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They can work in bars, nightclubs, discos, pubs and karaoke lounges. Never mind if liquor is haram. Just make sure they wear a tudung.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

I conducted a most interesting experiment a couple of days ago. What happened was this. Someone sent me an e-mail disagreeing with something I wrote and I forwarded this e-mail to a friend. My friend then replied to the e-mail although that was not the reason I sent it to him.

The brunt of the ‘disagreement’ was the issue about the tudung.

What I wrote in that article (Inventing new religious rituals) was based on ‘accepted’ historical accounts about the crisis that Prophet Muhammad had to go through when his wife, Aisha, was accused of adultery. And I use inverted commas for ‘accepted’ because this would all depend on whether you are reading the Sunni or Shia version of ‘accepted historical accounts’. After all, is not ‘the Indian Mutiny’ to some an ‘Indian fight for independence’ to others?

My article actually ran into many pages with just a brief one-liner about the tudung. But only that one-liner attracted a response from this chap who sent me that e-mail.

It was like me writing about the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and I mention in passing that one of those who were massacring the women and children wore a green shirt. The entire point about the ethnic cleansing and about the innocent civilians being butchered is totally ignored. Instead, everyone focuses on the part about the green shirt and an intense debate is centred on just this green shirt.

Anyway, today, I do not wish to talk about the tudung. That was just a one-liner mentioned in passing and not material to the article. What I do want to discuss, however, is the seriousness of my article mentioned above, which analysed why millions of Muslims kill one another until this very day. We all know about the Sunni-Shia conflict. We all know that Shia means Shiatul Ali or the Party of Ali and it is all about the Fourth Caliph, Ali. We all know that Ali was the Prophet’s son-in-law and that it was he who urged the Prophet to divorce Aisha. And we all know, since that day, Aisha and Ali never made up and that this eventually led to the War of the Camel and Ali’s assassination soon after that.

Yes, there was great animosity between Aisha and Ali, the Prophet’s widow and son-in-law respectively. And it all started when Aisha was accidentally left behind in the desert. The young handsome Arab who rode by recognised Aisha because of the tudung that she wore. According to ‘accepted’ historical accounts, the young handsome Arab had never met Aisha before but he recognised her because of the tudung she wore and that he knew, since only the Prophet’s wives wore the tudung, then she must be one of the Prophet’s wives.

That was all I wanted to say. The article was not about the tudung. It was about how the Prophet’s wife was accused of adultery and even she was not asked to swear on the Quran that she is innocent of the allegation. And it was also about, if the Prophet himself never asked his own wife to swear on the Quran that she is innocent of the allegation of sexual misconduct, then how come they are demanding that Anwar Ibrahim do so?

But do they want to talk about this most serious issue? Do they want to discuss how this dark episode in Islam’s history greatly divided the Muslims, which has resulted in millions of Muslims killing Muslims, until today? No, they want to talk about that one-liner mentioned in passing. They want to talk about the tudung.

And that is the debate currently raging in Malaysia Today. The debate is not about the conflict within Islam and the millions who have died because of it. It is not about whether there is such a thing as swearing on the Quran. The debate is about the tudung, though the article was not about the tudung.

That is the mind of the typical Malay. They totally ignore the 99% and harp on the 1% till the cows come home. They ignore the millions of deaths, Muslims dying at the hands of Muslims, and will kill each other over a piece of cloth, the tudung. That is the mind of the typical Malay.

Let us look at another example of how Malays have their priorities screwed up. People have to eat. That is the basic need of humankind. They also need clothes and a roof over their heads. So they need to work to pay for all these needs. And they work in bars, nightclubs, discos, pubs and karaoke lounges that sell liquor, and sometimes sex as well. Hell, they even work in Malaysia Airlines that also sells liquor.

But do these same Malays who appear upset about the debate on the tudung want to debate about this matter? Are they concerned that fellow Muslims need to resort to a ‘haram’ way of life just to put food on the table? If I were to say there is no proof that liquor is haram in Islam, I would get hundreds of messages condemning me. I would be classified as a deviant. Police reports would be made against me. The Minister would threaten to detain me under the Internal Security Act. Why? Because I said there is no proof that liquor is haram in Islam. Of course liquor is haram. How can I say there is no proof it is haram? Outrage, outrage, outrage.

Would these same ‘concerned’ Malays take the trouble to debate on how to help those fellow Muslims, who are forced to resort to a ‘haram’ way of life, find ‘halal’ employment? Would they diligently pay their zakat and ensure that this zakat money reaches those who have no jobs because they are not able to work in bars, nightclubs, discos, pubs and karaoke lounges? Or would they not care because if fellow Muslims have to work in bars, nightclubs, discos, pubs and karaoke lounges then that is their problem, not mine? They can work in bars, nightclubs, discos, pubs and karaoke lounges. Never mind if liquor is haram. Just make sure they wear a tudung.

Yes, much ado about the tudung. Everyone is hot around the collar because of that one-liner mentioned in passing. Who cares about the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia? We want to only debate that green shirt.

And these same outraged and concerned Malays are very silent on the incident where 13 Umno Penang divisions called the Chinese squatters and immigrants. Look at the message below that has been making its rounds and has been posted on a few ‘Malay’ blogs and websites. None of those who sent me e-mails or posted comments about the tudung want to talk about this matter. This is not important. This is not serious. The tudung is.

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YB Brother Anwar Bin Ibrahim (YB BABI) is indeeed a "makhluk perosak", a dangerous pestilent, and a pestiferous living organism!

