favored in the eyes of the Prophet than a party that makes a mockery of Islam.

LChuah
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written by cabearth, January 18, 2008 01:36:09

The way i see it heres the thing

a. First, everyone is afraid of the so-call PAS'es "islamic state". Yet no one knows exactly how the Islamic state looks like.

b. Or PAS actually intends to implement the Islamic state immediately after they get into power

c. and PAS did say that islamic state will not be IMPOSED and only can be implemented with the consent of the people

d. The way i see it, PAS will subject the decision for Islamic State to a referendum in which a 75% approval rating will be required

e. And, what abt the fact that Malaysia is already an Islamic state announced by BN? How come the Chinese and Indian still votes for BN in large numbers despite Malaysia already taken the Islamic state identity?

f. As for Syariah laws as promoted by PAS, i fail to see why non muslims are concerned about it because non muslims is not subjected to the law altogether. Remember the Quran says "No Compulsion in religion".

g. As for issues related to religous identity of a deceased non-muslim but claimed to be a muslim by religous authority, i propose the setting up of a special tribunal consisting of members from Mahkamah Syariah and those of the civil court to determine the status of Islam of the deceased. That way both side can settle the issue equivocaly.
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written by Spear Bing, January 18, 2008 04:07:54
Let's focus on RPK's crux of the matter.

1. [DAP's consistent stand on not aligning with PAS vis a vis the General Election]

It's obvious that DAP is wary of Chinese voters' backlash should they gang up with PAS. This will be further fanned by the MCA with immense and powerful backup by the mainstream media who will, on a daily basis, publish articles over articles about DAP's 'sellout' to PAS- a typical strategy by MCA/UMNO think-Tank. The repurcussions and impact on the voters' choice can be very compelling.

Proposal: DAP should go down to the grassroots, to the Chinese voters and seek a kind of 'referendum' and solicit their comments and viewpoints regarding the above issue. Apparently the DAP's leadership continues to adapt a very inflexible and skewed manifesto. Its about time Kit Siang and his comrades should re-think and review their strategy. This kind of mindset is archaic and surely they have witnessed the subtle changes in the attitude of the PAS leadership.

2. PAS's nomination of HINDRAF'S leaders to stand in PAS's constituency stronghold.

RPK's ingenious proposal will be most ideal for PAS to prove its sincerity to the rest of the Opposition parties especially the DAP. That will knock out UMNO's chances.

3. Teh Tarik Round Table Chit Chat.

RPK should invite TOK Guru Aziz, DSAI and Kit Siang to come for a teh tarik session and facilitate a discussion over the strategy on the coming GE. Make it a NO HOLDS BARRED session. And talk their hearts out.

TIME IS OF ESSENCE. Nothing pleases the voters more than to see the 3 leaders converge and brainstorm and come to an understanding.
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written by mikewang, January 18, 2008 07:11:05
Dear RPK,

I wrote this elsewhere in your blog which I believe PAS should answer.

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If you read through http://gospel2poor.org/jias.htm, you may find that the Kelantan state government has a lot of unanswered questions despite the fair statement by Nik Aziz. ( http://gospel2poor.org/photos-Jias/0514-Nik Aziz.JPG )since religious affairs and land matters come under state jurisdiction.

The DO office demolished the church and rebuilt a community hall to replace the torn down building without the permission of the owner who originally contributed the land for the building of a church.

This is clearly unacceptable !
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written by mikewang, January 18, 2008 07:20:06
Where is the spirit of '69?
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written by PHUKETBOY, January 18, 2008 07:32:35
Khun RPK,
You are THE MAN ! Maxis is up and able to access MT. I knew you will be able to overcome any obstacles.
You always get the right connection. Khob Khun Khrab.
Watee Khrab.
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written by teo siew chin, January 18, 2008 09:06:16
hahahahahaha Renoir, u r funny man! "...not fantasize what's impossible..." - totally agree with you on that. I'd say you guys should reserve your fantasies for say...Keira Knightley - that bag of bones? nah, bad taste! go for more meat!!

Cruzeiro need to log on to more porn-sites (RPK can help with that? smilies/wink.gif) just so to work out that angst hehehehe.
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written by teo siew chin, January 18, 2008 09:18:37
May i venture to say that we vote opposition so's a CCTV can be installed within the government - it don't matter whether the CCTV system is from germany, china or india.
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written by krepot, January 18, 2008 09:32:18
If the opposition lose this chance, for certain, many will give up and leave this country this time round. I have many friends who are already packing their bags and it will get worst, if there is no positive change after the elections.

Yes, it is the last change for the opposition front. It is DO OR DIE. If they can't field the best, then it will be a wasted effort and voters will be disappointed.

As for the Hindraff 5, put the best against Samy Valoo, it is time to vote the bugger out. Shit belongs in the toilet, not the parliament.

50 years is enough!
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written by Birdbrain, January 18, 2008 10:03:52
There's never going to be an Opposition which can topple BN!!

All can be bought with a few ringgit here and there. How do you think the Opposition can survive for so long with just a miserable allowance as YB or YAB? I totally agree that people like LKS, DSAI and some from PAS are true TROJAN horses! Why do you think LKS has been so kind to Badawi and Anwar being released from Sg. Buloh and given this privilege to humiliate the govt.(or Mahathir) in order to make Badawi look GREAT!

We, the honest beings will always be eaten up by the greedier beings! Let GOD judge them on thier passing!

So vote wisely, fellow citizens!
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written by Theorist, January 18, 2008 10:23:43
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Wow
"Interesting theory".


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written by Tan SN, January 18, 2008 10:29:28
I would like to see more young new faces lead the way. Especially making bold, solid decision on a strategy for the best outcome. Old leaders have tainted memories of May 13 incidents brought forward. Whenever BN or UMNO threaten the repeat of May 13 incident, the old one will tremble. My mother felt sad and scare of such thing repeated. But I do not feel a single thing.

To opposition leaders, pls be more objective. 1 1 = 2. As simple as that. If you wanna win, you have to group up. Leader like Lim Kit Siang, dunno whether you are a Trojan Horse or not, but if you badly wanna win, all the years of bashing and questioning here and there even in your blog, you should lead the way the clear thing up. No doubt trojan horses are hard to eliminate, but your voice is stronger than theirs. If they made contradictory statement, you have to stand up to clear the air. Unless, you yourself support the differentiation between you and me within opposition group. If you are indeed, pls step down, let the young blood lead. Not even Lim Guan Eng or any of your family members.
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written by Eddy, January 18, 2008 11:08:32
Yes, to all chinese voters out there, PAs is not that scary at all, infact they are more moderate that those who waive and kiss the keris and says " cina balik cina", for me i will vote for PAS rather for BN.
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written by Ben, January 18, 2008 12:31:17
My family have switched from Maxis to Digi and Celcom with immediate effect. This is not something we should tolerate.

