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Muslims do not know how to be Muslims. Muslims do everything Islam is against. Muslims are hypocrites. That is what ails Malaysia. That is the sickness of our society.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

I promise that, under a Pakatan Rakyat government, Malaysians will never again be subjected to such gross abuse of executive power as we are again witnessing today (7 August 2008). Arbitrary arrest and detention, frivolous investigation and malicious prosecutions shall be a thing of the past. Police officers and prosecutors who launch conspiracies to defame and humiliate the innocent will be severely punished. The use of police powers as well as that of the office of the Attorney General to persecute political opponents will be criminalised so as to ensure a healthy and vibrant democracy where dissent is not only tolerated but also nurtured. 
 
In this regard, every Malaysian’s fundamental liberties will be treated as sacrosanct and safeguarded by a truly independent judiciary guided by principles of utmost integrity and an adherence to the spirit of the federal constitution. 
 
The politically motivated trial launched against me will, Insha’Allah, be the last of its kind. No Malaysian will suffer from this cruel injustice ever again. 
 
Yesterday’s events confirm my innocence from the charges that recently surfaced. The medical report and Statutory Declaration by Dr. Osman Abdul Hamid of the Pusrawi Hospital that surfaced on Thursday shatter lingering doubts as to whether the alleged act ever took place.  Dr. Osman’s statement also confirms what we have already stated regarding deplorable actions by the police to fabricate evidence in a manner identical to the manipulation of my case in 1998. Anything short of a thorough investigation into the mishandling of this investigation would further tarnish the credibility of the police. 
 
The doctor’s personal safety is a matter of deep concern to us. Material witnesses in high-profile cases in Malaysia, such as the PI Balasubramanian, have gone missing in the past. I applaud those brave individuals who have demonstrated their commitment to freedom and justice by coming forward with important evidence and I call upon the authorities to ensure their protection. 
 
Yesterday, in court, we learned that the prosecution’s case has, in a manner similar to the botched trials of 1998, shape-shifted from a charge of assault to one of a consensual act. The conspiracy launched against me in the final week of June 2008 is falling apart. There is a hasty attempt by some to patch up glaring holes in the complainant’s testimony. This will certainly fail given the preponderance of evidence confirming my innocence.
 
The Prime Minister has actively involved himself in this matter in an attempt to derail the process of transformational change in Malaysia and stave off his own political demise.  But in soiling his hands with this sordid matter he has deepened the crisis within his own administration. His most ardent supporters among the Malays have also expressed their disgust with the matter. Furthermore, Prime Minister Badawi now faces investigation by the Anti-Corruption Agency for his involvement in corruption and money politics.  
 
The shadow of corruption and mismanagement of the economy darkens the legacy of his Premiership.  Prime Minister Badawi has still offered no convincing explanation over the huge profits reaped by his family in the Oil-For-Food scandal at the expense of dying Iraqis.  
 
I advise those around him to leave the sinking ship of his leadership while there is still a chance to do so.  
 
Pakatan Rakyat’s reform agenda is firmly back on track and the New Dawn for Malaysia is well within reach.  We will mount a unified campaign to win in Permatang Pauh with a solid majority encompassing that constituency’s diverse population.  I look forward to entering Parliament on August 27th with the support of my friends in the coalition. 
 
ANWAR IBRAHIM

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That was Anwar Ibrahim’s statement yesterday. It did not come with any heading. But if it did it could have been appropriately headlined: I promise to be a good, non-hypocritical Muslim.

Yes, that short sentence -- I promise to be a good, non-hypocritical Muslim -- which I have chosen as the title of this piece, aptly describes what Anwar’s statement could have been called had he chosen to give it a heading. This is the crux of the problem. This is what ails our society. This is the root cause of the breakdown in morality and lack of values prevalent amongst those Muslims who walk in the corridors of power.

Corruption, exploitation, abuse of power, political persecution, arrogance, racial discrimination, no respect for fundamental liberties and human rights, and much more, are not the problem. These are merely symptoms of another problem. These are just the end-result of the real problem. The problem that breeds all these symptoms of what ails this country is that Muslims do not know how to be Muslims.

Sure, I know, you are going to now scream, “Why target just the Muslims? There are also bad Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and whatnot. So why just target Muslims for criticism? Why not also whack the Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and whatnot?”

The Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and whatnot do not run this country. The majority of the 1.2 million leaders and civil servants are Muslims. The policies and direction of this country are charted and guided by the Muslims. It is the Muslims who practically have absolute say in how this country is run and in what happens in this country. At best, those not of the Muslim faith are merely running dogs of the Muslims. These running dogs lie to their people by claiming that they are looking after the interest of their community whereas they are really selling their community down the drain and subjecting their community to the whims and fancies of the Muslims who are running this country.

Listen to how Muslims talk. They foam at the mouth in defence of Islam. They slander and defile other religions. They declare all other religions as false and their holy books as fakes. They profess only Islam as the true religion, Muhammad as the final and legitimate Prophet, and the Quran as the only authentic book still in existence. Then they do everything that Islam is against without blinking an eyelid as if this is what God Himself prescribed.

No, the non-Muslims do not moralise like the Muslims do. The non-Muslims are not patronising like the Muslims are. The non-Muslims do not talk down to those of other religions like the Muslims do. The non-Muslims do not preach that those not of their religion are the enemies of God who should not be taken as friends the way the Muslims preach.

Yes, there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. There are also good people of the other religions and there are bad people of the other religions. But only Muslims pretend to be good when they are actually bad. Only Muslims talk about their religion non-stop while going against everything their religion stands for.

Anwar described at great length what ails our country. Anwar described in great detail what ills our society is suffering from. But all that could have been explained in just one sentence. Muslims do not know how to be Muslims. Muslims do everything Islam is against. Muslims are hypocrites. That is what ails Malaysia. That is the sickness of our society. And that is why Malaysia is a lost cause as long as we have the majority 1.2 million leaders and civil servants coming from just one faith, the Muslim faith.

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written by gundam, August 08, 2008 14:09:22
RPK, u r a muslim tat i can truly respect and love.
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written by indianputra, August 08, 2008 14:15:59
I really cannot be bothered if Malaysian fiasco are created by Muslims. I go against that remark. For me, the entire episode is created by a few including the PM, DPM, AG and the Police Chief; who are MALAYSIAN LEadERS.

These four guys have orchestrad this shameful, vengenceful acts against Anwar.

They are also fully involved in the mis-trial that is taking place regarding the murder of that Mongolian woman.

These people's hands are also smeared by the act of sending the 5 Indian citizens from Hindraf to ISA.

These 4 'leaders' of Malaysia have caused shame and disrespect for Malaysia from the citizens of the world. I call them leaders and not Muslims for the majority of Malaysian Muslims of this country are God fearing and ethical.

These 4 leaders shoul be charged under treason if and when there is a change in Government.
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written by MalaysiaBaru, August 08, 2008 14:18:43
Yes Malaysians, we have to choose either the promise given by the muslim above or the muslim below:
I Promise to be Najis Mughallazah

Najis dalam Islam

Dari Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu, ensiklopedia bebas.
Najis dari segi perspektif Islam boleh didefinasikan kepada tiap-tiap benda yang kotor iaitu tidak sah solat sekiranya hadir pada badan, pakaian dan tempat ia mengerjakan solat.

Kejadian Najis terbahagi tiga

a. Keluar dari Qubul atau Dubur dalam keadaan cair atau lembut.
Contoh najis yang keluar daripada qubul atau dubur :
Tahi
Air kencing
Air mani anjing/babi atau keturunannya.
b. Keluar daripada saluran lain.

Contoh najis yang keluar daripada saluran lain :
Muntah
Air liur basi
c. Benda-benda lain yang telah ditetapkan.

Contoh najis yang telah ditetapkan hukumnya :
Darah
Nanah
Danur
Susu binatang yang tidak boleh dimakan
Arak
Tiap-tiap benda yang cair dan memabukkan (bukan jenis beku dan keras)
Anjing dan semua keturunannya
Babi Nasional dan semua keturunannya
Semua jenis bangkai
Bahagian-bahagian najis:
Terbahagi kepada tiga jenis iaitu Najis Razaksa (najis berat), najis mukhaffafah (najis ringan), dan najis mutawassitah (najis sederhana).

A. Najis Razaksa (Berat)
Najis Razaksa ialah najis berat. Najis ini terdiri daripada anjing dan babi serta benda-benda yang terjadi daripadanya.

B. Najis Mukhaffafah (Ringan)

Najis mukhaffafah ialah najis ringan. Najis mukhaffafah ialah air kencing kanak-kanak lelaki berusia di bawah dua tahun yang tidak makan atau minum sesuatu yang lain selain susu ibu.

C. Najis Mutawassitah (Pertengahan)

Najis mutawassitah ialah najis sederhana, iaitu segala sesuatu yang keluar dari dubur/qubul manusia atau binatang, cecair yang memabukkan, bangkai (kecuali bangkai manusia, ikan dan belalang), serta susu, tulang dan bulu dari haiwan yang haram dimakan. Najis mutawassitah terbahagi dua iaitu: "Najis Ainiyah" yaitu najis yang berwujud (tampak dan dapat dilihat), misalnya kotoran manusia atau binatang; dan "Najis Hukmiyah" iaitu najis yang tidak berwujud (tidak tampak dan tidak terlihat), seperti air kencing yang kering.
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written by TWOG, August 08, 2008 14:20:06
If only there are good non-hypocritcal Muslims like RPK running the country...
Instead of the current bunch of Uselss Malay Nether Orifices...
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written by malsia1206, August 08, 2008 14:21:02
I believe politics, race and relion are the 3 main destructive factors in Malaysia. And you can also add a 4th dominant factor. It spells U M N O. The last is the catalyst of all the 3 earlier factors and aggravate the issues further to where and what we are all in today.
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written by clarity, August 08, 2008 14:21:09
Hidup Malaysia!! Anwar must get ready a government that consist of highly educated individuals. No more of those politicians who are in power only throgh buying votes and favours who are out not to serve but tocorrupt. RPK must be Chief of ACA to be revamped and only accountable to His Majesty The Agung only then can the country prosper.
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written by Tom n Jerry, August 08, 2008 14:21:34
hello DSAI!You are on track to Putrajaya;congratulations1!please dont forget to detain Badawi &Najib under ISA the moment you take oath of office;they heve plundered ,murdered and took malaysians for a ride;now is the time to show them the karma of their past action! smilies/sad.gif
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written by confuseus, August 08, 2008 14:31:10
"written by indianputra, August 08, 2008 | 14:15:59
I really cannot be bothered if Malaysian fiasco are created by Muslims. I go against that remark. For me, the entire episode is created by a few including the PM, DPM, AG and the Police Chief; who are MALAYSIAN LEadERS. "

I agree with indianputra... the problem with Malaysian is that WE CONDONE the kemunkaran done by Top Leaders since TDM time.
Now we are in a transitional period (like a sine wave cycle) where the Rakyat are waking up and TRUE leaders will surface.
Do remember.... Pak Lah, Najib and Anwar were all groomed by TDM.
Do not make the same mistake many times.
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written by Sterilizer, August 08, 2008 14:31:36
At times like this, some would say even Mahathir is a better choice. But to be honest, there are still alot of those in PKR that cannot be trusted. Almost the same goes to PAS. What abt DAP? I think DAP is the most trustworthy at the time being except their bigotry. So from a bigot myself, I hope to see a change so that the worst of all bigotry, untrustworthyness, corruption & whatever ills can be laid on the sidewalks or the prison halls for all citizens to regurgitate out whatever filth that was forced into them over the 50 years of absolute crime against humanity.

SEEK CHANGE!!! But if the new change goes sour after 5 year, seek another CHANGE!
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written by confuseus, August 08, 2008 14:33:50
Oh yeah, we have to get rid all traces of TDM, wink, wink and start afresh.
Confuseus says "SIREH MUST PULANG KE GANGGANG"
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written by SJB, August 08, 2008 14:34:29
Vote DSAI for PM & RPK for DPM !!

Whose in??