This is taken directly from Rocky's Bru with permission, and relevant to the country and so I decided to re-publish it. Rocky received the SMS below and I would like all of you like-minded Malaysians to regurgitate this message as long as it takes to understand the gravity of the problem. This message is especially mean to Umno members, those Malay-morons in PKR, and fence-sitter Malays in general on how warped this Malay called BABI is in his desperate and futile quest to be the prime minister of this country. This is what happens when you take money from someone or a country promising that you can be the leader and then will look favourably after the interest of others, this will include giving free water, which Malaysia has in abundance. Below is what appeared in Rocky's Bru:

"Bru: Everyone's doing his/her countdown to Sept 16, the day Anwar Ibrahim says he will topple the government of Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi. This sms is part of the fever that's sending shivers down our collective spine. This one's about how the anxiously-anticipated defection of BN MPs to PR for the sake of 16/9 would reduce cosniderably the Malay-Muslim representation in the new PR government. Sms received last night after buka:

Sebarkan: BN: 140 Kerusi (MP Islam - 89 kerusi; MP bukan Islam - 51) Pakatan: 82 kerusi (MP Islam - 43 kerusi; MP bukan Islam - 39). Katalah jadi 30 yg lompat, semua bukan Islam, maka kerusi Pakatan 43 MP Islam & 69 MP bukan Islam..jika 30 yg lompat, 5 Islam 25 bukan, maka Pakatan jadi 48 MP Islam & 64 bukan Islam..jika inilah yg Anwar kehendaki, maka dia akan memusnah Islam & Melayu di M'sia..kita berdoa agar ia hanya impian kosong & Allah lindungi BN."


So basically if Pakatan Rakyat under YB BABI were to rule the country, Malaysia will be like Bosnia-Herzegovina (B-H) where after Muslims there being massacred those who were spared were forced to accept a "comprehensive" settlement under the Dayton Accord, which allowed the presidency of B-H to be held only by Bosnian-Muslim, the rest of the presidency (or something like a parliament which B-H does not have) will be controllefd by majority Orthodox-Serbs and Catholic-Croats. Mind you after 350,000 Bosnians are unaccounted for, either killed or killed or massacred or massacred, and the Bosnian Muslim only get the dismembered presidency of B-H!!!!

BABI now you know why I am calling you YB BABI because you are indeed a BABI for not knowing your recent history, f*@k you and your "Serbs" and "Croats" for trying to rule this country.

http://www.barkingmagpie.blogspot.com/

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Anyway, here is the latest news from our 50 or so Barisan Nasional Members of Parliament who are now in Taiwan. I was told they have each been given RM50,000 pocket money. But they may not be able to spend it all from the looks of things, judging by the Reuters report below:

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Taiwan shuts last brothel

TAIPEI - AUTHORITIES in central Taiwan have turned off the red light at the county's last legal brothel after the death of its pimp aged 87, newspapers said on Friday.

Ai Le was the last legal brothel in Nantou county in central Taiwan, and police revoked its permit because the 48-year-old business could not be transferred, the Liberty Times reported.

Prostitution has been illegal in Taiwan since 1997, and licensing of new brothels stopped in 1974, but isolated illegal brothels can be found all over the island. Brothels licensed prior to 1974 were allowed to keep operating.

The closure effectively leaves Ai Le's two prostitutes, aged 40 and 50, jobless, the paper added.

A photo in the newspaper shows Ai Le as a building with a pink flower-print facade, rimmed by a tattered roof.

'Actually, with this sort of thing, there's no real loss,' township government Secretary-General Liang Wen Teh said.

'The brothels may have legal permits, but that doesn't mean all the people inside are legal.' – REUTERS, 10 September 2008

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written by MalaysiaBaru, September 10, 2008 13:14:29


Ahmad Ismail is NOT A MUSLIM !

In the recent Permatang Pauh by-election campaign, Bukit Bendera UMNO division chief, Datuk Ahmad Ismail called the Chinese in Malaysia squatters. He claimed that since they are just immigrants, therefore they should not be entitled to the same rights as the Malays. In another word, he believed that the Malays were not immigrants. However, according to the Quran, Allah created Adam and Eve. We are all supposed to be their decendants. Adam and Eve were put in a place near the present day Euphrates River, in Iraq. From this couple, human civilisation begins and spread across the vast expanse of land that God had created. Hence, somehow, the forefathers of the Malays must have migrated from the Middle East and arrived at the present day Malaysia. The same can also be said about the rest of the race who live in Malaysia.

If Ahmad Ismail is a true Muslim, he must realize that all should be entitled to the same rights. In fact, Quran also stated clearly that God is fair and created all men equal. However, this is NOT the view held by Ahmad. Ahmad believes that Malays are not immigrants. If Malays are not immigrants, the only explanation that can be given is that of Evolution. Perhaps Ahmad believes that his forefathers evolved from the Orang Utans who swung from tree to tree in the deep forrest of the piece of land we now call Malaysia. That's why he claimed the Chinese are immigrants, unlike the Malays who originated from this piece of land we now call Malaysia.

So from his assertion, it can clearly be seen that Ahmad Ismail is an Atheist who believes in Evolution.
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written by Mr Smith, September 10, 2008 13:28:36
Pete,
If you take a look at the classified pages of The Sun and Harian Metro you can massage services provided by Malay girls!!!!!! Some them carry Malay names and phone numbers with promises of even 'urut batin'. In fact most of these advertisements are placed by Malay girls.
If you take a walk into one of the golf clubs in the country you will also see Malays drinking beer.
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written by ahmadneil, September 10, 2008 13:29:03
No wonder lah,these MPs who after all these years have been patronizing Ai le's brothel is going back to attend the 87 years old pimp's funeral.
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written by ibabonma, September 10, 2008 13:30:17
I got quarrel with them UMNO, I want them demised and Anwar rules. That’s all.
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written by ellyna, September 10, 2008 13:41:08
Alcohol is relatively expensive. I have seen my Malay factory operators drinking beer and brandy like hard core drinkers. I presume, drinking alcohol is an acquired taste and first timers cannot drink like that. So obviously, these Malay guys have been doing it for quite a while. So whats new??
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written by K W Waran, September 10, 2008 13:41:56
Dearest Bro' YM RPK,

Your versality in the usage of the English word is what that is causing all these confusion amongst the No Spekeh Inglis kind that forces them to harp only on that "green shirt". What to do? Don't we accept the fact that God never created our fingers to be of equal length?

Sir, you can speak/write about the wood, the trees and the forest even, but Dang! , some would still blame you for failing or omitting those birds sitting on those wooden branches. Sheesh!
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written by Spear Bing, September 10, 2008 13:42:46
A public figure will have to accept the occupational hazards that will entail.

So its not surprsing that a man is measured not during times of comfort and contentment but a man is measured during times of challenge and adversity, so said Martin Luther King Jr.