Change is an orphan of the future that no parent of the past can adopt. We don't need another PM surrounded by old political corpses hanging on to him for their remaining pathetic life. Pak Lah is a parent of the past.

We need a man at the helm with a sharp focus on the future of this nation. Someone without any past baggage to carry but instead have ideas how to change this nation without a constant recital of what we have accomplished in the past 50 years. He must be clear that in order to change government you must change the politics and understands that you can't change the politics without changing the politicians.

This is where you, the opposition, stands the best opportunity to garner the support of the increasingly aware civil society. Show us that you can be the parent of this orphan called the future and we will surely put you in office. Not because the government is weaker. We, the civil society (Bangsa Malaysia), want to look ahead to a brighter future while the weak government wants us to look back at history. This is where we will part company. Goodbye!
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written by cruzeiro, January 18, 2008 12:32:30
Dear RC,
I wish my reply was published - but it was censored or something.
Anyway thanks for the discussion.
I wish PAS well.
TQ.
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written by cruzeiro, January 18, 2008 13:52:27
RC, Teo, LChuah and others who may be interested,
Please follow up on the above at http://cruzinthots.********.co...on-mt.html
Thanks.
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written by Raja Petra, January 18, 2008 14:10:38
Dear cruzeiro, your article 'Trojan Horses - Censored Comment on MT' refers. I really have no time to layan all these allegations of comments being censored or deleted. Why are you so bloody paraniod and looking for ghosts under the bed? If I don't like what you wrote I can just block you from further posting comments in this Blog. I never deleted/censored any comments.
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written by teo siew chin, January 18, 2008 14:23:52
Dear Raja Petra

Thanks for your explanation on the deleted/censored comments but honestly SOMEONE is doing it cos even I was subjected to it. Yup, me - one who never has a harsh word for anyone and has so far successfully withheld the harshest for you! smilies/grin.gif

Sigh - told ya we peferred the older version but does somebody listen?

OK OK stop stop, we know it's for 'security'.
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written by teo siew chin, January 18, 2008 14:25:03
oops sorry I meant - Dear Yang Mulia Raja Petra.

dang - and it dont have the edit function!!!!
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written by cruzeiro, January 18, 2008 15:38:40
Why are you so bloody paraniod and looking for ghosts under the bed?
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No lah, not paranoid ..... readlah my email first.
Moreover, I wrote " ... or something" in the above comment, and I wrote to Labisman to verify.
But the comments couldn't be published - twice over - and marked with a big red x in "my comments".
The reason I put it up on my blog was becos I wanted to level with RC.
That's all - not to accuse you, lah.
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written by cruzeiro, January 18, 2008 15:41:06
BTW, I made it clear in my blog that it might be due due some other reason - but I'll change the title, and remove the "censored" word, kay.
Peace!
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written by teo siew chin, January 18, 2008 16:24:33
yo Cruz, RPK is egging you to go under the bed lah - those ghosts could be wearing black leather leotards, cowboy boots and got horse-whips too! So take a chance man, go for it and you might be surprised by the outcome.
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written by almurady, January 18, 2008 16:25:07
As far as grassroots is concerned...there are some sort of co-operation happen between DAP n PAS. I for sure have experienced this in the last election as well our various party work in Selangor. For all your fears..nothing will take away the co-operation we've got from DAP guys. As a PAS worker, I have worked with the Chinese DAP and we got along all fine and further more we got the job done. I believe, the same co-operation will continue in places where DAP or PAS fights BN!!
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written by journeyman, January 18, 2008 17:03:23
"Sure now PAS allows pig rearing, building of statues, but that's because it has not taken over the Federal Government yet."

and you're a ****ing gypsy with a crystal ball.
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written by Mana2boleh, January 18, 2008 17:11:13
A friend of mine told me that his group of chinese friends who have been voting for Baris, is willing to vote for the opposition this round and it doesn't matter if it is Pas.

Sometimes, the three corner fight put up by the opposition might be part of the strategy. This is when a particular group is not so willing to accept a particular party. Example in some areas, some malay might not be willing to accept dap and instead of allowing these votes to go to Baris, they might work out with another party to pull away such votes.
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written by cabearth, January 18, 2008 17:11:39
I noticed DAP and some people who are really resistive to Islamic states really amazes me.
People who are against Islamic state can be summed up in three words: paranoid, contradictory and unrealistic:

Paranoid : PAS will never be able to implement an islamic state anytime in the near future. All parties will have to have a coalition to rule Malaysia and PAS can never rule on it's own.

Contradictory : They're against islamic state but they also show their double standard when they reject such idea even if it is chosen or agreed upon by the majority. In other words, they on on hand advocate democracy but on the other hand will deny the democratic rights of others should they choose to live in an Islamic state

Unrealistic: They go around telling people that secularism is the key to stability in this country. Yet, there are countless examples of secular countries that is far from being stable. In short, there is a long list of secular countries that becomes the prime example of instability. Yet, islamic state detractors goes around repeating this lie over and over again.

DAP seems to fit the 3 traits above.
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written by cabearth, January 18, 2008 17:18:01
mikewang,

I tried *****ing on your url u gave but it was blank. Was it removed due to it's less then reliable content?
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written by almurady, January 18, 2008 17:38:32
journeyman wrote;

"Sure now PAS allows pig rearing, building of statues, but that's because it has not taken over the Federal Government yet."
and you're a ****ing gypsy with a crystal ball
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See cabearth,
this guy journeyman fits that 3 traits as well!!
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written by DanR, January 18, 2008 17:38:55
There are many Indian and Chinese voters who will vote PAS even if DAP opposes PAS.
However no Malay will vote for DAP if it opposes PAS.

DAP has done nothing to reach Malay voters. 40% of Penang's population is Malay (Source: Malaysiakini). How can DAP win in Penang without Malay support?

RPK's suggestion will only benefit DAP.
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written by almurady, January 18, 2008 17:50:36
what the fuss that these people so afraid of PAS, when the non-muslims in Kelantan are happy living under PAS rule...what more evidence do you want?
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written by Rhan, January 18, 2008 18:04:19
What if the winning seat allocation is Pas 30%, Umno 25%, DAP 10%, MCA Gerakan the rest 24% and PKR 11%?

