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Tuesday, 09 September 2008 13:43

ANTI ANTI-HADEETH

I read the news in The Star recently of some Muslim bodies including JAKIM which lodged a police report against Malaysia Today's editor, Raja Petra for allegedly insulting the Malays, Muslim and Islam.

I was hoping that they were referring to a real insult done by Raja Petra, but much to my disappointment, the articles which are said to insult these Muslim bodies are the articles with title I promise to be a good, non-hypocritical Muslim and Not all arabs are descendants of the Prophet. If these two articles insulted these Muslim bodies, then I have nothing to say than this : you guys are being unnecessarily sensitive Malay Muslims.

That makes me think of whether those who lodged the police report really went through the articles, at least to read it entirely, or they just look at the title and jumped to the conclusion, or they actually do not understand English? Which one of the above factors is true then? In my opinion, those two articles referred to initially didn't tickle me even a bit. I think JAKIM should find something better to do than to lodge a police report on those two articles.

Today, however, Raja Petra published another article on head cover (tudung), The Great Tudung Debate. This one does attract my attention, though I must say that it is nowhere near to being an insult to me. I am not insulted at all, as this sort of view has been around for some times, especially by those anti-hadith clan or quranist. But as a head-covering-muslim-woman, I do believe I should put some respond in my blog over what I understand it to be. I do want to stress though, that I am not at all trying to belittle any of the non-head-covering women, as I do believe that this is something personal that does not affect our aqidah, and I do respect and accept the differences in opinion. The below respond is to present another side of the view, just so some people will not take this matter lightly.

I do believe though, that Raja Petra has touched this tudung issue at a very wrong place. This should be settled at ummah level first before opening it like that for public scrutiny. Among the statement published in The Great Tudung Debate article (which was said to be written by Raja Petra's anonymous friend) is this comment on An-Nur 31:

Again there is no mention of head (ru'usa) in this verse or face (wujuh/wajh). Please note the words 'draw their veils over the bosoms'. The arabic is as follows:
walyadribna : and strike / cover
bi khumurihinna : with their outer garments
Ala : over / upon
juyoobihinna : their bosoms / breasts
Women are told to cover their chests/bosoms/breasts. That is all. This tallies with the earlier verse 33:59 above where the women are told to lengthen their clothes/garments. There is absolutely no mention of head (ru'usa), face (wujuh) or hair.


My response :
This depends largely on what is the interpretation of the word khumur. I am not sure whether this friend of Raja Petra speaks Arabic (which I am quite sure this anonymous friend of his has no arabic knowledge), but one thing not highlighted is the fact that khumur (the plural word of khimar) means something to cover, and what was normally referred to as head cover (tudung). The classical arabic dictionary, aqrib al-mawarid defines khimar as :
"all such pieces of cloth which are used to cover the head. It is a piece of cloth which is used by a woman to cover her head."

Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir said: "Khumur is the plural of khimar which means something that covers, and is what is used to cover the head. This is what is known among the people as a khimar."

So linguistically, khimar does not only mean something to cover, it is commonly used at that time to refer to head cover (tudung). So now we can see that khimar can be used as :

  1. A piece that covers
  2. Something specifically used to cover the head / head cover / tudung
While I recognise and respect the fact that Raja Petra's friend choose to pick the first definition of khimar, we should go a step further in trying to find whether the Qur'an is referring to the first or the second definition. Common linguistic factor should be taken into consideration, at the time when the verse was sent down. Jumhur ulama' picked the second definition as the correct one.

When the verse An-Nur 31 was revealed, the term used : walyadribna bikhumurihinna
See how it was designed : bi-khumuri-hinna : with their khumur
The khumur was designed to be ma'rifah, not nakirah. Looking at it closely, this khumur is already there on the women's body. Before this verse was sent down, where is it that the khumur was used? Are we saying that the women of Arabia at that time march around topless that God asked them to now put on their shirt to cover their breast?

No, they didn't march around topless. They wore their khimar on their head. This is not suprising, that's the tradition at that time. In fact, we know that the Christians used that as well, as they are required to do so in the Bible via Corinthian 11. The difference is that :

Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi said: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."