This is the only country that arrest innocent people who tell the truth.
Bring in the Whistleblowers Protection Act 2008...now
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written by AuntyG, August 08, 2008 14:41:25
RPK,
I would caption this as "I promise to be a good, non-hypocritcal LEadER".
Mr Anwar,
I hold you to your promise that under a PR government, Malaysia will NEVER EVER AGAIN be subject to such gross abuse of executive powers, corrupution, plundering and desecration of our beautiful country.
Wishing you "one road smooth wind" on your onward journey to Putrajaya.
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written by gundam, August 08, 2008 14:44:33
dear indianputra,

how could u miss out tat Kera Jantan?
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written by DXB2008, August 08, 2008 14:46:15
Agreed, muslims do not behave like muslims are supposed to be...and most are hypocrites!
http://1426.blogspot.com/2008/...kside.html
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written by eagle22, August 08, 2008 14:48:53
its not islam , chirtian, hindu, buddhist... etc..

its melayu... Can someone give assurance for a simple fact... in future.. when/if PR le*** Malaysia ... for eg ...study loans will be given according to the students brain quality only ?

can this be done ? ....
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written by ahmadneil, August 08, 2008 14:49:27
I ahmadneil do hereby solemnly swear that I will abide by the laws of this bolehland(not bodohland anymore)and I will fully submit to the rule of Anwar Ibrahim of PR.I will also subscribe to MT blog and I will fully uphold the pride and glory of PR.So help me God.
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written by cheemengwong, August 08, 2008 14:51:28
There are alway hypocrites but if the whole nation where the ruling people are hypocrites, then the country is finish.

Malaysia is moving in that direction.

They major on the minor while the country burns and Raayat dies.

Islam Hari hari is not what it is to be!
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written by teo siew chin, August 08, 2008 14:52:09
It is high time a decent intellectual runs this country and take it to a higher level.
All the rakyat of this country is capable of standing toe-to-toe with the citizens of the world if given half the chance.
Enrich the rakyat who in turn will have no qualms enriching the politician!
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written by Sitora, August 08, 2008 14:56:19
If the so call Muslim leaders in BN are true Muslims, this episode will never happen. They are real hypocrites. They bring shame to all Malay Muslims in this world.
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written by Rainbowseahorse, August 08, 2008 14:58:15
Much as I would not want to agree that most of our Muslims brethren are grossly corrupted, hypocrites, self centered, condescending, immoral, destructive, unproductive, etc2, I have to say that most of my Muslims brethren are just that.
The Muslim empire was built on cruelty and by the sword, and their downfall is due to their inward thinking and discarding all that is un-Islamic. The Ottoman Empire is perhaps the best example of all as they come to the stage whereby their leaders were paying more attention to whether their army's helmet was Islamic enough while disregarding modernization. They were later easily destroyed by Europeans with more modern and sophisticated weaponry.

If our Malaysian government is going to harp and promote more on Islamic virtues and practices instead of focusing more on world economy, in ten years time, Malaysia will be totally ****ed by them. China came out into the world market in…I am not sure…2000???...and have made vast inro*** into being an economic superpower. Give them another 8 years or so and, barring reversal of political policies and internal conflict, China will bury Malaysia.
Our Malaysian policy makers should give a free and helping hand in helping our Malaysian Chinese and Indians to build on their businesses so that Malaysians can be in a position to face the very challenging times ahead. Our Malays mentality is just not advanced enough to face the present world economics, and those apparent successful Malays are or have been successful simply because of their connections with our corrupted government and NOT because they are good businessmen. There are more failed Malay businessmen then successful ones and all of them depends very heavily on our Malay dominated government. So how are they going to compete in a liberalized open world market???
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written by Navigator, August 08, 2008 15:00:51
RPK,

This makes an excellent election manifesto. I support it all the way. It is time we stopped this hooliganism by UMNO which involves the police and judiciary. They forget they are civil servants and should be impartial to politics. I would like to see a country wide survey on how much support UMNO and BN still have. If I read it right, the results will be worse than March 2008.
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written by miwaki, August 08, 2008 15:01:30
And Mahathir A/L Mohamad said muslim malaysians are born good administrators ! Actually,muslim malaysians are good but it is the government that is evil.
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written by BORN FREE, August 08, 2008 15:11:28
I SALUTE U, RPK ! U R GOOD & SINCERE !
If all of the 1.2 million populations( be it Malay, Indian, Chinese, etc) their mentality are like u, Malaysia would have been the best place on earth.
The biggest culprit is our UMNO/BN gomen, they are the ones that started this
polarisation of race in order to gain popularity among the Malays. So much so that their thinking are very shallow and narrow when issues of race crops up.
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written by educationist, August 08, 2008 15:28:45
My dear RPK you do not need to promise anything.
You are a shining example of not only what a good Muslim but a good religous follower of any religous denomination you chooses.
But, yes much good can come to our country if more UMNOputras walk the talk of what their religion exhorts them to do.
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written by londondude, August 08, 2008 15:45:15
And if anyone, muslim or non-muslim, wants to know how to be a true Muslim, they only have to ask Kakak YB Dr.Wan Azizah
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written by crayon, August 08, 2008 16:02:45
The Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and whatnot do not run this country. The majority of the 1.2 million leaders and civil servants are Muslims. The policies and direction of this country are charted and guided by the Muslims. It is the Muslims who practically have absolute say in how this country is run and in what happens in this country. At best, those not of the Muslim faith are merely running dogs of the Muslims.


Brother RPK - while i tend to agree with the rest of the article, the quoted one above, i do not agree. The portion quoted above, appears to make it a "fact" that non-muslims do not, and will not run the country. Also, it seem to hint that non-muslims are dogs to the muslims. such word carry heavy implications, and will only further polarize and divide our multi-ethnic community. we really dont need this - we already have some "muslims leaders" (as you said it yourself) doing that for us for the last 50 years. God bless.
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written by oknyua, August 08, 2008 16:03:15
I have printed and cut off that statement by Dato' Anwar and placed it on the wall of my office. I want to send one laminated copy to Abdullah Ahmad Badawi. (do you think it's a waste of money?) Maybe a copy each should be sent to Syed Hamid, IGP and AG.
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written by Awaken64, August 08, 2008 16:06:51
The current reconstruction of historical facts and the glorifying of a Ketuanan Melayu by UMNO is a serious disorientation of fact the article by Loh Seng Kok [former Kelana Jaya MP] in the Sun Aug 7 carries a very good comment on what RPK is stressing.
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written by Chinesegal, August 08, 2008 16:07:00
RPK,You are absolutely right!
There is no other country like Malaysia playing such dirty and ugly politic, so obvious that they wanna kill Anwar Ibrahim! They thought WE - RAKYAT are stupid! This sinful act will only make us hate the present government more!!!

For Anwar Ibrahim - You have all the support from the rakyat and we will stand by you!
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written by 98PercentPrimate, August 08, 2008 16:18:11
Yes, there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. There are also good people of the other religions and there are bad people of the other religions. But only Muslims pretend to be good when they are actually bad. Only Muslims talk about their religion non-stop while going against everything their religion stands for. -RPK


Wow! a solid piece of article for humanity.

I would add, other than being religious, Muslims and others should be better human being, since we are have the same generic spiritual process within.
http://beinghuman-humannature....-path.html

What is holding back the progress of humanity is that the majority of us do not understand our own human nature.http://beinghuman-humannature....human.html
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written by exzonerator, August 08, 2008 16:18:45
The problem in Malaysia is that the Malay Muslim BN leaders always use their religion as a form of platform to garner support from the grassroots who themselves are majority Muslims. As long as religion is mixed with politics, what you will see is that the "religion" part will be tarnished along the actions of these politicians who while openly professing Islam also openly, without any sense of shame, practices corruption, nepotism, cronyism, hate-mongering, and all sort of un-Islamic practices. When one has no shame of ones actions or intentions, no matter what kind of religious facade is being used, the consequence is the religion will always suffer from the negative observations from those of other beliefs.
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written by 98PercentPrimate, August 08, 2008 16:20:06
edit: "since we are have" should be "since we have"
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written by sjs, August 08, 2008 16:40:33
Abdullah the Hadhari! Even the kafirs of this world will not condemn the Quran because its the holy book of another religion. I say this as a Hindu. Who is the real kafir here? Saiful under instructions from his 'superiors' who is willing to swear by the Quran, or we the 'real' kafirs in Muslims eyes? We do not condemn the Quran but they are manipulating the Quran for their own means? Muslims and Ulamaks of Malaysia and the creator of Hadhari better answer this!
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written by cruzeiro, August 08, 2008 16:41:10
RPK/DSAI,

The evil that has corrupted the people in Malaysia is none other than the NEP which breeds all the deadly sins. The worst among them are pride/arrogance, envy, greed and lust.
NEP is nothing but the extreme despicable pirate's capitalism at its ugliest!

Get rid of the NEP as we know it, and half the battle would be won on all fronts!

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The pain of 5.13 (yes - once again, it goes back to that fateful day when high treason was committed by certain parties, who today use it as a scare tactic to intimidate a peace loving people), when citizens succumbed to blackmail and sold their souls to the devil, has got the nation in a stranglehold. One that's choking the lifeblood out of of this nation - through that cancerous "miracle" called NEP.
The "people were grateful" for the peace & bread and they blindly followed .... and the rest is history.

To some, the remedy for all the ills today is purely economic - hence everyone can be brought. Values of Morality, integrity and conscience had no place in the grand design.
Only the price needs to be haggled over - sometimes it is chauvinistic rhetoric, sometimes it is lucrative/cheap contracts, and at other times it is just powerful political posts.
Often though, just chest-thumping patriotism and a glittering skyline to gawk at would do well enough to capture the imagination of the gawking "proles", while the beneficiaries of "affirmative action for the rich" do shopping in London with the plunder of the nations wealth.
Everybody can and should be bought - it is how the politics of Malaysia works for the future, under the rule of "certain parties".

It was this NEP that was used as the vehicle to artificially create "the rich" of a certain "politically affiliated race" through the sins of envy, pride and greed. The "privileged rich" were used as heroes to inflate the racist pride & ego with plenty of hot air and mediocrity, instead of real industry.
The result is what we have today - a state (no, not a nation - we do not deserve that stature as yet) which is rotting from the corruption that's been eating it within for the last 25 yrs.

It is all about giving "enough" to some people, so that a certain "bogeyman"-race isn't victimised for their industry ..... and that "enough", is subject to the whims and fancy of the pirates.

NEP : Trading Rights for "Peace and Prosperity"
http://cruzinthots.blogspot.co...e-and.html
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written by admiral Tojo, August 08, 2008 16:47:34
RPK,
what you said in your article is the result of a big corruption, as presented by the Arab Religion. There exist a clear escape clause in their religion, which is - no matter how bad you are, as long as you say the 'Syahadah' before your last breath to die, you will ultimately end up in heaven. You also can erase ALL your wrong doings if you go and do your pilgrimage to Mecca. UMNO politicians do it anually, staying at 5 star hotels there.If their sin is big, they will bring their mother in law along.

This is where the ultimate corruption, of what is a beautiful and universal DEEN as presented by Quran, into just another ritualistic religion, by the Arabs.

Ask most of them whether they understand their Book that they are fond of swearing upon, and most will say NO. They however will say, their Imam says this and their Mullah says that and they follow blindly, because they can, when confronted, pass the buck so to speak.

Now you can appreciate why most of them are HYPOCRITES - Munafeequns. Get rid of this big lie that they attribute to GOD knowingly, and hopefully there is hope for them to revert to the correct path (DEEN).

Salaam
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written by RBJ, August 08, 2008 17:00:07
DEAR RPK

I SALUTE YOU!

GOD IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSON
BUT
GOD IS A RESPECTOR OF PRINCIPLES

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written by panca, August 08, 2008 17:07:54
And thereafter, the Police shall be de-trained and re-trained to be a respectable public security force Malaysian can reckoned with!

Support Change.
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written by debids, August 08, 2008 17:24:50
In govt school nowadays, the kids are classified as murid-murid Islam and murid-murid moral..if the school were to have a year end party or any activity and there is food involved, the kids are segregated into different ends of the class! This happens in a school in Subang Jaya where my kids go to....makes one feel so un-Malaysian....so un-wanted in our own country. And yet, we are served beef curry but when we say, sorry, but I'm hindu...we get a reply like...tak apalah, makan kari sahaja, jangan makan daging yang ada...DUH!!!
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written by ahmisk, August 08, 2008 18:28:08
"All mankind is from adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action."
- From the last sermon of the Prophet Muhammad.
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written by renoir, August 08, 2008 18:29:52
RPK's blaming hypocritical Muslims because, within the context of this country, they're the powerholders. That's the correct approach, for THE SAME SITUATION WILL ARISE UNDER ANY GOVERNMENT BASED ON ANY RELIGION. As an American statesman once pointed out, under a theocracy, half the population would become hypocrites, and the other half liars. Government can indeed be inspired by the universal good of religions, but because those who govern are very, very fallible humans, the interpretation of religion must never be placed in their hands. This is the strongest reason for the separation of Church and State.