Who is paranoid?
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written by talk3talk4, January 18, 2008 18:12:41
Paranoid:

Can you blame them for being so? Nobody is against PAS per se but the fear of the political side of the religion that may encroach into their lives, that scares them. How do we resolve this? The religion is supposedly a complete system so how now?

Contradictory:

Agree it is. This is the very dilemma the Western has to grapple with. .To uphold democracy with an incompatible Islamism

Unrealistic:

My understanding is that the score card is currently in favour of secularism.
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written by shamadz72, January 18, 2008 20:40:04
written by Rhan, January 18, 2008 | 18:04:19
What if the winning seat allocation is Pas 30%, Umno 25%, DAP 10%, MCA Gerakan the rest 24% and PKR 11%?

Who is paranoid?

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You are. smilies/smiley.gif

is 30% equivalent to 2/3 majority?
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written by cruzeiro, January 18, 2008 21:05:20
Syariah penalties for Muslims will benefit non-Muslims, says PAS
The people want the best and there is nothing better than Islam,'
'It is more important for the Chinese to accept hudud laws because those who steal do not steal from the poor,' he said.
'Thieves steal from the rich and the Chinese are more well-off than the Malays,' he added.
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Wow - Amazing thinking skills, huh!!!

RPK,
Who's the Trojan?
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written by talk3talk4, January 18, 2008 21:27:55
That's because they listened to the wrong source. The fact is that Islam cannot be imposed on non muslims. So what have u non-muslims have to worry about?


I used to be comforted by statement such as yours but experiences tell me your view is either in the minority or that vast ocean of silent majority. However let me stress it clearly to you "I have nothing against your religion" just some of its adherents whom lately being getting a fair bit of coverage. Maybe its a Western conspiracy... who knows!




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written by talk3talk4, January 18, 2008 21:37:53
Aiyah...double check again'lah. No confuse'lah. I no mix up. U mix up now rojak olady'lah. I answer u in the same order as what u tulis'lah.

Anyway, what u said is also korek

Democracy has no problem with Islam, ever.


Sadly, in Europe (purportedly) the converse is also correct.


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written by talk3talk4, January 18, 2008 21:43:38
Actually not, the score against secularism is much bigger, fer instance, the entire Africa continent. Ring a bell???
I give u one though, secularists have selective memory.


I also give one too. Maybe two, might as well'lah.

You win, bro. Your debate style too terror for me'lah.

Remind me of UMNO saying M'sian education system is also very hight standard, world class

WHEN COMPARED TO AFRICA

'cept a few I guess.
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written by malaysian2008, January 18, 2008 22:07:52
It seems like not many people know that kelantan PAS govt.has a chinese muslim state exco (en Annuar Tan), with that it already proof that the PAS is a multi racial party and not only malay muslim exco. who know they may put an indian muslim member to be an exco - If any indian muslim join PAS.

DAP should understand that Our Malaysian have changed, we do not fight or support for racial or religion party only, we support for any party that can rule the country into a better shape than now.

DAP is form long time ago to be an alternative choice to the MCA, and they claims to be a multi racial party? they has karpal singh, but do not have a malay leader in it. We support DAP is because we want an opposition voices and watchdog in the parliment. but that alone can only give them a few seats in the chinese majority area.

But now things has changed. In Kelantan the seat that En Annuar tan won is a chinese majority area, but the chinese didn't scare because he is PAS, it is because he has done a good job and serve the people.The kelantan chinese know that.

DAP is long being serving the west coast well but they has not come to the East coast state to understand the people, the are arrogant b'cos they think they can pull the chinese vote. This time around i believe you put a PAS candidate in the chinese majority area, and I bet you he will win.

We the rakyat only want CHANGE , we can torelate no more of the 50 years BN rule (with more and more of the new monkey species in the ZOO). WE want to see a new Govt. run by an alternative, Give us a choice we need CHANGE. But to make change the opposition or I better use the alternative govt (PAS/PKR/DAP) must unite their effort. It is no use crying over the split milk when the election end.

DAP against PAS on islamic state is not an issue, can DAP stand on UMNO who declare our country is an islamic state,and an ex CJ and our crazy law minister say we should change the common law to islamic law; they can do it bcos of 2/3 majority and they had proved it by just amending the law to extend the EC chairman by 1 year. BIG DEAL -to amend law just to hold a crony 1 more year.

If DAP really against an islamic state, then be a main component member first in the new Gov't or 1/3 of the parliment to fight for it, not just a mere 10-20 seats in the parliment.

In short, we want to see the BA really hold hand in hand this time around to compete and win as many seats as possible; We want to know whether the BA has strength. We need to prove to the BN we need CHANGE.
CHANGE WE WILL
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written by almurady, January 18, 2008 22:41:02

'It is more important for the Chinese to accept hudud laws because those who steal do not steal from the poor,' he said.
'Thieves steal from the rich and the Chinese are more well-off than the Malays,' he added.
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If PAS rule, it doesn't matter the thieves steal from whom; rich or poor.... if he's found guilty by the court, punish him we will!! Law does not pick on the colour of your skin!
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written by Rhan, January 18, 2008 23:48:04
Dear 72,

30 plus 25 equal 55, half loh, can form government right?

30 plus 25 plus 11 equal 66, two third mah, can touch the constitution right?

You think if the one with 30 seats says I now want a Islamic state, the 25 11 would 100% reject?

The non Muslim believes that Umno would uphold secularism, the Umno / Mahathir version of Islamic State is a politic gimmick, this is why we will never want to see a strong Pas and a weak Umno. The title of this report is Trojan Horses right?

As for the good or bad of Islamic State and secularism, we let cabearth and talk34 to find out for us.

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written by Mama Juwie, January 19, 2008 01:37:14
Pak Lah is an ass,
His Cabinet's a mess,
And he made his daughter into a sucker;
When he did invest,
That plump unlucky lass,
To Khairy the motherfcuker.

When this man Badawi,
Invented al-Hadhari,
Many people donated him their vote;
But when he married Jeanney,
Things get a 'lil kinky,
Every night he'll turn into a horny goat.

The election is coming,
He is busy cumming,
While Son-out-law swallows tax payers' money;
With some 'creative accounting',
Plus petrol price arising,
Toll users won't think Samy Vellu's funny.

BN always brag,
That Opposition's a reject,
The postal vote sure becomes a useful bullshit;
SPR is such a slack,
And it's already a well-known fact,
A blonde is definitely smarter than Tan Sri Rashid.