The practice to wear khimar to cover hair is already there within the society, but now this verse commanded that it is extended to be used to cover breast to make it more meaningful in the modesty business. Why such a hassle to ask the women to cover breast once again using another piece? Then ask a woman to stand wearing a baju kurung, and another using baju kurung with tudung to cover their breast. See the difference.

That is if we want to rely solely on Qur'an. There are other hadith explaining this as well (though some might just refuse to accept it) .

The article further quote this statement :

We DO NOT interpret the Quran. May I suggest something much simpler? Why not we just read it? If we look at the Quran in its arabic and then look at the translated words just a little carefully, we will understand it. You DONT EVEN have to know Arabic. For example the arabic word for HEAD (kepala) is NEVER mentioned in any of the verses quoted above. Neither are the arabic words for face and hair. So how do the translators include head, face and hair? Someone must explain this.

My Response :
I beg to differ. There are times when we don't even have to mention something specifically in order to refer to something. If I ask my husband to wear an underwear, that means I want him to cover his private part, no? Should I then have to specifically say this "Darling, please use this underwear to cover your penis (pardon me for the word)" instead? If I just say "Darling, please wear this underwear", would he then use the underwear to cover his feet or head instead? Do I need to mention the private parts when I ask him to wear it, when underwear is already known to be used as something to cover the private parts?

This is where the knowledge in Arabic is important in interpreting things. When we understand khimar to be something covering our hair, whether or not it mentions head and hair, it does not matter anymore. Do not take lightly of the importance of Arabic language in explaining the Qur'an. Those who don't speak arabic might not realise the efficiency of arabic language that even its grammar is vital in interpreting it correctly. Remember how did some people failed to realise that arabic grammatical aspect of the verse in Hud : 114 is important, that they wrongly came to the conclusion that there should only be 3 prayers in a day?

And for those who left their comments on that article in Malaysia Today accusing Muslim women with head-cover as oppressed or that sort, please learn to respect other people's belief. I wrote something on this quite some times ago in Muslim Women Dress Code and Oppression.

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written by non conformist, September 09, 2008 14:02:58
FOR HER HAIR IS GIVEN HER FOR A COVERING... versus tudung

12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

1Corinthians 11.
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written by Naha, September 09, 2008 14:14:40
Sister Quinary, after RPK's unfortunate article your explanation is very clear. For all you Muslims who are not blinded by madhhab egotism, the following link describes very succintly the position of the Ja'fari school of jurisprudence with regard to the interpretation of the verses on awrah in the context of the modern world. Read, and learn: http://www.al-islam.org/hijab/
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written by ahmadneil, September 09, 2008 14:16:39
WOW,I have to change my glasses,super admin,you are making me blind with those BIG words.
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written by Rundukon, September 09, 2008 14:21:51
I find it ridiculous to see women putting on tudung but wearing skimpy t-shirt and tight jeans revealing their figures. Its as if they are not wearing tudung.
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written by Bloodhound, September 09, 2008 14:27:31
Bravo, Bravo!!

There, you see - there was no need for uproars, threats, hooliganism, police reports, ISA or other destructive responses. These sort of responses only show a lack of understanding, knowledge or ability to express or to defend one's position on the subject in question - the best method is then to shout down the question. Just a simple response is more lethal than all the howling that had been displayed recently.

What we have here is an educated and matter of fact response from a knowledgeable person! All it needed was a bit of educated thinking and patience to get your message across.

Now, I am more informed on both sides of the argument.

When you disagree, get your message across gently - as the saying goes, the pen is mightier than the sword!