So the mental skill in navigating this 21st century blogosphere is non attachment and non-identification with this verbal and racial slurs and say death to our ego. Leaders need to transcend their mental thoughts and be one-pointed in their principles in being passionate and committed in their inner stuggles to serve above self for the well being and betterment of mankind.

Truth be told, there is a dire need to contain the 'amok' syndrome in this part of the world. If not, history will repeat itself as what had occurred in Medina.
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written by joeawk, September 10, 2008 13:44:22
That Ahmad baruah is a ***** who wants to be more malay than a malay so that the p[seudo malay can continue to screw the malays. Why does anybody think the bapak pseudo malay is going back on his words and rejoining UMNO.

The malays must root out the pseudo malays who have been taking the malays for a ride for a long, long time. may the malays show some malay dignity by separating themselves and the pseudo malays.
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written by Mirage, September 10, 2008 13:48:38
Is he high on grass? I can swear that he look like he is high on grass. Nobody in a saint mind and having merdeka fo 51 years would say something like that, leave alone head of a branch.
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written by sjs, September 10, 2008 13:53:17
Raja Petra Kamarudin,

We must be true to our belief that the new Malaysia must be the “People’s Malaysia”! I request that you change the picture of the leaders under Corridors of Power’ to one that shows multiracial make-up of Malaysia! I hate to see the picture of corrupt Mahathir and Abdullah, every time I read articles under “Corridors of Power” While we acknowledge the current leadership is corrupt to the core, but we are condoning it!
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written by gogsard, September 10, 2008 14:06:20
I suggest who reads RPK article, read it at least 3 times. Then take a 10 mins break to digest. Then you can leave a comment.
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written by Frankfurtguy, September 10, 2008 14:08:39
any person with reasonable mind will not ignore 99% and clinch on the 1% (in fact the one liner about "tudung" is less than 1%)

They just want to catch any word(s) that they can talk or they can catch RPK
These people are crooks and no brainer They keep on missing the point, or purposely missing the point so that they can mislead us

Hello, friends! Our brain are 99% power pact Only brain of you guys are 99% empty!! You think we are rakyat of 1950's or 1960's stupidity and tunnel-vision you are.....hopeless guys
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written by WANZAH1, September 10, 2008 14:09:21
NOTE: Posting removed due to impolite "shouting"
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written by gogsard, September 10, 2008 14:18:22
Aiyo Wanzah. RPK just said it. Its NOT about the GREEN T-SHIRT !
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written by cheemengwong, September 10, 2008 14:32:45
Can you allow me to say this... How can Malaysia be a Muslim country! Will the goverment charge me for sedition if I have said that?

Let me give you some reasons why I want to say like that.

a. We have a Casino operating 24 x 7
b. We have 4 D shops everywhere execpt in Kelantan
c. We have bars, pubs selling liquor till dawn.
d. We have massage parlours providing sex services in most 5 star hotels.
e. We have Muslim ministers like Ahamd saying that apart from Malays, Chinese and Indians cannot have equal rights as citizens of Malaysia.
f. We even have a Prime Minister who practice Islam Hadhari?
g. We have Immigration directors charged for corruption but prays 5 times a day.
h. We have the National Airline serving liqours.
i. Companies involved in liqour, gambling, massage pays taxes and the money in turn being used to build mosque for praying to Allah. Should these companies not pay tax but asked to built roads instead. If like that is it haram to use the road build from sin money?

When does the Government want to do away with Gambling and Liqour? 50 years is long time for no action lah.

Please clarify. Tudung is a piece of textile.

How? Is what is say true?
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written by teo siew chin, September 10, 2008 14:37:42
"...they have each been given RM50,000 pocket money..."
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let me slowly digest this to link with your posting regarding the brothel ... which is about being a prostitute, right? smilies/wink.gif
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written by ahmadneil, September 10, 2008 14:42:27
Dear RPK, You have to pay me RM6 for the Nasi Lemak becos why.You know after reading about the 86 years pimp,I laugh and whatever that I have eaten is now all over the floor.I have to go and buy a new underwear.You owe me a beer.By the way are these MPs giving some pocket money for the 2 jobless pimps.They better do or otherwise these two pimps will start giving RPK names of those who patronize them.WOW,that would be news of the year.
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written by SocratesI, September 10, 2008 14:48:32

Wanzah1 is the epitome of the people RPK talked about regarding the tudung and the green shirt ! Maybe that is all they can focus on and understand, the small, irrelevant issues !

Teo SC is right, Malaysia has "exported" prostitution to Taiwan, in that, the BN MPs who accepted the RM50,000 to go on the trip to Taiwan are no more than prostitutes, and cheap ones at that (RM50,000 / 8 days = RM6,250 per day) cheaper than some social escorts !!

I would also like to open the hornets' nest by stating that LIQUOR IS NOT HARAM IN ISLAM !! Nowhere in the QURAN will you see that liquor is classified as haram ! Pork, yes, because of swine fever that was on an epidemic scale at that time.

What the Quran actually says is that a good Muslim must never be intoxicated to the extent that he loses control of his actions. JJ didn't need to be drunk to have behaved in the manner described by Wanzah1 ... he is capable of doing that without being drunk and he was just pretending he was under the influence of alcohol, as Dutch Courage !

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written by Super Admin, September 10, 2008 14:49:22
WANZAH1, you better get some professional help. Boy, do you need it.
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written by SocratesI, September 10, 2008 14:59:39

Actually, Pete, it is quite natural for people to focus on the 1% and lose sight of the 99%.

Let us conduct an experiment. If you draw a black dot (say, 1 mm in diameter) in the centre of a white card (size of a name card), when you show it to people and ask them what they see, almost everyone will tell you they see a black dot ! And then when you point out that there is white card too, they blink at least twice, before saying either "Oh ya ... hor" or "So ... what has that got to do with the black dot ??" People, Hah !!

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written by Msiasky, September 10, 2008 15:00:42
Wanzah1,
You still miss the point Pete try to bring out.