Just back off Musa Hassan,
You're cheaper by the dozen,
Even a kid would love to spit on your face;
But if I meet you in person,
I'll strip you off like Tarzan,
And give you the taste of that Kamunting place.

ACA I give no damn,
Your integrity's a sham,
I wish your boss' mama wasn't fertile;
BERNAMA's a total scam,
IDR's profit weighed in gram,
I hope AG won't lose Altantuya's file.

Yo Lingam you stupid dick,
You wanna taste Tengku Adnan's kick?
You repeatedly mentioned the name of this pariah;
You know that joker's a freak,
A born-loser glamour addict,
Now KJ eyes a free ride in Putrajaya.

PAS is becoming stronger,
DAP gets more supporter,
But BN is seriously losing trust of fans;
PKR you look so much better,
Plus BERSIH's Yellow Power,
Let's wipe the fcuk out Pak Lah and his looney clans!!!
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written by Wisdom above, January 19, 2008 02:19:28
....“People are disappointed, disgusted and alienated by the lack of direction and vision and the missing political will to make the tough decisions the country badly needs,”...

Remember, the new Era of ' Malaysia for Malaysians' .

Do not be disturbed, when changes do come in a twinkle of the eyes.

Be prepared to form and run the new Government.

Remember, events that happened yesterday and today were all illogical.

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written by lokenpal, January 19, 2008 08:34:18
>>>Nothing would be more fantastic than PAS, an Islamic party, offering the HINDRAF 5, Hindu activists, seats to contest under its party banner

Hope this happens!!
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written by cruzeiro, January 19, 2008 09:34:41
KOTA BAHARU, Jan 18 (Bernama) -- Pas spiritual leader Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat who is Kelantan Menteri Besar, says Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) is in "a state of disorder" and he believes that the PKR's credibility is eroding.

He said Pas would not rely on a cooperation with the PKR but was more willing to have a straight contest against Barisan Nasional (BN)..........
"We had the experience of cooperating with Parti Melayu Semangat 46 in the 1990s, then the pact crumbled and they returned to Umno," he said.

However, he said, the relationship between Pas and the PKR was still good and it would continue as long as the PKR still needed Pas as a partner.

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Is somebody subverting the opposition unity?
Is somebody whacking and discrediting/competing with PKR/ Anwar?
Is somebody highlighting distrust in the opposition camp?

Is somebody being an UMNO Trojan?
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written by cruzeiro, January 19, 2008 09:35:56
Or is somebody saying that PKR is the UMNO Trojan?
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written by cruzeiro, January 19, 2008 09:40:15
Or is this just a Bernama spin?
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written by Wisdom above, January 19, 2008 12:06:01
To all vibrant commentors ,who are analytical ,cognitively tuned , positive in resolve...

It would be wise to register a new party as :

' Malaysia For Malaysians ' ,

or " M F M " for short.

It caters for all races.
It is closes to the hearts of all Malaysians.
It depicts unison and objectivity.

It is factual and realistic as her name projects.
It is unbiased as to academic qualifications.

It make sense to the present new generations who want a common identity.
It is vibrant and present a positive cognitive political front to unite.

The ' M F M ' name connotes in itself the Malaysian identity .
She is the equality and fair minded , highly resounded fore front.

Can someone out there register this new political party ' Malaysia For Malaysians '.
I believe she can get a ' sweeping victory' even before campaigning for the General Election start.

I believe the BN ruling elites will fear the very name it connotes.

View of a Political Scientist waiting patiently for the last 28 years for a vibrant change.

Remember, events that happened yesterday and today were all illogical.

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written by tsuchong, January 19, 2008 13:06:38
Interesting analysis. Thanks RPK.

But time's running out. The oppositions better act fast.
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written by sampalee, January 19, 2008 13:15:37
Change is ONLY possible when opp. form the government and not a matter of umno bn defeat.If a state falls to the opposition and the oppositions are pursueing their own party agenda instead of the rakyat wishes,how can the new government be formed?More likely,the Trojan horse will cross over to their master in numbers and bn rule once more.If i wanted to have bn,i can do it direct,instead of giving my vote to benefit those evil moles,many occupying senior positions and are sure candidates.
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written by Uncorruptible, January 19, 2008 22:56:48
WTV 8 - the free alternative MALAYSIAN tv

http://wwitv.com/portal.htm
http://wantena.com/html/pc/english/page/8.html,category=,channel_language=,country=,q=
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written by bn haramjadah, January 20, 2008 00:35:06
talk3talk4 said,
PAS is against a secular gov't and DAP is against an Islamic gov't.
A case of both extreme. This is the very nerve that UMNO ticle every now and then to remind Malaysian of how imcompatible the Oppositions are and what they stand to lose if they vote the opposition

Actually talk3talk4 Pas's and Umno's Islamic state issue are both extremes and illegal. Which should not have been an issue at all if not for our very own mahathir's antics oF changing the laws of the land which are ACTUALLY against the FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE VERY INTELLIGANT GUYS, THEY PUT IN A CLAUSE IN THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION THAT States, THAT ANY LAWS WHICH GO AGAINST WHAT IS STATED IN THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, ARE NULL AND VOID, meaning illegal. what it is trying to say is you cannot change the FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, It goes on to say that Malaysia is a SECULAR STATE, not an ISLAMIC- (THIS WAS VERY CLEAR)and islam is the official religion of the FEDERATION or something to that effect. There have been close to or more than 600 amendements to the FEDERAL CONSTITUTION which is what the Malaysian bar is shouting about, THESE ARE ILLEGAL, IF someone were to bring a case against the UMNO LED GOVERNMENT to the World COURT, UMNO led government will lose. THERE ARE NO 2 WAYS ABOUT IT,IT CANNOT BE CHANGED. THIS IS SOMETHING A LOT OF MALAYSIANS DO NOT seem to UNDERSTAND, for e.g. it is like somebody does not like something in the holy scriptures so starts to change certain passages, you just can't change the HOLY scriptures,It the same with FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, it is HOLY, IT CANNOT BE CHANGED
so bottom line is PAS and UMNO can dream about the Islammic state but they cannot implement it,it's illegal, so they can dream on.
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written by Eway, January 20, 2008 04:39:57
Between PAS and UMNO which is the lesser evil? I see PAS as being clearly an Islamic party whereas UMNO is not. Having a secular government invariably is better than having a religious government as religion I see is very rigid and easily manipulated. Don't tell me how Islam is a good religion. The belief may be good but it is still very exclusive. Even now when we have a "secular" government there are so many people using religion to gain more power, what if we really have a religious government? wouldn't it be easier for it to be abused? It may not be done by the first Religious Government but what of the following leaders? Who could know when religion would be abused?
Where will the minority stand by then? Just because UMNO is a secular party and they show the worst excess of a secular government, at least they still listen to the minority vote. The problem with a religious government you will see divisions by religion instead of race, what then will be the difference to now?