WELL DONE!
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written by Bik Ati, September 09, 2008 14:34:10
Dear Writer,
I would like to express how grateful I'm to have somebody like you giving response to the article. I'm not as learned and you but I really do believe that requirement to wear tudung was prescribed and never been invented. Some 6-8yrs ago I had the same kind of discussion with the Anti-Hadeeth groop until at some point I wondered how did they perform solat, Haj and etc. I even pondered if bakute "halal" to the Anti-Hadeeth group, as the Quran say "The flesh of the swine" is haram and while bakute is made from the tail of the swine......and not flesh. Enventually I rest my case and told them to you is your belief and to me is mine. But having you here, I'm glad you can bring some light for those in need.
Syukran !
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written by chiongguo, September 09, 2008 14:35:38
Sister Quinary, I think you have correctly put everything into perspective. I am not a muslim but sincer RPK brought up the issues I became interested. Syed Akhbar and Jakim et al made alot of emotional rhetorics without providing any substance as to what RPK did wrong. RPK came back with a reply from someone he emailed to. His view was clear an unequivocal. Then many muslims replied - with emotions again rather than any substance as to why RPK was wrong. Then came your very well considered reply and as I read your explanation it had dawned on me that you have actually argued RPK's case.

It doesn't matter which interpretation of the word "khimar" was used the objective is not the covering of the hair or head - which was the custom of the middle-east but the covering of the breast. You had cited historical practice of that era where the woman folks covered their head but exposed their breast like the jews and christians and Nabi Mohammad suggested that they extend it to cover their breasts.

The key and the mountain out of the mole hill was and I still think is the breast and nothing else.

Another way to look at it is from the natural perspective. Which - the hair or the breast will evoke sexual excitement in men and there lies the answer. Many muslims covered their hair but because they wear those body-hugging clothes and the contour of their breast clearly revealed actully made them look more sexy. It is not the hair but the breast.

**** Just offering my 0 cents worth. I am not a muslim, so feel free to ignore me 8-) ****



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written by cruzeiro, September 09, 2008 15:34:46
Yep - well articulated.

However, I'm just curious - in making allthese statements, does the question of whether the people of that time wore the "brassiere" figure in the equation?

This issue probably comes up becos there were no brassieres available at that time!
Pardon my ignorance on the history of the bra .... I couldn't care much for it anyways ......
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written by johanssm, September 09, 2008 15:48:48
This is the right way to response to MT if you felt that MT wrote or publishes something thats unacceptable or something you disagrees with.
MT is also more like an open debate i.e cyber debate.
The way to engage RPK is to writes in after you have researched thoroughly and with ideas plus good common sense.Dabs in some humors helps too .
We the readers are not childish people and thats exactly why we stays away from main stream medias.
Not many Malaysian writers and thinkers are from the same "class" as RPK.
As most writers do not have the guts and wits .
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written by timberguy, September 09, 2008 15:55:02
Well written and correct opinion! And I agree, there is no need for emotions to flare, we can engage in proper debates. Unlike the pig Ahmad Ismail, who has exhibited the most unislamic behavior I have come across in Malaysia recently. Thanks to the writer, once again.
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written by AO Musa, September 09, 2008 16:46:26
I'm a hardcore fan of RPK's writing. However, for the first time i have to disagree on his writing. I clearly don't agree on his view about wearing the 'tudung'.

However, I really proud to say that as a fellow of blogger I admire on how this issue was debated. Quinary was professionally explained the other side of the meaning and no "blood" shed.

The government should learn from MT on how to solve if there are any differences in opinion and not jumping around and deny!
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written by chipon, September 09, 2008 17:19:57

Very well articulated.

I was favouring RPK earlier untill I read this article. This clears everything on why the Muslim women needs to wear those tudungs.