So if base on your point, arak is haram. Very good point and do you know that with this point alone there will be many many Muslin can not work in Mas Airline. Why I say so because I did drink alcohol serve by the MAS cabin crew and MAS Airline serve alcohol. (Pete bring up this point in one of his article)

So now, the 3 millions foreign workers (referring in your message as immigrant) will increase much more because Muslim is more difficult to cari makan.

I can only say this, you PROVE Pete is right in this article. 99% vs 1%
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written by cwy, September 10, 2008 15:06:14
"And these same outraged and concerned Malays are very silent on the incident where 13 Umno Penang divisions called the Chinese squatters and immigrants."

Many Malays are mentally retarded by the UMNO's "Ketuanan Melayu"!
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written by Ijalz, September 10, 2008 15:10:16
Come on RPK, lately "no holds barred" have been a bit uninspiring & boring....i know u're doing this to piss "some people" off.......U, also shouldn't be so fixated with the "green t-shirt"....
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written by chipon, September 10, 2008 15:18:35
RPK, please lah. Ilmu itu harus bersandarkan iman. Don't go against the wearing of tudung just because ur wife doesn't so. You said "any person with reasonable mind will not ignore 99% and clinch on the 1% (in fact the one liner about "tudung" is less than 1%) " Come on, this is where the proverb of "KERANA NILA SETITIK, ROSAK SUSU SEBELANGA' comes in.

And don't make urself look like an anti-hadith agent. U hav to consider both Quran Hadith to help u understand Islam. Both. And there are reasons why the Prophet instructed the Muslims to obey the Musyawarah's Ijtihad, not just obey to what ur sole logic thinks. I support u for ur good deeds in promoting democracy in this country. But when it comes to Islam, it seems that there's something wrong with u pete. And it seems that ur highest ego level can be seen when u'v never admit ur unwise statement about Islam.

But anyway, what's important now is to bring BN down!
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written by aryn, September 10, 2008 15:29:23
RM50,000 only? Don't even bother to get out of bed. Thought its more than that.

At least babi need not have to answer God for any sins but those calling others name, I guess is lower than an animal.
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written by Vanquish, September 10, 2008 15:31:41
Wow, nice "trap" you set there (the "tudung article) for the ignorants, bro RPK... Hehehe... smilies/grin.gif
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written by chipon, September 10, 2008 15:38:04
The only way to stop Muslim from having anything to do with Liquor is to promote Islamic Law to Muslims!

There's nothing wrong having liquor shops, biggest casinos, 4D shop, pig farming, discos, karoeke lounges, sex club etc etc..Non-Muslim can still have those..no worries.

Thats why Islamic Life is the way to help the Muslims of this country.
And because of that that I trust Anwar Ibrahim. He was President of ABIM. His inner lifestyle didn't change untill now. He is Islamic. He will definitely encourage all the Islamic Movements/Group in Malaysia to promote Islamic Way of Life. Trust me on this.
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written by Vanquish, September 10, 2008 15:41:56
"And these same outraged and concerned Malays are very silent on the incident where 13 Umno Penang divisions called the Chinese squatters and immigrants."

Sigh... This is, unfortunately, quite true... smilies/sad.gif
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written by FFT, September 10, 2008 15:42:05
LMFAO!!! In addition to the closed brothel, a 6.1 magnitude earthquake hit Taiwan just as soon as the last batch of BN bozos arrived there.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/c...012163.htm

At this point, they should start taking a hint.
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written by cruzeiro, September 10, 2008 15:51:37
Dang!
Pete - I did wonder why an article that didn't really discuss the tudung was being the point of reference in the "great tudung debate"....
I thought I had missed it somewhere along the line!
Now you tell me that there was no such article?

Then we have these guys like wanzah screaming out their ignorance - I actually bypassed(as I do with all screamers) it until I noted your reply .....

Pete, some are just "thick like a brick" (that reminds me of Tull...).
Why don't they just click on the ads above (like Suami Anda Pancut Awal?) and not advertise their ignorance, only god knows ....
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written by freelancer, September 10, 2008 16:00:35
Dear Pete.
Stick to only one source of reference for Islam and that is referring to only what is written in the Quran. If you don't believe in hadith, then don't read them at all. Just read the Quran for guidance. That way you don't get yourself confused.
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written by truthbespoken, September 10, 2008 16:17:58
Bah! Too much talk on religion always create more confusion and constipation.

Be realistic people! Religion is not everyone's main course for sure and it will always remain so till thy kingdom come, whether you like it or not. There is just no need to go on harping on it day in and day out. It's sooooo boring knowing that whatever one say or quote from religious scriptures will always be disputed by others somehow, anytime of the day, you bet.

Our time, instead of arguing about religion, should be put to more productive use to see how the daily bread of the people can be met and the living standard of the people be further uplifted. God has his own better reasons for placing us here.

I dare say so because NOBODY will ever be right or wrong on this subject of religion, never, ever! Period!
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written by Super Admin, September 10, 2008 16:27:12
Ijalz, you mean you also think that talking about the tudung is more important than trying to prevent another May 13 that the Umno Penang cows are trying to start?
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written by WANZAH1, September 10, 2008 16:31:45
NOTE:Comment removed for impolite shouting
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written by Super Admin, September 10, 2008 16:37:59
chipon, please speak in English.
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written by Wudan, September 10, 2008 16:39:58
Ada 'burung murai' sudah kena cabut ekor. Kah kah kah
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written by cruzeiro, September 10, 2008 16:43:07
Hoi wanzah,
Stop crying - it was becos you insist on shouting with uppercase!
Don't be so "Thick"!
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written by teo siew chin, September 10, 2008 16:48:37
It probably will be appreciated if future articles be in the most simplistic form becos it is quite apparent that the words/phrases used may be a tad too tough for many to grasp. Unless if in sms-form? smilies/grin.gif
It's a pity but such is the reality.
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written by charcoy feng, September 10, 2008 16:49:00
Who the hell owns and patronizes hundreds of dangdut joints scatterd all over the country??? Never seen any hallal sign at any of the entrances....
Umno Penang Cows - It's high time to contain the mad cow disease. As Usual... Prevention is better than cure.
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written by Super Admin, September 10, 2008 16:50:34
WANZAH1, pergi main jauh-jauh sikit.
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written by DezMalaysia, September 10, 2008 16:53:08
"Sometimes the dUMBOs just dont get it... and they have nothing at all in their heads after 51years !"