LChuah
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written by inoi, August 08, 2008 18:55:43
Sebelum ini saya tak pernah undi kerana percaya politik itu kotor,tetapi sekarang pendirian saya telah berubah kerana ketidakadilan yang dibawa oleh Barua Nasional dan anjing-anjing suruhannya.saya akan undi pembangkang untuk membawa angin perubahan supaya generasi anak cucu kita tidak sengsara dan derita dibawah dinasti UMNO.tidak ada satupun dinasti di dunia ini yang kekal beribu-ribu tahun.
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written by malgal, August 08, 2008 18:56:04
the peddlers of evil are entangled in their own web of deceit. Truth eventually triumphs, let's cleave on to this. What else is left?
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written by aris, August 08, 2008 19:07:15
Dear RPK,
I agree with your observations. There is much work to be done to put the country on the right track.
Given below is one of my many experiences.
Many years ago I was head of a college with a sizable population of Malay students. The hostel we ran was predominantly Malay. In spite of the security at the hostel drug pushers managed to get to the students. When the situation became uncontrollable, I approached Narcotics and PDRM for surveillance. Both declined citing logistic problems. My little knowledge of narcotics was of no use. I was ‘losing’ the students and I was angry with myself for not knowing what to do.
Anyway with the help of an aide I did a ‘citizen’s arrest’ of two students whom many of us at the college suspected were the culprits and handed them to the police for further action. I cooperated with the police on the procedure part and left. Back at the office I tried contacting the parents but failed because the phone numbers weren’t working.
Two days later one of the students father together with a welfare officer came charging into my office. They confronted me saying what I did was wrong and that I also failed to report the matter to him. He demanded that I apologise in writing.
I did not want to waste time with the abusive father, so I prepared and gave the letter of apology to him. Before handing him the letter I told the father that if my letter of apology can help save his son’s live I will be more than happy to write as many letters of apology as he wants. With that the father left never to return. How I wish my letters can save young lives!
I am not sure how bad the drug abuse situation is in the country now. How sincere are the law and drug enforcement agencies in their work? What is point when Malay enforcement officers are not prepared to help keep Malay boys and Girls away from drug abuse? What is wrong with our society?
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written by Taiping60, August 08, 2008 19:11:24
Anwar,

Promise is acceptable for now since you are not there yet. But once you are there, we expect delivery, accountablility and transparency.

Those who break the law will have to be prosecuted and found true they have to be severely deal with.

We want improvement in all areas starting with crucial areas such as elimination of corruption. That means you have to introduce a very transparent system for project awards and also review of current maintenance and operation cost.

Secondly, we want security to improve.

Thirdly, total revamp of the education system.

Etc etc etc...

Good luck but if you dont walk the talk, we will come back to remove you and put someone else.
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written by InEffective, August 08, 2008 19:44:16

RPK may not be aware how in other nations, politicians (of other races and religions) also extort and exploit their populace even their own kind.
(examples abound - try indonesia, papua new guinea, india (certain states), phillipines, burma....)

Its not religious or race driven behavior.
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written by Bhsalleh, August 08, 2008 19:45:52
Given the present state of affairs, I am of the opinion that, calling or attempting to label Malaysia as a Islamic Country will only downgrade Islam itself. Malaysia will not suffer if it is not associated with Islam. Instead it is Islam that will be debased if it is used as descriptive of Malaysia. So please do not call Malaysia, in its present form, an Islamic state. It only makes me ashamed to be a Muslim.
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written by The bags, August 08, 2008 19:54:59
RPK , you are future muslim leader , Bill Gates in 15th century . Pls be carefull I do not want my idol end up in jail ....RPK can u change Malaysian attention from Anwar case to Altantuya's ? Anwar case is nothing compared to Altantuya . Saiful is not dead , but Altantuya is and Bala missing . Anwar is a commom citizen compared to Altantuya's case maybe will involved top goverment official . Wht happen to yr and Bala 's SD , seems quite . Maybe somebody intent to divert our attention .
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written by born2reign, August 08, 2008 20:30:42
Irregardless of one's religion, let's see how they walk. A Buddhist can meditate daily and burn incense in the temple, but may still womanise and gamble like there's no tomorrow. Let's look at how they walk, as talk is cheap. Let's ensure in future the govt forms has no spaces to fill in "Race" and "Religion" coz to do evil is so natural to man. Only the civilised can exercise self-control from the 7 deadly sins.

Obviously our govt officials are still swinging from trees to trees. This can be a great tourist attraction, the modern Apes in suits.
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written by densemy, August 08, 2008 21:37:23
Why not promise to be a good and non hypocritical human being???

Whats so special about being a Muslim??

...and this is a secular country treat it as such
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written by pedagogical, August 08, 2008 21:55:05
As I can see it,our leaders are too consumed with greed that even religion has been pushed aside to achieve their ambition.They will stop at nothing
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written by TwilightYears, August 08, 2008 21:57:39
"At best, those not of the Muslim faith are merely running dogs of the Muslims. These running dogs lie to their people by claiming that they are looking after the interest of their community whereas they are really selling their community down the drain and subjecting their community to the whims and fancies of the Muslims who are running this country." This description of running dogs picking up droppings from UMNOputra is so apt for MCA and MIC. Samy and LingLiongSik (and his two billionair sons) have hidden enough wealth to last hundreds of generation of Ling and Vello.

For Muslims, please remember what Allah SWT dislikes.. and please always remember Allah and He will remember you. It has been so clearly written in the Holy Quran that:
1. Allah does not like corruption (2:205)
2. Allah does not like aggressors (2:190)
3. Allah does not like the unjust (3:57)
4. Allah does not like the extravagant (7:31)
5. Allah does not like the arrogant (16:32)
6. Allah does not like the traitors (8:5smilies/cool.gif

Muslims who do not know how to be a Muslim due to ignorance is forgivable. Muslims who declare themselves learned Muslims but do not carry out the duties of a true Muslim are TRAITORS to the great religion called Islam.

If Anwar can carry out all the above, he has done justice to the cause of Islam. Is he the right one to carry this torch? I would prefer RPK.


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written by Spear Bing, August 08, 2008 21:59:51
Here is one true blue Malaysian who embraces fearlessness 24/7. For one who has broken the traditional boundaries of decorum and 'adat resam' inherent in the practice of royal lineage culture, RPK knows and preaches the tenets of the fearless ones.

In the historical past and present, the fearless ones are far and few between that can be seen dotting the political landscape.

For the fearless one like RPK, he has transcended the boundaries of religion, race, and creed, one who speaks with fear or favour, even to the extent of endangering his own life as well as his family.

RPK - The Fearless One. Thou shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven within. Thou shall truly be inducted into the Hall of the Fearless One.

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written by Spear Bing, August 08, 2008 22:00:56
Sorry - typo error

" one who speaks without fear or favour"
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written by timberguy, August 08, 2008 22:21:18
We should really stop saying ANYTHING nice about "Pak Lah". He is one of the most conniving, sleazy and deceitful persons around. He pretends to be “Mr Nice”, or to be slow, not really bothered or involved, but that all is not true! He is a cunning politician of Machiavellian treats (like Mahathir), but is nowhere near capable like DrM. He, his scheming and corrupt SIL and his son Kamal, are running the country for their own family benefit, without caring a bit for the country, or God forbid, its citizens. DSAI is right in describing the current values of Malaysian Muslim society today and I firmly state that most of Malaysian Muslims uphold great values of justice, fairness, honesty and truth, but our BN government and their cronies are all the opposite. Let's pray God interferes and we get DSAI or somebody from PR as our PM to, AT LEAST, try to put things right! RPK, you are a great example of a brave and principled Malaysian. We salute you!
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written by SUV, August 08, 2008 22:24:30
Tulang Besi said...
Bagi yang marah dengan saya, tolong minta Ustaz Nasa bersumpah maklumat yang saya dapat ini tidak betul:

Bahawa Ustaz Nasa ada no telefon Saiful Bukhari dan beliau telah cuba untuk mengadakan pertemuan Saiful dengan Dr Harun Din.

Malangnya Dr Harun Din merasakan perkara ini adalah tersangat salah dan tidak mahu terlibat langsung.

Sila dapatkan penafian Ustaz Nasa.

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written by Jit Dharma, August 08, 2008 22:45:51
Our troubles are really a consequence of this one-party feudalist state. We have
not matured to the point that we can stop meekly agreeing to the actions of half-baked political opportunists who have turned themselves into the new aristocracy.
This is an Asian and not necessarily a Muslim attitude. Look around and see how
many one party states there are feeding of the life blood of it's citizens and
doing violence against them with impunity. I pray that we are going to soon be free from all these animals. They are bastards of the highest order.
God bless you Brother RPK, it takes a lot of real pain to make you say what is
for the benefit of those who truly love this country.
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written by Kingstonian, August 08, 2008 23:19:15
Dear RPK,

There may be some serious issues with the bulk of the 1.2 million muslim chaps you are referring to but they don't represent all of us and neither do you.

So, please speak for yourself and don't paint all of us with the same brush. Maybe you should also educate the readers that Islam does not allow swearing, name calling and slander. I am not sure whether you have slandered people with your half-truths but I have certainly observed a lot of name calling and swearing. Criticizing in the strongest terms is fine but be aware that when you resort to swearing and name calling, it is not in the right spirit of Islam. Hence, I hope that you yourself will not suffer the same fate of hypocricy that you are condemning the rest of us with.

For the record, I think you are doing a lot of good exposing the people and problems in the country but you have probably been talking to the wrong Muslims.

Wassalam
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written by Richy, August 08, 2008 23:21:40
To me God is ONE and we created holy books. If the religion RPK professes refer to Islam and if this is how Islam must be practiced, I would not mind joining RPK following his faith because that is what I believe in.

But tell me Can I in this country?.
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written by alarcarte, August 08, 2008 23:38:41
written by Kingstonian, August 08, 2008 | 23:19:15

There may be some serious issues with the bulk of the 1.2 million muslim chaps you are referring to but they don't represent all of us and neither do you.

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Agree with you, religion is faith and is between you and the all mighty one, these Monkeys are making use of religion to cheat and manipulate in order to get rich by using the name of all mighty Allah and in so doing they ruin ISLAM, one of the great religion of the World. Like it or not, mention to any Non Muslim foreigner that you are a Muslim will raise their eye brows and they will instantly treat you with caution. Its up the other millions of Muslims to correct this perception, the first thing to do is of course kick those so called UMNO Islamist out from the Government and show to the World that Muslim are not what they think they are!
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written by Kingstonian, August 08, 2008 23:46:02
Dear Rainbowseahorse, "The Muslim empire was built on cruelty and by the sword..."

Why don't you read Islamic history properly? If there was no freedom of religion, the whole of Jerusalem today would be Muslim and for that matter Spain when the Muslims ruled them.

If you think Muslim sources are biased and you want some fair minded non-Muslim assessment of Islamic history, maybe you should read the works of Thomas Carlyle, George Bernard Shaw or for a contemporary writer, Karen Armstrong.
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written by Kingstonian, August 09, 2008 00:08:07
written by alarcarte, August 08, 2008 | 23:38:41

"Like it or not, mention to any Non Muslim foreigner that you are a Muslim will raise their eye brows..."
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Agree, and a big part of the problem is also the media (why they do this, I leave it to your best judgement to decide)...The average American ain't very bright, and if you see the local news over there, you will understand why they raise their eyebrows: they are bombarded with constant negative images of Muslims all the time, so they think we are all terrorists. There is no mention that Islam forbids even in battle the killing of women, children, the old and non-combatants. What more the innocent in terrorist attacks. What should be reported is that Islam has been hijacked by a small minority to justify their actions.