By the way, the Taliban actually bombed a very ancient buddha statue or was it two? Isn't this intrusion? Also, isn't banning alcohol and gambling an intrusion? Just because you don't do it doesn't mean other people cannot do it. So what if we can go to Golok for it? Is it a right for the government to ban it just because of its religion? What about the protests against the performances of singers who does not conform to the Islamic dress code (when they are not muslims nor the people who attends such concerts)? PAS has the right to protest but if they come into power will the minorities be able to do what they want? And I haven't started on the differences within the religion itself! Remember the tudung issue? Many Muslim women wear them but what about Muslim women that don't wear them? What is PAS going to do about them? In fact PAS has been imposing its religion on non-believers no matter what they believe. I don't even think PAS knows that they are imposing their religion on non- believers by imposing the tudung law and the alcohol and gambling laws. This is why a secular government is the way to go, no matter what their worst excesses are. These are the reasons why I fear PAS, an average ignorant voter that has never been to Kelantan. (By the way why do I need to go to Kelantan to know PAS? shouldn't they first look at themselves and see why non- muslims think of them badly?) They have been arguing for a religious government for ages and it is very difficult to forgot about their aims.

In terms of politics what I said is just purely academic. PAS must first win more than 70% of parliamentary seats to change the constitution. In the next election PAS still needs the non Muslim votes, and thus would not mention anything about the Islamic government issue. Another point is that a lot of the urban voters will swing to the opposition. It is the ripe time to deny BN their power. DAP cannot align themselves yet with PAS for fear of losing the non muslim votes and PAS doesn't need this alliance to win votes, so why shoot themselves in their feet? PAS knows it, DAP knows it and even UMNO knows it! That was why Najib and various BN parties kept on harping about the alliance. The 1999 election was a good example. There was so much opposition towards BN but still DAP showed not improvement. Also, there was the Asian Financial Crisis. In 1995, the economy was very good so there were not much complaints or opposition, but why so in 1999? Shouldn't there be MORE instead of less DAP seats in Parliament? In fact, DAP expected MORE seats due to the economice problems AND DSAI's case. If not the PAS- DAP alliance then what then? (their research actually showed that)

You can say you don't want racial politics, neither do I. But with PAS being a Islamic party, we have the added curse of religion AND race. How do you end racial politics then?

PS. what if PAS leaders say they are not going to be an Islamic party but will be a secular, non- race based party tomorrow, (great news for the end of racial politics) what then for the opposition?
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written by Ckchew, January 20, 2008 09:14:20
As usual, it's easier to put the blame on others for their own failure. it's umno, it's pas' it's Islamic state & blah, blah, blah. They are never at fault.

did the running dog, mca blamed others for their 1990 debacle? did they blame umno? did they blame the taleban? & what have they done to be in what they are today in term of membership strength & its percepted image. it maybe hard for some hardcore opp supporters to acknowledge the fact that the running dog has improved since 1990 but then again if we don't learn the lesson from the past even if it's from our foe, how are we going to make any improvement or headway?

the dap are the biggest & main opposition, what can they offer to the people? if they are so worry of pas & umno & their religious/racial based politic, & they are so worked up about defending the secular status, then they should beef themselves up. that's the main thing because it's not others that can't work with the great chinese opp party but it's them who can't work with others & they are dragging everyone down with their bloody behabvior. the onus is on them & no others. but Alas, the title of RPK article say it all.
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written by Rhan, January 20, 2008 10:47:40
Ckchew,

In your opinion, should DAP openly oppose to the setting up of a Islamic State and keep on criticize the racial policy such as NEP? What do you think they could do to reconcile this difference with the Malay who wish to join DAP?





Cabearth

The rubbish I am talking about is Umno version of Islamic state is a politic gimmick, didn’t I wrote that? And Pas version is a real one. The non Muslim never worry a politic gimmick but we are scare to died a real one, read the comment from Eway. Nobody trust Umno but like I say, we are very scare of Islamic State, how? And by the way, who is the major supporters who give their vote to Umno? Non Muslim? I don’t think so.

I have something in doubt for so long but all this while never ask because I (my own opinion) see Pas version of Islamic State as no difference from Umno, both is hijack religion for their own good but since you are a master in Islamic State, may I know what if Pas win big big and Islamic State is here and they start to chop finger, chop hand and chop leg but after four years due to the stupid and ignorant of the people (people always wrong, religion party always right, if we don’t support them, we are stupid and ignorant), we vote a secular government in and Pas loss, so we change all our law back to human law, but what happen to those bad people who finger, hand and leg that is being chop, chop, chop, can Pas help to sambung back?

How to preserve democracy under God law? Who is bunch of hypocrite?
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written by Ckchew, January 20, 2008 11:53:20
Dear Rhan,

does every Malay support the Islamic state advocated by pas or umno? can dap merge with keadilan in order to push for a more multi racial politic instead of keeping on the status que? there is a proposal from keadilan to merge with them but.......

by merging both parties, can't we possibly get what you just mentioned above?

u have to be a true force otherwise it's a waste of time.
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written by Rhan, January 20, 2008 12:39:03
Hi Ck, you make it sound so simple, same question, after merging, shall the new party openly oppose to the setting up of Islamic State and keep on criticize the racial policy such as NEP? Remember there is one party call MCA.

I understand your point. And the coming election will indicate whether PKR is a true force, can Anwar really break through the NEP and Islamic State issue otherwise it is a waste of time to talk about merging and multi racial party.
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written by Ckchew, January 20, 2008 17:56:30
u are afraid of Islamic state & due to the policy, are u suggesting that we must maintain the status que? then why on earth did we oppose bn government knowing that with the same status que, we can't bring the bn government down.

btw, RPK has/is introducing Islamic justice, & values which is part of the Islamic state agenda thru this blog, do u & those Islamophobians feel threaten or any thing? ok, ok he is not a political party & he will not form the next government or there is no Hudud laws over here some may argue, so it's safe over here. or maybe it's RPK look, so Islamic things that he tried to introduce is ok.