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written by Adely, September 09, 2008 17:24:25
Greetings QUINARY
Respects others belief – I totally agreed with you “And for those who left their comments on that article in Malaysia Today accusing Muslim women with head-cover as oppressed or that sort, please learn to respect other people's belief.”
However, the main issue is why those who belief in wearing tudong trying to extend the notion to others through ruling and law? You expect us to respect other people’s belief, but are the promoters of TUDUNGHOOD respect the belief of others – muslim women who decide not to wear tudong? I have read the book, and fail to find instruction from God asking me to ensure all muslim women wear tudong. If you happen to find that verse – please tell me, and I will instruct my wife to wear tudong and no more low-cut dress that prevail her C Cup size breasts.
The real issue with today Muslim is that you guys tend to be the police of god. Moreover, in God’s name stupid law being passed and innocent people being condemned. Stop being the police. Stop being God’s keeper.
Another point - “..That is if we want to rely solely on Qur'an. There are other hadith explaining this as well (though some might just refuse to accept it).” Don’t u have faith in the Quran? Surah Al-Baqarah – Verse 1 – translated as “KITAB ITU TIADA KERAGUAN”. Why can’t you heed God’s guarantee? Why do you need another source? Do you not have complete confidence in God’s book? Hmmm….
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written by Mimi, September 09, 2008 18:01:08
Well Said. Fabulous response.
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written by LACOBRA, September 09, 2008 18:04:44
Wear the Tudung if you may but please don't drive to compromise road safety! Wearing the Tudung with the side visions partially impaired is like horses racing with blinkers. A hazard to all motorist & pedestrians.

Whatever the ruling then & interpreted now...the obvious is cars weren't made then.
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written by belljar, September 09, 2008 18:43:04
Actually, i think some of the arab men ought to wear the tudung themselves! Have you seen those Arab boys - good looking boys like that make auntie like me have very bad thoughts. smilies/grin.gif
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written by talk2stop, September 09, 2008 19:00:04
Now it is as clear as mud. I just wasted 20 minutes and 34 seconds of my time watching my car rust.
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written by amran3669, September 09, 2008 20:03:24
Alhamdulillah.....terima kasih dengan artikel yang bagus dan penuh kesopanan, memberi jawapan dengan penuh ilmu dan inilah adab ISLAM sebenar dan puan telah memberi contoh menjadi seorang muslimah sejati.ALLAHUAKBAR.
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written by Nice n Simple, September 09, 2008 21:24:57
SEEMS MORE LIKE A HISTORY DEBATE THAN A CONSCIOUS MOVE FORWARD TO ME.


I guess if we start looking into the many context as to whether headscarfs should be worn by women, there will be no end to this, especially if the purpose was to deflect sexually motivated gazes of men.

If the real reason behind the argument is to avert undesired sexual assertions, then the argument should be whether the hair on a woman's head can seriously create an infallable high in men to the extent they loose self control?


SO WHAT REALLY TURNS A MAN ON?

And since we are on this topic, then we also would need to address on WHAT REALLY TURNS A WOMAN ON? Or are we going to assume that nothing in a man can turn a woman on, that when it comes to sexual desires, it's only men who are created with a mind to 'go forth and multiply'?


Science insofar says:

Men generally like breasts and ass (YES!), and it's innate, mind you (of course we also know that some like toes, earlobes, neck, legs, waist, etc. too).

The reason: Men inherently look for 'mates' who are able to (against many natural odds), born and raise their offsprings successfully. A large hip and large breast amounts to good natural birth and milk bearing abilities respectively.

Women (you can try to deny all you want but it's in the dna), generally like men with good physiques (especially the 'V' back body coupled with broad shoulders).

The reason: They make good strong hunters and can fend for their offspring against natural odds and enemies. A man with these natural qualities improves the survival of the offspring. Women instinctively want that.


These are all pre-programmed into our system the second we were conceived. Sexual desires, one may argue, is all is ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL OF THE NEXT IN LINE (consciously and sub-consciously).


So if Islam did insist on a headscart for women, what was the real underlying purpose?



SO AS FOR COVERING OF THE HAIR...

Nice smooth silky hair may play a SECONDARY ROLE in 'turning me on', but bad hair would definately be an OUTRIGHT TURN-OFF. If I had lived in the sandy mountains and deserts a thousand years ago, I'd want to cover my hair to protect against the wind, sand and sun-damage. This goes for men and women alike.

Contrary to turning men on with their hair, women with sandy and sun-damaged hair a thousand years ago may just have turned potential MALE PARTNERS AWAY instead! So if she wore a headscart, it may well NOT be to avert attention, but rather to ensure that attention of men are not averted through weather-damaged or tick-infested hair (unless you are so damn sure ticks don't live on camels).