Just to draw a parallel to another religious dispute, when I was in the UK, we all knew that the Irish conflict was also a religious one between the Catholics and the Protestants. When the IRA bombed pubs and killed innocent people, no right minded person would use that as an example to justify Christianity and terrorism.
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written by Fart Fart Wah, August 09, 2008 00:35:35
This is what I expect from persons educated in religion.

some learn learn religion to become uneducated

I do not know which Allah UMNO's top bigots are worshipping.but it can be seen that they aim to make Allah a pawn...that is why PAS even spits on them...

ARE THE MALAY MUSLIMS Mad STUPID OR BLIND.

a vice president takes the rakyat's money to Australia, commits ZINA adultery with a princess, insults the King and tries to cover it up..and yet UMNO todya has taken him as their vice president..

another ..one raped a 15 year old girl..covereed it up..paid of the girl, threatened...today he is a TAn SRi..

another vice president..aiming to be the PM bought his present wife by paying off her former husband RM100,000 and today is causing havoc to the Malay Muslim population by using sodomy charges..making the whole world laugh at Malays..
and be spit upoun as a race that has no morals..and yet Malays are still accepting him..alathough he has a many records of having been caught with his pants down with other women...
THERE IS ample evidence to question his involvement in a grizzly murder and yet the courts do not dare to bring him in...

look at the police...they are involved in and managing crimes..are working with thugs and syndicates...

Hello Malays look at all your leaders...are they MUSLIMs starting with the MAMAK who has caused the whole of Malaysia to be in this shi*t.

And look at Pak Goncang Lah...he has qualified in Islamic matters ..and right before his eyes he knows things are not correct following the Islamic codes..and he is quiet as a mouse....

Right Minded Malays must give Islam its due place and respect..YOU must change the current set of UMNO bigots....THEY ARE PROSTITUTING ISLAM.
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written by temanmu, August 09, 2008 00:43:02
Consensual sex... one persons word against another! How to prove?

Is the Prosecution going to bring up 1 or 2 witnesses to say so? The govt is really desperate to hang on to power ... but this time they have bet the house and will lose it very soon!

BTW, I now owe RPK a (halal) drink ... how abt roti canai too!



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written by prof, August 09, 2008 01:02:57
UMNO people always promise God that they will be good and non-hypocritical Muslims but they ended up being more and more hypocritical. Have their prayers been rejected by Allah? Have they been cursed till eternity?
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written by goman2k3, August 09, 2008 01:06:48
SETUJU DSAI and RPK and many more good muslims that believe in fairness and justice. That is all every Malaysian need to enrich the Nation. Not those hypocrit, good for nothing, corrrupted UNMO. They are not only 4 but 40 000 corrupted officials that need to be put into jail when DSAI is the PM. As his Kakak said the BN are afraid of DSAI because if he becomes the PM the bad guys will all be thrown into jail but at least we will give them a fair trial but will give them a big rottan if found guilty. Guilty Guilty!!
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written by tenang, August 09, 2008 01:23:53
written by renoir, August 08, 2008 | 18:29:52

RPK's blaming hypocritical Muslims because, within the context of this country, they're the powerholders. That's the correct approach, for THE SAME SITUATION WILL ARISE UNDER ANY GOVERNMENT BASED ON ANY RELIGION. As an American statesman once pointed out, under a theocracy, half the population would become hypocrites, and the other half liars. Government can indeed be inspired by the universal good of religions, but because those who govern are very, very fallible humans, the interpretation of religion must never be placed in their hands. This is the strongest reason for the separation of Church and State.

LChuah


I think there is good point put forward here. I would like to add that there is a reality that we need to face squarely and couragously. The reality is that although human beings of all ages have created governments out of necessity, the goverments from time to time end up to have a life of its own and often amass disportional power over the people; Those powers are abusive, as portrayed through human history. As much as I would like to agree with RPK on the fight again religious hypocracy, I do not think draging religion values into the public stage (and political stage) is addressing the aforementioned reality squarely. To face the reality, I think we need to create the counter balance to government power. One of the known methods of containing the government is to creat a wall between the government and religion institutions; That is, a wall is created, in one form or other suited to local culture, to prevent government (and politicians)from attaining super-charged power through religion institutions.
Between the two aspects of reality, which one do we, who are public citizen and activists, have better chance of resolving it satisfactory for our governing structure:
1) Government "natural" tendency to amass disproportional power
2) Individuals' fallability due to human weaknesses

I will argue our public resources (including blogging) are well spent to address the 1st aspect of reality above through drawing the battle ground of "Goverment versus the People". The crude form of the public resources, including the government and other political forces such as blogging, is ill-suited for addressing the above 2nd aspect of reality.

So, I advocate "government is necessary, but government is scary monster to be put under control". For that, the people need to be unified to fight in the battle ground of "Goverment versus the People", until we the people achieve the upper hand. If you believe in that goal and approach, could you, regardless how religous you are, still not subscribe to the Principle of Separation of State and Church (i.e. Religion Institutions)?
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written by Bigdawg, August 09, 2008 02:23:47
Let's not dig too deeply into the bad traits of people, since both good and bad are in the mix.

Throughout my life, I have had crushes on some Malay muslim girls, but because of the religious divide, these could not develop into relationships.

Being non-muslim, I treasure my right to drink and bet in lotteries, and eat anything i liked. Muslims equally treasure their right to multiple wives. Sigh....the Malaysian race is an impossible dream.
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written by Enforcer, August 09, 2008 03:22:22
The RAKYAT who are non Muslim or non Islam does not care what RACE or RELIGION the PEOPLE running the government belongs to!
All we PEACE LOVING RAKYAT - MALAYSIANS - want is TRANSPARENCY, FAIRNESS, EQUALITY for ALL RAKYAT!
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written by Kotadamansara73, August 09, 2008 07:58:37
ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE LIE. EVERYBODY HAS DESIRE FOR SEX. EVERYBODY HAS DESIRE FOR PONOGRAPHY. DIG UP AS MUCH DIRT ABOUT PAS OR UMNO POLITICIANS, AND YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW DIRTY THEY ARE.

RELIGIONS ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOST. THEY NEED RELIGION BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO PEACE IN HEART. THAT IS ALL.

ANY COUNTRY THAT USES RELIGION TO RULE WILL DOOM TO FAILURE AND HIPOCRASY
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written by 1eyecls, August 09, 2008 09:22:24
the foam just came out frm Hamidi's mouth(a extremely hypocritical muslim as mentioned):"jangan usik kami,jangan cuba cabar kami,kesabaran kami ada hadnya!"

some ppl said,malays should unite first,than other races will follow suit subsequently!i will show them my fist with middle-finger to those who supported this stupid remark!it is bcos you all too concentrated on malays' privilages and cleverly marginalised other races,how to unite all races??????

stupid muslims,i say even cina and india also have plenty of stupid muslims,not only malaysia!The Olympic slogan for BEIJING 2008 is "one world,one dream!",and our UMNO leader like Hamidi's foam leaking frm his tongue and gave stern warning:"jangan buat kami bersatu,bila kami bersatu,barulah kamu tau .......",stupid racist remark,vision 2020 still has 12 years to reach,DUDE!kami bersatu,barulah kamu tau .......",
Hoi,dunia pun satu mimpi,UMNO melayu nak berapa???
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written by nero287, August 09, 2008 09:22:47
RPK,
I am a non-muslim, but I have many good Muslim friends. They tell me that a Muslim is one who prays and adheres to the tenets of Islam. In fact, Muslim is a referral to the prayer mat. Hence, can you really classify these people as Muslims? I think not. They are without religion. Better still their religion is money and power. They pray to their upper leaders and as insulting as it may sound, I suggest that they bow towards Putrajaya five times a day instead of Mecca. They fear their leader in Putrajaya more than the wrath of God. May they rot in hell. And this goeas for all the Hindu, Buddhist, Christians and others who tolerate and support such 'kafirs' in Putrajaya! Keep up the good work RPK.
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written by temenggong, August 09, 2008 09:32:42
Oddly enough, the religion as explained by rpk, muftimurtad and admiral tojo is my religion too. All this while I didn't know that malays called my religion as 'islam'.

It looks like my religion is also the official religion of Malaysia! Thats great! Sounds good!

So looks like I do not have to explain and hard sell my religion, as its already well known! Saves a lot of time.
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written by said, August 09, 2008 11:18:52
RPK, history will be kind to you and others who are so blatantly brave and honest in exposing the Malaysian ills. Generations to come will remember you well in written and oral history.
It has been many years since I went into a mosque to pray because I know of so many muslims who were and are horrible hypocrites. It is just a state of their mind that those hypocrites feel blessed or forgiven. Just look at all the Barisan MPs and officials. They show how corruption is done, to the tune of billions of ringgit in money, properties, land, shares etc and many departments follow them, getting more and more disorganized through swindling and corruption at the top. And the situation is getting more widespread. Corruption is on the table now, not under the table. They defraud, murder, sleep with mafia ‘Tengku’ Goh and BK Tan who provide them with prostitutes provided to them, bash rakyat etc. And they are all frightened and desperate to lose power so they use any crooked means to hang on- without any rule of law.
The corrupted billions swindled by Barisan, Umno, officials are worth among others, 200,000 low cost houses a year to the poor Malays, Chinese, Indians, Kadazans, Dayaks and others; and 10,000 ringgit free a year can be given to another 100,000 poor people.
Barisan, Umno live luxurious lives while they live off the poor by taking food off our mouths and make slaves of us.
Barisan, Umno are a bunch of mother****ing pigs.
I just cannot understand why the Agong who is supposed to keep a check on the govt yet does nothing. The Agong, sultans and their families are just the same as they clap and cheer to the obscenities of Barisan, Umno.
Oh, you pig****ers

Barisan, Umno pigs turn more and more rakyat to take part in illegal and corrupted activities because when Barisan, Umno are all in it bigtime, why can’t rakyat be in it too?
Malaysia is turning into a lawless society, only because there is no rule of law practised by Barisan lawmakers at the top.

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written by k4kenny, August 09, 2008 11:25:05
I just wonder how many Muslim friends are like RPK who speaks from the heart and the truth out there??? I have long wanted to say this in the open but kept in my mind for fear of "hurting" our Muslim friends or worse still being "hammered" by the overzealous leftists.

Just look at the news in malaysiakini.com about the development of a FORUM touching on religious issues. The leftists are getting involved, amid violent behaviour, the police are issuing warnings, the DPM is against it....WHERE IS DEMOCRACY IN MALAYSIA???

It's a forum anyway and it is not going to take away anything from nobody! It's not going to grab a piece of the Malay rights! There is NO REASON to fear this sort of gathering. The same thing happened in such forum in Penang not long ago.

I have Muslim friends and my young daughter has Muslim friends too. They joined in the fun when she celebrated her 10th birthday. The young ones started their friendship without prejudice. WHY CAN'T WE adULTS DO THE SAME NOWadAYS? In fact the role of the Government is to instill such "love" for all our brothers and sisters irrespective of religion or faith. smilies/shocked.gif

RPK, I hope you will continue to TEACH AND guide all the hypocrites in Malaysia that WE ARE ALL ONE HEART, ONE NATION. Thank you for standing by us without fear or favor! May GOD Bless You always!
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written by k4kenny, August 09, 2008 11:28:29
O yes, I'm going to contribute 3 votes to DSAI in the coming by-election in Pmtg Pauh. All in the family spirit!

http://kennykhor.blogspot.com
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written by riau, August 09, 2008 11:56:56
Just a pause... when DSAI becomes the PM, does he have the necessary upright, competent and compassionate men and women to form the PR government? Will RPK step-up to the plate, Insyallah? I call on RPK to contest in one of the bye-elections under the PR banner and avail yourself to the run the Home Ministry.
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written by jasonkay, August 09, 2008 12:03:04
conversion forum being stopped showed us that more muslim in malaysia are bad muslim as told by RPK.....
why so afraid of having a talk on ur religion??
let us learn together without any so called provocation in the name of religion....
people fighting n fighting n fighting, boasting,boasting,boasting about each others religion.......
as for myself, i dont give a s#it about religion or god, i dont argue about it at anytime or any place....what i used to argue n stern in my belief is that dont forget that we have human beings,people,masses to look after.......