I actually wondering whether these people are for real, if the same things (Islamic values, justice, as a Muslim he must accompany his wife without which she will not go to police station,etc) that RPK introduce here were done by pas or pas leaders, will not these people jumped up & downed? what kind of hypocrite we have here, right???
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written by cabearth, January 20, 2008 18:55:44
CKChew says:
"By the way, the Taliban actually bombed a very ancient buddha statue or was it two? Isn't this intrusion? Also, isn't banning alcohol and gambling an intrusion? Just because you don't do it doesn't mean other people cannot do it."




all that i know, the Taleban bombed the Buddha statue because to show their anger with the UN. Its got nothing to do with religion or Islam.
For your kind information, there are a lot of other ancient Buddha statue in Afghanistan, yet the Taleban didn't make efforts to destroy them all.

The truth is, the statue was destroyed because the UN were willing to spend money to refurbish the statues, yet they refuse to:

a. Provide help to Afghanistan's people who were suffering from a problem of drought

b. Refuse to compensate Afghnistan for destroying all their poppy crop thus reducing the supply of heroin in the world's market by 95%.

c. Refuse to help Afghanistan in developing the country when the Afgahnis opted the destruction of their country in place of communism.

So, they decided to send a message to the UN and destroyed the statues.

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written by navascope, January 21, 2008 15:47:24
i humbly start by saying that i have been involved in the land of writing for almost 20 years and would like to say that Raja Petra (and my senior k.baradan) hit the mark superbly with this interesting piece and acute analysis. Are there really trojan horses in opposition ranks?... sometimes it really does look that way. DAP have really need to sit down and calm themselves and look at everything logically with a lot of common sense, as they need to come up with a better strategy than seen now and work together with the relevant parties to come up with an opposition front that can win the confidence of the Malaysian people. And this must be said to PKR too. At the end of the day, forward thinking for the peacefulness and well being of the rakyat, is what is important and always must be for politicians unlike what has happened in the past as the rakyat seem to be one suffering and more so in current times. And Because at this stage, it really looks like PAS are keeping to their promise true and time and again it has always been the case. And u can ask anyone in Kelantan or even in Terengganu and many times the non muslim always only have good things to say about PAS. or when a non-muslim would willingly and happily give his car to the great PAS leader when his car broke down in the middle of the street. Raja Petra seem to extremely correct when he mentioned BN always seem to win because of worst internal strife among the opposition themselves. Maybe it is a bit too hard to be seen that way, but sometimes truth hurts. The fact always remains that PAS have always been greatly tolerant despite being seen otherwise. What is needed now is a fair and just contests for all the seats available, and this can only be done with an opposition team that is based and in agreement of an agenda that benefits the people of Malaysia. Like it or not, BN always seem to come up with better aims that help them at the very right time while the opposition always seem to foul up when it matters most. And see how BN reacts well in the eyes of the people at crucial, crucial times. for instance, PAS came up with a very good agenda on Sunday but AAB then announces that thaipusam is a holiday and i can tell u many indians are mighty pleased and many will not pay attention to PAS' ideology. The BN people too will make sure that more attention given here than what the opposition think or feel anyway. Now whether AAB meant it or not, timing for BN is always right. Malaysian history dictates that. For intance, back in the 90s, the opposition did look strong but for a small, small slip up in SABAH ensured that BN still remained strong and a certain DR M still was smiling at the end of day. If not for the slip up, then it may have been different today. well, it looks Raja Petra is again top notch right when he said Trojan Horses are strife in the opposotion and in my opinion, how sometimes government backed media play their role in making the opposition look very wrong even when they are not. For the sake of the nation, it is time for PKR, DAP and PAS sort out all mess and come out looking strong with common sense prevailing to all. If not, the media that is controlled by the powers that be may once again have a FIELD DAY. My hope is to see justice and peace rule. Whoever is in power, what they must need to understand that they work for the rakyat and not for themselves a fact that seems to be lost in many many countries and it seems our Malaysia too is affected by this disease just by looking at the so many corrupt cases that are seen in the local media. What is important is that the powers that be must ensure that everybody can climb the ladder towatds better as long as they are prepared to work hard and not becuse of who they are and whom they are connected to. In GOD's name (to whom it suits best to call him the they way one like as it is his/her very right to do so) let us hope we can abolish the notion of foreigners who believe Malaysia is a country where common sense is so uncommon and become a country where justice and peace can prevail. Salam.
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written by Eway, January 21, 2008 18:23:27
I don't think Rhan is being paranoid. The islamic law has not evolved to fit the needs of the new millenium. The english civil law has its flaws. But another thing about them, it has been modified throughout the years to fit the times. It could be modified as the people knew these laws were made by people. Can you say the same for the Hudud law? Will there be changes to it? ie, no more chopping hands etc. What about the law about having four (MALE) witnesses when a woman is raped? Where is the justice in that? As the laws come from a religion, then how could it be altered? I know RPK has his own views on the justness of Islam, but he won't be the policy makers. How does PAS view about their role in liberating Islam? Answer this PAS and I'll rethink my opinion about them.


PS. Just because something is old doesn't mean it could not be rejected or critised. Cabearth, you have forgotten about your history. When has Muslims got the chance to reject the Hudud law?
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written by Eway, January 21, 2008 18:26:04
By the way, what is PAS's version of Islam?
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written by almurady, January 22, 2008 00:05:22
Eway, obviously you have done an indepth study of the Shariah Law. It so sickening to hear what you've got to say with only litle knowledge you have. It seems so dreadful due to your ignorant. Didn't cabearth told you that..there are DUE PROCESS for Hudud Law (chopping of hands as you said)to be implimented! Go do some more readings. Analogy of human creation is like the making of a car. All cars manufactured come with a 'manual' where it shows how the car is to be operated and maintained, so that you get the best of the car, as per design. God created man and with him he has given His books as 'manual' for man to conduct his life. This 'manual' include the DIVINE LAW and the final Law is the Shariah Law which has superseded all before it. A Ferari should follow the Ferari manuals lah...but if you go follow the Kancil manual (instead of Divine Law you follow English Law) then your Ferari will definitely ROSAK!! That's why Shalini is STILL missing, Nurin was brutally assaulted and murdered...and there are so much crimes that you don't feel safe walking/playing even near your home!! Why?? because...we are using 'Kancil Manuals' instead of 'Ferari's which we supposed to!!
Hudud is a law of DETERRENCE... when only they just discussed to implement it...the crime rate shoots down..! What if we implement it!! Eway...you will never be afraid again...but then of course if you are not a blatant thief!!