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written by bexe, September 10, 2008 01:54:19
Religion and politics is like oil and water - they don't mix. Every time religion is brought into politics we will get wars and civil strife.
So go wrap yourself up in table cloths if you think your religion calls for it. It shouldn't affect how the Government runs the country.
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written by CatV5, September 10, 2008 11:40:19
Two Words MOVE ON

Move On Now, Beloveds, Move On
Heavenletter # 2798 Published on: July 23, 2008

What is it that you think you are missing from your life today? What is it that you think you need? What obstacle do you feel you face?

Regardless of all that weighs on you, here's what to do: Imagine that you already have what you think is missing. Whatever it is that you think you need, consider that you have it. Whatever obstacles you see, consider that they are behind you.

Now move on as if all your concerns were already remedied. Yes, as if already remedied. Really, I ask you, what else makes sense? Surely to fear and aggravate is not sensible. When you meet an obstacle, it is sensible to step over it. Step over it in your mind.

When you have a difficulty engaging with a certain person, do not pick up where you left off. Start anew. Have you had the idea that everything has to be settled between you before you move on? There does not have to be a resolution before you continue in a better light.

I am not telling you to hoodwink yourself. Beloveds, I am saying not to let anything stop you from moving forward. I am saying that attention on what you see as difficulties holds you back. I am telling you to move forward.

I am not telling you to run roughshod over your feelings or anyone's. Acknowledge, and move on. You do not have to pick up all the pieces and put them back together again before you move on. Even when you have a sore toe, you can walk. Even in darkness, you can open your eyes. Even in ignorance, you can get up from where you are.

No matter what the circumstances, you can get up from them. You must get up from them, or they hold you back. You can be what you want to be regardless of anything surrounding you. When someone is rude or unkind, certainly you don't have to be. You don't have to let anyone or anything hold you back from the shining light that you are. Have you already forgotten the golden light I bequeathed to you? I took goldenness from My heart and placed it in yours. I intended you to be My shining example. I intended you to radiate My light for all to see. I didn't intend that you wait for better circumstances.

If you are ill and confined to bed and cannot move, in your mind, you can still get up from your sickbed. You must, or you hammer yourself in place. Even if you are ill, you do not have to see yourself as incapacitated. I'm sure you understand what I mean. Even the lame shall walk.

When you read between the lines of what I'm saying, you understand I am saying that you are not bound to the concepts of the world nor to any diagnosis. While you are alive on Earth, you are not limited to your body. You always were greater than any body.

When you read between the lines of what I'm saying, you understand this is yet another way I tell you to get out of the past. You had a skirmish yesterday? That was yesterday. Why carry over hard feelings or any kind of disturbance? The last I knew, today is another day on Earth. It is not meant to be yesterday. Yesterday is over. Today has begun. Today is your opportunity to start off fresh, and so I ask you to use today for all you are worth.
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written by Fart Fart Wah, September 11, 2008 22:01:13
End of the day a woman is a woman...
Even if she wears a tudung or not or kain labuh it is still a woman wearing it..

it all depends on how the man on the street sees her. some men how much you cover up also rape..

i think the men need to be educated to respect a woman..period...and not see her as sex object or a production machine..

NOW I WONDER ..WHAT ADAM SAW..when he was running around with Eve..she was supposedly naked...was God faulted??? ..Ah...we have Satans everywhere!!
That is why I think He later he dressed them...unable to see the beauty of his creation........

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written by joeawk, September 12, 2008 15:16:07
Why is it that the hindus and the buddhists do not hindu/buddhist this and hindu/buddhist that but the muslims keep bring their faitrh into the public domain.

Look around the world, which faith give humanity the biggest pain in the ass? Why is Islam being discussed and not other faith? Hot cakes sells by itself by virtues of its aroma that permeates rthe atmosphere. There is no need for hard selling.

By the way, what is wrong with the malay dresses? I find it attractive and i find malay woman in malay dresses, even more so, but, I do not walk the street with an erection and with my mind thinking straight.

Keep la your faith between you and your God, who is also my GOD, in yor heart. There is no need to bring it into public discussion and i shall not comment on it lest you are offended.
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