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written by jasonkay, August 09, 2008 12:11:43
we must love and unite everyone........
dun divide the masses using religion........
forum being stopped causes more anger n friction among non-muslims........
if this manipulation continues in the name of islam, malay rights n so on, non-muslims will surely look down on muslims n hate them to the max.......
let the religion alone,it din bring much of gudness,rather daily so much of hatred among people, confusing the masses, war here n there........ really hate this........
let the people live peacefully......
dun hurt peoples feelings in the name of religion, any religion........

god is love ...love is god........nothing else......
love people, care for one another, dun let anyone suffer or create hatred becoz of religion.........

RPK ur articles, thoughts on being a muslim is great.....
love to have people like u more in malaysia.....
long live RPK.....
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written by jasonkay, August 09, 2008 12:20:02
i agree with KOTadAMANSARA73......
well said......
having n bein in a religion is like a bird which can fly in freedom bein locked up in cage.....
as such we human being wit de faculty of 6th sense,can do much to live magnificently, gain much experiences to evolve... but instead caught up in religion,blocked our experiences n die like a pig...............

religious people is not inteligent...inteligent people dun talk religion...
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written by RickK, August 09, 2008 12:21:31
Written by Kingstonian:

1."If you think Muslim sources are biased and you want some fair minded non-Muslim assessment of Islamic history, maybe you should read the works of Thomas Carlyle, George Bernard Shaw or for a contemporary writer, Karen Armstrong."

I'm not sure about the former two but Armstrong should surely NOT be counted as objective as she is a much sought after speaker and apologist for Islam.By her own admission,she has leanings towards Islam.

2."Just to draw a parallel to another religious dispute, when I was in the UK, we all knew that the Irish conflict was also a religious one between the Catholics and the Protestants. When the IRA bombed pubs and killed innocent people, no right minded person would use that as an example to justify Christianity and terrorism"


The above is a favourite example quoted to show that Christians also kill each other in the name of religion.But actually,if you look at the politics of Northern Ireland,it is an oversimplification to say that religious belief and doctrinal differences are the causes for conflict in that war. It goes much deeper and is far more complex. The problem more racial-political than religious,but it appears to be religious because the opposing parties are either are aligned with the nationalist Irish who are Roman Catholic and those who prefer to be part of the UK (who are Protestants and non Irish).Today,it is definitely not the same as the Sunni-Shia conflict.
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written by takbolehtahan, August 09, 2008 12:53:16
This is a very beautiful statement. The first 3 paragraphs would be a very good start as the Party's Values.

The PR part has 3 parties to complete the triangle: while PKR le*** the country, DAP & PAS should be the watchdogs to ensure that good governance is upheld all the way for the prosperity of the country and its people.

However, when (and I mean 'when' not 'if') you, Anwar, come into power, we trust you will not do a 'Badawi' on us. Let's not even think what will happen if you do.
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written by Kingstonian, August 09, 2008 16:52:48
written by RickK, August 09, 2008 | 12:21:31

1) "By her own admission, she has leanings towards Islam"

I don't know about Armstrong's inclinations but the fact of the matter is that here is a non-muslim British lady who has studied the subject and if she has found some good reason to take such a position based on her research, well good for her!

2. "The above is a favourite example quoted to show that Christians also kill each other in the name of religion."

I think you've missed the point. I was trying to say that there are examples such as these present but even then, we don't and shouldn't take the view that Christians kill in the name of religion.

And for that matter, if you care to do some research and just go a little more(you don't have to go deep!) into the Sunni-Shia conflict you fill find it is essentially a political one. Even the meaning of Shia refers to the party of Ali!!! It started because of a difference in opinion over leadership succession. This is not the same as the Catholics and Protestants who have different Bibles and doctrinal variations, on top of political issues (i.e. if you trace it to the time when Henry VIII separated from Rome)
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written by shiokguy, August 09, 2008 17:29:31
Dear RPK

Coming from you as a Muslim, I am totally touched and know that Malaysia does has hope. I belief a lot of Muslim also think like you except they don't dare to voice it out, else they will be called traitor.

Looking at the video and also picture of Bar council Forum, I was so sad,, and shake my head.. worst thing.. one of the leader of the protest is an MP from PR..

Thank you brother!

Shiok Guy
http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/
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written by captmarco ramius, August 09, 2008 18:19:07
I am a HINDU,but if I am not mistaken,the Holy Quran says :

I DO NOT PRAY TO WHAT/WHO YOU PRAY TO,
YOU DO NOT PRAY TO WHAT/WHO I PRAY TO,
UPON YOU YOUR GOD,AND UPON ME MY GOD.

Can't we all just accept the fact of this Holy book and at least try to live in harmony instead of always going for one anothers throat in the name of religion and in the name of the ALMIGHTY himself ???
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written by einstonedz, August 09, 2008 19:00:17
How can a Muslim who believes in justice promotes the GREATEST OPPRESSION ever?

God Almighty said: "Verily committing shirk (joining in worship others along with God, i.e worshiping Jesus, Ezra, Muhammad, Ali, Buddha, Angels, Rocks, Idols, Mountains, Sun, Moon, Stars...etc) is the GREATEST OPPRESSION" (Luqman:13)

My Fellow Countrymen,

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". Many of us rely on our government to do the right thing, but yet not many of us are doing the right thing. We look on our government to uphold justice, yet we let loose oppression amongst ourself, towards ourself and above all towards our creator.

Mr. RPK,

You are a Muslim, you know the difference between a good Muslim and a bad Muslim. You identify the good Muslims as those that promotes all religion as true and label the bad Muslims as those that acts in accordance to what God has said.

1. Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm (3:19)

2. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him (3:85)

How can you claim those who protect the fundamental aspect of their religion (The rights of God to be the one the have the sole right to be worship) to be bad Muslims? Yes, the Muslims need to learn to respect other religion. But that doesn't mean that they accept them as the religion of truth. How can a Muslim sit back while there are those that defiles the prophet Jesus may the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him by calling him the son of God. A claim in which God himself cleared Jesus to be free of. This is the claims of those that have violated the rights of God who is free from any imperfections.

Mr RPK, You are a man who upholds justice. You know who is bad and who is good. You know what is right and what is wrong. Wouldn't it be the greatest wrong to allow the GREATEST OPPRESSION?

I pray that God Almighty shines the guidance unto your heart. And to all of those that loves justice and hates oppression.

P/s: If this seems offending to you, know it is not mean to offend anyone, rather to reflect upon our situation.
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written by Abajawi, August 09, 2008 19:13:58
I hope one of the first things that DSAI as new PM will do is to slash the salaries of the PM, DPM, cabinet members, judges, etc. in the govt by a substantial amount; and use the saving in the budget to raise the living std of the poor. The ministers are over-paid by a few multiple of their need for decent living. On top of that they have substantial allowances--they do not pay anything for their daily expenses. They have drivers to drive them, servant allowances paid by the govt., etc. Their salaries and entertainment allowances are almost intact at the end of the month. SO why pay them exhorbitant salaries?? How about making this promise also, DSAI?
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written by Abajawi, August 09, 2008 19:22:53
Guys, please watch his video of talk by Mr Bilal (formerly non-Muslim).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL8MbPFsQZw
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written by Abajawi, August 09, 2008 19:25:06
Who is this guy Bilal Philips? Read wikepedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Philips
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written by Ben, August 09, 2008 22:35:14
So many assumptions and so many disagreements but RPK many admonishments still holds water. God created us in His image and our fellowship with Him was the main reason we were created. It is also the reason why Eve was created for adam (representing Man). But man fell short of his glory. Hypocrisy is not the only sin of the flesh. This truth still stands even till this day.

When Abraham was 99 years old and his son Ishmael(of Hagar and Abraham), was 13 years old, every male in Abraham household was circumcised as a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God. And as Abraham said to God in Genesis 17:18; "If only Ishmael will live under Your blessing.". God heard him and blessed him in Genesis 17:20; "....I will make him fruitful and will increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.". Thus despite their differences, Islam and Christianity not only share the same Divine Origin and the same Abrahamic heritage, but the same two greatest commandments. A Common Word Between Us and You is an open letter that had been signed by 138 Muslim religious leaders and scholars when it was published on 11 October 2007. Over 250 have now signed it. The letter sought to identify "love of God and love of neighbour" as common ground from which Muslims and Christians might advance dialogue and collaboration and so "vie with each other only in righteousness and good works; to respect each other, be fair, just and kind to another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill".

If we are to do God's will, then let us start by obeying His two greatest commandments. The Anglican Archbishop has widely circulated a response to the above initiative by Muslims in a letter known as "A Common Word for the Common Good.". In his letter Dr Williams said "We are deeply appreciative of the initiative you have taken and welcome A Common Word Between Us and You as a significant development in relations between Christians and Muslims". He reflected on what he calls "the hospitable and friendly spirit" of the original letter, acknowledging it as a timely initiative "given the growing awareness that peace throughout the world is deeply entwined with the ability of all people of faith everywhere to live together in peace, justice, mutual respect and love." The Archbishop explores how the Christian understanding of love of God and love of neighbour - seen as a response to God's love for humankind and his creation - provide the basis on which Christians and Muslims can take practical steps together for a "radical, transforming, non-violent engagement with the deepest needs of our world and our common humanity".

Yes, RPK's challenge is good for the muslims and non-muslims (even though we don't run this nation). Find God's love, embrace it and out of the abundance of this love, love your neighbour. May God's grace and mercy flow through our nation under siege and heal us as we abide in His greatest commandments.

Please seehttp://www.acommonword.com/
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written by James Loh, August 10, 2008 02:07:15
Recently, the protestors shouted "Hidup Islam" against the forum organized by the Bar Council. Why did the protestor against the forum? Did the forum demonized Islam? It was just a forum to discuss about "conversion to Islam". I've always believe that Islam is a religion of tolerance. I've always disagree with western news that demonized Islam. Also, during March 8 PAS lead to me to believe that Islam is a moderate and tolerance religion. But the protest organized by PAS have lead me to believe the opposite. PAS has lost my support. It lead me to believe they do not represent ALL MALAYSIAN. As RPK told us before, MUSLIMS are the majority in this country. The King and State sultans are Muslims. The country national religion is Islam. Why shout "HIDUP ISLAM"? Is ISLAM being threaten by anybody? Islam is about the way of life.

Peace to all Malaysian
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written by danielcheah, August 10, 2008 02:46:24

I always believe in the fact that; it's not the problem you should tackle, but the root of the problem. Tackling Mat Rempit, robbery, rape crime etc..; by getting more petrol police in the area that it occurs the most, increasing the sentencing years, even by making it a death penalty will not stop nature of man. I'm not addressing male; i meant mankind.

To me, religions separates mankind; agree or not is up to you, Raja. or unless you could prove me wrong.

Most of the time I ask Muslims around when i met, "why do you worship and pray 5 times a day? Why do you fast? etc" To them it's just rituals. It's like getting to school, what do you do in the morning when you wake up? The toilet first or the breakfast? Or packing? It's a routine....

Where's the purpose?

It's like trying to date a girl, but when you don't even have to call her, you pick her up at 6pm, you ask the same routine questions, you get home and go to sleep. But make sure you meet her up every Tuesday and Thursday. Sooner or later, you lose out the purpose, and the "love" fades.....

Religions are just man made noun to call it. It's just a word made for it. Because everyone is calling it differently. However the one masterpiece we know about it is that, it's all about Allah.

If it's about Allah, then a relationship should exist. If love, which was invented by him was so tremendous, then what about the Almighty himself who made all things.

Just a note to you; Raja..

Condemning will not spark persuasion but fire. If what you say is truly the truth of it, then practice it by heart not by mind. persuasion works better as compare to discrimination, though it may be constructive. Lead by example, and the God up there would truly do the rest.

If man are made in the image of the Almighty, then it wouldn't surprise me that our hearts aren't made of stone. So does Najib, Badawi etc... they're still humans.

It's easy for us to say what we want in a blog, than for them to experience it themselves out there. It's easy to say no to sex than to be filled in an environment filled with them. It's easy to stand against corruption but when you're in it, it tells another story. All we can do is to stay off the border.

Their life isn't as easy as it is, i'm just trying to give a fair view here. What they need is to be tackled the root of the problem.

Note:Changing dresses everyday will not solve the appearance problem if someone has burnt his face. Changing the acceptance of the people around him will solve the problem.
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written by jack little, August 10, 2008 11:58:11
And I promise to be a good non-hypocritical Malaysian...