Eway, you can read the Islamic State Document produced by PAS in 2003 http://www.wluml.org/english/n...e-2003.pdf
Perhaps, that will give you kick-start!
Salaam...
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written by Rhan, January 22, 2008 10:09:46
Dear CK / Cabearth

My point is, if you could find three traits of DAP, I can easily return six for Pas and PKR. No matter what one’s own wishful thinking, DAP have their own role to contest against MCA and Gerakan, we should leave Umno to PKR and Pas.

Me and you like to see changes but ordinary folk may not. To some, MT provides an alternative and not the mainstream view of the people. It is no different as when we surf the Singapore forum where you read a lots of curse on LKY, LHL and PAP but that doesn’t convert into true force for opposition party.

Taiwan DPP lost in the general election and they need a reversed of 8 percent vote to win in the coming presidential election, therefore KMT never feel that they are in comfortable zone but here in Malaysia, a reverse of 20 percent vote that go to opposition may not guarantee one third of the seat and we can’t expect 90% of the Chinese vote all goes to opposition, right?

Can Pas and PKR work out a way to win in a constituency comprise of 5,000 voters where 90 percent of them are Malay? I think this is the decisive factor.

To be honest, I also keen to know if DAP is dissolved, would that help PKR expand to area not limited to the DAP traditional stronghold but as I say, don’t look down on MCA and Gerakan. There is too many issue in Malaysia that could spark fire.


Almurady,
“The crime rate shoot down…..” I try not to give opinion on religion but as far as I know, China chop head one lah, does the crime rate really come down? Anyway, I know your reply would be Ferari package must be applied in full. If I study hard, I will pass exam mah.
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written by SUV, January 22, 2008 10:15:27
Indians r now more pro keadilan and PAS.. Indian's anger is reaching a...they r fed wit f*kin china cukangs who always hina them,n d ruling elite who always hina and abuse them!!! smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif...
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written by KuntaTobey, January 22, 2008 13:25:23
It is actually BN goverment with Malay muslim ministers who scare the Malaysian public with Hukum Hudud.

Nabi pernah bersabda, akhir zaman nanti, Orang islam yg akan menentang perlaksanaan Islam.

The realy culprits in Malaysia is the Malay Ministers.
Since the Malay Ministers who started this in the first place, the non Malay ministers just follow the rythem like "dance like canary".

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written by nafis, January 22, 2008 13:28:34
I sincerely hope that DAP reads this article.

If DAP is so worked up about PAS's "Islamic State", maybe now is the time for DAP to turn their microscope and focus on amno's Had hari. DAP could refer to all those excellent writings of RPK which had touched on amno's brand of Islam in their policies to make fuel for "firing" at be-end. amno has so much s-h-i-t in their eagerness to gain back support from malay-muslims that they just keep on piling stupid rulings in the name of "preserving and protecting Islam from the enemies".

Heck, DAP now has so many bullets to shoot at be-end, but to me DAP has been so surprisingly quiet on those issues. And i thought Kit Siang was one hell-of-a-heckler in parliament smilies/smiley.gif

If DAP is really sincere in being the "Opposition", then now is the time to be the "NO to Islamic State" defender. Do the face-off with the real enemy [amno] and please WORK with PAS and please shed the ADAMANTIUM bones in you all, DAP.

ps to cruz: i thought we all had dumped the gomen-owned media? smilies/smiley.gif
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written by KuntaTobey, January 22, 2008 13:31:26
Just give a try to Opposition, than only you will know.

India can change the Goverment anytime.
Britain can do the same.
US also do the same.

But Malaysian people scared to death to change the Dacing Goverment.
I would say for example:- suck the chinese in Penang. They scared to death during last GE for May13. The BN Mnisters raise the May13 issue everytime they came to Penang for Ceramah. DAP and Keadilan told clearly May 13 would repeate unless BN goverment start it. They scared, scared and scared. They topple all the DAP candidates except onle One.
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written by sydput, January 22, 2008 14:00:38
calling nallakarupan a pimp is bit bit too extreme. He was the only one who stood his ground and deny allegations when interrogated by the police concerning supplying Anwar Ibrahim with girls, even when faced with torture and death threats in police custody.

If he is a pimp, he is a righteous pimp, who stood his ground and protected his buddy.

PAS cannot be allowed to rule the country. They are hypocrites, who will show their good side, until they got hold on to power. Then all hell will break loose and there will be no bars and niteclubs for decent girls to make a living.
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written by Ckchew, January 22, 2008 15:59:50
Rhan,

Do u really think that ordinary folks do not want to see changes or could it be that there is no viable choice for them?

do you think that it's a bad idea if one day you, RPK, Mat Saman Kati & Samy Velu line up to vote for a new party president every 3 years during the party election & that guy could possibly be the next pm, & u & the rest would be on the stage to debate on the pro & con of the party policy like nep or Islamic state & so on that will determine the direction of the country? would it not be more attractive to the common folk if the opposition in so doing could be one united force instead of qurrelling among each other even before stepping into the battle ground?

or do u think it's better to have a present day system where 2000 delegates from just 1 party decide on who will be the pm?

the Islamic state issue is a double edge sword for mca & gerakan, do u think their position is tenable even now when umno talk more about Islam just for them to win over the heart & mind of the Muslim voters?

in 2004 in trengganu, why did the voters, more than 90% of them Muslim brought the then pas state government down? Aren't pas not tried to implement Islamic state there? what had happened then?

With our dependence on FDI & on globalisation age, do you think the NEP & Islamic state policy is tenable in long run?

sorry if i make it so simple, otherwise "some people" may not be able to catch it.
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written by almurady, January 22, 2008 16:06:03
sydput, Who r u to call PAS hypocrites... Look at Kelantan - have we plundered the state naked..?? NO!! We even developed the state as much as we could with the limited resources that we have. So...dont be so stupid to believe the bn gomen media and become their agent to imply hate to us! u moron! Open wide your eyes and do a bit of truth searching... dont just stupidly believe things that you read!

And Bars n nite clubs are not for decent gilrs to make a living... they deserve a lot better then that!