That's the best way to describe em' !
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written by teo siew chin, September 10, 2008 16:59:54
Dear Socrates1 - good experiment! And I have been told that it is very difficult to see the big picture when one is inside the picture. smilies/grin.gif
As for playing with words...the unpunctuated "The teacher said he is a fool" situation abounds.
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written by kawaafi, September 10, 2008 17:03:01
Salam RPK,
I ignored your one liner tudung in the Aisha vs Ali article as well. The Aisha vs Ali story had been discussed widely in a different forum and blog. This blog is about for a better Malaysia and down with the BN/UMNO. Lets focus on that.
I commented on the e-mail tudung issue (even though its a bit wierd you were posting that article) because ur friend response is blatantly wrong and I have some points to make. I would be the 'silence satan' if i were to ignore the ignorance.
I totally agree on the fact that there is no mubalahah in the case of saiful vs DSAI. Or the one where Najib was doing everywhere to swear ^$^%*(&^%^$..
But I do not have anything new to say but "I agree with you" and not about to curse nobody for that reason. So keeping quiet does not mean i did not support what you are saying or agree with the other side.
But for you to post an article and trap your blog members is uncall for.. If you have problem with that one guy who send you the email than settle it with him ya..

regards
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written by laksa maner, September 10, 2008 17:08:18
YM RPK, I am totally agree with you.

BN especially UMNO do nothing to develop Muslim career. They never do their job and survey where are the Muslims in Malaysia working. If they don't know where, then of course they don't ask why & how it happened. What about to propose how to resolve the problem.

Muslim sometimes have to take the job because government not creating enough job for them. Even, the grads also jobless. Gomen with their own interest, bring over the other nationality to allow to enter our country and to be employed. To them, janji dia dapat hasil dari supply manpower & approved permit cukup lah.

How bad living in Malaysia as citizen.
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written by redwine, September 10, 2008 17:08:18
That is why religion must not get separated with life/politics. Due to this separated, we got muslim in tudung work at bar/disco/pub/karaoke lounge, muslim drink beers, muslim corrupt and use the corrupt money to perform Hajj, muslim shouting at non-muslim as immigrant and so many. Therefore, I must object the secular state that most of you people bring up. Religion must get well fix with politics(siasah). Even when you read RPK articles, and he talk about Islam to defy UMNO's bad.

7-Eleven also serves beer/liquor and many of the workers there wear tudung.
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written by DezMalaysia, September 10, 2008 17:08:46
Hmmm... this article reminds me of something that RPK had mentioned before on the Selangor's Projek Babi Negara...

Makan BABI haram, Untung dari perniagaan BABI, OK ?

For the dUMBOs, sure OK mar... they practice distorted version ever since the Hadhari version was launched.
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written by teo siew chin, September 10, 2008 17:10:01
Dear WANZAH1 - please calm down, take your time and post your comment again.
Do it is a language you are comfortable with even.
I really want to know what it is you are trying to state.
Just keep it simple.
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written by Raja Petra, September 10, 2008 17:13:07
kawaafi, I am glad you brought up that 'silent Satan' point. That, coincidentally, is exactly my point.

freelancer, yeap, I have to admit it, I am confused - confused why Malays bikin tak serupa cakap and cakap banyak pasal Islam tapi tak ikut.
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written by laksa maner, September 10, 2008 17:20:50
wanzah1,

That's why we must reject UMNO & BN totally. SIMPLE. If talk about UMNO morons, I guess u know more than me. Sometimes for certain of them, there is no more word to say.
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written by SocratesI, September 10, 2008 17:21:39
Wanzah1 is unrepentant ! He should go read the Quran and have a good stiff drink while he is at it, so that he won't misinterpret the Quran again !!

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written by smalluncle, September 10, 2008 17:26:14
are you sure about the alcohol part? I remember One Y Babi Besar was so mabuk, he pinch a waitress backside. Probably he drank Halal beer?

Eh, I thought Polis R D M promise to investigate?Y so quite? Maybe like DPP Yusof said in Court today, " tis matter is NOT of pulic interest? "

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written by Ben, September 10, 2008 17:28:10
I am a stickler for proper grammar and usage in my own writing. Bad writing makes a very negative first impression on me as well. I think that if we're a people who share a common language, we should all speak and write it correctly.

Every language has its complexities, of course, but most are in some way simpler. In Malay, once you've learned the sounds of all the letters, you can pronounce anything. The sounds don't change as ours do. In Mandarin, there are no plurals; they say one dog, two dog, and three dog. In German, all the nouns are capitalized. In Spanish, they don't even bother with a word for the concept "it." They just skip the whole thing. If that thing over there is red, they say "is red." Done.

English is also much more concise and less wordy. We can say more in less words, which is one of the reasons that English is the official language of air traffic control worldwide. Please carry on.
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written by cahaya, September 10, 2008 17:29:35
Dear Pete

Why do some see individual trees while others see a forest? Why did someone focus on the “tudung” one-liner while others could appreciate your entire article? The reason is cultural. An individualistic mentality versus a collectivist mentality. David Brooks, “Harmony and the dream”, IHT, 12 August 2008, explains it like this:

The world can be divided in many ways - rich and poor, democratic and authoritarian - but one of the most striking is the divide between the societies with an individualist mentality and the ones with a collectivist mentality.
If shown a fish tank, the individualistic will describe the biggest fish, while the collectivist will describe the fish tank, the context in which the fish swim.
The individualistic countries tend to put rights and privacy first. People in these societies tend to overvalue their own skills and overestimate their own importance to any group effort. People in collective societies tend to value harmony and duty. They tend to underestimate their own skills and are more self-effacing when describing their contributions to group efforts.

This cultural bias probably overflows to politics. As I see it:
Leaders in a self-centred individualistic party will overvalue their own importance, their race or religion, and hence play racial politics.
Leaders in a collectivist party, however, will value the entire community, therefore they will promote multi-racial relationships and multi-religious harmony.