"who the cap fit, let them wear it"....
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written by Rainbowseahorse, August 10, 2008 15:43:08
James Loh writes: "Recently, the protestors shouted "Hidup Islam" against the forum organized by the Bar Council. Why did the protestor against the forum? Did the forum demonized Islam? It was just a forum to discuss about "conversion to Islam". I've always believe that Islam is a religion of tolerance..."

James, unfortunately the vast majority of Muslims in Mlaysia (and else where) does not want others to discuss Islam. Maybe they are afraid that merely discussing the topic might shake their faith in it. Did you see the look in that Zaid face on TV when he opposed to the forum? And the faces of those protesters??...Real fanatical and..yes..evil!
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written by Voltron, August 10, 2008 18:56:32
RPK, you are excellent...
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written by dassky2000, August 10, 2008 20:38:49
DAULAT TUANKU DAULAT TUANKU DAULAT TUANKU. RPK I SALUTE YOU
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written by dassky2000, August 10, 2008 20:39:57
If only every Malaysian is like you, we can go on leaving peacefully as brothers.
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written by ROBERTNGTG, August 10, 2008 20:55:53
I promise to be a good, non-hypocritical Muslim -- which I have chosen as the title of this piece, aptly describes what Anwar’s statement could have been called had he chosen to give it a heading. This is the crux of the problem. This is what ails our society. This is the root cause of the breakdown in morality and lack of values prevalent amongst those Muslims who walk in the corridors of power.
The Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and whatnot do not run this country. The majority of the 1.2 million leaders and civil servants are Muslims. The policies and direction of this country are charted and guided by the Muslims. It is the Muslims who practically have absolute say in how this country is run and in what happens in this country. At best, those not of the Muslim faith are merely running dogs of the Muslims.

AND ALL THIS KETUANAN SHIT BY AMENO FROM THE MAMAK, PM AND MSM, KEEP HARPING THAT THEY ARE LOSING POWER. ONLY RPK HAS THAT PERCEPTION TO SEE THE EVIL FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS. LETS HOPE THE GOOD MUSLIMS CAN SEE THIS, HEAR THIS AND RISE AND BE COUNTED MOST, STARTING WITH PERMATANG PAUH FOR DSAI.
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written by The bags, August 10, 2008 21:42:47
In Malaysia we are actually in peace because we can't express our opinion , declined our own right to freedom of speech even had to watch a BN control TV , reading BN control newspapers for decade . Until most of Malaysian forgot that we are being fooled , our minds being control . Is time to change that , Malaysian can not being divided by races . BN had used peace in exchange for freedom of speech , our minds still not free yet from races issues . Is time all Malaysian united as one race , Malay , Chinese , Indian , Sabahan etc are all one race... Malaysian .
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written by Puttut, August 11, 2008 07:34:00
Aiyoo,.....itu NAJIB ada sama sama NAJIS arrr ada olang boleh tolong explain sama gua arrr?
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written by Tom n Jerry, August 11, 2008 07:59:21
I like to add some details to *born 2reign*about his description of Buddhist which is totally out of context;I would presume he is a *religious pig*-at the very least Buddhist are very conscientious & tolerant;they allow muslims to cook beef in their premises;how about some muslims allowing their chinese housemates cooking pork for a change in their premise;it seems that third world war will start if this thing happens! smilies/grin.gif
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written by ugikmto, August 11, 2008 10:52:15
Dear Pete, there is no such phrase says "Muslims do not know how to be Muslims". Simply because if a person doesnt know to be Muslim then he/she is not Muslim. A person who does not know to be a doctor then he or she is not a doctor. same thing to other professions. Do you think so?
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written by antiilluminati, August 11, 2008 14:10:07
One will never realised the beauty of other religions if one closes his mind to himself.

I was born a buddhist, but my instinct of self existense made me read about all other religions. Frankly, i find all of them fascinating and truthful. Just like instead of seeing the normal light, now i sees all the colours that make up the usual light i saw .

My question is why is muslims so difficult to open their senses ?. What went wrong with Nabi Muhammad's teaching ?. Something is not right, will someone enlighten me on subject matter.
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written by sampat, August 13, 2008 12:45:39
I've grown up hearing about 'tolerance' and 'no compulsion' in Islam, but even as a child I've realized that its just lip service. I've read through the literal translations of the hadith and quran and 90% of it is nothing but references to how a person should be discrimnated, hated and dealt with based on his/her religion. It even drills down to gender and race.

Stalin ( or was it Hitler ) once said "Give me the first 5 years of your child's life, and he will be mine forever".
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 13, 2008 21:49:23
MOSAB HASSAN YOUSEF: I believe that all those walls that Islam built for the last 1,400 years are not existing (sic) anymore. They don't recognize this. They built those walls and made people ignorant because they're afraid. They didn't want people to discuss anything about the reality of Islam, about the big questions of Islam and they asked their followers, the Muslims, 'Don't ask about those certain questions.'

Mosab Hassan Yousef is an extraordinary young man with an extraordinary story. He was born the son of one of the most influential leaders of the militant Hamas organization in the West Bank and grew up in a strict Islamic family.

Read more of it at : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402483,00.html
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written by Kingstonian, August 14, 2008 01:24:19
Dear Sampat,

It's interesting how I've read the Qur'an and some Hadith but do not come across this 90% discrimination you are talking about. Matters of faith, standards and moral ethics, history of the world, earlier civilizations and prophets, divine signs and miracles, prophecies, the end of time, etc etc are the topics I come across. Amazing where you get this 90%. Perhaps you need another read. Salams (peace) to you and rest assured, I am not paying lip service!

Dear Malaysiaputra,

A fascinating conversion story. No doubt he has had bad life experiences in a painful part of the world but many statements about Islam are factually incorrect; instead it reflects how people react to the challenges they face in that part of the world, rather than Islamic teachings. To begin with, Islam does not allow the killing of the innocent (don't be misled by quotations out of context), period! For that matter, even in legitimate battles, the Prophet instructed not to harm women, children, the old and non-combatants. Try getting the US media to print that and enforcing UN resolution 242 on Israel. You know there were many fatwas coming out of the Islamic world (except Iraq) condemning September 11 but none were printed in the media. Alas, they prefer to widen the gap between people and print minority views to shape people's minds. I wonder why.

Have a read about Dr. Lawrence Brown, educated at Cornell and formerly with the US Air Force, and what he has to say about his conversion to Islam. Here it is:

http://www.leveltruth.org/index.asp
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 14, 2008 13:00:59
written by Kingstonian, August 14, 2008 | 01:24:19

Have a read about Dr. Lawrence Brown, educated at Cornell and formerly with the US Air Force, and what he has to say about his conversion to Islam. Here it is:

http://www.leveltruth.org/index.asp

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Dear Kingstonian,

I read Dr. Brown's testimony so, he has found God according to his experience. Then it is good for him but as for people like me , I have found what to me is the Only Way, a God who loves us and reaches down to us.

Anyway, Muslims believe that Isa is the one who will defeat the dajjal and not Muahammad the Prophet of Islam.
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written by Kingstonian, August 14, 2008 15:01:24
Dear Malaysiaputra,

Yes, according to Nabi Isa in the Bible: "on that day (refering to the day of Judgement), knoweth no man, not the son but the Father in heaven".

We are happy that God has chosen Nabi Isa to defeat the dajjal. The Qur'an tells us not to differentiate between the prophets i.e. it is not our business but God's, so if it is Nabi Isa who is destined to defeat the dajjal, then praise be to God.
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 14, 2008 16:11:10
Dear Kingstonian,

Nabi Isa, in the Bible has clearly stated that it is only through Him that one can go to God, the Father.

Also His teachings is not one of violence an opposed to that taught in Islam in the Hadiths.

He allows one to choose either to follow Him or not and does not instruct His followers to harm/kill those who did not want to follow Him.

He is also working miracles cures of the heart and the soul of those who call upon Him even today.

Even muslims who have dreams of Him instictively knows who He is.
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written by Kingstonian, August 14, 2008 18:52:25
Dear Malaysiaputra,

We have no problem with following Jesus' way and the way of all the prophets. Jesus said when you greet one another, let your greeting be Shalom Alaikum. Today, we see Muslims saying Assalamualaikum. Jesus used to fast, we fast today. When he prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, his bowed his head on to the ground. That's how we pray today.

Yes, he preached peace but when there was a legitimate reason to fight he also called on his disciples to do so, e.g. when he was anticipating his arrest in the garden of Gethsemane, he instructed his disciples to sell everything and buy a sword. What for? To have a barbeque?

Likewise, Islam only allows you to fight when you are being oppressed. If someone invades your home, what do you do? Invite them for pizza? Are you not allowed to defend yourselves?

Yes, we are happy to follow Jesus as a prophet. Even the Unitarians among the Christians believe this.
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written by Panca Indera, August 15, 2008 07:54:51
According to RPK the crux of the problem, the root cause of the breakdown in morality and lack of values prevalent amongst those Muslims who walk in the corridors of power are:
1.Corruption
2.Abuse of Power and
3.Mis-management
From the three above cruxes result exploitation, political prosecution, arrogance, racial discrimination or called symptoms. Then he furthers claims that real cause for all the above problems is: Muslims who do not know how to be Muslims.

I beg to differ for the following reason.
A Muslim by definition is a person(regardless of race or sex) who performs and obeys ALL the requirements as stipulated in their BOOK the QURAN. No IFS and BUTS.
To say a Muslim who did not know how to be Muslim is a contradictory statement as a Muslim is a person who practices ISLAM as per the QURAN.
If a person, (Malay, Chinese, Arab, Mamak, Indian, African, Japanese, European, Caucasian etc. etc) did not perform as per the Quranic orders, then that person is not 100% Muslim.
RPK keeps harping that the MAJORITY of this country are MUSLIMS! When they are NOT!
They are Malays who PROFESSED (To affirm openly; declare or claim) to be MUSLIMS.
Why the state of affairs?
Ask the Rulers and Sultans, who claimed to be the spiritual leaders of the Malays.
Everybody here claims to understand the problem and blames the Malays for their askew understanding of Islam. If so the REAL ROOT cause that nobody cares to analyze or examine in depth will be the MALAY RULERS themselves.
After all the common Malays by nature are a slow, submissive(some say “GENTLE”) and agricultural type of people ruled by a Feudal Lordship (the Sultan and the Palace) who now have been brainwashed by many(not to named those people) that the only way for them to successfully compete against the other race in business and education is to adopt their ways and discard the old ways.
That is one of the reasons(in my Mind) that the Malays have got it all wrong. By emulating the bad habits and business practices where everything is HALAL and the End justify the means, the Malays have lost their Muslimness and became just like the rest.
So Mister RPK and the Rest if You wants to blame the Malays for their STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE, RACISM and all the bad symptoms, BLAME their RULERS for letting it happened.
I dare every single one of you to challenge the present status quo of the Malay Rulership in this country and replace it with a TRULY DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.
NOBODY REALLY WANTS THE MALAYS TO CHANGE!
THE GOING IS TOO GOOD, ITS JUST THEY ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH OF WHAT THEY WANT.
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written by Panca Indera, August 15, 2008 08:55:48
Tom n Jerry
>>>How about some Muslims allowing their Chinese housemates cooking pork for a change in their premise?
Why the need to blow it out of proportion, Shouldn’t the people who shared the house be able to sort this out by themselves?
Unless of course the purpose of the thread is look for faults with Muslims?

Anti-illuminati
>>>>I was born a Buddhist, but my instinct of self existence made me read about all other religions. Frankly, i find all of them fascinating and truthful. Just like instead of seeing the normal light, now i sees all the colors that make up the usual light i saw
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Instinct n. the inborn tendency to behave in a particular way without the need for thought:
Isn’t it wonderful to be born with such an instinct?
By the way. that instinct of self existence of yours, what is it actually?
I get this drift that maybe what you actually meant was “instinct for self preservation” Like to reduce the odds, so to speak.

. Frankly, i find all of them fascinating and truthful

I cannot believe the above statement for the simple fact that they have different concept of Godhe*** and different concepts of Good, B*** and Sins.
I don’t know who you are trying to fool or its just your understanding is minimal.

As for the rest of your questions, I can only suggest that you read more and in details search on the webs the answers are all there.