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written by Ckchew, January 22, 2008 16:19:35
we actually have few possible choices:

1) maintain the present parties set-up & carry on with the divide & rule policy.
2) if you think it's kaldaai munichi, then pack your bag & do accordingly.
3) because politic is about number, no of votes, members, or supporters, one can start the mass baby production.
4) support a party or system that allow all to participant in choosing the leaders & its direction.
5) raise awareness among the people & equip yourself with the same awareness that no matter what systems the politicians tried to implement, it's our right to go down to the street & protest if things turn bad. we can't effort to depend on the politicians to behave themselves. soon or later, there will be one beruk who will mess up the system & the country.
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written by Eway, January 22, 2008 19:21:11
Thanks for linking the PAS Islamic Government manifesto. I don't want to dislike PAS. They are actually a stronger opposition party than DAP :they actually control a state and could implement their policies, they seem to have more grassroots support too. However, the document you showed me is devoid of actual content. Yes they have beautiful ideals but isn't that what everyone (muslims and non- muslims) want in their lives? There are so many ideals that I want the present government to be: fair in wealth distribution, good financial management, honest officers etc. There is no need for PAS to form an Islamic government to champion these issues. These are what most people want from their government.

On the other hand, what about PAS's views on morality? What sort of policies they are going to implement based on their ideas about morality? PAS's ideas on morality stems from the al-Quran. There are many things that is good about the book, I would not deny that. But what about the nitty- gritty details like abortion, contraception and stem cell research? (same things US is facing today). How is PAS going to deal with these changes? Fairness and justice yes, but to whom the justice goes to? The woman who was raped and then got pregnant? The woman that cannot take care of her children forced to bear ten kids just because she does not have access to contraception? Who is going to pay for her children's welfare then? What about people who steal? Is it more wrong for you to punish the person severely as a deterrent to others or is it more right for you to rehabilitate the person to be a good member of society? How about stem cell research? Justice for the embryos or justice for the person that is suffering on earth? These are all very grey moral issues that in my opinion, cannot be judged solely on the Book.

In terms of the role of women in society, PAS wants to empower women in accordance to their nature and potential and to encourage "healthy competition" between man and woman according to the syariah. What is according to the Syariah? which text are they going to use? How literally are they going to interpret the texts? How can you prepare a new strategic plan for women in the new millenium without changing the syariah or reinterpreting the texts? The current BN government have a poor record on women's rights but PAS's policy on women is too vague (To present a comprehensive policy on women under the heading "policy on women " makes no sense, what do you actually want to do?). It actually seems like a few points to show women that they actually care about women's rights and not a real proposal. Why do I need to know which texts they will use? this is because there are just too many interpretations of the Syariah that could be applied to women and not all of them are fair and just.

There are still many areas in which I could nit pick. If PAS wants to be a credible political party they have to come up with better documents than the one I have just read. I also want more detailed political platforms from PKR and DAP too but at least they don't use morality and religion as their platform. With moral and religious issues must be very careful as it affects people more personally.

PS. The BN government dont' have a good platform as well, but they are the ones in power. Isn't PAS and various opposition parties supposed do better do beat them?
PPS. I don't need to jump off a cliff to know that is bad for me.
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written by Rhan, January 23, 2008 10:58:02
Eway,
You are asking too many unanswerable questions. I don’t think Malaysian will ever accept Islamic State include most of the Malay. To me, it is as no difference when the Taiwan president Chen keeps on harping Independence for Taiwan even though knowing the chances is very slim but this would secure DPP at least 30% of the votes. Pas is less greedy, they are very happy with 15%. The only problem is this ideology thing jeopardize the exist of a real alternative for Malaysian because no matter how Pas present their point in positive way, not many would accept governed by religion. We therefore should treat Pas as one opposition only but never a viable alternative. We need more opposition anyway and should give them the support in votes but at the same time continue to bombard them.


Ckchew,
I feel your writing is sometimes more like a vengeance toward DAP instead of being objective.
Come on lah fren, we are in the same direction mah. I am as ideal as you but we all should know that not many could think out of the box and this is why I try to have more sympathies for ALL the opposition party. I know DAP is not perfect but I don’t see they are that bad either. The moment we criticize MCA is dog, didn't we notice that many Malay love this dog. How DAP could preserve their stand and at the same time behave like a dog to ensure they secure the Malay votes? This is the reality we have to face.

I love PKR ideology and the multi racial platform but they can’t win! We of course don’t want them to become PSM but the decision is not with any political party, it is with what peoples want.

By the way, I talk to ten Chinese MAN and seven is telling me they support opposition, three will support MCA and Gerakan because they believe the Chinese should have a Chinese representative in the government. It seems like many Chinese MAN is with opposition but we forget that there is another 50 percent of electorate is WOMAN. MCA / Chow Mei Fern from time to time talk about Islamic State and DAP plus a little bit on 513 and I believe most woman have the tendency to go for a deemed more peaceful country, they will vote BN. So opposition party must take note that woman do hold half of the sky.
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written by Rozlan, January 23, 2008 12:17:22
Nallakaruppan one of the trojan horse??? smilies/shocked.gifHmmm...NOw I know the reason he was dropped from PKR Ijok candidacy..Ye nade Nallakaruppan smilies/sad.gif
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written by Ckchew, January 23, 2008 13:57:56
Rhan,

u may call it a vengeance, but I won't support a party blindly & won't kowtow just because it seems to fight for the race I come from. it's not my way,Jose.

u may have doubt about my objective but to me, if it's good for the people or a refreshing change, then why not? i may lamblast & call mca a running dog, but if 1 shinny day, they decided to change side, i have no problem with that & the same apply to dap if they decide to shed their chin image & stop dancing to bn tune (anyway some the guys claimed they are multi racial what, right?? smilies/cheesy.gif).
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written by nathan, January 26, 2008 12:46:02
my one vote and the votes of my 13 family members goes to anyone whose against this corrupted barisan govt....who over the past 50 years has robbed our nation of its wealth and has become so arrogant..even to the extent of saying that its leaders saying and doing things as if this contry solely belongs to them.....this election is the turning point for many...malays chinese indian or anyone out there if u really wnted to make that change your single vote is what the opposition needs....be part of this change and restore our country of its pride and status....god bless all of you...
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written by alee, January 29, 2008 03:41:40
Election is imminent. We as Malaysian who love this country must do something to save this country from destruction by the corrupt politicians.

CAllING ALL READERS OF MT,let's use SMS to spread the education. We should take the important points from MT articles, condense them into SMS and send out chain SMS. We should have all all language versions. Encourage everyone to send to everyone else.

We must reach out to all Malaysians, especially the people in the kampongs and new villages !! Let's start today !! Can anyone start posting those SMS in MT so everyone can use ?
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