William Leong (PKR, MP for Selayang) wrote recently that racial politics has no future:
Barisan Nasional should stop playing the racial card. They should stop trying to create divisions and strife for their political survival. . . . The world has rejected racial politics long ago. It is only the Barisan Nasional that still uses racial politics. It is because of Barisan Nasional policies that we still have not become an integrated society. It has taken 51 long years but finally the Malaysian people on March 8, 2008 rejected racial politics and on August 26, it was buried in Permatang Pauh. . . . .what is important is that Barisan Nasional and its component.parties accept that racial politics is dead.
http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/12327/84/

Thanks again for your efforts. Hidup Bangsa Malaysia!
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written by dkkl, September 10, 2008 17:35:41
Wearing tudung? Is malaysia gonna hit by sand storm? Ok, then I will wear the ninja turtle suit cover from head to toe....
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written by slash n burn, September 10, 2008 17:45:44
Babi still can be eaten during emegency/darurat/war not to full but just enough to keep you alive. No wonder Projek Babi Negara is viable, maybe Khir Toyo forseen darurat in near future.
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written by johntyc, September 10, 2008 17:54:52
Mungkin Wakil Rakyat BN yang lompat ke PR terdiri daripada 15 yang Islam dan 15 yang lain bukan Islam. Siapa tau?

Anwar berhasrat untuk menegakkan kebenaran dan keadilan. Maka, tak salah sekiranya agak ramai orang bukan Islam memberi sokongan kepadanya. Saya percaya adalah lebih ramai orang Islam dan orang Melayu yang menyokong Anwar, PKR serta PR daripada yang menyokong UMNO dan BN.

Semoga Allah melindungi Anwar serta mereka2 yang bertaubat.
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written by WANZAH1, September 10, 2008 17:58:55
NOTE:Comment removed for impolite shouting
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written by kawaafi, September 10, 2008 18:16:09
Salam RPK,

Silence Satan refered to someone who is keeping quiet on the wrong matter in front of him while he has the knowledge, and able to counter with some points. Keeping queit is a better option than post something stupid or curse people for no reason.

dkkl,
Muslim women wear tudung not because sand storm but to follow (in practice) the word of GOD. For you to say what you had posted, made you at the same with the stupid Ahmad Ismail to say Chinese is 'menumpang' in Malaysia.
And we are suppose to talk about a better Malaysia?

regards
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written by Mik, September 10, 2008 18:45:09
This is funny. From the comments, i see that most of the readers still don't understand what RPK is saying. Dear rpk, are you going to write another article to explain this article ? *lol*
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written by gogsard, September 10, 2008 19:16:01
Pete, I think you should prepare another write up to unlock the "mystery" of this article, like u did with the this piece.
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written by gorshan, September 10, 2008 19:23:26
so if arak is haram then what was in that cup Jesus(Nabi Isa) was passing around among his disciples, air sirap?

i m not trying to instigate anyone here,just needs to know
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written by Durnfordi, September 10, 2008 19:31:11
Hi Wanzah1, I think I understand what you're trying to say regarding the tudung and arak. I think what RPK is trying to point out here is that while these things are important, there are other things that is just as important in Islam like justice. I have great respect for Islam though I'm not a Muslim. Just that it seems a lot of Malays pay more attention to things like tudung but ignore the other aspects of Islam that is just as important. Perhaps we are missing something in between. I think we need to have the right balance. Thank you
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written by lynn, September 10, 2008 19:46:43
RPK,
You can talk until the cows come home & some people just cannot grasp the salient points. This inability to think logically, in an organised manner, their lacking sense of perception is probably due to their upbringing/ background, inferior education, etc. Our education policies are not designed to "encourage" logic & reason. If you speak to a Malaysian 16 yr old and one from the US, you would find a world of difference between the two. One is articulate & confident while the other grope around with wrong words, bad pronunciation & generally sound like a moron. It's our education system, lah. It's designed to create generations of less-smart people who are easily controlled and manipulated. Try telling them the truth, they get angry. Try giving out the truth, you may be charged for sedition. Pathetic.

Some days I wonder where you got the patience to explain to these people. But I salute you, RPK, you are one in a hundred million & Malaysians are so lucky to have you. Thank you for everything.
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written by SocratesI, September 10, 2008 19:50:57
WANZAH1,

Socrates was a philosopher, not and never was a god !! Dionysus is the Greek God of Wine if you would like to know !

Are Muslims so short of Faith and Strength that they cannot restrain themselves from being intoxicated by liquor, if there are no Syariah laws banning them from consuming alcohol ??!! Is that what you are saying ?? Your Ustaz in school probably just tried to keep it simple then to say that liquor intoxicates man and therefore is an evil drink. I would still challenge him, and you to find me that clause in the Quran to say that Muslims are banned from drinking alcohol !

Anyway, we digress from much more important issues ...
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written by Liberace, September 10, 2008 20:48:55
Wanzah 1,

I missed your comment but if it's been removed, my bet is that it was a very rude piece of work. You can disagree as many do on MT, but let's keep it civil. Given the state of your English, perhaps you should also get someone to explain what RPK is trying to say. That should save everyone a lot pain.
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written by Ijalz, September 10, 2008 20:52:51
Dear RPK/Super Admin (whoever u are)

Nowhere in my comment did i mention about tudung, my comment was directed in question of RPK's recent choices of articles. Dont put words in peoples mouths if u dont understand them. U're starting to sound like an Utusan editor...
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written by Old Man, September 10, 2008 21:10:39
Sir RPK,
Probably, the Govt is telling the Raykat that giving RM50,000/= each for the MP to spend in Taiwan is like giving school going children RM5/= for them to spend for the day.
The sleepy PM is an example of a Chinese Emperor who was brought down by his subjects.
When one of the Ministers told him, "Your Highness, the people got no rice to eat." The Emperor answered, "Then tell them to eat meat balls!"
Wonder when will the sleepy Playbody wake up?
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written by hamid, September 10, 2008 22:20:16
Yes! you are right RPK, Muslims are ungrateful people! They bite the feeding hand, see the Indonesian Muslims..... usually the US the one that help them first hand in case of any disaster but yet they hate them like anything. Same goes to Malaysian Muslim's, more then 80% of the country tax paid by non-muslims, Muslims don't find it disturbed, but if the non-muslims MPs are more then Muslim's in parliament will make them go crazy.