Sampat

>>>I've grown up hearing about 'tolerance' and 'no compulsion' in Islam, but even as a child I've realized that its just lip service. I've read through the literal translations of the hadith and quran and 90% of it is nothing but references to how a person should be discrimnated, hated and dealt with based on his/her religion

Ok I accept your challenge.
Just give me those verses that you just mentioned, and I will answer you point for point Inshallah.
Next time don’t make statement without references, as you are less believable.
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 15, 2008 19:05:50
written by Kingstonian, August 14, 2008 | 18:52:25

e.g. when he was anticipating his arrest in the garden of Gethsemane, he instructed his disciples to sell everything and buy a sword. What for? To have a barbeque?

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No disciples of Jesus fought the Jew or Romans .Peter used his sword to defend Jesus by cutting off the ear of a Jewish temple official, but Jesus stopped him and asked him to put away his sword. Jesus even healed the temple officials ear after which he became a follower of Jesus.

There is no books in the Bible, asking the followers to fight others with swords. Compared to the many references in the Hadiths asking that the non believers are either to be killed or to pay jihza for remaining as non Muslims.

The fruit of Islam as seen in general from events around the world is one of intolerance, violence .

One latest example I can think of is when one sees the followers of Islam disrupting a discussion organised by the Bar Council of Malaysia in such an unruly manner . It was a good thing that the police were present otherwise things could have been worse.

Events like this shed a very bad light of Islam.
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written by Kingstonian, August 15, 2008 21:44:25
Dear Malaysiaputra,

I am afraid your Biblical knowledge is weak as reflected in your statement above! Are you not aware about the many books in the Bible with regard to fighting and God's instruction to kill?

Look at Numbers 31:15 where Moses instructs "....therefore, kill every male among the little ones and every women who has known a man by sleeping with him". In Deuteronomy 22:20-24, for those who engage in illicit sex "...you shall stone them to death with stones"

I have a very long list, Exodus, Leviticus and even the example above in the New Testament where Jesus tells them to get a sword. If you would like the list, I will be happy to share with you!

Yes, there are bad followers of Islam. Last year in Nigeria, Reverend King burnt six people because "he was instructed by the Lord Jesus". Should I just say he is crazy or say that Christianity is teaching him that?

Be fair and consistent with your use of Scripture and arguments/reasoning!
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 16, 2008 09:02:25
written by Kingstonian, August 15, 2008 | 21:44:25
Dear Malaysiaputra,

I am afraid your Biblical knowledge is weak as reflected in your statement above! Are you not aware about the many books in the Bible with regard to fighting and God's instruction to kill?
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I follow what Jesus teaches , what happened in Moses' time , was before the coming of Jesus. During Moses time, they slaughter an unblemished cattle or sheep for their burnt offering. We do not do that after Jesus comes.

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Look at Numbers 31:15 where Moses instructs "....therefore, kill every male among the little ones and every women who has known a man by sleeping with him". In Deuteronomy 22:20-24, for those who engage in illicit sex "...you shall stone them to death with stones"

I have a very long list, Exodus, Leviticus and even the example above in the New Testament where Jesus tells them to get a sword. If you would like the list, I will be happy to share with you!
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Please show me where in the New Testament, the disciples of Jesus took up arms to defend Him by killing the Jews who arrested Him and crucified Him.

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Yes, there are bad followers of Islam. Last year in Nigeria, Reverend King burnt six people because "he was instructed by the Lord Jesus". Should I just say he is crazy or say that Christianity is teaching him that?
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Cases like this is rare compared to that done by Muslims in the name of Allah. I see events that happens in totality , not isolated cases. But on the whole, Muslims tend to resort to voilence . I don't thing you have come across such article as no muslim inclined publications will ever publish such.
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Be fair and consistent with your use of Scripture and arguments/reasoning!

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When I follow Jesus , I follow what He teaches which is the good news. Muslims will always keep on refering to the Old Testament which in fact forms the Torah of the Jews.

By the way, I have no quarrel with you being a Muslim, its your prerogative .
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written by non conformist, August 16, 2008 10:18:00
written by Kingstonian, August 15, 2008 | 21:44:25
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I am afraid your Biblical knowledge is weak as reflected in your statement above! Are you not aware about the many books in the Bible with regard to fighting and God's instruction to kill?

Look at Numbers 31:15 where Moses instructs "....therefore, kill every male among the little ones and every women who has known a man by sleeping with him". In Deuteronomy 22:20-24, for those who engage in illicit sex "...you shall stone them to death with stones"

I have a very long list, Exodus, Leviticus and even the example above in the New Testament where Jesus tells them to get a sword. If you would like the list, I will be happy to share with you!

Yes, there are bad followers of Islam. Last year in Nigeria, Reverend King burnt six people because "he was instructed by the Lord Jesus". Should I just say he is crazy or say that Christianity is teaching him that?

Be fair and consistent with your use of Scripture and arguments/reasoning!
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Kingstonian,

This is a sharp distinction between the old covenant and the new covenant.
In the old covenant there is a an earthly theocratic nation called Israel... And being an earthly and political entity, it has its own laws, even those of self-preservation against the enemies that were intent on destroying it.

This earthly theocratic nation was an temporary arrangement in the purpose of God. This earthly theocratic nation has been completely destroyed in 70ad.

Jesus Christ came to set up the kingdom of heaven, and prophesied the destruction and cessation of that earthly theocratic nation.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

If you miss this BASIC and FUNDAMENTAL distinction between the old and the new covenant, you will NEVER rightly divide the word of truth.

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written by Kingstonian, August 16, 2008 11:59:35
Dear Malaysiaputra,

The case in Nigeria may be isolated but not in Northern Ireland. How about the Christian Militias in the US? The KKK (Ku Klux Klan) who use Christianity and the Bible for their justification? You want to dismiss them as a cult, I would say the same for the so-called muslim groups.

Back to your statement "There is no books in the Bible, asking the followers to fight others with swords", I am glad that you now acknowledge that there is plenty in the Bible.

However, you want to do a spin between the Old and New Testament (see below also on this issue) and dismiss God's revelation in the Old Testament. So you are selective with Scripture and take God's revelation to your convenience and interpretation.

Well, here you go from the New Testament:

Matt. 10:34 re***:

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword"

Luke 22:36 re***:

Jesus said to the disciples, "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag; and the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."

Luke 12:49-53 re***:

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo , and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division"

Matthew 21:12

"Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves."

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Dear non-conformist,

Thank you for your own views. Maybe you can start a new branch. However, let's listen to Jesus:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven" (Matthew 5:17)
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 16, 2008 21:48:28

written by Kingstonian, August 16, 2008 | 11:59:35
Dear Malaysiaputra,

The case in Nigeria may be isolated but not in Northern Ireland. How about the Christian Militias in the US? The KKK (Ku Klux Klan) who use Christianity and the Bible for their justification? You want to dismiss them as a cult, I would say the same for the so-called muslim groups.

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You have a point here, but I am not talking of these groups, I am talking of the normal people, for instance, in Pakistan, when a poor man was falsely accused of burning the Koran was set upon my a muslim mob urged on by the village mufti without proper investigation. There are more which I have read . In indonesia, where muslims pepetrated violence against peace loving Christians for no reasons other then hatred , stirred up by their muftis/leaders.

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Back to your statement "There is no books in the Bible, asking the followers to fight others with swords", I am glad that you now acknowledge that there is plenty in the Bible.

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Why are you putting words in my mouth ?.

What I said was :"Please show me where in the New Testament, the disciples of Jesus took up arms to defend Him by killing the Jews who arrested Him and crucified Him.

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However, you want to do a spin between the Old and New Testament (see below also on this issue) and dismiss God's revelation in the Old Testament. So you are selective with Scripture and take God's revelation to your convenience and interpretation.

Well, here you go from the New Testament:

Matt. 10:34 re***:

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword"

Luke 22:36 re***:

Jesus said to the disciples, "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag; and the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."

Luke 12:49-53 re***:

"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo , and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division"

Matthew 21:12

"Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves."

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You quote well but out of context. Where in these verses did Jesus ask his disciples to shed blood for his sake ?. Compare what you read in the NEW TESTAMENT with what is advocated in the Hadith.

Did Jesus get involved in any war like Prophet Muhammad did ?.

Jesus said he who loves me will do the will of My Father. What did God give to Moses on the Mount Sinal ?. The Ten Commandments which basically says love God and love they neighbour.

Amongst the 10 commandments is the command not to kill. "Thou shall not kill".

You are trying to justify voilence to Christianity by quoting from the OLD TESTAMENT . Remember, Christianity come into existance after the coming of Jesus and not before.
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written by Kingstonian, August 17, 2008 00:18:03
Dear Malaysiaputra,

Thank you for acknowledging the examples about the Christian groups. I am not here to defend Muslims who do wrong and neither am I saying asking you to defend the Christian groups above or Reverend King in Nigeria. A person who breaks the law is a criminal, period. You need to make a distinction between the religion and its followers because they are not synonimous. So I am not saying that Christianity is violent because of the examples above. Do not have double standards, that's my point.

Nonetheless, I have not put words in your mouth. Go up and take a look at what you said about there being no books in the Bible. If you want to qualify to a specific case, then don't make a general statement about no books in the Bible. Because the earlier context was that you were saying the Qur'an has all these things and I am showing you, so has the Bible!

Hence, I am telling before you talk about others, take a look at yourself and your own Scriptures. Double standards again. It is easy for you to give a lengthy explanation about New and Old Testament and even with Jesus' statements, simply say out of context when you are stuck!!!

In your own example above, contrary to your earlier statement about none of his disciples behaving this way, Peter took his sword and cut off the ear of a centurion. I could give you a very simple explanation and tell you why Jesus told him to put his sword away after telling them earlier to sell everything and buy a sword...they were outnumbered! If you take the context of Jesus' time, I could also say the reason why there were no major battles was because Jesus' ministry was short, just over 3 years and he was establishing himself in a time where they were under Roman control!

That could be the reason why his statements about the sword etc. were not fulfilled and I can give you historical references to these arguments I have put forward, not by Muslims but by Christians. But if you want to give your own interpretation of history, well fine. I am used to discussing with Christians taking selective positions at their convenience like you say that you follow Jesus and implying that you don't follow Moses when I gave you the example of Moses' instructions to kill above in a specific context.
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written by Kingstonian, August 17, 2008 00:20:24
Dear Malaysiaputra,

Moses was the prophet who brought the 10 commandments. We know about "Thou shall not kill". I fully accept. Do you know the Qur'an says that if you kill one person, it is as though you have killed the whole of mankind. Do you know that?

But what is the context where killing is allowed like the example above where Moses gives out such an instruction or where the Qur'an says it? The Qur'an talks about killing in the context of war and being oppressed. Unfortunately, when I give you my context, you will not accept. Again double standards. The Malays would say "Sedarlah diri!"

So unlike you, I don't have a problem with the Old Testament and neither does Jesus. He was born a Jew and circumsized and never ate pork, following the Old Testament. Like my quote to non-conformist and now I would like to apply it to you:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven"

It seems to me you are not following Jesus like you claim. Please re-examine your own faith and your claims that you follow what Jesus teaches. I know that Christianity came after Jesus. You are actually following what Paul taught and what was established at the Council of Nicea in 325 ad, 300 years after Jesus. But that is a different topic and I'll be happy to go into that if you want me to.

If one still doesn't want to see after showing reason, one still will not. As Jesus said, "seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand"
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 17, 2008 09:22:36
written by Kingstonian, August 17, 2008 | 00:18:03
So I am not saying that Christianity is violent because of the examples above. Do not have double standards, that's my point.

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It is not double standard like you say, on the whole, one can perceive that Muslims have a much greater tendency to violence, you can see violent protests by muslims in manay cases.

Many Muslims said Islam is a religion of peace, but how come so many muslims are acting in such violent ways ?. It must be from what they were taught.

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Nonetheless, I have not put words in your mouth. Go up and take a look at what you said about there being no books in the Bible. If you want to qualify to a specific case, then don't make a general statement about no books in the Bible. Because the earlier context was that you were saying the Qur'an has all these things and I am showing you, so has the Bible!
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What I am actually trying to say is that no books in the New Testament is advocating violence against non believers. I admit that I have not made that very clear in my statement.

In Christianity, the teachings of Jesus is central . Which means we follow what Jesus says. Jesus said , My Kingdom is not of this world , for Jesus is the Son of God.

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Hence, I am telling before you talk about others, take a look at yourself and your own Scriptures. Double standards again. It is easy for you to give a lengthy explanation about New and Old Testament and even with Jesus' statements, simply say out of context when you are stuck!!!

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That is your view. Not mine. My understanding of the Bible is different from yours. You have to justify Jesus as a prophet, but to me He is God, the second person in the God head.
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In your own example above, contrary to your earlier statement about none of his disciples behaving this way, Peter took his sword and cut off the ear of a centurion. I could give you a very simple explanation and tell you why Jesus told him to put his sword away after telling them earlier to sell everything and buy a sword...they were outnumbered! If you take the context of Jesus' time, I could also say the reason why there were no major battles was because Jesus' ministry was short, just over 3 years and he was establishing himself in a time where they were under Roman control!

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See, from the above , how you will justify what you believe. (I understand your stand and have no quarrel with that).

In Mark 14:61; ....Again the High Priest questioned him, "Are you the Messiah (Al Masih) the Son of the Blessed God?"

14:62 "I AM " answered Jesus "and you will all see the Son of Man seated at the right side of the Almighty and coming with the clouds of heaven!".

Tell me, is there any other prophets who dare to say the things like Jesus said ?.

Jesus only come for 3 short years for a specific purpose, He is to be final (Korban) to open heaven to man again after its door was shut due to the sin of adam and Eve in eating the forbidden fruit in disobedience to God.

That's why Jesus died on the Cross as the sacrificial lamb (anak domba Tuhan).
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That could be the reason why his statements about the sword etc. were not fulfilled and I can give you historical references to these arguments I have put forward, not by Muslims but by Christians. But if you want to give your own interpretation of history, well fine. I am used to discussing with Christians taking selective positions at their convenience like you say that you follow Jesus and implying that you don't follow Moses when I gave you the example of Moses' instructions to kill above in a specific context.
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Are you saying here that Muslims, who claim to be from the Abrahamic line too, is doing all the killings per the instructions of Moses ?. We do not follow for Jesus never does nor instruct such thing.

Jesus did not allowed the women brought to him accused of adultery to be stoned to death which is according to the laws of Moses'time. Jesus said to those who brought her,to be the first to stone her if they are without sin.John 8:4 - 7

Moses allows divorce, but Jesus did not approve of it, "let no man put asunder what God has put togather" Mark 10: 5 -12;

We both look out of the same window but we see different thing. We both know of Jesus but we see Him differently. You see Him as a prophet, I see Him as the Son of the Living God as stated by Peter . John 7:28 - 29;

What did Jesus say in John 6: 43 - 45 ? Jesus answered, "Sop frumbling among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him to me;and I will raise him to life on the last day."
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 17, 2008 09:25:30

That's why Jesus died on the Cross as the sacrificial lamb (anak domba Tuhan).
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Correction, "Anak domba Allah" the correct usage.
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written by Kingstonian, August 17, 2008 14:11:34
Dear Malaysiaputra,

I agree there is violence but maybe because your mind is prejudiced and also the Western media helps to shape it for you, so that is how you see it. There is so much violence in the so-called Christian world. The history of the Church is filled with violence but today the Church in the West has become irrelevant because their own followers don't believe in them anymore; people have become atheists. Even the Anglican bishops in the UK don't believe that Jesus is God (see below)
www.humanistwa.org.au/files/dennis_morris_7.doc

In Britain, Germany and South Africa, we see the violent Christian based neo-Nazis and in the US, we see violent Christian White Supremists and militias. The governments go to war in Iraq even without weapons of mass destruction but because it is a State doing it, you may see it differently. Likewise the Israeli govt is terrorizing the Palestinians. There are legitimate reasons for the people there to resist and their cause is just. George Washington was called a terrorist by the British when he wanted American Indepedence. So too Nelson Mandela, who was only recently removed from the FBI's terrorist list!

I think these Christian groups are reading the Bible differently from you and they, too, must be taught to behave this way. If you think differently, then that is your opinion and I leave it for you to resolve with them. It has nothing to do with how I see Jesus. Moses' intsructions for a just cause does not contradict the commandment "thou shall not kill" and may I also add that I don't believe some of the terrible stories and claims made in the Bible about Moses and other prophets because in the Qur'an, we are not taught these things about God's prophets.

Since you bring out the issue of the sacrificial lamb, with due respect, is it justice that god allows the killing of his own son for other peoples sins? Or for the original sin? Someone commits a terrible crime, what do I do, take an innocent guy and kill him for the other person? I would rather believe what the Bible says in Ezekiel "the son shall not bear the inequity of the father and nor shall the father bear the inequity of the son; for the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" This is also the Qur'anic position which is real justice.

You also glossed over my earlier quotation of Jesus "....unless your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees, you shall in no case enter the kingdom of heaven" So much for believing in the sacrificial lamb. Maybe you should consider following the laws and commandments and Jesus himself said in the same quotation, he didn't come to destroy the laws but to fulfill them.

With regard to the woman who commit adultery, he did not say don't stone them. Because the people who brought this case where hypocrites, he challenged them to stone her if they are without sin!
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written by Kingstonian, August 17, 2008 14:15:13
Dear Malaysiaputra,

I have not touched on the divinity but since you bring it out:

- in Matthew 19:17, Jesus responded to one who addressed him as “O good master”, saying: “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.”

- if everybody is equal in the Trinity formula, then in John 14:28, Jesus said: “The Father is greater than I.”

- God is all-knowing but not Jesus like I showed in my earlier quotation of Mark 13:31-32, where Jesus denied having knowledge of when the final hour of this world would be, saying: “Heaven and the earth shall pass away but my word shall not pass away, but of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in the heaven nor the Son but the Father.”

- God is all powerful but not Jesus who got it from God as in John 5:30 " I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."

- On the Gospel, in John 7:16 "Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me." Also John 14:24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." and John 12:49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak."

As for the Jews who were always trying to take issue with him (like bringing the case of the woman committing adultery), when the Jews accused him of claiming divinity, in John 10:34 “Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your law, “I said, Ye are gods?” He clarified for them, with a scriptural example well known to them (Psalms 82:6 “I have said, ‘Ye are gods: and all of you are the children of the Most High.’”), that he was using the metaphorical language of the prophets which should not be interpreted as ascribing divinity to himself or to other human beings.

As one scholar put it, God has got sons by the tons:

- God called Israel (Prophet Jacob) His “son” when He instructed Prophet Moses to go to Pharaoh in Exodus 4:22-23, “And you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Israel is my first-born son, and I say to you, ‘Let my son go that he may serve me.’ ”

- In 2nd Samuel 8:13-14, God calls Prophet Solomon His son, “He [Solomon] shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son.”

- God promised to make Prophet David His son in Psalms 89:26-27: “He shall cry unto me, ‘Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation,’ Also I will make him my first-born, higher than the kings of the earth.”

- in the New Testament, there are many references to “sons of God” other than Jesus. For example, when the author of the Gospel according to Luke listed Jesus’ ancestors back to adam, he wrote: “The son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of adam, the son of God.”

- in the four Gospels, Jesus is recorded as saying: “Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”

Some claim that what is unique in the case of Jesus, is that he is the only begotten Son of God, while the others are merely “sons of God”. However, God is recorded as saying to Prophet David, in Psalms 2:7, “I will tell the decree of the Lord: He said to me, ‘You are my son, today I have begotten you.’

Moreover, there is also a logical contradiction to his divinity. How is it that you are man and God at the same time? Mortal and immortal i.e. able to die and not able to die at the same time? Having needs like food and not having needs? Being all powerful and not all powerful at the same time? Ok you can say it is a matter of faith and I can accept. Even then, if it is a question of faith, the Scriptures should be clear but look at all the stuff in the scripture above.

So you see, that is why not only I see Jesus as a prophet but also your Bishops. The Jehovah's Witness don't believe in his divinity but if you dismiss them as a cult, there is also the Unitarians who don't believe in it either. Therefore, perhaps you should take up your views with them too.
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 17, 2008 15:33:56
Kingstonian, what ever it is , a simple guy like me believed that Jesus is God and the wonderful thing is that under His teachings, I am free to choose whether to believe in Him or not and should I choose to leave , no one will threaten to harm me.

I am no religious scholar and I just believe in my simple faith that Jesus is the Son of God , the second person in the Trinity.

By the way are you from Malaysia ?.
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written by Kingstonian, August 17, 2008 18:51:09
Dear Malaysiaputra,

Yes, rightly or wrongly, you can believe whatever you want to (as Jesus said, "Seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand"). God has placed man above all his creatures in that we have intellect. In our search for the truth, we must use our intellect along with our faith but do not be too proud or stubborn even when we see that something doesn't make sense. We must always be humble before God and ask for His guidance. God-willing He will guide us and our prayers will be answered (I am reminding all of us including myself).

In Matthew 7:22,23, Jesus said, "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" Be careful about doing things in his name.

And yes, I am from Malaysia but lived in England for 10 years. As I will be traveling this week, I may have limited e-mail access but will do my best to reply any further issues.

All the best to you.
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written by Malaysiaputra, August 17, 2008 20:42:38
Kingstonian, all the best to you too.

We both seek God in our own way, to the best of our knowledge . It is like taking different mode of transport to the same destination. It is only when we die that we will really know. adios.

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written by emg385, August 19, 2008 09:47:58
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Dear Readers,
Here is some info about the infamous History teacher from SM Teluk Panglima Garang who tried to educate her Indian students by calling them "Keling pariah, Negroes & Black Monkeys " and she also insulted the whole Indian community.

The History teacher’s name is Cik Rusitah Bt Abu Hassan, B.Ed ,UKM(Hons), Guru DG 44.Her mug shots can be seen using the link below.She has been transferred from SM Teluk Panglima Garang to another school Anyone who knows her new school, please alert the parents of the students to beware of this racist pig-faced teacher!!! Racist teachers must receive their just desserts!!

http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:wXAIm5M2gHMJ:groups.yahoo.com/group/Indian-Malaysian/message/26465 cik rusitah&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=my

http://www.indianmalaysian.com/sound/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1532


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written by aspiring blogger, August 24, 2008 10:36:40
I really take my hat off to you. Are you the only Muslim that can see things for what they are? If only they would take a step back and look at things in proper perspective. If only Muslims were not so preoccupied, obsessed even, with their religion and race and put more emphasis or importance of being good people. Perhaps I shouldn't generalise here, as I also know there are Muslims who are good people. but from past events, it seems that Muslims especially and Malays (in general), can become very emotional and easily incited by talk of race and religion. Isn't it long overdue that in Malaysia, we should no longer use these issues of race and religion as political platforms? We only have 3 main races/religions 5 or 6 other minorities. I have seen other countries which are even more multi-ethnic than us. People there come from all over the world, a mix of Europeans and Asians, but they no longer see the immigrants as foreigners. Everybody gets treated equally by law. Discrimination is AGAINST the law. Sure there are prejudices, but that exists everywhere, only a matter of extent. At least in general, society there frowns upon such discriminations and the law protects the monirities from blatant acts of discrimination. In that country, barring the weather, there is nothing there that we here in Malaysia cannot have. Our country is so rich in natural resources, that managed properly, honestly, justly, our land would be the best place to live on earth and our standard of living could be among the highest in the world.
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written by aspiring blogger, August 24, 2008 10:41:08
written by Tom n Jerry, August 08, 2008 | 14:21:34

hello DSAI!You are on track to Putrajaya;congratulations1!please dont forget to detain Badawi &Najib under ISA the moment you take oath of office;they heve plundered ,murdered and took malaysians for a ride;now is the time to show them the karma of their past action!


Tom n Jerry,

You have forgotten important name here, that of the devil who started all these in the first place.Of course there are the other small toyols who shared in the plundering of our nation.
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written by said, August 09, 2008 | 11:18:52

RPK, history will be kind to you and others who are so blatantly brave and honest in exposing the Malaysian ills. Generations to come will remember you well in written and oral history.
It has been many years since I went into a mosque to pray because I know of so many muslims who were and are horrible hypocrites.


Dear Said,

I am a non-Muslim. In my childhood days, all my best friends were Malays. Now that I am old, I have lost touch with all but a few of them. Along the way, i have met very few whom I dared call my friend. At this moment, I can only think of one good Malay whom I met some years ago who I can say I really respect. i think his behaviour often times put me to shame. From what you write, i think you could be another whom I can respect, and if you like, I would like to get to know you.

Thank you.
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