I use said to every Muslim's, "the great enemy to Muslims is another Muslim's" unfortunately they don't realize that!!
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written by Sofiyant, September 10, 2008 22:27:35
How stupid is stupid? smilies/shocked.gif
Do you want to discover that? Or your friends, relative or anyone wondering to know such important question.smilies/cool.gif

Please asked them to read Malaysian newspapers & watch local TV news related to Politics, Malays & Muslim. Guarantee you will discover it smilies/wink.gif smilies/grin.gif

Malaysian Gov love holidays. Why so much noise 50 MP's went to Taiwan? Why? Nothing new what... We spend millions to send a p.nd.n to space do nothin, nowdays just being celebrity.. forgotten that?. Please laa..
Shame..shame..memalukan..muslim ppl. Nothing new about tudung story & the main point you making Pete. Lemah fikiran, can't take difficult things that needs to be given tought, easy going things are welcome...haha..
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written by hamid, September 10, 2008 22:30:53
I used to said to every Muslim's, "the great enemy of Muslims is another Muslim's" unfortunately they don't realize that!! You can't find any non-muslims country ill-treat muslims just because they are muslims but you can find many muslims country ill-treat non-muslims just because they non-muslim. smilies/cry.gif smilies/cry.gif smilies/cry.gif
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written by The dragonheart, September 10, 2008 22:46:11
If every one read an engineering can becomes an engineer, read a medical book can become a doctor, reads the Bible can be a priest, reads the Quran and becomes an ulamak so on so forth ..we don't need colleges and universities...

Funny though, many people in here are not Muslim, no Aqidah knowledge, no basic understanding what Islam is dare to make Islamic fatwa in here that "nowhere in the QURAN will you see that liquor is classified as haram ". There are 3 different surah talks about wine, the first two were reveal in Mecca and the 3rd in Madinah. only the third surah says wine is prohibited (Haram)

If smart people wants to play with words, and chemistry knowledge , of course wine is not liquor and liquor is not wine...however both are intoxicated fluids.

Islamic Jurisprudence have four sources of law, i.e. The Quran, the Hadist, Ijmak/Itihad of mutajahid islamic scholars and Qias.

LSD, Marijuana, Morphine, brandy, toddy are all not in either the Quran or Hadist... so those who are smart with their words would say "Nothing in the Quran says these substances are Haram. so u may consume them cause Islam is a practical and easy religion". Help me God and show me the right path...

No point of me explaining how ijmak or qias works... I don't think people here are interested to know...but the point is, read to understand and read holistically.. if you have doubts, go to the experts and knowledgeable people.

We hate to see the blind leading the blind... 3 blind men will learn that the shape of an elephant is like a serpent (based on the trunk) the second would say it is like a wall (based on the abdomen) and the 3rd man says it is like a tree trunk (based on the legs).

I strongly feel MT should concentrate in matters they are fully verse in and not something that is not their bread and butter...

MT have done a great job in promoting democracy and as a watch dog for corrupted leaders.... keep it up... when talking about Islam, we sometimes don't realized that we are actually spitting up in the air and at last the spit drops back on our very face... and the ignorant listeners becomes the 3 blind men...
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written by Panca Indera, September 11, 2008 00:07:27
Borrowed from http://almizan.org/new/introdu...troduction

There are two methods of explaining the meaning of the Quran i.e. its exegesis.

i) The exegete takes a problem emanating from a Qur'anic statement, looks at it from academic and philosophical point of view, weighs the pros and cons and with the help of the philosophy, science and logic decides what the true answer should be. Thereafter, he takes the verse and fits it anyhow on that answer which, he thinks, is right.
note: Most Muslim philosophers and theologians usually followed this method; but, as mentioned earlier, the Qur'an does not approve of it.

ii) The exegete explains the verse with the help of other relevant verses, meditating on them together - and meditation has been forcefully urged upon by the Qur'an itself - and identifies the individual person or thing by its particulars and attributes mentioned in the verse.
No doubt this is the only correct method of exegesis. I.e. using the Quran to explain the Quran
Allah has said: ...and We have revealed the Book to you explaining clearly everything (16:89). Is it possible for such a book not to explain its own self?

Also He has described the Qur'an in these words: a guidance for mankind and clear evidence of guidance and discrimination (between wrong) (2:185); and He has also said: and We have sent down to you a manifest light (4:174). The Qur'an is, accordingly, a guidance, an evidence, a discrimination between right and wrong and a manifest light for the people to guide them aright and help them in all their needs. Is it imaginable that it would not guide them aright in its own matter, while it is their most important need?

Again Allah says: And (as for) those who strive hard for Us, We will most certainly guide them on to Our ways (2 9: 69). Which striving is greater than the endeavor to understand His Book? And which way is more straight than the Qur'an?

Allah taught the Qur'an to His Prophet and appointed him as the teacher of the Book: The Faithful Spirit has descended with it upon your heart that you may be of the warners, in plain Arabic language (26:193 - 4); and We have revealed to you the Reminder that you may make clear to men what has been revealed to them, and that haply they may reflect (16:44); . . . an Apostle who recites to them His communications and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom (62:2).

And the Prophet appointed his progeny to carry on this work after him. It is clear from his unanimously accepted tradition - I am leaving behind among you two precious things; as long as you hold fast to them you will never go astray after me: The Book of Allah and my progeny, my family members; and these two shall never separate from each other until they reach me (on) the reservoir.
And Allah has confirmed, in the following two verses, this declaration of the Prophet that his progeny had the real knowledge of the Book: Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, 0 people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying (33:33); Most surely it is an honored Qur'an, in a Book that is hidden; None do touch it save the purified ones (56:77-79).

And the Prophet and the Imams from his progeny always used this second method for explaining the Qur'an, as may be seen in the traditions that have been narrated from...

So RPK, its not about the tiff between Aishah and Ali, Its about the one from the 72 different sects who all think they are right until Allah Himself will show it to all on Judgement day.
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written by hamid, September 11, 2008 00:46:23
If every one read an engineering can becomes an engineer, read a medical book can become a doctor, reads the Bible can be a priest, reads the Quran and becomes an ulamak so on so forth ..we don't need colleges and universities...

Dear The dragonheart, have you ever find any confused engineer or confused doctor? but you can find many confused so called religious leader, why??????? Because Religion invented through believe system. Every religion has they're own believe system, just like you believe that your mother is the most lovelily person as for me my mother is the most lovelily person! So don't ever confuse between "universal truth" and
"believe system ".
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written by FFT, September 11, 2008 04:28:32
While the lot of you keep arguing over green shirts and purple panties, Che Det is galvanizing his troops to burn down the forest!

http://www.chedet.com/

Will you dumb Malaysians be played for fools again and be held at ransom to madmen? Like the mob that went after Frankenstein's monster, so too should the "villagers" gather to drive Che Det out of the country before he reduces all of you to ashes.
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written by kawaafi, September 11, 2008 04:35:24
Hello Hamid,
Please check your facts before posting something stupid.
let me give you some pinters to ur posting Israel, Serbs, Kosovo, Chechnya, Mindanau (Philipine) or how about Southern Thai...?
Am not a supporter of the BN government, but please check your facts right..

regards
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written by kawaafi, September 11, 2008 04:49:02
Salam Gorshan,

Arak is only prohibited during Prophet Muhammad pbuh time and its only happen after more than 10 years of his prophethood. So its perfectly ok for Jesus to hand over the arak for his deciples at that time..smilies/smiley.gif

RPK, i know there are other bigger points you want to make but there are some small facts need to strengthen out here..smilies/smiley.gif
keep up the good work..
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written by hamid, September 11, 2008 06:24:15
by kawaafi, September 11, 2008 04:35:24
Hello Hamid,
Please check your facts before posting something stupid.
let me give you some pinters to ur posting Israel, Serbs, Kosovo, Chechnya, Mindanau (Philipine) or how about Southern Thai...?
Am not a supporter of the BN government, but please check your facts right..


Its you supposed to check before label others stupid! Can you show me in they're constitutions, that is non-muslims has a upper hand in they're rules or the non-muslims has special privilege then the Muslims??? Everyone has equal treatment in the eye of rules, not like Malaysia, Muslim's or so called Bumiputra has a special privilege then the others and its wiritten in the constitutions.

Talk about Israel, Serbs, Kosovo, Chechnya, Mindanu and Thailand..... this is what you will get if you goes against government !!!!!!!!!! Do you think Malaysia non-bumi will get special treatment when they're fight against government???? Get a life you Idiot !
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written by sampalee, September 11, 2008 06:40:18
In duality,good have no meaning if all people behave and think like umno as the bad as we know come about from the dichotomy of the thinking mind.The conflicts energise itself and can only be brought to rest when illusive duality return to source[zero or emptiness as prior to the big bang or the death of the universe]
'I am the alpha and the omega,the beginning and the end'Holy scriptures are filled with pointers leading us to source from which we never left[simply being confused like the prodigal son]
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written by truthbespoken, September 11, 2008 09:40:31
Dear All,

I must say religionists are not realistic people. They are all mostly led by the nose by old scriptures and smarter people who uses religion to control them and waste their whole life arguing, searching, even fighting for the elusive truth which will never ever be confirmed by anybody else in this life. Most of their minds seem to be bottled and corked-up and unable think out and beyond what they were trained to believe from young. How silly the world is!

AND BE WARNED! FFT is absolutely right! (Sept 11, 2008, 4.28.32 above). Check on where the real danger is lurking for all Malaysians and are supporters of democracy and M2Day.

Mahathir has in recent times quite successfully created something out from thin air called a Social Contract for the country. Where is the Contract if there is one at all? Only in his bloody racist mind to justify the wrongs he had committed on the country? How can there be not anything written and documented like our Federal Constitution, if the contract is so important as espoused by this man? Why is he bringing out an imagined contract and making it look as though it is now more important than the Constitution?

Is anyone familiar with this so-called contract or even heard of it in the 50s, 60s or even 70s? No? Hence I strongly believe that it is only created and brought out now by Mahathir to cover his dirty tracks over the years. In the process, this trouble maker that he is now, is backtracking the nation's progress as a nation of Malaysians for Malaysia!

Mahathir is and always will be a self-centered and selfish person too proud and too good for other people because he thinks he is never wrong!

He is actually nothing more than a schemer at heart and only fools will continue to believe and led by him to the proverbial river and be drowned. He is an old time racist pied-piper and certainly not good at all for the future of a united Malaysian society.
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written by panca, September 11, 2008 10:16:04
written by hamid, September 11, 2008 00:46:23
So don't ever confuse between "universal truth" and
"believe system ".


hmaid, you hit the G-spot smilies/grin.gif
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written by DontPlayGod, September 11, 2008 11:40:09
Generally speaking, all religions emphasis on ritals. The belief is that following the rituals will be sufficient to ensure their place in heaven. Islam, in its present form, stresses much on rituals, and the followers have been led to believe that following rituals is all that is necessary to ensure that they enter syurga.

A glaring case in point are the Somali pirates in the Gulf of Aden, where MISC ships and other ships from Islamic countries have proved to be popular targets by these pirates. These pirates can have access to halal foods on these ships, hence taking halal food is all that is necessary to ensure their place in syurga(with virgins thrown in to boot), never mind if they mindlessly torture and kill at the slightest sign of disobedience, etc. Is it halal to torture and kill mindlessly, but a grave sin for eating non-halal food?
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written by kawaafi, September 11, 2008 11:55:27
Hello Hamid,

I did not say you are stupid, only your posting is not correct.
Talking against the government, kids comeback from soccer field is fighting against government?, babies and little children also fighting against the government?. Now are you saying that its ok to shoot Muslim in the masjid and slaugthered unarms street protesters by the hundreds as long as their constitutions say they all are equal...?
How about slaughtered the whole township (Sebrenica)..? is its still ok as long as their contitutions did not say the Muslims is lower citizen.
All these act was done by government army against the citizen of their own country.

Please ur comment right.."You can't find any non-muslims country ill-treat muslims just because they are muslims but you can find many muslims country ill-treat non-muslims just because they